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It has been anounced that Yasser Arafat has passed away at 75!

Though I did not like him, my thoughts and prayers from this American does go out to his family.

Also, I pray that peace can happen in the Middle East and I hope that this doesn't turn into a bloodbath.

Associated Press and Reuters have reported on this!

The minute I have a link, I will post them!

So...

In order to make light of a serious topic without bringing up Arafat's past in yet another thread...

I have to ask...

Do you think Arafat got his 71 virgins?

Well, i would agree with you on the idea of peace, no matter how far-fetched ... and condolences for his family, as patient as they were ...
i heard however he was a pedophile, and if so, i hope they bury him face-down so those who had to accomodate him as such can pay their final respects.

AH! Beat me to it :)

I also hope things settle down in Palestine. Was he a major factor to the occurrance of violence?

Sadly the power struggle that seems to be brewing might cause some trouble. I doubt it will come to violence but the middle east needs MORE stability, not less.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=PYA3YUWESEBZWCRBAEOCFFA?type=topNews&storyID=6779761&section=news

CNN has it on their Breaking News Banner!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6402008/

Well, i would agree with you on the idea of peace, no matter how far-fetched ... and condolences for his family, as patient as they were ...
i heard however he was a pedophile, and if so, i hope they bury him face-down so those who had to accomodate him as such can pay their final respects.

Pedophile??

Are you sure that wasn't just a nasty rumour Israel was spreading?

*Dances a jig in the street*

Never did like that guy for some reason. I think it may be because he organised suicide bombings killing schoolchildren just trying to live their lives as well as training schoolchildren to commit suicide for his "crusade".

I just hope that this whole thing does not blow up!

I'm hoping that peace can be achieved but someone is going to have to reign in Hamas and Al Aqsa Marters Brigade and the rest of them. I don't think anyone can do that.

On the brightside of this however, Arafat did die of something other than an assassination. That is a plus no matter how you look at him dying.

Don't you mean 71 Virginians?

If you watch Robin Williams you'll get what I meant.

Do you think Arafat got his 71 virgins?

I think he has to die a martyr to get that. Not old age.

Don't you mean 71 Virginians?

If you watch Robin Williams you'll get what I meant.

I did, and I do.

Or 71 Virgils. :)

Gee, my heart goes out to the guy. After all, his life was such a rich tapestry of accomplishment:
Perfecting the art of brainwashing teenagers and sending them out to die as suicide bombers to kill innocent civilians.

Masterminding or personally participating in numerous acts of terrorism.

Embezzling millions, if not billions of dollars of foreign aid for himself, while the people he purported to lead are in desperate poverty.

Ah, we have lost a shining beacon of light in this century of darkness.

Gee, my heart goes out to the guy. After all, his life was such a rich tapestry of accomplishment:
Perfecting the art of brainwashing teenagers and sending them out to die as suicide bombers to kill innocent civilians.

Masterminding or personally participating in numerous acts of terrorism.

Embezzling millions, if not billions of dollars of foreign aid for himself, while the people he purported to lead are in desperate poverty.

Ah, we have lost a shining beacon of light in this century of darkness.Thank you for your wonderful words.

The Palestinian garden gnome is dead. Long live peace in Israel. Ice Cream cake for everyone. :) :) :) :) :)

Now if sharon would kick the bucket then amybe there can be some sort of normalization of relations

President Yasser Arafat is a good man. He has contributed a lot for all people seeking freedom from oppression and occupation worldwide. He will be remembered kindly.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/images/0222-01.jpg

President Yasser Arafat is a good man. He has contributed a lot for all people seeking freedom from oppression and occupation worldwide. He will be remembered kindly.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/images/0222-01.jpg
Not by anyone who doesn't like murderers or thieves.

President Yasser Arafat is a good man. He has contributed a lot for all people seeking freedom from oppression and occupation worldwide. He will be remembered kindly.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/images/0222-01.jpg

As much as you think he was a good man, he was in some regards, however, he'll be remembered for not taking the peace accord that would've given the Palistinians most of the land back.

Not by anyone who doesn't like murderers or thieves.

When freedom fighters are against US allies they suddenly become "thieves and murderers" but when they fight for the US they are called "resistance fighters", "freedom fighters", and "freedom seekers." Give me a break.

