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The drone, known as the Mheger 4 in Iran, was renamed by Hezbollah Mirsad 1 (meaning "ambush" or "espionage"). Hezbollah announced it has several other similar drones, but senior officials interviewed by Arabic media declined to comment on the drone's technical specifications "so as not to alleviate Israel's embarrassment."

According to the Iranian source, the drone is outfitted with three cameras, digital radar, and a transmitter. With an engine capacity of close to 10 horsepower, the drone can fly at an altitude of 6,000 feet and reach a maximum speed of 120 kilometers per hour. Iran is now developing a more advanced model, the Mheger 6, that will be able to fly at an altitude of 10,000 feet and reach 160 kilometers per hour. Iran has developed four types of drones so far.
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He also reported that Iran had flown similar drones over Iraq to monitor American military activity there.

The Hezbollah drone that entered Israel on Sunday flew at low altitude over Nahariya, then turned seaward.

The US should invade Iran without delay.

All's fair in love and war- no exceptions whoever you!

Sounds interesting. I didn't know Iran was so advanced. Where can I find more information on this?

Omg, we're doomed. Iranian technology has developed so much that they can now LOOK at us. Whatever will we do? :D

I dont recommend another dubious war for the US...

- would further damage whats left of US international reputation
- they would have to go it alone, even the UK will not get involved
- they cant afford another long and expensive conflict
- attacking Iran would anger China, who obtain alot of their oil from the Irainians
- It would further increase the threat of terrorism

Sounds interesting. I didn't know Iran was so advanced. Where can I find more information on this?
In english? hmm try Israel Newspapers...or WebSites

Sounds interesting. I didn't know Iran was so advanced. Where can I find more information on this?
Here is the original link.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/500063.html

Meh, America has drones, we (Canada) have drones, lots of other countries have drones. Not that big of a deal...although, in regards to the comment about being able to look at the US troops, keep in mind that at first its cameras, then its cannons.

Can't say I blame Iran, after all America have been threatening them. It's just a good thing the Americans didn't shoot it down, we all know what happened when the Americans sank that Japanise sub that was spying on Pearl Harbour.

Can't say I blame Iran, after all America have been threatening them. It's just a good thing the Americans didn't shoot it down...If they could have downed it...they would have...

Meh, America has drones, we (Canada) have drones, lots of other countries have drones. Not that big of a deal...although, in regards to the comment about being able to look at the US troops, keep in mind that at first its cameras, then its cannons.To be honest I do not take Iran Ligthly...

Yet...I was surprised to learn they have developed operational Battle-tested Drones...

Can't say I blame Iran, after all America have been threatening them. It's just a good thing the Americans didn't shoot it down, we all know what happened when the Americans sank that Japanise sub that was spying on Pearl Harbour.

Yeah, the Japanese got nuked...

- attacking Iran would anger China, who obtain alot of their oil from the Irainians

True, the Chinese will condemn the US, but it wouldn't do anything to stop it.

True, the Chinese will condemn the US, but it wouldn't do anything to stop it.

Other than help Iran help itself by aiding them in developing nukes.

Iran really should develop nukes. It has a legitimate reason to.

Other than help Iran help itself by aiding them in developing nukes.

Iran really should develop nukes. It has a legitimate reason to.

Would Iran start developing nukes? That will only make them lose support in the UN and give the US reason to invade them.

Iran's regime has enough problems keeping the country stable to worry about nukes, their could be a revolt at any time.

And China wouldn't help Iran. The PRoC's economy is based on American and European corporations setting up factories there, China wouldn't risk angering the US, not now anyway...

the Chinese will condemn the US, but it wouldn't do anything to stop it.Depends....Chinas Reaction...Russias reaction....France reaction....EU reaction....They could try to help Iran if they see them as victims...

Thats what worked against Germany in WWI and WWII...Most of the world perceived them as the mean Agressors...

Would Iran start developing nukes? That will only make them lose support in the UN and give the US reason to invade them.
...Just like it hapenned to India and Pakistan :rolleyes:

Just like it hapenned to India and Pakistan :rolleyes:

LoL hardly a good comparison. We don't have to worry about India and Pakistan using nukes on us after all.

Depends....Chinas Reaction...Russias reaction....France reaction....EU reaction....They could try to help Iran if they see them as victims...

Thats what worked against Germany in WWI and WWII...Most of the world perceived them as the mean Agressors...

