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http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/11/film.fahrenheitfollow.ap/index.html

A sequel to Fahrenheit 9/11? I called this one a while back. Moore probably voted for Bush and ran a weakened ploy for Kerry/Edwards, hoping that Bush would win so that he could capitalize by making another movie. Yet, people are still going to fall for it. America needs to wake up and realize what a hypocrite Michael Moore really is, and stop paying to see his propaganda. He wanted Bush to win all along; he's making millions because of it.

Umm...got proof that he wanted Bush to win?

Besides, if people didn't listen the first time they ain't gonna listen the second time.

Let him make the damn thing.

I can't wait for that, it's second only to the Passion of the Christ 2.

Umm...got proof that he wanted Bush to win?

Besides, if people didn't listen the first time they ain't gonna listen the second time.

Let him make the damn thing.
Greedy political propagandist publicly against Bush + Bush win = at least 20 million additional bucks for Moore. America may not listen on the whole, but his fans will flock to see it. He doesn't give a crap about the American people. He's in it for the money, just like the people he supposedly attacks in his films. He is the biggest 'socialist-capitalist' in the world.

*HeHEM*

Got proof Mr. Paranoia?

Moore makes many films like that because it's what he believes in and he wishes to get the message across to stupid people. Like Bush supporters.

The usual will happen. Those who want to believe Moore will, everyone else will ignore it, just like they did for Lying for Columbine.

Do I like George Bush...no. Do I like Michael Moore...hell no. Why should we give our money to this fat hypocrite who has made millions or dollars by rolling his way to any place that has been in news lately...and making an hour and a half documentary about, the filler being his sarcastic comments. "Free Speech For the Dumb"...anyone heard of it? You know what they say, the First Amendment doesn't protect things we like, it's for crap like this.

*HeHEM*

Got proof Mr. Paranoia?

Moore makes many films like that because it's what he believes in and he wishes to get the message across to stupid people. Like Bush supporters.
Moore makes these things so that he can manipulate anyone jaded enough to fall for that crap, apparently such as yourself.

*HeHEM*

Got proof Mr. Paranoia?

Moore makes many films like that because it's what he believes in and he wishes to get the message across to stupid people. Like Bush supporters.
I'd say your pretty paranoid if you believe Moore's lies

You keep saying he is telling lies, Provide examples to back it up.....cause so far i've seen nothing yet

You keep saying he is telling lies, Provide examples to back it up.....cause so far i've seen nothing yet
I suggest that you watch FahrenHYPE 9/11, or even read material from like websites. Then again, Moore supporters will never accept the fact that he spews lies and hypocrisy in everything that he does.

Rising up against Moore isn't conservative. It isn't liberal. It's just plain common sense. I myself am a moderate, but I have liberal friends that even agree: Moore is a complete manipulator.

Greedy political propagandist publicly against Bush + Bush win = at least 20 million additional bucks for Moore. America may not listen on the whole, but his fans will flock to see it. He doesn't give a crap about the American people. He's in it for the money, just like the people he supposedly attacks in his films. He is the biggest 'socialist-capitalist' in the world.

I'm with you on the capitalist part. He makes crap loads of money. Notice how he didn't donate one dollar from Fahrenheit to the families of those lost in 9/11 or Iraq. Notice how he didn't give a pretty red cent to those who lost family members in Columbine. He makes money off violence.
Apart from that though I think Moore honestly wanted Bush to lose. Its not like he can't pass criticism on John Kerry or anyone else leading this country. Show us where he helped Bush? Moore did everything he could to get Kerry in. In the end the association between the two men may have hurt Kerry but I think thats a hindsight thing. I think most Americans grouped the two in an unfair way.

Moore is one of those guys though (like most Kerry supporters) where they don't like Kerry but they'd rather he be in office. If thats your point then your right on the mark.
I'm happy with any president as long as its not Jimmy Carter.

Oh and P.S. Hoping Mr. Moore changes the name for of his garbage slewing non-sense. Fahrenheit 451 is a great social commentary... his film on the other hand is not.

I'd say your pretty paranoid if you believe Moore's lies

I don't believe a lot of things he said and a lot of stuff on BfC was incomplete and based more on his opinion. He did do a better job on 9/11 though. He backs it all up on his website too.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/

Moore privided proof. I haven't bothered to read it myself and probably never will but someone who thinks he lied all the way through 9/11 might want to have fun finding the lies.

So far I haven't heard of any proof of him supporting Bush's re-election. Just opinion.

Besides, Moore is a crusader of the down-trodden, pointer-outer of bureaucratic nonsense, annoying gadfly against corporate corruption, etc, etc, whatever. Its not like he'd have nothing else to do if Bush lost. He was around well before Bush on TV with TV Nation and The Awful Truth. As long as government is around, so will there be a Moore.