President Yasser Arafat is a good man. He has contributed a lot for all people seeking freedom from oppression and occupation worldwide. He will be remembered kindly.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/images/0222-01.jpg :rolleyes:
Arafat was a terrorist, a thief, a child murderer, and and all around scumbag. He will be remembered as such.

http://www.wunderkinder.org/archives/arafat-saddam-1980.jpe

As much as you think he was a good man, he was in some regards, however, he'll be remembered for not taking the peace accord that would've given the Palistinians most of the land back.

And you're talking about Camp David, I'm sure? Well, obviously you have no idea what it was.

Palestinian territory would be divided into 'A', 'B', "C' zones, with the settlements remaining and the majority of fertile territory in the West Bank taken by Israel and in return desert land would be given. Electricity, bypass roads, and water would remain under the control of Israel. The borders would remain under the control of Israel. Israeli troops could move throughout the West Bank and Gaza at will. What type of state is this?!

Edit: Forgot to explain what the zones were. 'A' would be under full Palestinian control (civil, military). 'B' would be Palestinian civil and Israeli military, and 'C' would be full Israeli control (civil and military)

And you're talking about Camp David, I'm sure? Well, obviously you have no idea what it was.

Palestinian territory would be divided into 'A', 'B', "C' zones, with the settlements remaining and the majority of fertile territory in the West Bank taken by Israel and in return desert land would be given. Electricity, bypass roads, and water would remain under the control of Israel. The borders would remain under the control of Israel. Israeli troops could move throughout the West Bank and Gaza at will. What type of state is this?!

Edit: Forgot to explain what the zones were. 'A' would be under full Palestinian control (civil, military). 'B' would be Palestinian civil and Israeli military, and 'C' would be full Israeli control (civil and military)

I do know what the Camp David Accord was. Everyone was stunned that Arafat turned it down. It had to be one of the most dumbest things he's done.

Don't assume that I don't know what it was about Anbar. Your an arab I'm guessing and you don't want Israel to exist judging by a few of your posts. I could be wrong and if I am I shall apologize.

Now if sharon would kick the bucket then amybe there can be some sort of normalization of relations

Inshallah.

To the normalization, that is. If that could happen with Sharon still around, then God bless him. But I don't think it will, sadly.

Perhaps this will at least mean that Sharon can't blame Arafat anymore. Perhaps.

When freedom fighters are against US allies they suddenly become "thieves and murderers" but when they fight for the US they are called "resistance fighters", "freedom fighters", and "freedom seekers." Give me a break.
Freedom fighters!!!? I don't recall the last US campaign where we sent in the suicide bomber squadron. He was personally responsible for perfecting that "art". He targeted civilians. He embezzled money. He turned down a deal where he would have gotten 90% of the land he wanted, starting the intifada. You can be a freedom fighter without murdering civilians and sending your children out to die; he chose to do just that.

Thank God that bastard is dead and can now rot in Hell where he belongs. Now there will actually be a chance for peace is Mahmoud Abbas takes over. I bet there would be a much more stable situation in the MidEast if that Arafat bastard didn't undermine Abbas because he was actually making progress for peace.

Arafat is now in Hell and burning in agonizing pain for his crimes. He had his chance to redeem himself at Camp David and chose not to.

I do know what the Camp David Accord was. Everyone was stunned that Arafat turned it down. It had to be one of the most dumbest things he's done.

Don't assume that I don't know what it was about Anbar. Your an arab I'm guessing and you don't want Israel to exist judging by a few of your posts. I could be wrong and if I am I shall apologize.

Arafat would have been dumb to accept such a stupid plan as that. That was not a state.

Secondly, no, I'm not Arab or a Muslim.

Thirdly, I hate religious fanatics. All this time Israel had been hoping that he die and now that he has, I bet they are going to regret it and wish that he was back. Religious fanatics like Hizbullah and Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad will take over. Before all of this started, an alliance of Iranians, Hizbullah and al Qaida were already starting to oust Arafat as per this article: http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=10957 Now you are going to have all these really religious fanatics running around.

Freedom fighters!!!? I don't recall the last US campaign where we sent in the suicide bomber squadron.

*cough* Afghanistan */cough*

Oh wait, they just trained terrorists and suicide bombers later. Totally different.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee are the champions, my friend! And weeeeeeee'lll keep on fiiiiiiiiiightin' 'til the end! 'Cause we are the champions! We are the champions! No time for losers 'cause we are the champions of the wooooooooooooooooooooooooorld!

