NationStates Jolt Archive

You are selfish. Every major issue besides the War on Terror has been twisted around to be about conservatives.

1. Abortion ceased being about a mother's choice, and started being about conservative views on when life begins.
2. Gay Marriage ceased being about allowing everyone the same civil rights, and became an issue of protecting marriage (and I don't have a clue out that is a justification)
3. Our economy became less about being wise with our money and investing it with our future economy in mind, and became about Kerry wanting to raise your taxes (to fund a war you support, mind you).
4. The war became less and less about freeing the Iraqi people from a tyrant, and became more about imposing a different, western style government. (key word: imposing)
5. Healthcare became less about making sure that everyone is covered to a degree, and more about you not having to pay more taxes.

You attacked the democratic candidate for his short stint in Vietnam, while relentlessly defending Bush's short stint in the Texas Air National Guard. You turn gay marriage into the hottest issue this year, and when Kerry and Edwards praise the Chaeneys for openly supporting their lesbian daughter you attack them for bringing up homosexuality. You won based on the simple fact that the majority will look out for themselves before even casting a glance to the minority. Have fun with the republican party you have created as it won't last. Just ask Lyndon Johnson and the 60's democratic party how fickle self-serving political bases can be.

That and the bible thumpers turning out to vote.

Otherwise:

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I failed to mention why I didn't list the war on terror. How much do you even know about our anti-terrorism forces. Bush won't even release reports about what went wrong 9/11, let alone how things are going now. In fact if you ask most outside sources within inside connections, Luger, Clarke, they will tell you that the war on terror isn't going well.

You won based on the simple fact that the majority will look out for themselves before even casting a glance to the minority.

So our nation's policies should serve the minority instead of the majority?

So our nation's policies should serve the minority instead of the majority?Of course! The democrats are the nation's intellectual elite, you know! They told me so! They deserve to be in charge! :D

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Whatever. Just chill. At least Kerry didn't become President. He'd just make democrats and "liberals" look bad.

That and the bible thumpers turning out to vote.

Otherwise:

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This isn't true, otherwise Bush would have carried Oregon. Oregon passed the anti-gay marriage amendment by a fairly wide margen, (although thankfully the lowest in the country) but Kerry won Oregon.

Republicans won because more people voted republican... it really is as simple as that.

Of course! The democrats are the nation's intellectual elite, you know! They told me so! They deserve to be in charge! :D

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They might be the intellectually elite, but their candidate certainly wasn't the best display of that.

Ahh, the liberal hissy fit.

They might be the intellectually elite, but their candidate certainly wasn't the best display of that.

While we are talking about the intellectually elite here, where's a good Bushism when I need one...

This isn't true, otherwise Bush would have carried Oregon. Oregon passed the anti-gay marriage amendment by a fairly wide margen, (although thankfully the lowest in the country) but Kerry won Oregon.

Republicans won because more people voted republican... it really is as simple as that.


The Gay Marriage referendum was raised in Michigan as well and Michigan went to Kerry.

I failed to mention why I didn't list the war on terror. How much do you even know about our anti-terrorism forces. Bush won't even release reports about what went wrong 9/11, let alone how things are going now. In fact if you ask most outside sources within inside connections, Luger, Clarke, they will tell you that the war on terror isn't going well.
I'd say its meeting with roughly the same success as the War On Drugs. I recall first hearing about that war in the 80's, especially with Lady Reagan and her Just Say No campaign.

And I'm sure nobody you know touches illegal drugs at all. Ever. Because there's a war on. :rolleyes:

I suspect some, as I do, abstain from such activities.. but I know many more who do not.

That and the bible thumpers turning out to vote.

Otherwise:

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Actually the "bible thumper" vote remained largely unchanged on the scope of things. Just because your candidate sucked ass doesn't mean you should continue to whine about it.

Of course! The democrats are the nation's intellectual elite, you know! They told me so! They deserve to be in charge! :D

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OF COURSE!!!1111 HOW COULD I FORGET!!!!oneoneone :D

This isn't true, otherwise Bush would have carried Oregon. Oregon passed the anti-gay marriage amendment by a fairly wide margen, (although thankfully the lowest in the country) but Kerry won Oregon.