You keep saying he is telling lies, Provide examples to back it up.....cause so far i've seen nothing yet
well have you looked up anything for yourself to see if he's manipulationg the truth or not? If you have then at least you care enough to do so, if you haven't then I kindly direct you to the website www.bowlingfortruth.com :-)

ok,btw i wasn't trying to start an arguement im just sick of people saying things without backing up their statments...

*HeHEM*

Got proof Mr. Paranoia?

Moore makes many films like that because it's what he believes in and he wishes to get the message across to stupid people. Like Bush supporters.
moore potrays the slothful american battling the forces of uber-rich oppresors of the poor while being uber-rich himself...if he cared so much about his political agenda then why is he charging so much money for personal appearences at rallies backing the same political agenda he has....money people wake up he loves money..nothing more..

I don't believe a lot of things he said and a lot of stuff on BfC was incomplete and based more on his opinion. He did do a better job on 9/11 though. He backs it all up on his website too.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/

Moore privided proof. I haven't bothered to read it myself and probably never will but someone who thinks he lied all the way through 9/11 might want to have fun finding the lies.

So far I haven't heard of any proof of him supporting Bush's re-election. Just opinion.

Besides, Moore is a crusader of the down-trodden, pointer-outer of bureaucratic nonsense, annoying gadfly against corporate corruption, etc, etc, whatever. Its not like he'd have nothing else to do if Bush lost. He was around well before Bush on TV with TV Nation and The Awful Truth. As long as government is around, so will there be a Moore.

Put Dave Kopel in a yahoo search. He does a very good job showing the factual inaccuracies. Notice Kopel is not a Republican, he is a registered green just like Moore. He has criticized Bush. I think Kopel does a very good job disecting Moore's movie... he also puts Moore's responses to his arguments up there from his war room.

Seriously man. I'm not exactly a Moore supporter I think he's preatty contradictory, but you Bush nuts have only proved that he is fat and unshaven, why don't you guys prove any of the stuff he says to be hypocritical or wrong? Besides I really doubt any of you could honestly say that if you were in his position that you would not take advantage of the chance to make a few(million) bucks.

moore potrays the slothful american battling the forces of uber-rich oppresors of the poor while being uber-rich himself...if he cared so much about his political agenda then why is he charging so much money for personal appearences at rallies backing the same political agenda he has....money people wake up he loves money..nothing more..

Some of those rallies are offered for free... I know he offered one at Cal for free. His event here at the University of Nebraska in Lincoln was offered for free as well.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372783

Odd how I posted the same topic yet Steph closed it.

I'm getting pretty sick of her bull.

If Michael Moore's stuff is not true than why hasn't the government sued him, Bush can sue Moore for a lot of money if that stuff isn't true you know.

Seriously man. I'm not exactly a Moore supporter I think he's preatty contradictory, but you Bush nuts have only proved that he is fat and unshaven, why don't you guys prove any of the stuff he says to be hypocritical or wrong? Besides I really doubt any of you could honestly say that if you were in his position that you would not take advantage of the chance to make a few(million) bucks.

Dave Kopel gives 59 perfectly good examples of that. Though he is not a Bush supporter. Moore should know the secret service guards embassies if he is to be taken as an intellectual. The fact that Kerry doesen't back his words is proof enough to me he is full of it.

Seriously man. I'm not exactly a Moore supporter I think he's preatty contradictory, but you Bush nuts have only proved that he is fat and unshaven, why don't you guys prove any of the stuff he says to be hypocritical or wrong? Besides I really doubt any of you could honestly say that if you were in his position that you would not take advantage of the chance to make a few(million) bucks.
I can say that I would not.

If Michael Moore's stuff is not true than why hasn't the government sued him, Bush can sue Moore for a lot of money if that stuff isn't true you know.

Actually libel suits are very hard to win if your famous in the United States.

Seriously man. I'm not exactly a Moore supporter I think he's preatty contradictory, but you Bush nuts have only proved that he is fat and unshaven, why don't you guys prove any of the stuff he says to be hypocritical or wrong? Besides I really doubt any of you could honestly say that if you were in his position that you would not take advantage of the chance to make a few(million) bucks.

Sure I might take the money. Patriotic Americans can criticize the war. Patriotic Americans can not take money from Hezbollah like Michael Moore did with this film.

