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Well now it seems that the FCC has declared Saving Private Ryan unfit for public TV.

Are we americans so weak that we can't turn the channel anymore?

Thank you Michael Powell for protecting my delicate little mind! :upyours:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41464-2004Nov10.html

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Good. I hope they implement it soon.

Well now it seems that the FCC has declared Saving Private Ryan unfit for public TV.

Are we americans so weak that we can't turn the channel anymore?

Thank you Michael Powell for protecting my delicate little mind! :upyours:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41464-2004Nov10.html

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I can't believe that the some of the ABC channels will not put this on. This is an affront to every Veteran of our Armed Forces.

Read your own link. The FCC has not banned showing the movie. ABC affiliate stations are refusing to air the movie, citing that they fear the FCC will fine them. Note that ABC has aired the movie in its entirety twice before. One complaint was made and the FCC dismissed the complaint. It looks like the movie is being pulled more as a passive statement against recent FCC penalties.

Note that ABC has aired the movie in its entirety twice before. One complaint was made and the FCC dismissed the complaint. It looks like the movie is being pulled more as a passive statement against recent FCC penalties.

Correct the new indency laws were not in place. So indirectly they have set the stage of "are you willing to gamble" because some group might be offended?

The station should not have to fear fines for such films.

It's the job of the parents to police the TV not the AFA or Michael P.

Bastards. That movie kicks ass.

The movie is a joke that claims to realisticly portray the beach landings during ww2. The truth is steven speilberg is an angry jewish man who hates the germans and use the ignorrence of the average American to fill this movie with lies especially lies about the german soldiers(all portrayed as evil skinhead fascists) tv channels shouldnt show this piece of propaganda especially veterans day of all days.....show an accurate documentary with no political agenda or if they want to show a movie then let them view a movie that doesnt wrongfully depict one side as being completely evil(like stalingrad or das boot) the bottem line is aside from the opening scene the entire movie is filled with lies that inaccurately depicts the western front and especially the german soldiers....

The movie is a joke that claims to realisticly portray the beach landings during ww2. The truth is steven speilberg is an angry jewish man who hates the germans and use the ignorrence of the average American to fill this movie with lies especially lies about the german soldiers(all portrayed as evil skinhead fascists) tv channels shouldnt show this piece of propaganda especially veterans day of all days.....show an accurate documentary with no political agenda or if they want to show a movie then let them view a movie that doesnt wrongfully depict one side as being completely evil(like stalingrad or das boot) the bottem line is aside from the opening scene the entire movie is filled with lies that inaccurately depicts the western front and especially the german soldiers....


"...joke that claims to realistically portray the beach landings..."

"...aside from the opening scene the entire movie is filled with lies..."

Hmm...what?

Do you have any idea how many military experts were on hand for that film?

How are the Germans portrayed as being "completely evil?"

The movie is a joke that claims to realisticly portray the beach landings during ww2. The truth is steven speilberg is an angry jewish man who hates the germans and use the ignorrence of the average American to fill this movie with lies especially lies about the german soldiers(all portrayed as evil skinhead fascists)
Firstly - try telling that to the Veterans who watched the movie, and who said it was realistic.
Secondly - rather than spouting this bullshit, why don't you read up on what the Germans did in France. Or do you think that those villages they depopulated are fakes built after the war?
Twit.

"...joke that claims to realistically portray the beach landings..."

"...aside from the opening scene the entire movie is filled with lies..."

Hmm...what?

Do you have any idea how many military experts were on hand for that film?

How are the Germans portrayed as being "completely evil?"

By beach landings i meant the early part of the campaign in the western front, and all those military experts were just as one sided as the director.

Firstly - try telling that to the Veterans who watched the movie, and who said it was realistic.
Secondly - rather than spouting this bullshit, why don't you read up on what the Germans did in France. Or do you think that those villages they depopulated are fakes built after the war?
Twit.

Typical reaction of a zionist zealot.... In any case the american soldiers werent knights in shining armor as the director would want you to believe(both sides of the war committed war crimes)....twit

The movie is a joke that claims to realisticly portray the beach landings during ww2. The truth is steven speilberg is an angry jewish man who hates the germans and use the ignorrence of the average American to fill this movie with lies especially lies about the german soldiers(all portrayed as evil skinhead fascists) tv channels shouldnt show this piece of propaganda especially veterans day of all days.....show an accurate documentary with no political agenda or if they want to show a movie then let them view a movie that doesnt wrongfully depict one side as being completely evil(like stalingrad or das boot) the bottem line is aside from the opening scene the entire movie is filled with lies that inaccurately depicts the western front and especially the german soldiers....



