NationStates Jolt Archive

Discuss... I'm against it. International standards, treaties, full abolishment of physical punishments, and it hasn't proven to be conclusive enough to be considered a deterrant against crime. So it serves nothing.

Last time I checked, The law isnt alway right, they sometimes do get the wrong guy...

First off, the death penalty does no more to deter pre-meditated murder than life in prison without possibilty of parole. Secondly, it's not the state's position to punish people, only to deter crime. Thirdly, a fair number of innocents are executed, or luckily freed from death row.

The death penalty has nothing going for it and everything going against it.

First off, the death penalty does no more to deter pre-meditated murder than life in prison without possibilty of parole. Secondly, it's not the state's position to punish people, only to deter crime. Thirdly, a fair number of innocents are executed, or luckily freed from death row.

The death penalty has nothing going for it and everything going against it.
Not to mention that I've heard the electric bill for the electric chair costs more than keeping a prisoner for a life sentence.

Watch "The Green Mile"

Eye opener

:mp5: Harder punishments, lesser crimes. :headbang:

:mp5: Harder punishments, lesser crimes. :headbang:
So you think the thought of death versus a lifetime getting assraped in jail will cause any would-be murderer to change his mind?

:mp5: Harder punishments, lesser crimes. :headbang:
maybe, but the problem is the reality don't think like you.
in rehibilition, yhe countrey can earn good citizen who pay taxes, and that will help her more than kill home.

Watch "The Green Mile"

Eye opener


He's right

In theory the death penalty works. Harsher punishments for the more severe crimes. But has the death penalty served as a deterrent against crimes?? Unfortunatley not. We still have a significant amount of murder, rape, and child molestation, etc.

eye for an eye i say

:mp5: Harder punishments, lesser crimes. :headbang:
So if you ever misspell anything or use incorrect grammar, I will cut your arms off at the elbow with a rusty butcher knife. That oughta do it

*smacks head in disbelief*

eye for an eye i say
Are you Jewish?

Are you Jewish?

Are you impying it should instead have read 'an oy for an oy', then?

Oh, sometimes I can't even believe how awful my jokes can get...where'd that come from?

Are you Jewish?
even if he is, it isn't smart to quote from the bible if you consider the fact that in his time, if you caught make a crime the easier punichment was death by throwing rocks on you, and then throw you from high mountain.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engAMR510691998

Many reasons here why the death penalty sucks big time.

The death penalty is just another term for "state condoned murder"
it has no place in any society that wants to consider itself civilized.
However, parking violators and news anchors should be shot on sight.

Eh. I'm Republican and I'm against the death penalty. I've had many arguments with friends who support it. In the end, to me, it comes down to two wrongs not making a right.

Under certain situations the death penalty should be used. Since there's no real advantage to not having it, as the main problem (cost) is not a problem with the death penalty itself but instead of the judicial system, most of the problems can be remedied with tinkering with it.

Kwangistar wrote ;

Under certain situations the death penalty should be used. Since there's no real advantage to not having it, as the main problem (cost) is not a problem with the death penalty itself but instead of the judicial system, most of the problems can be remedied with tinkering with it.

The advantage to not having the death penalty is that many innocent people will live instead of getting fried.
The cost of the death penalty far outweighs the cost of keeping a criminal behind bars, some lawyers make a huge amount by keeping the appeal courts busy with appeal after appeal after appeal.

You cannot "tinker" with death in any form, the judicial system may be flawed but it is only working under legislative guidlines! get the state to stop killing people and update the judicial system then maybe the courts will be more efficient.

The advantage to not having the death penalty is that many innocent people will live instead of getting fried.
The cost of the death penalty far outweighs the cost of keeping a criminal behind bars, some lawyers make a huge amount by keeping the appeal courts busy with appeal after appeal after appeal.
This can be remedied by changing when the death penalty is applied, if it is applied less often but to more "slam-dunk" cases, both the cost would go down and there would be no innocent people killed. For example, Osama, the beltway snipers, Son of Sam, or Tim McVeigh.