If Michael Moore's stuff is not true than why hasn't the government sued him, Bush can sue Moore for a lot of money if that stuff isn't true you know.
ohh ohh, i know why. If you look at his movie very carfully you will see that he never really outright lies. Like it will say America gave millions to the taliban ruled-whatever and people assume we gave money to the taliban but he never actually says anything, or his sources aren't good, that's why people say he manipulates the truth. It's not what you say it's how you say it, he will say somethin sarcastically and the statement means the opposite of what he says but if he was in court he could say that his movie says the opposite because it does.
Once Moore said that all of the facts in his movie were true, and this of course is true but all of the "lies" a.k.a. manipulated or shaddered bits of truth aren't.

"Fahrenheit 9/11 1/2"
WOW, give Moore 2 thumbs up for originality.

Some of those rallies are offered for free... I know he offered one at Cal for free. His event here at the University of Nebraska in Lincoln was offered for free as well.

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Wow, CNN is worse then i thought if this is not completly partisan tell me what is?

I think that Moore is making another movie just for the money. He seems to find a topic and runs with it. His early career focused on the auto industry.
He lives in Upper Michigan, in Elk Rapids, and according to the Traverse City Record Eagle in early September was expressing sour grapes about the lack of Democratic candidates in rural Michigan. He said something along the lines that if he wanted to live in a one party country, he would live in Russia. I don't think he would object if they were only Democratic candidates.
I haven't confirmed stories but have heard that when he is in Europe, he speaks about the goodness of socialism and the evils of capitalism. I think many celebrities pander to the audience of what country they are in.

If Michael Moore's stuff is not true than why hasn't the government sued him, Bush can sue Moore for a lot of money if that stuff isn't true you know.
Wrong. Political figures have a legally-reduced protection against libel and slander. They can only take legal action is there is actual malice to incite rebellion. This was first founded in the John Peter Zenger case.

Wrong. Political figures have a legally-reduced protection against libel and slander. They can only take legal action is there is actual malice to incite rebellion. This was first founded in the John Peter Zenger case.
Yeah that sucks, what's the John Peter Zenger case?

I suggest that you watch FahrenHYPE 9/11, or even read material from like websites. Then again, Moore supporters will never accept the fact that he spews lies and hypocrisy in everything that he does.

Rising up against Moore isn't conservative. It isn't liberal. It's just plain common sense. I myself am a moderate, but I have liberal friends that even agree: Moore is a complete manipulator.


moore is a manipulator??? then what would you call bill o'reilly, joe scarborough, rush limbaugh, msnbc, cnn, bbc, fox news...????? moore is one man with an opinion. these media conglomerates with $$$$$$ controlled interests are the true manipulators. why would moore, who has always fought an extremely left-wing fight (look at his track record going back to 1989 with roger & me) do something in support of bush for a profit on a film when all he has ever done shows he would rather die first??? that, my friend, is paranoia.

:rolleyes:
Michael Moore was born and raised in Davison, Michigan and not Flint,
Michigan which he states in his movies. He attended Davison High School.
Davison, Michigan is near Flint. However, it has a higher standard of living
and lower poverty and unemployment rate than Flint. He is what Hollywood
calls "a media whore"; an entertainer that creates his persona to revolve
around popular opinion. I don't know why he so blatantly lies about things,
such as his hometown, but obviously "denial" works on some people.
;)

GREAT! Moore lies!

moore is a manipulator??? then what would you call bill o'reilly, joe scarborough, rush limbaugh, msnbc, cnn, bbc, fox news...?????

Which one of the above people sat with a former president in the VIP box of their political party's convention? Which one of them has been on Leno and Letterman? Which one has won the highest awards in their industry?

Yeah that sucks, what's the John Peter Zenger case?
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/zenger/zengeraccount.html

moore is a manipulator??? then what would you call bill o'reilly, joe scarborough, rush limbaugh, msnbc, cnn, bbc, fox news...????? moore is one man with an opinion. these media conglomerates with $$$$$$ controlled interests are the true manipulators. why would moore, who has always fought an extremely left-wing fight (look at his track record going back to 1989 with roger & me) do something in support of bush for a profit on a film when all he has ever done shows he would rather die first??? that, my friend, is paranoia.
Changing the subject is the sign of a weak case, which you have just done. This isn't about other commentators and media. This is about Moore and Moore alone.

moore is a manipulator??? then what would you call bill o'reilly, joe scarborough, rush limbaugh, msnbc, cnn, bbc, fox news...????? moore is one man with an opinion. these media conglomerates with $$$$$$ controlled interests are the true manipulators. why would moore, who has always fought an extremely left-wing fight (look at his track record going back to 1989 with roger & me) do something in support of bush for a profit on a film when all he has ever done shows he would rather die first??? that, my friend, is paranoia.
look it doesn't matter why when who where what or how all that matters is that he creates movies out of shaddered bits of truth and that they lead people to belive anything but the truth. Even though the why is to make money, the when is now and the past 15 years, the who is michael moore, the where is obvious, the what is using shaddered bits of manipulated truth to essentially lie, and the how is by filming and cutting scenes here and there and editing this adding this there, but that is still mainly irrelevant. As for o'reiley go to www.bowlingfortruth.com and scroll down and watch the interview of him and moore then come back and argue. The interview is not edited in any way.