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee are the champions, my friend! And weeeeeeee'lll keep on fiiiiiiiiiightin' 'til the end! 'Cause we are the champions! We are the champions! No time for losers 'cause we are the champions of the wooooooooooooooooooooooooorld!

Or at leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeast of a postage staaaaaaamp, of laaa-aaand...
A culturally-significant but oil-less strip, of saaaaaaa-aaand....

*cough* Afghanistan */cough*

Oh wait, they just trained terrorists and suicide bombers later. Totally different.
The US trained the mujahadeen (forgive my spelling) using standard military tactics. Show me the source where we trained them to blow themselves up, to send their kids in to kill civilians, etc. Are you saying that once we associate with a group, we are forever responsible for any subsequent actions they take?

Arafat would have been dumb to accept such a stupid plan as that. That was not a state.

It would've helped them attain a state. Don't you understand that concept? That would've gone along way in establishing a state of Palestine and Arafat turned it down. You don't understand that.

Secondly, no, I'm not Arab or a Muslim.

Then I apoligize for that!

Thirdly, I hate religious fanatics. All this time Israel had been hoping that he die and now that he has, I bet they are going to regret it and wish that he was back. Religious fanatics like Hizbullah and Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad will take over. Before all of this started, an alliance of Iranians, Hizbullah and al Qaida were already starting to oust Arafat as per this article: http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=10957 Now you are going to have all these really religious fanatics running around.

I am not a religious fanatic and I despised the man but I am glad that he died of natural causes and NOT an assassination. If you want to talk Religious Fanatics, the islamic ones are going to attempt to take over the PA and then you can kiss the Middle East good bye because Israel will retaliate if attacked directly. Hell they've been attacking after each terrorist act. Something that Arafat never controlled nor do I think he wanted too because he never liked Israel.

I am not a religious fanatic and I despised the man but I am glad that he died of natural causes and NOT an assassination. If you want to talk Religious Fanatics, the islamic ones are going to attempt to take over the PA and then you can kiss the Middle East good bye because Israel will retaliate if attacked directly. Hell they've been attacking after each terrorist act. Something that Arafat never controlled nor do I think he wanted too because he never liked Israel.

Uh, Arafat wasn't a religious fanatic and was quite secular. What I am saying is that the religious fanatics will now TAKE OVER the Palestinian Authority and everything else. This is bad.

The US trained the mujahadeen (forgive my spelling) using standard military tactics. Show me the source where we trained them to blow themselves up, to send their kids in to kill civilians, etc. Are you saying that once we associate with a group, we are forever responsible for any subsequent actions they take?

Fair enough. Actually, some of the tactics the mujahideen used were pretty badass-- I remember reading in a gov't publication once about a group of 'em sneaking up to a Soviet radar installation dressed up as a group of shepherds and sheep (yes, some of 'em dressed as sheep, or riding underneath sheep). They came up against the fence in disguise, cut the wires (the Soviets assumed they were harmless) and charged in, guns blazing. Flippin' geniuses.

And while I wouldn't say we're necessarily morally or politically responsible for their actions, we sure do have to deal with them somehow. It's like the atom bomb-- sometimes you create a weapon that you need at the time, but it comes around to bite you in the ass later.

Uh, Arafat wasn't a religious fanatic and was quite secular. What I am saying is that the religious fanatics will now TAKE OVER the Palestinian Authority and everything else. This is bad.

On this I will agree with you to a point! Religious fanatics taking over will be bad and I fear that'll happen.

Arafat would have been dumb to accept such a stupid plan as that. That was not a state.

Secondly, no, I'm not Arab or a Muslim.

Thirdly, I hate religious fanatics. All this time Israel had been hoping that he die and now that he has, I bet they are going to regret it and wish that he was back. Religious fanatics like Hizbullah and Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad will take over. Before all of this started, an alliance of Iranians, Hizbullah and al Qaida were already starting to oust Arafat as per this article: http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=10957 Now you are going to have all these really religious fanatics running around.