While not all German Soldiers were "evil", they all believed the Nazi propaganda Hitler and his officers fed them and so they were taught to hate Jews and the Westerners. People died to make sure Hitler didn't rule the world and yes, the battles on the beachs of France (or the one in the movie in particular) are accurate. People on both sides died and the Nazis were and those around still are evi. Don't ever try and kid yourself they aren't.

Firstly - try telling that to the Veterans who watched the movie, and who said it was realistic.


Correct as one vet commented, "The only thing missing was the smell"

Typical reaction of a zionist zealot.... In any case the american soldiers werent knights in shining armor as the director would want you to believe(both sides of the war committed war crimes)....twit

Do you even know what a zionist is?

Compared to the actions of the Nazis, yes they were knights in shining armor.

However, I am curious to your list of american war crimes so do spew away.....

By beach landings i meant the early part of the campaign in the western front, and all those military experts were just as one sided as the director.


Oh, well if you say so; I'm convinced.

By beach landings i meant the early part of the campaign in the western front, and all those military experts were just as one sided as the director.

One sided? Ok. This was the view of an american unit and what they went through.

Why do they have to tell a "balanced" story?

Typical reaction of a zionist zealot.... In any case the american soldiers werent knights in shining armor as the director would want you to believe(both sides of the war committed war crimes)....twit

What war crimes did the Germans commit in the film?

Wait, so people can't watch this movie because Janet Jackson is a quasi-talented whore who was desperate for some attention? This is ridiculous. Who do they think they're protecting? There is an infinite list of things children are exposed to that are far more traumatizing than Saving Private Ryan. That's why we have so many unfit parents today, why bother when the government does it for you (half-assedly at that). :headbang:

Absolutely true. If you think that "Saving Private Ryan" was traumatic, you should have seen "The House of The Dead." My stomach is still churning on that piece of dung. The asian chick was pretty hot, though.

Typical reaction of a zionist zealot.... In any case the american soldiers werent knights in shining armor as the director would want you to believe(both sides of the war committed war crimes)....twit
The holocaust threw away any german claim of being on the right side of this war. (Coming from a second generation american whose grandparents fought in WWII on the German side)

The movie is a joke that claims to realisticly portray the beach landings during ww2. The truth is steven speilberg is an angry jewish man who hates the germans and use the ignorrence of the average American to fill this movie with lies especially lies about the german soldiers(all portrayed as evil skinhead fascists) tv channels shouldnt show this piece of propaganda especially veterans day of all days.....show an accurate documentary with no political agenda or if they want to show a movie then let them view a movie that doesnt wrongfully depict one side as being completely evil(like stalingrad or das boot) the bottem line is aside from the opening scene the entire movie is filled with lies that inaccurately depicts the western front and especially the german soldiers....
You are an embarassment to conservatives everywhere. You are not "right wing America", you are its anti-Semitic fringe.

ABC won't air it "unedited"... just stick with Comedy Central.

Do you even know what a zionist is?

Compared to the actions of the Nazis, yes they were knights in shining armor.

However, I am curious to your list of american war crimes so do spew away.....


A zionist in my eyes is a jewish nationalist or a symapathyzer of jewish nationalism. Jewish nationalists will do whatever they can to portray themselves as the best(master) race as well as gods "chosen" people. For a zionist anyone who even slightly disapproves of judaism is automaticlly labeled evil and mentally unstable and in short a negative influence of any society. Zionists further their agenda by releasing movies that unrealisticlly degrade their opponents and are often filled with complete lies(the film saving private ryan is one of them)

Maybe you should note that germans treated American captives much better then the Americans treated german pows. As for war crimes against Germany there are too many to list but ill give you a few. The most obvious would be the total destruction of the civilian infrastructure of Germany itself(the culprits in these crimes are the American air force as well as the British royal air force) look up the unessecasry massacre of dresden on the internet. Also as a result of the American lack of proper treatment of german pows a total of 1.7 million germans starved to death in american pow camps. Also dont forget the zionist controlled soviets raping 3 million innocent german women(many of them to death). I would continue but I am busy at the moment. Please take the time to reaserch this topic yourself....