Wait, didn't Russia, Germany, France, and the EU all see Iraq as victims? :D

Besides, do you really think that China, Russia, France, and the EU will send their soldiers to die for Arabs in the Middle East? Of course not.

Would Iran start developing nukes? That will only make them lose support in the UN and give the US reason to invade them.

Iran's regime has enough problems keeping the country stable to worry about nukes, their could be a revolt at any time.

And China wouldn't help Iran. The PRoC's economy is based on American and European corporations setting up factories there, China wouldn't risk angering the US, not now anyway...

If Iran were to get nukes, it wouldn't need fickle international opinion anymore (it most certainly didn't help Iraq) - the US has threatened Iran, and Iran would do best to protect itself. Iraq was a very clear lesson: get nukes to fend them off before they lie and claim you have nukes so they may invade you.

The threat of revolution can easily be dispersed if all that opinion is directed at a foreign enemy.

China knows that its market is way too large to be ignored by Western companies - it's one of the few countries in the world who needn't worry about angering the US, because they'll always have someone else in line to sell them their goods. As it seems now, the West is doing all it can not to anger China - just look at the situation with Taiwan, human rights and so on.

We don't have to worry about India and Pakistan using nukes on us ...Why not?

and what about North Korea? China? Russia? How can you asume they will never use a nuke on us?

Why not?

and what about North Korea? China? Russia? France?

Because their arms race is closed with in each other, neither has any argument with countries other than each other. Both were still condemned for developing them though. The sanctions then imposed on pakistan were removed when they joined the 'war on terror'.

China and Russia need the West to invest and or sell goods to. Neither have anything to gain from attacking the West.

North Korea are a danger though...

China and Russia need the West to invest and or sell goods to. Neither have anything to gain from attacking the West....Iran needs the "west" to Oil prices high $$$...

Interesting... some people still calling it the "West"....even me I guess :D

...neither has any argument with countries other than each other...Crapola

Why not?

and what about North Korea? China? Russia? How can you asume they will never use a nuke on us?

Hmmm...let's see, maybe the reason North Korea, China, and Russia haven't hit us with nukes yet is because they don't want their nations vaporized?

Did you ever think of that?

Oh and to answer your question OceanDrive, Pakistan and India are to busy sucking up to the US to want to nuke them.

In case you haven't noticed, Pakistan and India have a deep hatred between them and both want the US to support their side.

So don't you think nuking America might just get their country erased?

Hmmm...let's see, maybe the reason North Korea, China, and Russia haven't hit us with nukes yet is because they don't want their nations vaporized?

Did you ever think of that?The same reasoning aplies to Iran, Brazil, India, Pakistan, Israel, UK, and France...

So don't you think nuking America might just get their country erased?

So don't you think nuking those countries would get the US erased?

That's the whole point. You get nukes to deter the enemy. And the US may become the enemy at any point, especially to a muslim country such as Pakistan.

For gods sake dont start the 'we have more nukes than you' all major powers are quite capable of destroying the world at least once, thats all that counts.

India and Pakistan lack the ability to project a nuke over a long distance, they dont have ICBM's as they built their nukes with each other in mind, nobody else.

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So don't you think nuking America might just get their country erased?You are repeating yourself....Different wording..Same old song...

so Iguess i must repeat...

again: The same reasoning aplies to Iran, Brazil, India, Pakistan, Israel, UK, and France...

You are repeating yourself...so Iguess i must repeat:

The same reasoning aplies to Iran, Brazil, India, Pakistan, Israel, UK, and France...

IF the US launched a strike on the UK, France, Russia or China that nation would automatically launch a retaliatory strike, thus both countries are wiped out. Its known as Muturally Assured Destruction (MAD) and has been around since the Cold War, both sides know they will be destroyed so they dont bother.

India and Pakistan lack the ability to project a nuke over a long distance, they dont have ICBM's as they built their nukes with each other in mind, nobody else.

That is a rectifiable situation, especially an easily rectifiable one for India if the need were to arise.

You are repeating yourself....Different wording..Same old song...

so Iguess i must repeat...

again: The same reasoning aplies to Iran, Brazil, India, Pakistan, Israel, UK, and France...


You just won't quit at it will you? Brazil, Israel, Pakistan, India, and the UK aren't stupid like North Korea and Iran are. They won't fire nukes at the US because they know what will happen.