No, he did not accept it because he did not want a peace time solution. He wanted all of the West Bank and Gaza as well. As for who is taking over right now, it is two of Arafat's closest men. They were his seconds for many years and they are expected to take over. If any fighting breaks out between those extremist fanatics and anyone else, it might just be the Palestinians because they want the land. I read over that article a bit and it appears that they do have a base of operations there, but none such as to really become the power there for a while.

As for Arafat himself... thank God he is dead and rotting. All that man ever did was create a nation of terrorists. Teaching fathers to hate Israel and never to take peace with them, and the fathers he taught shall teach their sons the ways to be martyrs(sp). He did not fight any kind of holy war if you ask me, he was a murderous dictator who only used his people as bombs to kill innocents. No holy war when you kill children, just outright murder.

No, he did not accept it because he did not want a peace time solution. He wanted all of the West Bank and Gaza as well. As for who is taking over right now, it is two of Arafat's closest men. They were his seconds for many years and they are expected to take over. If any fighting breaks out between those extremist fanatics and anyone else, it might just be the Palestinians because they want the land. I read over that article a bit and it appears that they do have a base of operations there, but none such as to really become the power there for a while.

As for Arafat himself... thank God he is dead and rotting. All that man ever did was create a nation of terrorists. Teaching fathers to hate Israel and never to take peace with them, and the fathers he taught shall teach their sons the ways to be martyrs(sp). He did not fight any kind of holy war if you ask me, he was a murderous dictator who only used his people as bombs to kill innocents. No holy war when you kill children, just outright murder.
Amen to that (in a strictly secular sense, of course).

Hooray!

My only regret about this mans death is that it wasnt alot sooner.

I give him a rating of 64 out of 71 virgins.

:eek: OMG! That's it! The rating system for the next millenia!

Israel said there could be "no peace" with Arafat around. I wonder if things will improve with Hamas running the show...of course, Hamas is worse.

That said, I believe Arafat had his chance and failed. Sure, he was handcuffed by fanatics on his own side, just as every Israeli PM has been by wackos from Israel (Yitzhak Rabin's assassination comes to mind) but if Israel refused to negotiate with him, he did something wrong.

Bout time that goddamn camel bastard died! He's killed thousands of people over the course of his life time. Good ridence! One less terrorist in the world! May he be damned. Arafat is probably in hell right now where he belongs.

Praise the lord he's finally dead!

Arafat to the Israelis is like Bin-Laden is to us Americans.

Hell this son of a bitch died about 75 years too late anyways. May he rot in hell.

:sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

I give him a rating of 64 out of 71 virgins.

:eek: OMG! That's it! The rating system for the next millenia!
If there's any justice at all in the afterlife, I hope he gets put in a jail cell with 71 "Bubbas".

I am very saddened by his death. I can barely realise that this is true. Oh God.....God have mercy on the Palestinian people.

I am very saddened by his death. I can barely realise that this is true. Oh God.....God have mercy on the Palestinian people.
Yes Lord, and bless those who blew themselves up on the Israeli buses.
Comfort those who targeted Israeli schools and school children.
And Lord, may the interest rates be high on the moneys collected for your Palestinian people that I kept for myself.
Amen.

Regardless of what type of man people think Arafat was, I offer my condolences to those who mourn his loss, and I hope this event can bring some peace between Israel and Palestine.

I totally regret that piece of shit di9ed before I cvould piss down his throat. He wasn't worthy to lick a dog's shitcaked asshole. I wish he'd passed a few stones as he went into a coma and was met in his afterlife by a pack of drowned and rotting whores. Arafat was nothing more than a terrorist shitbag and hopefully his family dies too. God I wish I had missile to hit whatever French sewer was harboring the rest of that parasitic filth!

Just kidding, he was a peace maker and a moral embassador for the entire arab people.

Just kidding, he was a peace maker and a moral embassador for the entire arab people.
Did you vote for the 87 billion before you voted against it?

Actually yes, but in the end it was Kerry got my vote. :)

Actually yes, but in the end it was Kerry got my vote. :)
Which end? :D

Worst Palestinian Ever!!!!

I am very saddened by his death. I can barely realise that this is true. Oh God.....God have mercy on the Palestinian people.
That better have been sarcastic.
Yes, have mercy on the poor terrorists who blew up a pool hall in Rishon, killing 16 people. He didn't mean to, it was an accident, he bumped into a pool table which ignited the explosives. Same for all the other poor suicide bombers. :rolleyes:

Praise Hamas, the great people who are fighting for their state by blowing up school kids. Praise Arafat, a great man, and very rich, I don't know how he got the money, but it MUST have been through legal means. He wouldn't break the law... would he?:rolleyes:
Hell is too good for that scumbag.