Republicans won because more people voted republican... it really is as simple as that.

Yeah, and why did more evangenicals show up to vote this time?

Most people in those states are economically liberal, but conservative on most other things.

Um, you do realize that the Democrats held on to Congress up until 1994, right? It was Clinton, not LBJ, who really screwed you guys.

But as others have pointed out, it's not our fault you lost. Frankly, Bush is an incompetent tit. Yet you managed to put up the ONE Dem who was even worse than him: a two-faced elitist war criminal with a bitchy un-American wife. (As opposed to our two-faced elitist war criminal with a kind and gentle wife. ;) )

And with Kerry as the symbol of your party, it's no wonder the Republicans rallied such support. We whupped you so good, I bet Daschle is tossing Frist's salad right now. :D

So our nation's policies should serve the minority instead of the majority?

Our nations policies should serve everyone, not just the majority. Any policy which favors the majority over the minority would be very unamerican.

Ahh, the liberal hissy fit.

Ahh, the conservative dismissal.

And I do like how, instead of discussing any valid points I may have made all of you have just turned it around on me and called me an intellectual elitist. Your complete dismissal and of my views and subsequent attacks has only strengthened my argument, and made me feel that maybe I should be an intellectual elitist.

Um, you do realize that the Democrats held on to Congress up until 1994, right? It was Clinton, not LBJ, who really screwed you guys.

But as others have pointed out, it's not our fault you lost. Frankly, Bush is an incompetent tit. Yet you managed to put up the ONE Dem who was even worse than him: a two-faced elitist war criminal with a bitchy un-American wife. (As opposed to our two-faced elitist war criminal with a kind and gentle wife. ;) )

And with Kerry as the symbol of your party, it's no wonder the Republicans rallied such support. We whupped you so good, I bet Daschle is tossing Frist's salad right now. :D

How do you know expect us to be arrogant when you post crap like this. Neither LBJ or Clinton screwed us. We lost the south when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Amendment, up until then the south was heavily democrat. And to say that screwed us would be a lie, as I consider it to be the democrats shining moment.

The ironic thing is that the republican party is willing to splinter to limit civil rights.

How do you know expect us to be arrogant when you post crap like this. Neither LBJ or Clinton screwed us. We lost the south when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Amendment, up until then the south was heavily democrat. And to say that screwed us would be a lie, as I consider it to be the democrats shining moment.

The ironic thing is that the republican party is willing to splinter to limit civil rights.

Nixon did a great deal for civil rights.

Thank you letter to Nixon from MLK:

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/publications/papers/vol4/570830-000-To_Richard_M._Nixon.htm

Where is Etrusca, I know he will address my words and not just generalize my political leanings and revert to bashing Kerry, as that is all I have heard.

Nixon did a great deal for civil rights.

Thank you letter to Nixon from MLK:

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/publications/papers/vol4/570830-000-To_Richard_M._Nixon.htm

I applaud him for doing so, however it was Kennedy and Johnson who took the brunt of the southern reaction.

And I was not referring to the past republican party who was a responsible party, both spending and socially.

I applaud him for doing so, however it was Kennedy and Johnson who took the brunt of the southern reaction.

And I was not referring to the past republican party who was a responsible party, both spending and socially.


I was just pointing out that the South did not leave the republican party...

It is interesting as well, how the black vote has been almost exclusively democrat since then.

You are selfish. Every major issue besides the War on Terror has been twisted around to be about conservatives.

1. Abortion ceased being about a mother's choice, and started being about conservative views on when life begins.
2. Gay Marriage ceased being about allowing everyone the same civil rights, and became an issue of protecting marriage (and I don't have a clue out that is a justification)
3. Our economy became less about being wise with our money and investing it with our future economy in mind, and became about Kerry wanting to raise your taxes (to fund a war you support, mind you).
4. The war became less and less about freeing the Iraqi people from a tyrant, and became more about imposing a different, western style government. (key word: imposing)
5. Healthcare became less about making sure that everyone is covered to a degree, and more about you not having to pay more taxes.