Iran is ran by an extremist government that doesn't have a grasp of what will happen if they get nuclear weapons. They believe that when the West tells them not to build nukes that we are trying to stop them from reforming the Great Muslim Empire that they think they are. When in truth we are really trying to stop the violence over there...

...When in truth we are really trying to stop the violence over there...:gundge:

spare me all that Crap...

You just won't quit at it will you? Brazil, Israel, Pakistan, India, and the UK aren't stupid like North Korea and Iran are. They won't fire nukes at the US because they know what will happen.

Iran is ran by an extremist government that doesn't have a grasp of what will happen if they get nuclear weapons. They believe that when the West tells them not to build nukes that we are trying to stop them from reforming the Great Muslim Empire that they think they are. When in truth we are really trying to stop the violence over there...

The stupid thing would be to believe that tripe.

BTW how many nukes does the UK have?

More than enough to destroy the world a few times over. Theres been enough of this 'but we have more nukes than you' crap on here recently. What does it matter? Theres only one world to destroy. NO nation could launch a nuclear strike without having the shit blown out of them. Simple as that.

... we have more nukes that you' crap on here recently.

Holy Shi'it...that IS a lot of Nukes :D

Enough of this nonsense, it seems no thread on here can last 2 pages without someone going on about Americas capacity to rain death on us all. You preach to the world about not developing WMD's yet you are actively developing new kinds and are the ONLY nation to ever use WMD's in anger.

Another one for locking I think.

You just won't quit at it will you?..Get real...Your point is that Only Washington can decide wich Countries may or may not have Nukes ??

If there was even the slightest hint Iran was using its Nuclear reactors for something else other than energy, the Israeli airforce would take them out just like they did to Saddam's reactors.

About the nukes that the US has. That's a different story. We are the only country that has stealth fighters or so I assume. So why not have stealth nukes? This was even discussed in the videogame Metal Gear Solid. Now would be the ultimate "All your base belong to us" type statement.

I wouldn't worry so much about some unarmed drone. Now if it was armed though....

OMFG a country has drones! Let's all wet our pants! :rolleyes:

Pfft, get a sense of proportion guys. :p

If there was even the slightest hint Iran was using its Nuclear reactors for something else other than energy.......And what about Nort Korean reactors, and what About Brazil reactors?

If there was even the slightest hint Iran was using its Nuclear reactors for something else other than energy, the Israeli airforce would take them out just like they did to Saddam's reactors.

About the nukes that the US has. That's a different story. We are the only country that has stealth fighters or so I assume. So why not have stealth nukes? This was even discussed in the videogame Metal Gear Solid. Now would be the ultimate "All your base belong to us" type statement.

I wouldn't worry so much about some unarmed drone. Now if it was armed though....

Development of such a technology would upset the power balance.
But building a stealth missile isnt possible and besides with the right kind of radar stealth planes are easily detected and in the case of the B-2 and F-117 easily shot down.

...building a stealth missile isnt possible.....And what about StarWars Nuclear Shield?....It would kill the MAD Balance...preemting Nukes would become tempting for some Pentagon Generals.

...happy Halloween.

If there was even the slightest hint Iran was using its Nuclear reactors for something else other than energy, the Israeli airforce would take them out just like they did to Saddam's reactors....Iran is not Iraq.
They would strike back...

And what about StarWars Nuclear Shield?....It would kill the MAD Balance...preemting Nukes would become tempting for some Pentagon Generals.

...happy Halloween.
The nuclear shield wouldn't kill MAD balance. Any country with enough missiles to do engage in MAD would probably be able to overload the system. The shield is designed to stop countries such as Iran or North Korea, who only have a limited amount of missiles, from being able to hit the United States. MAD would still be there, though, as a country like North Korea with only a few nuclear weapons can't send the world into nuclear winter.

Any country with enough missiles to do engage in MAD would probably be able to overload the system. The shield is designed to stop countries such as Iran or North Korea, who only have a limited amount of missiles, from being able to hit the United States.Interesante...then again...I wonder Why,the Russians are staunch critics of the StarWars project :confused:

Whats MAD? Aside from an extremely dumb magazine.

Disclaimer: I'm not anti-American. Just anti-the-current-american-government.

And why shouldn't the Iranians develop their war technologies? They'll need a defence, because they seem an ideal candidate for the next US campaign. Oil, WMD, Islam... :rolleyes:

It seems amusing to me that a country such as the USA whose dominance is based on conventional weapons, yet also retains the largest stockpile of "weapons of mass destruction" or atomic, bacteriological and chemical weapons, seems to think that it therefore has a right to prevent other countries from developing similar technologies.