The end from which he deserved it. I wiped my ass with the fucking ballot.
:D

That better have been sarcastic.
Yes, have mercy on the poor terrorists who blew up a pool hall in Rishon, killing 16 people. He didn't mean to, it was an accident, he bumped into a pool table which ignited the explosives. Same for all the other poor suicide bombers. :rolleyes:

Praise Hamas, the great people who are fighting for their state by blowing up school kids. Praise Arafat, a great man, and very rich, I don't know how he got the money, but it MUST have been through legal means. He wouldn't break the law... would he?:rolleyes:
Hell is too good for that scumbag.
Are you as shocked as I am that people actually revere this murderer and petty thief as a great man of peace? How can people be so deluded?

All expletives I say on this thread are brought to you by my sponsor: Wine out of a box. Not only am I drinking it, but after using Arafat and moral in the same sentence I had to shower in it to wash away the dirty feeling...

The end from which he deserved it. I wiped my ass with the fucking ballot.
:D
Oh, the humanity! :D

Are you as shocked as I am that people actually revere this murderer and petty thief as a great man of peace? How can people be so deluded?
This site is full of people who revere terrorists and despise those who eliminate terrorists.

Are you as shocked as I am that people actually revere this murderer and petty thief as a great man of peace? How can people be so deluded?

And I bet they're on the flip side of the coin asking how you could not see him as a man of peace...

I do believe the handle "All the Germans" said it all. Wonder what "All the French" has to say?

This site is full of people who revere terrorists and despise those who eliminate terrorists.
I knew that the majority were liberals or progressives, but I didn't expect them to be THAT misguided. I can understand honest disagreement on the war in Iraq, social policies, etc, but to hold one of the world's most notorious terrorists up as a hero? What is going on here?

I knew that the majority were liberals or progressives, but I didn't expect them to be THAT misguided. I can understand honest disagreement on the war in Iraq, social policies, etc, but to hold one of the world's most notorious terrorists up as a hero? What is going on here? :)

I do believe the handle "All the Germans" said it all. Wonder what "All the French" has to say?
From the Selgin newswire service: French government officials complaining "Where do we get our bribe money from now?".

I'm fairly liberal, but Arafat should have died of somethinmg more befitting a man of his character. Rectal tumors being sucked on by leeches would have been appropriate.

From the Selgin newswire service: French government officials complaining "Where do we get our bribe money from now?".

Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran, Syria. Did I miss any?

And I bet they're on the flip side of the coin asking how you could not see him as a man of peace...
There is no flip side for someone who sends teenagers to kill civilians with bombs strapped around their waist!!! There is no flip side for someone responsible for multiple airplane hijackings, once again TARGETING CIVILIANS. I don't recall the last time any industrialized Western Nation sent in its teenage suicide bomber squadron to attack any Middle Eastern nation.

Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran, Syria. Did I miss any?
I stand corrected. :)

I think I'll be heading to Ramallah soon so I can piss on his grave.

Oddly enough, it has been overcast here for about 2 weeks and the sun came out this morning. Damn I am in a good mood. :D

I think I'll be heading to Ramallah soon so I can piss on his grave.
I get first dibs!

I'm off to dance in the streets! (just like the Palestinians did on 9/11)

I for one admired Arafat. I know he used terrorist actions in his early years and I don't say that it was ok. However later in life these are not the tactics he used and became a real peacemaker. He tried, sadly Yitzhak Rabin was killed by his own people so it pretty much brought the peace process to an end. Had Yitzhak Rabin not been killed by an Israeli, peace might have come to Palestine and Israel.

I predict, that what will come after Arafat will be violent and dangerous, I believe what will come after Arafat will have both Palestine and Israel wishing for Arafat back.

Sad day folks... :(

There is no flip side for someone who sends teenagers to kill civilians with bombs strapped around their waist!!! There is no flip side for someone responsible for multiple airplane hijackings, once again TARGETING CIVILIANS. I don't recall the last time any industrialized Western Nation sent in its teenage suicide bomber squadron to attack any Middle Eastern nation.