You attacked the democratic candidate for his short stint in Vietnam, while relentlessly defending Bush's short stint in the Texas Air National Guard. You turn gay marriage into the hottest issue this year, and when Kerry and Edwards praise the Chaeneys for openly supporting their lesbian daughter you attack them for bringing up homosexuality. You won based on the simple fact that the majority will look out for themselves before even casting a glance to the minority. Have fun with the republican party you have created as it won't last. Just ask Lyndon Johnson and the 60's democratic party how fickle self-serving political bases can be.

1. First of all, how is it selfish to care about an innocent life?
2. Most Republicans, including George W. Bush, support civil unions, which would give gays equal rights, but not the word marriage, and would therefore prevent the whole sale opening of marriage to other "alternative" relationships.
3. Again, neither candidate offered any fiscal solution. Both were guilty of ignoring the deficit, it's just that Kerry ignored it even more.
4. So what would you have us do? Liberate them and put another tyrant in so we won't be "imposing" a "western" government? Liberation and democracy go hand in hand.
5. No, it became about the fact that government health care does not work, and is unfair. Why should I pay for some homeless bum on the street? 6. What you say is ridiculous. The attacks made on John Kerry were about his anti-american statements after the war. And the "attack" on Kerry-Edwards was made because they shouldn't be bringing up a candidate's family into the mix. Family members should be left out of the political fray.

I was just pointing out that the South did not leave the republican party...

It is interesting as well, how the black vote has been almost exclusively democrat since then.

I would surmise that it was the symbolic nature of the law and it's signing that caused this.

How do you (not?) expect us to be arrogant when you post crap like this. Neither LBJ or Clinton screwed us. We lost the south when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Amendment, up until then the south was heavily democrat. And to say that screwed us would be a lie, as I consider it to be the democrats shining moment.
Ah yes, flouting the constitutional limits on the federal government in the pursuit of an ideal. Shining indeed.

But why are you so opposed to Kerry-bashing? You posted your theory on why we won, and I have a different opinion. "You won because you twisted the issues to be about you." Well, yeah. That's part of the game of politics. It's like saying "Michigan won because they scored more points than Michigan State." Both sides try to swing the voters to their viewpoint. The question is, which guy's fantasies sound more believable? And that's where individual can-duh-dates come in.

This isn't true, otherwise Bush would have carried Oregon. Oregon passed the anti-gay marriage amendment by a fairly wide margen, (although thankfully the lowest in the country) but Kerry won Oregon.

Republicans won because more people voted republican... it really is as simple as that.


No, people are selfish, hypocritcal assholes. That's why.

And I hope all of their children die in Iraq.

I would surmise that it was the symbolic nature of the law and it's signing that caused this.

The NAACP's endorsement of Kennedy didn't help matters.

People are sheep

No, people are selfish, hypocritcal assholes. That's why.

And I hope all of their children die in Iraq.

That's a horrible thing to say. Grow up.

Just because your candidate sucked ass doesn't mean you should continue to whine about it.

Knock off the flamebait, mmk? It doesn't help any thing.

Thank You,
Stephanie
Game Moderator

You are selfish. Every major issue besides the War on Terror has been twisted around to be about conservatives.

1. Abortion ceased being about a mother's choice, and started being about conservative views on when life begins.
2. Gay Marriage ceased being about allowing everyone the same civil rights, and became an issue of protecting marriage (and I don't have a clue out that is a justification)
3. Our economy became less about being wise with our money and investing it with our future economy in mind, and became about Kerry wanting to raise your taxes (to fund a war you support, mind you).
4. The war became less and less about freeing the Iraqi people from a tyrant, and became more about imposing a different, western style government. (key word: imposing)
5. Healthcare became less about making sure that everyone is covered to a degree, and more about you not having to pay more taxes.

