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I know thsi topic has been beaten to death probably but what are your views on why their are so many muslims commiting terror attacks. Hers's my theory:

The Muslims have a blind devotion to their leaders and their religion. If the Pope today told all Catholics to commit terrorist actions against Muslims, I think the Catholics would say he is crazy and kick him out of Rome. But if one Cleric sitting in Egypt tells Muslims to kill infidels, they start strappin bombs to themselves and blowing up buses.

Any thoughts?

Yes. It's only the psychotic Muslims that do it. You don't hear about the majority of them, because they don't blow themselves up.

False Christians are worse… infesting the white house with their Unchristian messages of shitting on the poor, Earth and sinners… sorry, got carried away there!…

Yes.. you must realize that the majority of Muslims are not represented by the actions of the terrorists -- nor are the majority of Christians by the person sitting in the White House.

I think that's totally wrong. If the Pope came out and said that all faithful Catholics must commit terrorist acts against Muslims, there would be a great deal heeding his call.

All religions (or the lack of one) spawn terrorists, simply because followers of that religion are either foolish, ignorant, or misled by religious leaders. What is important is to recognize that the religions themselves do not condone attacks on civilian populaces, and that the vast majority of those who follow those religions are peaceful people.

As for why we see more Muslims committing terrorist acts than any other religion at the moment, I can't say. In my opinion, the decentralized nature of Islam (many clerics with sometimes contradictory viewpoints) does not help, but then there is the cultural problem. The Muslim world is coming face-to-face with a growing tide of immorality and atheism, and it terrifies many of their leaders and people (and as we all know, fear can lead to rash actions). Many Western Christians are also facing this tide, but the societies they live in do not lend themselves to becoming more conservative. In the end, the Islamic world may be the last bastion of conservative ideals.

you missed the point. the muslims live in dictatorships, they almost had no acces to information, and they brain washed whole their lifes. in that lifes evrey one could do things like that.
for exemple, take the nazis: they lived in the same conditions and make horrible things without think about, and there wasn't muslims.
if we start to think that the terrorists are different than other humans because their race,religion or genetics, than we wake up some day, and see that the islamic terrorist isn't alone.

you missed the point. the muslims live in dictatorships, they almost had no acces to information, and they brain washed whole their lifes.
Sorry. But thats bull. Real terrorists like the 911 pilots are in it out of their own conviction. They often live unremarkebal lives, apparently integrated in western culture and don't seem to be overly zealouse. They often are highly educated and keep cool untill they are called. If your talking about Palestinian suicide bombers, those are just cannon fodder.

As a Muslim, I can safely say

NO

to such things.

Besides, Islam considers suicide a sin. Especially suicide that kills others. AND ESPECIALLY those who use their power and falsely tell everyone that God wants us to kill the "infidels" by bombing ourselves to kill them all...that's a one-way ticket to hell right there.

Like it's been said earlier, you only hear about the majority. Visit any mosque and listen to the head speak. You'll see him condeming any form of violence and racism in the world. Last I visted, he was speaking about racism and the Nation of Islam.

I know that all religion breeds some stupidity but I dont hear of christians blowing themselves up.

I really doubt that any more than a handful of catholics would follow an order to commit acts of terror.

Sorry. But thats bull. Real terrorists like the 911 pilots are in it out of their own conviction. They often live unremarkebal lives, apparently integrated in western culture and don't seem to be overly zealouse. They often are highly educated and keep cool untill they are called. If your talking about Palestinian suicide bombers, those are just cannon fodder.
they still brain washed. as usual they see too much times "how Israel and USA harmed the arab world", convinced by the terrorist that this is their destiny or so, and then go out and make terror attack.

Last I visted, he was speaking about racism and the Nation of Islam.

Yep, that is about the most rascist group there ever was.

you missed the point. the muslims live in dictatorships, they almost had no acces to information, and they brain washed whole their lifes. in that lifes evrey one could do things like that.

Are they? In the UK, the US, France...?

As for those directly involved in terrorism, don't be deceived -- they have cell phones, access to the internet, and other technology -- how do you think they coordinate their moves?

Underestimating them as uneducated and backward is a very dangerous mistake to make.

Whats the point in debating, when you get people that like to generalize.

E.G " Thats like me saying all Germans our Nazis

Or "All Americans our cowboy-loving, gung ho freaks."


You get my point.....

"There is no cause so great that one cannot find a fool following it." -- Somebody wise said this, I forget who.

The problem is twofold:

You've got the psychoMuslims, who are committing all these bombings and atrocities in the name of their God...

And you've got the "moderate" Muslims, who aren't doing much of anything about it.

Now, when a mass of modearate Muslims come forth and say "In the name of Allah, the compassionate and merciful, we present to you the precise location (or better yet, the head) of the false Muslim, Zarqawi (or Mullah Omar, or BinLaden, any of those would do)," or "here are the locations of all the terrorists we know about" I'll start believing all this "we abhor what they're doing in the name of Allah" talk.