A zionist in my eyes is a jewish nationalist or a symapathyzer of jewish nationalism. Jewish nationalists will do whatever they can to portray themselves as the best(master) race as well as gods "chosen" people. For a zionist anyone who even slightly disapproves of judaism is automaticlly labeled evil and mentally unstable and in short a negative influence of any society. Zionists further their agenda by releasing movies that unrealisticlly degrade their opponents and are often filled with complete lies(the film saving private ryan is one of them)

Maybe you should note that germans treated American captives much better then the Americans treated german pows. As for war crimes against Germany there are too many to list but ill give you a few. The most obvious would be the total destruction of the civilian infrastructure of Germany itself(the culprits in these crimes are the American air force as well as the British royal air force) look up the unessecasry massacre of dresden on the internet. Also as a result of the American lack of proper treatment of german pows a total of 1.7 million germans starved to death in american pow camps. Also dont forget the zionist controlled soviets raping 3 million innocent german women(many of them to death). I would continue but I am busy at the moment. Please take the time to reaserch this topic yourself....
Are you for real? Or the poster boy for the Aryan Nation?

The movie is a joke that claims to realisticly portray the beach landings during ww2. The truth is steven speilberg is an angry jewish man who hates the germans and use the ignorrence of the average American to fill this movie with lies especially lies about the german soldiers(all portrayed as evil skinhead fascists) tv channels shouldnt show this piece of propaganda especially veterans day of all days.....show an accurate documentary with no political agenda or if they want to show a movie then let them view a movie that doesnt wrongfully depict one side as being completely evil(like stalingrad or das boot) the bottem line is aside from the opening scene the entire movie is filled with lies that inaccurately depicts the western front and especially the german soldiers....
14 words: We must protect the existance of Hollywood movies and a future free of censorship.

You are an embarassment to conservatives everywhere. You are not "right wing America", you are its anti-Semitic fringe.


O im sorry for not being a conservative that kneels before his zionist masters :rolleyes:

Typical reaction of a zionist zealot.... In any case the american soldiers werent knights in shining armor as the director would want you to believe(both sides of the war committed war crimes)....twit
Neither side was perfect, and yet somehow, sympathy for the Nazis fails to materialise.

(14 words)

O im sorry for not being a conservative that kneels before his zionist masters :rolleyes:
All the code words for a skinhead American Nazi. "Zionist masters", indeed! Where'd you pick that one up? Mein Kampf?

O im sorry for not being a conservative that kneels before his zionist masters :rolleyes:
And I suppose you are one of those nutcases that believes the Jews were behind the 9/11 attacks . . .

A zionist in my eyes is a jewish nationalist or a symapathyzer of jewish nationalism. Jewish nationalists will do whatever they can to portray themselves as the best(master) race as well as gods "chosen" people. For a zionist anyone who even slightly disapproves of judaism is automaticlly labeled evil and mentally unstable and in short a negative influence of any society. Zionists further their agenda by releasing movies that unrealisticlly degrade their opponents and are often filled with complete lies(the film saving private ryan is one of them)
Unusual. An anti-semitic post lacking in any substance whatsoever. Allow me to demonstrate:

A Nazi in my eyes is a white nationalist or a symapathyzer of white nationalism. Nazis will do whatever they can to portray themselves as the best(master) race as well as gods "chosen" people. For a nazi anyone who even slightly disapproves of Naziism is automaticlly labeled evil and mentally unstable and in short a negative influence of any society. Nazis further their agenda by releasing movies that unrealisticlly degrade their opponents and are often filled with complete lies(the film The Triumph of Will is one of them)

Non specific to the point that complete reversal is possible. Nothing but names changed.

All the code words for a skinhead American Nazi. "Zionist masters", indeed! Where'd you pick that one up? Mein Kampf?

You do know there is a differance between a normal jew and a zionist right? Even religious jews in this country are against zionism. And so what now are you going to call them nazis too?

And I suppose you are one of those nutcases that believes the Jews were behind the 9/11 attacks . . .
Avoid attempts to reason with the unreasonable. Fight back with gentle humour instead. See?