You attacked the democratic candidate for his short stint in Vietnam, while relentlessly defending Bush's short stint in the Texas Air National Guard. You turn gay marriage into the hottest issue this year, and when Kerry and Edwards praise the Chaeneys for openly supporting their lesbian daughter you attack them for bringing up homosexuality. You won based on the simple fact that the majority will look out for themselves before even casting a glance to the minority. Have fun with the republican party you have created as it won't last. Just ask Lyndon Johnson and the 60's democratic party how fickle self-serving political bases can be.

1. Abortion is about mother's choice. However, they should make that choice before they have sex, and should have used contraceptives.
2. No one wants to deny them civil rights. Most republicans, I myself included, are all for giving them their rights. However, marriage is defined as the union of a man and woman and should be preserved that way. Why can't you liberals see this?
3. Our economy has become more of pulling out of a recession. over 130,000 jobs have been made in the past month, and we are continuing to rebuild. Yes, our economy could be better, and it's getting there. Also, it WAS about Kerry raising taxes. He voted 98 times while in the senate to raise taxes. Now tell me he didn't want to raise taxes.
4. No, I assure you, it's still about freeing the Iraqi people. We're letting them set up their own government, it doens't have to be exactly like ours.
5. Your point? No one wants higher taxes. Socializing healthcare decreases the quality of healthcare.

We won based on the simple fact that more Americans voted republican. I think it's pretty obvious that the heartland of America wants to keep traditional values. Damn. Kerry lost, quit whining. The democratic left is going to have to do some complete turning around, and until they do, they won't win back the whitehouse. Ya'll should've listended to Zell Miller.

4. No, I assure you, it's still about freeing the Iraqi people. We're letting them set up their own government, it doens't have to be exactly like ours.
I'm amazed no one has pointed out the fact that this wasn't the reason we gave when we first went into Neo Babylon. Can you spell WMD, kids?

1. First of all, how is it selfish to care about an innocent life?

You completely failed to acknowledge the other sides beliefs that it is a woman's right to choose what is morally acceptable, and thereby proved my point.

2. Most Republicans, including George W. Bush, support civil unions, which would give gays equal rights, but not the word marriage, and would therefore prevent the whole sale opening of marriage to other "alternative" relationships.

You accepted civil unions, but still defended marriage. My point was that instead of discussing civil rights, republicans selfishly call it defending marriage.

3. Again, neither candidate offered any fiscal solution. Both were guilty of ignoring the deficit, it's just that Kerry ignored it even more.

While I disagree with you, at least you have shown that you don't consider it an issue of raising your taxes or lowering your taxes.

4. So what would you have us do? Liberate them and put another tyrant in so we won't be "imposing" a "western" government? Liberation and democracy go hand in hand.

Liberation and democracy don't go hand in hand, revolution and democracy go hand in hand. My point was that as the war continued to lose justification, the war became more and more about installing our values on a nation that may or may not share them.

5. No, it became about the fact that government health care does not work, and is unfair. Why should I pay for some homeless bum on the street?

Exactly my point

6. What you say is ridiculous. The attacks made on John Kerry were about his anti-american statements after the war.

The Swift Boat Veterans obviously didn't attack Kerry solely on that. As for his actions, he risked his life to serve this country, (no matter what you can't disagree with that) and then he risked his career to fight what he thought was a mistake and a decision that was hurting this country. Seems perfectly American to me.

Another arrogant Republican spin, that any disagreement with the government is anti-american, or unpatriotic.


And the "attack" on Kerry-Edwards was made because they shouldn't be bringing up a candidate's family into the mix. Family members should be left out of the political fray.

I would say that the backlash over the announcement that Cheaney had a gay daughter would be more insulting than the announcement itself.

My original response was more detailed but I got logged out while typing it.

European's point of view :

You live in a country that takes no shit from islamofascists and nazis. Keep up the good work. Some people are gonna leave your beautiful country, but hey, isn't what "love it or leave it" is all about?

/serving of huddled masses, anyone?
//wasn't sarcastic
///don't even think about wearing a yarmulke in france if you value your life

I'm amazed no one has pointed out the fact that this wasn't the reason we gave when we first went into Neo Babylon. Can you spell WMD, kids?