Which one of them has been on Leno and Letterman? Which one has won the highest awards in their industry?

Oooh, Moore's a horrible man, he has an Oscar! :eek: :rolleyes:

Oooh, Moore's a horrible man, he has an Oscar! :eek: :rolleyes:

Did you miss the point or did it ricochet off of your head?

Moore is legitimized by the mainstream media and political establishment, when he is little more than a propogandist.

Wrong. Political figures have a legally-reduced protection against libel and slander. They can only take legal action is there is actual malice to incite rebellion. This was first founded in the John Peter Zenger case.

Thanks for making a much better argument against this guy than I did.

I think that Moore is making another movie just for the money. He seems to find a topic and runs with it.

Right. Which is exactly why he wanted to show Farenheit 9/11 on Public TV before the election, and why he gave permission to distribute pirated copies.

Get a grip man, Moore detested Bush to an extent that it wasn't about money anymore, he just wanted to get Bush out of office.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/zenger/zengeraccount.html

Damn man, that is flipping awesome. The whole time I was reading his speech I was like this is crazy cool. We take advantage of this freedom everyday thanks to Andrew Hamilton. HUZZAH!

Right. Which is exactly why he wanted to show Farenheit 9/11 on Public TV before the election, and why he gave permission to distribute pirated copies.

Get a grip man, Moore detested Bush to an extent that it wasn't about money anymore, he just wanted to get Bush out of office.
Just becasue he wanted it aired on public television doesn't mean that he doesn't want money, anyone can see that. He has more than item one agenda so he must not want money... is that what you are saying?... if it is then you should get a grip.

Just becasue he wanted it aired on public television doesn't mean that he doesn't want money, anyone can see that. He has more than item one agenda so he must not want money... is that what you are saying?... if it is then you should get a grip.

Of course not. My point was that if he was truly the greedy profiteering bastard some people paint him out to be, he definitely would not have authorized distribution of pirated copies, and offered to air it on Public TV for free.

Of course not. My point was that if he was truly the greedy profiteering bastard some people paint him out to be, he definitely would not have authorized distribution of pirated copies, and offered to air it on Public TV for free.
He wants bush out of office and he wants money, you can't say he doesn't want those things so why did you bring up him allowing it to be aired on tv and allowing it to be distributed. He already has tons of money.

*HeHEM*

Got proof Mr. Paranoia?

Moore makes many films like that because it's what he believes in and he wishes to get the message across to stupid people. Like Bush supporters.

Stupid people? Stupid are the people who believe his nonsense. It's not even considered a documentary by hollywood because there are too many lies in it. That's why it can be nominated for catagories such as film of the year (god forbid) but it can't be documentary of the year. It's a work of fiction.

Of course not. My point was that if he was truly the greedy profiteering bastard some people paint him out to be, he definitely would not have authorized distribution of pirated copies, and offered to air it on Public TV for free.
I don't see why he wouldn't air it if he wants bush out of office.

also at the begginning of Farenheit 911 it says "this movie was made for entertainment purposes only".... hmmmmmmmm maybe it's all not true after all.... anyone who truely searches for the truth realises that Moore doesn't have it.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/11/film.fahrenheitfollow.ap/index.html

A sequel to Fahrenheit 9/11? I called this one a while back. Moore probably voted for Bush and ran a weakened ploy for Kerry/Edwards, hoping that Bush would win so that he could capitalize by making another movie. Yet, people are still going to fall for it. America needs to wake up and realize what a hypocrite Michael Moore really is, and stop paying to see his propaganda. He wanted Bush to win all along; he's making millions because of it.

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sleep now, i must.

When I saw the title of the possible new movie i immediately thought of the sequel to The Naked Gun... and i know that movie was more credible than the "documentary" by a man who weighs a ton in the metric system, which by the way, we do not use in Petrovitch

He wants bush out of office and he wants money, you can't say he doesn't want those things so why did you bring up him allowing it to be aired on tv and allowing it to be distributed. He already has tons of money.

I don't see why he wouldn't air it if he wants bush out of office.

:confused: Ummm...wtf? Reading comprehension is key. I said if he was profiteering and greedy, he would not have authorized and encouraged its distribution over the internet and on Public TV.