(14 words)

Maybe you should note that germans treated American captives much better then the Americans treated german pows. As for war crimes against Germany there are too many to list but ill give you a few. The most obvious would be the total destruction of the civilian infrastructure of Germany itself(the culprits in these crimes are the American air force as well as the British royal air force) look up the unessecasry massacre of dresden on the internet. Also as a result of the American lack of proper treatment of german pows a total of 1.7 million germans starved to death in american pow camps. Also dont forget the zionist controlled soviets raping 3 million innocent german women(many of them to death). I would continue but I am busy at the moment. Please take the time to reaserch this topic yourself....

Actually I know a bit more then many. My two families sent many sons to fight. Granddad was a Pole who fought the German invasion and then fought with the UK.

I dated a German girl whose granddad was on the Eastern front so I have heard his perspective.

You are stating the obvious example of Dresdan, you have to do better then that.

As to the infrastructre arguments. Sorry it was war. Just fromt he stories my relatives told about Warsaw kind of makes it hard to feel sorry for them.

I challenge you starve to death claim. As far as to say it is a lie. Defend it.

Don't bring the Soviets in as we are talking about American attrocities....

You do know there is a differance between a normal jew and a zionist right? Even religious jews in this country are against zionism. And so what now are you going to call them nazis too?
Jews not Nazis. Nazis are Nazis, and full of much hatred against fellow man.

(yes, once again...)

You do know there is a differance between a normal jew and a zionist right? Even religious jews in this country are against zionism. And so what now are you going to call them nazis too?
I do know the difference. It's just the only place I've seen the term "Zionist master" used is for propaganda from Aryan Nation or similar fringe groups. I didn't call you a Nazi; I called you an embarassment to conservatism everywhere and probably a member of some far-right white supremacist group.

Avoid attempts to reason with the unreasonable. Fight back with gentle humour instead. See?

(14 words)

Since when am I unreasonable? Your the one constantly attacking me just because your angry that i dont blindly support the same ideals as you do.

Avoid attempts to reason with the unreasonable. Fight back with gentle humour instead. See?

(14 words)
Point taken.
(2 words) :)

Since when am I unreasonable? Your the one constantly attacking me just because your angry that i dont blindly support the same ideals as you do.
Never angry, merely amused. Paranoia and fear. Best get out the tin foil hats.

Also you guys should note that without me this thread would have died a long long time ago ;)

Jews not Nazis. Nazis are Nazis, and full of much hatred against fellow man.

(yes, once again...)
12430 posts? I can see why you now count your words!

(11 words) :)

Also you guys should note that without me this thread would have died a long long time ago ;)
You do inspire a lively debate . . . :cool:

Point taken.
(2 words) :)
I don't know if you know or not, but for the benefit of those who may not, 14 words is a neo-nazi slogan; "We must preserve the existance of white people and a future for white children", or a close variation thereof. Its often abbrieviated to merely saying "14 words". Of course, there are a great many phrases that could merely be 14 words...

BTW, I see these titles like "Honorary Spam Forum Owner", or some such. Is that based on the number of posts, and, if so, do you know the breakdown?

Also you guys should note that without me this thread would have died a long long time ago ;)
And yet, somehow, the universe would have gone on.

Let it rest in peace

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BTW, I see these titles like "Honorary Spam Forum Owner", or some such. Is that based on the number of posts, and, if so, do you know the breakdown?
I think you get that one at 10k. I don't know the others.

I don't know if you know or not, but for the benefit of those who may not, 14 words is a neo-nazi slogan; "We must preserve the existance of white people and a future for white children", or a close variation thereof. Its often abbrieviated to merely saying "14 words". Of course, there are a great many phrases that could merely be 14 words...
I did not know that. I now appreciate the irony in your posts. Thanks for the tidbit.

And yet, somehow, the universe would have gone on.

Let it rest in peace

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Agreed no need to continue arguing, you have your views I have mine and nothing will change that.