You cannot "tinker" with death in any form, the judicial system may be flawed but it is only working under legislative guidlines! get the state to stop killing people and update the judicial system then maybe the courts will be more efficient
Have the legislature change the guidelines. Its not like they're set in stone.

I am against it now. I used to be an ardent supporter of hanging everyone and anyone that did wrong to another person. Shit that would mean every person on this planet would be hung. So I had to gather some logic before coming to a true intelligent response. I am against it because I know with a reasonable doubt that we can not say that every person that we put to death in our current or past system was a guilty person. So it is true. That hanging one innocent person is not worth hanging every single horrible manson like person on this planet. No amount of anything in this world is worth destroying a loving person that would do no harm to another. Never

Eh. I'm Republican and I'm against the death penalty. I've had many arguments with friends who support it. In the end, to me, it comes down to two wrongs not making a right.

I too am Republican, and like you, I do not support the death penalty. I don't think anybody deserves to die...life is a beautiful thing.

Here's my two cents: There are laws in place. Some places have a death penalty, some don't. If you commit a capital offense, you realize that a crime of that magnitude may result in your (a) getting caught, and (b) being found guilty, and (c) facing executition. You have the choice to not do the crime. The law wasn't written while you were awaiting trial. It is a gamble. People should learn to control themselves. And the arguement that sometimes innocent people get executed is flimsy. That's why there is an appeals process (at least here in America). You have rights. Right to competent legal counsel, rights against self-incrimination, rights to a trial by a jury of your peers, etc. Basically, don't do crimes and you won't get punished. I personally feel no sorrow for a person on death row. I feel sorry for their victims, the victims' families, and the families of those who've chosen to commit the crime.

i'm for the death penalty

No, the state cannot be given the right to kill its citizens for whatever reason.

*Unless in situations where others lives are at stake...for example a hostage situation. then, it's sadly necessary. But it should be a last resort.

eye for an eye i say

Just to clarify, this quote is taken out of context. In the Bible it was a statement of limitation from God to prevent a war from escalating. So an eye for an eye, rather than two eyes for an eye. In any case, the New Testament, which for Christians is the overriding book, contains Jesus' teachings on he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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That is true in the bible. An eye for an eye was the actual eye for an eye and a actual tooth for a tooth. It was meant to not damnation the entire flesh of that individual to hell. So it wasn't to kill the person but to just reap what you sow. Which is a false context that causes two wrongs and trying to make a right out of it. The bible there was speaking mans werd over Gods word. It just continues a cycle of unjust violence. To think that it is just getting even, is about as dumb as the wild west days when someone killed your loved one you would kill one of their loved ones. The stronger one will forgive and forget and let bygones be bygones. I know God wants us to take the harder path when it is the righteous path.

Astriastar wrote ;

Here's my two cents: There are laws in place. Some places have a death penalty, some don't. If you commit a capital offense, you realize that a crime of that magnitude may result in your (a) getting caught, and (b) being found guilty, and (c) facing executition. You have the choice to not do the crime. The law wasn't written while you were awaiting trial. It is a gamble. People should learn to control themselves. And the arguement that sometimes innocent people get executed is flimsy. That's why there is an appeals process (at least here in America). You have rights. Right to competent legal counsel, rights against self-incrimination, rights to a trial by a jury of your peers, etc. Basically, don't do crimes and you won't get punished. I personally feel no sorrow for a person on death row. I feel sorry for their victims, the victims' families, and the families of those who've chosen to commit the crime.

Murderers would murder regardless of the penalties, I don't imagine a person intent on commiting a murder is thinking about anything except killing his victim, (I am talking about cold blooded murder as opposed to the murder of someone during an unexpected fight, or a man murdering his wife after a domestic dispute, these murders are rarely calculated and just happen because of an explosive situation).
How is the argument that innocent people have been murdered by the state flimsy? it's anything but flimsy, it's happened, it's a fact! and just one innocent person getting killed by execution is one person too many, It's just not worth the risk.
There is no one here saying they feel sorry for criminals on death row, what they are saying is that killing is wrong and to kill someone under the umbrella of law and legislation is just as wrong as murder.
Murderers need punishment, the death penalty is neither punishment or just.