Till then, it's just talk.

Point taken. I'm finding it difficult to actually follow some of the thoughts posted, probably due to language skills, but I can certainly pick up on the tendency to generalize. It's an easy enough trap to fall into. But not helpful in the long run.

Do not worry, it is a mistake many people make. I suppose it is just life :rolleyes:

I have heard one hypthesis that I believe in, Islam has been too (yes) tolerant and liberal. Islam has never had a political crisis like the reformation (now I mostly refer to the english, but the others can applie as well), muslim leaders have always been associated with power and mostly it has suited everyone so noone complains about it. Thus they have absolut power, like the church in the medival times...

First of all, if the pope attempted to exercise any type of authority over me I would laugh hysterically.Then I would defecate all over the popemobile.Then I would scream random obscene blasphemies like:"Jesus jerked off! You know how I know Jesus jerked off? 'cause he had a cock and two balls.You know he jerked that shit man!"And as for these muslims, the reason they are committing terrorist attacks its because they don't like americas foreign policies. Bin Laden said that shit himself. They don't like the fact that america has helped israel kill palestinians and that american soldiers occupy the persian gulf area. Theyre not doing this shit cause someone told them to . They are pissed off about a lot of shit. They don't even have strip clubs in the middle east! Can you believe that shit. If i couldn't slide a rupee down some poor misguided young lady's g-string I would definitely blow some shit up! Instead of sending troops over there we need to send some hookers.
After a couple of rounds with an all-american filthy street walker they will forget all about blowing shit up! I guarantee it my schniggies.

As a Muslim, I can safely say

NO

to such things.

Besides, Islam considers suicide a sin. Especially suicide that kills others. AND ESPECIALLY those who use their power and falsely tell everyone that God wants us to kill the "infidels" by bombing ourselves to kill them all...that's a one-way ticket to hell right there.

Like it's been said earlier, you only hear about the majority. Visit any mosque and listen to the head speak. You'll see him condeming any form of violence and racism in the world. Last I visted, he was speaking about racism and the Nation of Islam.
But still it happens... Why? because many islamic people have too much faith in their institutions and leaders, even when they go against the islamic nature, I refer to my previous post.

First of all, if the pope attempted to exercise any type of authority over me I would laugh hysterically.Then I would defecate all over the popemobile.Then I would scream random obscene blasphemies like:"Jesus jerked off! You know how I know Jesus jerked off? 'cause he had a cock and two balls.You know he jerked that shit man!"And as for these muslims, the reason they are committing terrorist attacks its because they don't like americas foreign policies. Bin Laden said that shit himself. They don't like the fact that america has helped israel kill palestinians and that american soldiers occupy the persian gulf area. Theyre not doing this shit cause someone told them to . They are pissed off about a lot of shit. They don't even have strip clubs in the middle east! Can you believe that shit. If i couldn't slide a rupee down some poor misguided young lady's g-string I would definitely blow some shit up! Instead of sending troops over there we need to send some hookers.
After a couple of rounds with an all-american filthy street walker they will forget all about blowing shit up! I guarantee it my schniggies.
But al-Quida isn't the ordinary islamic terrorists, they leave no ransoms, no warnings and no demands, they just want to destroy, not to achiev.

they still brain washed.
Just keep telling that to yourself.
as usual they see too much times "how Israel and USA harmed the arab world",
And theres of course absolutely no truth to that is there? Talk about brainwashing.
convinced by the terrorist that this is their destiny or so, and then go out and make terror attack.
Actually the most common thing is that they will be rewarded for it in the afterlife. Not that it's beeing their destiny.

But al-Quida isn't the ordinary islamic terrorists, they leave no ransoms, no warnings and no demands, they just want to destroy, not to achiev.
And the destruction of those you view your enemies isn't an achievement?

The reasons Muslims seem to commit more terror attacks is complex.

1. For those who live in the Middle East, brainwashing is the main cause. A few top leaders profit while they send off thousands to die. These leaders control their people through media (Al-Jazeera), and education (madrassas).
2. Muslims live in horrible conditions in the Middle East, and this, along with a feeling of inferiority to the West (every time a western nation defeats a Muslim one, such as the case of Saddam hussein, the entire Muslim population seems to feel defeated) leads to them blaming all of their problems on America and Israel.

The reasons Muslims seem to commit more terror attacks is complex.

1. For those who live in the Middle East, brainwashing is the main cause. A few top leaders profit while they send off thousands to die. These leaders control their people through media (Al-Jazeera), and education (madrassas).
2. Muslims live in horrible conditions in the Middle East, and this, along with a feeling of inferiority to the West (every time a western nation defeats a Muslim one, such as the case of Saddam hussein, the entire Muslim population seems to feel defeated) leads to them blaming all of their problems on America and Israel.

You're saying the reasons 'Musilms seem to commit more terror attacks' is complex, but you've outlined that complexity in two rapidfire points? Get a grip, man.