Maybe you should note that germans treated American captives much better then the Americans treated german pows. As for war crimes against Germany there are too many to list but ill give you a few. The most obvious would be the total destruction of the civilian infrastructure of Germany itself(the culprits in these crimes are the American air force as well as the British royal air force) look up the unessecasry massacre of dresden on the internet. Also as a result of the American lack of proper treatment of german pows a total of 1.7 million germans starved to death in american pow camps. Also dont forget the zionist controlled soviets raping 3 million innocent german women(many of them to death). I would continue but I am busy at the moment. Please take the time to reaserch this topic yourself....
On the front lines, prisoner shootings were common on both sides. However, after Germans got shipped to the States they were treated pretty well, many working as farm hands and the like. Of course there were war crimes. You really can't find a war without war crimes. However, I believe that the Germans commited more war crimes than the Americans. This is not in any way saying the Dresden bombing was acceptable, but it doesn't even compare to the Holocaust, in any way. The extermination of Jews was also unnecessary. So was the Malmedy massacre. Next to nobody starved in American POW camps. You may be thinking of Allied POW camps in general, but of the hunger deaths ~99.99% of them were Soviet. Oh, by the way, Americans != Soviets. And the Soviets were in no way controlled by Zionists.

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't see the last four posts.

Agreed no need to continue arguing, you have your views I have mine and nothing will change that.
Arguing with nazis: bad habit long since given up. I don't intend to restart.

Stop spouting nonsense
Zionist masters indeed!
Your facts are quite flawed

(Haiku)

The truth is, my grandfather was there on D-Day, and he said the beach invasion went exactly as it was portrayed in the movie. I take his word over anyone elses, as I know he was, in fact, there in person.

OK, now I'm going to be an asshole and pull this back on topic.

I can't completely understand the exact complaint about the movie. However, I would merely state that I don't think an unedited R rated movie with the extensive violence and language content of "Saving Private Ryan" should be aired on basic cable. I don't care as long as it isn't on basic cable. You may disagree, feel free. I won't argue it with you. I simply feel that way, and I don't intend to force anyone to agree. I don't think pulling the movie is an insult to American soldiers, because it is being pulled on grounds of appropriateness for the time slot it was marked for. If it was being played starting at 11:00 at night, no one would care. I don't see it as being the same as pulling a documentary. That would be a different issue. However, simply pulling a movie because it might be too violent or risque is a separate issue.

Typical reaction of a zionist zealot.... In any case the american soldiers werent knights in shining armor as the director would want you to believe(both sides of the war committed war crimes)....twit

Source it.

Considering the content on some cable channels at that time slot, I don't think this movie is out of line. This movie is a factual depiction of events during WWII and a graphic history lesson. The gore-fests that air are a waste of brain cells.

The truth is, my grandfather was there on D-Day, and he said the beach invasion went exactly as it was portrayed in the movie. I take his word over anyone elses, as I know he was, in fact, there in person.

OK, now I'm going to be an asshole and pull this back on topic.

I can't completely understand the exact complaint about the movie. However, I would merely state that I don't think an unedited R rated movie with the extensive violence and language content of "Saving Private Ryan" should be aired on basic cable. I don't care as long as it isn't on basic cable. You may disagree, feel free. I won't argue it with you. I simply feel that way, and I don't intend to force anyone to agree. I don't think pulling the movie is an insult to American soldiers, because it is being pulled on grounds of appropriateness for the time slot it was marked for. If it was being played starting at 11:00 at night, no one would care. I don't see it as being the same as pulling a documentary. That would be a different issue. However, simply pulling a movie because it might be too violent or risque is a separate issue.

Also, going over public airwaves.

The better solution would be to air after primetime -- I've seen the movie, and some of the effects are, as they are meant to be, extremely disturbing. I would not want a small child to stumble across it channel surfing.

I have now come to the conclusion that the FCC is just a load of crap. Networks all over the country are going to avoid showing Saving Private Ryan because of the graphic language and violence. If this is the case then why are MTV and VH1 allowed to show anything? I mean its not like a hardcore sexual scene, its just a movie and a good one at that.

Don't forget the FCC censors anime.

While I don't think it ruins the content necessarily, FCC HAS NO RIGHT TO CENSOR MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM!

The FCC is not blocking it. ABC is playing it safe. (They are related to Disney, remember?)

I am thoroughly against censorship, but keep a few things in mind:

a) The FCC does not monitor* broadcasts; they respond to complaints.

b) The few affiliates (not entire networks) that are not running this film are misguided and feel that they will be fined.


*While they may pay more attention to certain persons as opposed to others, the objective of the FCC is to not sit around and jump on someone. They need a complaint first.