You're right, and just because we haven't found them doesn't mean they aren't there...come on people, them fuckers could be hidden anywhere. I won't dissmiss the possibility of Iraq hiding WMD's.

1. Abortion is about mother's choice. However, they should make that choice before they have sex, and should have used contraceptives.

So it still isn't about whether abortion is a moral decision for the mother to decide.

2. No one wants to deny them civil rights. Most republicans, I myself included, are all for giving them their rights. However, marriage is defined as the union of a man and woman and should be preserved that way. Why can't you liberals see this?

Separate but equal was made unconstitutional, thats why.

We won based on the simple fact that more Americans voted republican. I think it's pretty obvious that the heartland of America wants to keep traditional values. Damn. Kerry lost, quit whining. The democratic left is going to have to do some complete turning around, and until they do, they won't win back the whitehouse. Ya'll should've listended to Zell Miller.

Thanks for telling me I'm whining once again, as that must be all liberals do. Yeah, we should have sold out like that senile old man, then we would be in power.

I failed to mention why I didn't list the war on terror. How much do you even know about our anti-terrorism forces. Bush won't even release reports about what went wrong 9/11, let alone how things are going now. In fact if you ask most outside sources within inside connections, Luger, Clarke, they will tell you that the war on terror isn't going well.

How stupid can releasing all of our success in the war on terror would be. The fact is that we stop about 1 terrorist plot on average everyday of the year somewhere around the world. Bush can't say where we succeed because that would give away where our spies are. I can already read the headlines on Al Jazeera (spelling?): "Syria tortures, hangs US spy on national TV" And when that happens, you'll be calling Bush a moron for announcing our success there and getting that spy killed.

The War on Terror isn't going well? Try this book by George Friedman America's Secret War : Inside the Hidden Worldwide Struggle Between the United States and Its Enemies Here's a link to it on Amazon: www.Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385512457/qid=1100307585/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-3625582-5617511?v=glance&s=books)

We are winning, slowly but surely. You can't expect us to fully rebuild two countries and bring global terrorism to a grinding halt in 3 1/2 years. Especially with nations supporting their anti-Western terrorist attacks

So it still isn't about whether abortion is a moral decision for the mother to decide.

Here's how you make abortion a moral issue for only the mother: Stop using federal taxpayer's money to have abortions. Then and only then will it be solely a moral issue. Keep the government out of it and you don't have to worry about others "imposing their morals" onto you.

Separate but equal was made unconstitutional, thats why.

You cannot redefine something simply because you want to. What about polygamists? Why can't we marry animals? Can't we just have 3 women married to each other? America was close to allowing civil unions in probably about 5 years or so. We are a tolerant people but when you try to force it down our throats, our reaction is to shove it back in your face. Those Massachusetts judges hurt the gay-rights movement more than any voter ever could.

Thanks for telling me I'm whining once again, as that must be all liberals do. Yeah, we should have sold out like that senile old man, then we would be in power.

Kerry would have been a pushover for liberals. Edwards and him caved to Dean's pressure back in the primaries, why would he stop once he because president? If you weren't whining, fine. We'll call it complaining or ranting against Bush-supporters and Republicans in general because like it or not, there were plenty of Democrats voting for Bush too.

Here's as good a place as any to do this and I'm not going to quote anyone because it'd be like pulling a raindrop out of an ocean-

Regarding the "quit whining, you lost."

Yeah, no. Not going to do that. Christ, Clinton's been out of office for four years and conservatives still haven't shut up about him. So no. Because you scared the shit out of middle america by telling them that Kerry would give the terrorists your tax dollars, surrender to France and make you marry someone of the same gender so they voted for Cowboy Bush doesn't make him suddenly right and certainly does not make him an infalliable president. Here's the thing-I at least would have rode Kerry had he won, questioned the shit out of him. Thats what you do in a democracy, it's why they gave us free speech. So you don't like us questioning your boy? Complaining about him or bitching that we lost? Too bad. Start shutting the fuck up about Clinton and we'll consider it.

Here's how you make abortion a moral issue for only the mother: Stop using federal taxpayer's money to have abortions. Then and only then will it be solely a moral issue. Keep the government out of it and you don't have to worry about others "imposing their morals" onto you.