The American cultural hegemony is now so entrenched that fundamentalist "Americans" (as it seems to me to be a way of life approaching a religion) see any culture that differs from theirs as opposition or "anti-american".

It is a return to McCarthyism, and the neo-conservative lobby scares the living daylights out of me.

p.s. Isn't it funny that they call themselves Americans, when they clearly do not represent the entirety of North and South America? :D

Whats MAD? Aside from an extremely dumb magazine.
Mutually Assured Destruction.

So if we nuke you, you'll know before it hits you and you'll nuke us - and everyone will die, which is why its implied neither of us will ever use nuclear weapons.

And why shouldn't the Iranians develop their war technologies? They'll need a defence....Because they are evil [/sarcasm]

Can't say I blame Iran, after all America have been threatening them. It's just a good thing the Americans didn't shoot it down, we all know what happened when the Americans sank that Japanise sub that was spying on Pearl Harbour.
They attacked us, and then we proceeded to rip them into little tiny tiny pieces. :mp5:

Because they are evil [/sarcasm]
The mullahcracy is. The Iranians, formerly known as the Persians, are beginning to revolt. And any country that would stone to death a 13 year old girl for being raped and impregnated by her brother definitely goes in the evil category for me, but obviously not for you. :upyours:

If i put a digital camera in a toy radio controled airplane, no one will call me a terrorist, right?

Whats MAD? Aside from an extremely dumb magazine.

MAD is the principle of Mutally Assured Destruction. In the cold war, it was the strategic equivalent of a Mexican stand-off with nuclear weapons launched from various platforms that lasted 60 years.

One hell of a long Mexican stand-off.

As someone's pointed out: wow, big deal. I can't believe that they're so advanced. This sounds to me not too dissimilar to the Yak-061 "Shmel" UAV - which is about 20 years old - though sadly I can't find a spec to tell me what (if any) radars the Shmel carries. It's really not that amazing a development, is what I'm saying.

The mullahcracy is. The Iranians, formerly known as the Persians, are beginning to revolt. And any country that would stone to death a 13 year old girl for being raped and impregnated by her brother definitely goes in the evil category for me, but obviously not for you. :upyours:

How can you condemn them as "evil"? I don't think anyone can handle the responsibility that making moral judgements of that magnitude implies.

...definitely goes in the evil category for me, but obviously not for you. obviously not.

How can you condemn them as "evil"? I don't think anyone can handle the responsibility that making moral judgements of that magnitude implies.
There are many differing degrees inherent in the word evil, and in fact there is very little clear cut about the subject. The question is how can you NOT condemn a government that fully supports decisions like that as not evil? Explain it to me please. I suppose you could say that was how they were raised, but that would only work at the argument if there was no other way of life to be held up as an example.

Sounds interesting. I didn't know Iran was so advanced. Where can I find more information on this?

Here (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/weapons.htm)

Iran's UAV program was launched in the wake of the 1980-88 war with Iraq. Iran also has been investing in several families of attack and multirole UAV. Over the years, Iranian officials have reported the deployment of target drones and such UAVs as the Mohajer-3 [also called Hodhod—"a hooded bird") and the -4 UAVs [Mohadjer 2, 3, and 4]. An Unmanned Aerial Vehicle called the Mohajer 4 underwent a test flight on 16 February 2002. The Saeqeh UAV was tested at the same time. Minister of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics Ali Shamkhani said that Iran is one of the few countries to have the knowledge for designing and building UAVs, state radio reported.

Iran has been attempting to develop a UAV industry, and some of its UAVs were used operationally in 1997 to shadow US Navy operations in the gulf. Iran has developed the tactical Ababil-5, a medium-range reconnaissance and surveillance UAV, the Ababil-T, a short/medium-range attack UAV, and the Ababil-B and -S. Iran recently announced the production of two new variants of its indigenously developed Ababil UAV, one of which, dubbed Ababil-S, was designed specifically for ISR operations.

Not really anything new, as you can see.

The question is how can you NOT condemn a government that fully supports decisions like that as not evil? ... if there was no other way of life to be held up as an example.

1) I do not have the right to make a value judgement on any action taken by another being.

2) Are you so convinced of its value, that your way of life (or any other) should be an example to everyone in this world?