"An FCC spokeswoman said Wednesday that the agency does not monitor television broadcasts, but responds to complaints. The agency did receive a complaint after the 2001 broadcast of "Saving Private Ryan," but it was denied, she said."

http://www.comcast.net/News/ENTERTAINMENT//XML/1402_Movies/1540891f-b579-4c64-86fd-6722b68c0478.html

Whatever happened to the good ol days where us kids can watch our violent movies and the morons get weeded out to juvey (sp?) and the rest of us live good lives.

Whatever happened to the good ol days where us kids can watch our violent movies and the morons get weeded out to juvey (sp?) and the rest of us live good lives.
I wish all the morons went to juvey still!

So, fake Hollywood-created violence can't be shown on television but the nightly news can broadcast all the bloodied, dead bodies of people around the world of those who die daily of even more atrocious acts of violence?

So, fake Hollywood-created violence can't be shown on television but the nightly news can broadcast all the bloodied, dead bodies of people around the world of those who die daily of even more atrocious acts of violence?
War supporters don't even want to broadcast that.

So, fake Hollywood-created violence can't be shown on television but the nightly news can broadcast all the bloodied, dead bodies of people around the world of those who die daily of even more atrocious acts of violence?

I think that's because freedom of the press is valuedmore than freedom of expression for artists.

Which is what lets Diana Sawyer do her pron industry exposes, but you'd never get a Siskel and Roper style movie review show for porn.

Pulling a realistic war movie on veteran's day is...embarassing. My younger brother is getting to the age where he is finally opening up to the world and realizing what is going on. He wants to learn about history, and as most boys at that age, military history. The movie provided an excellent way to, on veteran's day, talk to my brother while he connects to what I'm saying through what he's seeing. Besides that, it is simply a kick-ass movie.

Granted I can simply rent the movie for tomorrow, but it saddens me that we can have programs everywhere "honoring" the veterans while politicans rant on about how wonderful they are...and yet the media proclaims our public too fragile to hear "swear words" on channel 4 instead of the usual liberal news. No wonder so many people don't understand war. They can't even see a goddamned movie on it without searching for one at blockbuster.

Saving Private Ryan is a war drama. Horrors of war first, touchy-feely, make-you-feel-good movie never. The movie is meant to show that war is Hell. It's a reality check, and not everyone can take reality.

But do I think that ABC should take it off? No. Its message is more important than censorship (in my eyes). However, I can see their mentality. They have to think in terms of "everyone". And, as previously stated, not everyone wants this movie aired.


Now, there are other fish to fry...

Right-Wing America posts:
O im sorry for not being a conservative that kneels before his zionist masters

(This discussion may be dead, but I'm too enraged by the above statement not to cast in my own 2 cents.)

That statement is blatantly ignorant and offensive. I'm as much for free speech as the next person, but it doesn't mean I'm not going to try and smash your point (whether I do or don't is a matter of opinion).

Now, you say that the Americans also commited war crimes. Were there any cases as bad as killing millions of innocent people? For no reason other than "they're evil!" Searching... Searching... Nope, haven't found anything. Tell me if you dig something up. :rolleyes:

Oh, yes, the Allies did bomb German cities. Then again, the Germans also bombed London, so we have a moot point, there.

Oh, and did I mention that the Germans killed millions of people for no reason other than "they're evil!"?

Is the movie biased towards the Allies? Of course. It's an American perspective, not a German one (as already pointed out).

Were all Germans (specifically Nazis) evil? Absolutely not. Everyone has their "good" and their "evil" side. Ever seen another movie by Steven Spielberg? One called Schindler's List? That's a truly extraordinary example (being a real story and all).

Now, we come to your main argument. Are Jews who are Pro-Israel evil? Absolutely not.

Do you know how many people have tormented the Jews over the ages? Want a rough list of some of the major ones? Okay, here's a brief list:

Egyptians
Babylonians
Persians
Romans
Western Europeans [including the English, the French, the Germans (as the Holy Roman Empire, which also incorporated parts of Austria, Hungary, and Italy), and the Italians during the Crusades (they also destroyed Jewish villages, as well as Muslim)]
Spanish
Russians
The Nazis (and I won't even bother putting down this sub-list of nations)

Righty, then. That's over 8 different civilizations and 4000 years, and that's off the top of my head. And they're still here. I'm sorry, but, if anything, that list alone entitles them to have a land where they don't bug anyone else and nobody bugs them (in my opinion). Have they gotten that land? Yes. Has there been peace in that land since they got it? No. Why? People with attitudes like your own. Good night. :D