Making abortion illegal, not how to pay for it, was the more important issue for this election.

You cannot redefine something simply because you want to. What about polygamists? Why can't we marry animals? Can't we just have 3 women married to each other? America was close to allowing civil unions in probably about 5 years or so. We are a tolerant people but when you try to force it down our throats, our reaction is to shove it back in your face. Those Massachusetts judges hurt the gay-rights movement more than any voter ever could.

I don't know what definition you mean, because constitutions can be amended if need be, dictionary definitions change all of the time, and religious definitions don't come into play. So, I don't see a problem with redefining something. As for polygamy, it would change the legal construction of marriage, changing it from two to three people. Changing it to two of the same gender would not change the legal construct as the government is already bound to ignore gender in taxation.

I like how you are the one having this shoved in your face, when you are not touched legally whatsoever. There will be absolutely nothing different about your marriage whatsoever. But we are shoving it down your throat.


Kerry would have been a pushover for liberals. Edwards and him caved to Dean's pressure back in the primaries, why would he stop once he because president? If you weren't whining, fine. We'll call it complaining or ranting against Bush-supporters and Republicans in general because like it or not, there were plenty of Democrats voting for Bush too.

You wrote off Kerry as un-American instead of questioning the war that he experienced.
You wrote off Kerry as being a flip-flopper, instead of exploring the truths behind his voting record, you fail to address the fact that you called him the most liberal senator yet a flip-flopper, even though it would be impossible to vote liberal every time yet flip-flop.
You wrote off the points we made during the campaign as arrogant intellectual ramblings instead of examining why 48% of the nation supported them.
Now you write off our analysis of the election as whining instead of responding to the reports of voting machine failure, spoiled votes in Ohio, and general misinformed (PIPA report) nature of the voters.

Im noticing a pattern.

So our nation's policies should serve the minority instead of the majority?

At times; absatootly!

The marjority is not always right.

This isn't true, otherwise Bush would have carried Oregon. Oregon passed the anti-gay marriage amendment by a fairly wide margen, (although thankfully the lowest in the country) but Kerry won Oregon.

Republicans won because more people voted republican... it really is as simple as that.

Actually it is.

Many of people say gay marriage was the battle cry.

For goodness sakes, I mean really. The conservatives on this forum are incredibly ignorant. Here is a brief re-cap:

1. Banning abortion is about protecting innocent life.

Here is the rebuttal: If you care so much about "innocent life" then why are you bombing the shit out of innocent Iraqi civillians? I've lost count on how much 'collateral damage' you Americans have dealt out in Iraq and it sickens me.

2. We want civil rights for gays, we just don't want them to get married.

Grow a brain. Restricting their right to get married is restricting their civil rights. Can't you see that? Protecting the sanctity of marrige is absolute crap as well. A gay couple that have been living together for years can't get married but some 80 year old business man can pick up an 18 year old girl and go through some drive-through in Las Vegas. See the hypocrisy? Also there are plenty of sodomy laws in place in America where it is illegal to partake in any homosexual activity. Don't want to restrict their civil rights? Horse shit.

3. Creating a universal healthcare system will raise taxes and that's bad.

Healthcare will save you money especially for all the business owners up on Wall Street. Think about it. How many days off does the average American without Healthcare take when they are sick? About a week if it's a nasty infection. But if they have a healthcare system they only need about a day or two off because they can afford to go to the doctor and get a perscription. Just think about that. Plus private HMOs over there are from what I've seen, pure evil.

4. Iraq still has WMDs!

No... They don't. They have found one can of sarin gas which was probably left over from the substantial amount the US donated to them during the Iraqi-Irani War. Face it, even if they have any WMDs, the trace is going to lead back to America. Lead pipings for plumbing and a helium tank is all you have found apart from the sarin gas. I wonder why the Iraqis are pissed off at you for bombing the crap out of them just for that.