Never mind the whole 'brainwashing' line, look back at what you said, and with only a very few grammatical alterations, you could be talking about the United States, or any geopolitical region for that matter, including your own.

Generalize at your own peril, dude.

I don't know what all the hype is about. Christian terrorism through-out history has been far worse then Islamic terrorism.

I don't know what all the hype is about. Christian terrorism through-out history has been far worse then Islamic terrorism.
The hype is that we live here and now. ;) That makes it somehow more relevant then what happened throughout history.

The hype is that we live here and now. ;) That makes it somehow more relevant then what happened throughout history.

Ok, fair enough, but are we not just living in a state of Islamic terrorism vs. Christian terrorism now? Call me crazy, but it sure look that way to me!

they still brain washed. as usual they see too much times "how Israel and USA harmed the arab world", convinced by the terrorist that this is their destiny or so, and then go out and make terror attack.

Well, when the U.S.A. and Israel kill a man's family and house, then take everything else he has in these so-called "Accurate" bombing raids, what does he have to live for?

Stephistan, I am talking about right now. Yes the Christian Church used to be terrible. Then they had the reformation and have constantly been getting better. Throughout history Muslims have done these horrible things and show no signs of stopping.

As I said before, Christians do not strap bombs to themselves and blow up Muslim schools or buses because we dont believe in them. Even if you consider the American military over there a christian force (which is rediculous). They do not purposefully attack Muslim civilian targets.

Ok, fair enough, but are we not just living in a state of Islamic terrorism vs. Christian terrorism now? Call me crazy, but it sure look that way to me!
No. We're living in a constant state of Islamic and US terrorism on eachother and the rest of us.

VonWitleben, question: do you think that the palestinian terrorists are the good guys? Do you support their actions?

No. We're living in a constant state of Islamic and US terrorism on eachother and the rest of us.

Okay, that sounds about right.

VonWitleben, question: do you think that the palestinian terrorists are the good guys? Do you support their actions?
I do not support their actions. But I do understand what drives them to it.

I do not support their actions. But I do understand what drives them to it.

Agreed!

I think that's totally wrong. If the Pope came out and said that all faithful Catholics must commit terrorist acts against Muslims, there would be a great deal heeding his call.

Definately. That guy obviously never heard of the Crusades.

you missed the point. the muslims live in dictatorships, they almost had no acces to information, and they brain washed whole their lifes. in that lifes evrey one could do things like that.

Then again, in developed countries people (and the individual) are brainwashed because they have such a vast availability of information, in that they are willing to believe whichever veiwpoint appeals to them be it true or not. Also, in media rich nations, people (and the individual) are eager to believe anyone who seems official on TV and do not bother to question said 'officals'. Thus, one truth can be extracted from it all: People will believe whatever they want to believe (including the individual).

Just remember the difference: people as a whole are ignorant and easily subdued; it is the individual that rulers need to fear. I think thats what the biggest threat of terrorism is. That for the individual to be heard in these terrible circumstances in which their countries (ex. third world opressive dictatorships) are in they need to resort to brash acts to be heard.

Stephistan, I am talking about right now. Yes the Christian Church used to be terrible. Then they had the reformation and have constantly been getting better..
-while the church seems to be getting 'better', has anyone noticed that at this point, atheism in north america is steadily growing?
-christians attack other christians do they not? I mean, I keep hearing about terrorist attacks between Ireland and Britain

-while the church seems to be getting 'better', has anyone noticed that at this point, atheism in north america is steadily growing?
With a ultra rightwing, fundamentalist president? No, not realy.

Stephistan, I am talking about right now. Yes the Christian Church used to be terrible. Then they had the reformation and have constantly been getting better. Throughout history Muslims have done these horrible things and show no signs of stopping.

As I said before, Christians do not strap bombs to themselves and blow up Muslim schools or buses because we dont believe in them. Even if you consider the American military over there a christian force (which is rediculous). They do not purposefully attack Muslim civilian targets.

So your saying the I.R.A have not done things just as bad?..Your generalizing once again.


(Damn I'm tired.... :headbang: )

aaaand rewind.

Exactly what terrorist attacks are you refering to when you say 'so many terrorist attacks'?

What 'terrorist' attacks have there been since 9/11?

How do you define terrorist? (what critirea?)


Just so we're all on the same page...

aaaand rewind.

Exactly what terrorist attacks are you refering to when you say 'so many terrorist attacks'?

What 'terrorist' attacks have there been since 9/11?

How do you define terrorist? (what critirea?)


Just so we're all on the same page...
Well, Madrid comes to mind.

The big problem is the majority of the Muslim world is stuck in the mindset of about 15th century Europe. Think about it. Crusades = Jihad, Warlords = dukes/kings/etc., religious assholes = bishops.

Really, most of them seem to think the sun revolves around the earth. That's an exageration, but look at their culture. Take away TV and automatic weapons and you have the Middle Ages.