5. God is on our side.

That's the attitude, isn't it? With all your morals and hocus-pocus? How about God is downright pissed off at you for killing innocents, starting wars, exploiting capitalism beyond all belief and helping dozens of infamous dictators set up their regimes? If there is a God, he's going to be pissed off with you. Not the Iraqis but you. He's probably cooking up a scheme to wipe you all out now. Then the British, then us, the Australians.

Sorry, but I'm officially pissed off with you conservatives in America. :headbang:

Kerry lost the election because he underestimated Bush and ran a poor campaign.

On Healthcare: Two things. I dont want to pay for some lazy bum's medical insurance so he takes a free ride when he overdoses on crack that he bought off his welfare check. And the more government control that goes into health care, the less choices your doctors make cuz the government has to save money. They should take an accurate poll of medical professionals from around the country and ask them about government healthcare.

On Healthcare: Two things. I dont want to pay for some lazy bum's medical insurance so he takes a free ride when he overdoses on crack that he bought off his welfare check. And the more government control that goes into health care, the less choices your doctors make cuz the government has to save money. They should take an accurate poll of medical professionals from around the country and ask them about government healthcare.
How do you know it won't work?
It works in plenty of other places...
And I really really don't get this American obsession with not paying taxes. Why is your own personal profit worth more than the god of your society? And maybe if some of that military spending went into USEFUL things like education and health you wouldn't even need a tax increase...

On Healthcare: Two things. I dont want to pay for some lazy bum's medical insurance so he takes a free ride when he overdoses on crack that he bought off his welfare check.

Wow that is about as ignorant you can get. :rolleyes:


And the more government control that goes into health care, the less choices your doctors make cuz the government has to save money. They should take an accurate poll of medical professionals from around the country and ask them about government healthcare.

Newsflash slick. That is already going on with the "freemarket" insurence companies.

My mom works with a doctor that is rated 3rd in the WORLD. She remembers him arguing with what he felt was an 18 year old girl about whether or not a procedure was warrented.

You might want to dig around a bit more

You are selfish. Every major issue besides the War on Terror has been twisted around to be about conservatives.

1. Abortion ceased being about a mother's choice, and started being about conservative views on when life begins.
2. Gay Marriage ceased being about allowing everyone the same civil rights, and became an issue of protecting marriage (and I don't have a clue out that is a justification)
3. Our economy became less about being wise with our money and investing it with our future economy in mind, and became about Kerry wanting to raise your taxes (to fund a war you support, mind you).
4. The war became less and less about freeing the Iraqi people from a tyrant, and became more about imposing a different, western style government. (key word: imposing)
5. Healthcare became less about making sure that everyone is covered to a degree, and more about you not having to pay more taxes.

You attacked the democratic candidate for his short stint in Vietnam, while relentlessly defending Bush's short stint in the Texas Air National Guard. You turn gay marriage into the hottest issue this year, and when Kerry and Edwards praise the Chaeneys for openly supporting their lesbian daughter you attack them for bringing up homosexuality. You won based on the simple fact that the majority will look out for themselves before even casting a glance to the minority. Have fun with the republican party you have created as it won't last. Just ask Lyndon Johnson and the 60's democratic party how fickle self-serving political bases can be.

Rie me a Criver. I didn't see your name on the ballot. Oh and I'm glad that your post shows both sides of the story. Nice.

You turn gay marriage into the hottest issue this year, and when Kerry and Edwards praise the Chaeneys for openly supporting their lesbian daughter you attack them for bringing up homosexuality.

that issue wasn't an issue untill liberals in massachusets and california made it one

I'm surprised no one has decided to flame me yet...

No, people are selfish, hypocritcal assholes. That's why.

And I hope all of their children die in Iraq.

That was totally uncalled for. Consider yourself warned. Another outburst like that will result in your nation being tagged.

Stephanie
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that issue wasn't an issue untill liberals in massachusets and california made it one


Yeah, and because the law in Massachusetts didn't explicitly<sP> define marriage, it was open to interretation, just like every other law.

The judge which made the one person majority was nomited by Paul Celluci, now the ambassador to Canca. He was a republican. Massachusetts hasn't had a Democratic governor since 1988.