Actually that's a good idea. We should give our convicts a few old guns and airlift them into Syria.

I'm off to dance in the streets! (just like the Palestinians did on 9/11)
Funny how nobody seems to remember that little detail . . .
Oh, I forgot, 9/11 was our fault. As Bill Maher would say "We are the terrorists".

I'm fairly liberal, but Arafat should have died of somethinmg more befitting a man of his character. Rectal tumors being sucked on by leeches would have been appropriate.

There's a rumor he died of AIDS which he contracted from his bodyguards (KGB allegedly had some intimate tapes of their extracurricular activities).

I for one admired Arafat. I know he used terrorist actions in his early years and I don't say that it was ok. However later in life these are not the tactics he used and became a real peacemaker.
Sad day folks... :(

Early in his life was 4 years ago? Given that timeline Arafat became a peacemaker when he slipped into a coma. Makes sense to me.

I for one admired Arafat. I know he used terrorist actions in his early years and I don't say that it was ok. However later in life these are not the tactics he used and became a real peacemaker. He tried, sadly Yitzhak Rabin was killed by his own people so it pretty much brought the peace process to an end. Had Yitzhak Rabin not been killed by an Israeli, peace might have come to Palestine and Israel.

I predict, that what will come after Arafat will be violent and dangerous, I believe what will come after Arafat will have both Palestine and Israel wishing for Arafat back.

Sad day folks... :(
I very much doubt he had no hand in the intifada, after he turned down the best peace deal he could have ever hoped for. Plus he kept for himself and his cronies much of the foreign aid sent for humanitarion relief for his own people. And what's a few terrorist killings between friends, as long as you can cozy up to the Germans and the French afterwards and portray yourself as a "man of peace". Just what peace did he ever create, by the way?

Funny how nobody seems to remember that little detail . . .

That's because Arafat immediately threatened Reuters with extreme violence and pressured them into pulling all their relevant pictures from the Internet.

There is no flip side for someone who sends teenagers to kill civilians with bombs strapped around their waist!!! There is no flip side for someone responsible for multiple airplane hijackings, once again TARGETING CIVILIANS. I don't recall the last time any industrialized Western Nation sent in its teenage suicide bomber squadron to attack any Middle Eastern nation.

Ask those that mourn his death, and they'll tell you there's a flip side of the coin. You're just biased, that's all.

There's a rumor he died of AIDS which he contracted from his bodyguards (KGB allegedly had some intimate tapes of their extracurricular activities).
Which goes back to my theory that he should get, according to Selgin writings and theology, 71 Bubbas in a jail cell. And a bar of soap . . .

Funny how nobody seems to remember that little detail . . .
Oh, I forgot, 9/11 was our fault. As Bill Maher would say "We are the terrorists".

Of course Maher is waiting for lab rats and bunnies at cosmetic testing facilities to build bombs and demand their own country. If that ever happens we can recruit the services of the Hmong to quell that rebellion. :p

Ask those that mourn his death, and they'll tell you there's a flip side of the coin. You're just biased, that's all.

Ya know, a lot of people mourned Hitler's death as well. Stalin's too (hundreds of people actually died in a stampede at his funeral - I hope the same happens at Arafat's funeral).

Ask those that mourn his death, and they'll tell you there's a flip side of the coin. You're just biased, that's all.
I am biased, but I am also intelligent enough to know that he is, in point of fact, a murderer. He deliberately killed people, and not just Israeli military, but innocent civilians. He deliberately sent children armed with bombs around their waists to kill more innocent civilians. And he stole money intended for humanitarian aid and kept it for himself and his cronies. Is any of this getting thru to you?! Or is this acceptable behavior because, in his later years, he appeared to be some sort of facsimile of a "man of peace". Or maybe it is because he is part of the liberal elite, and thus immune to the moral indignation of us lesser minds?

Oh, I forgot, 9/11 was our fault. As Bill Maher would say "We are the terrorists".

That is not totally untrue.

Ask those that mourn his death, and they'll tell you there's a flip side of the coin. You're just biased, that's all.
Yeah I'm biased. I also hate child molesters. Same difference.

Arafat was the Arch terrorist of the "Palestinians." One less terrorist is now alive. But I wish he'd been killed about 75 years earlier. In any case, he's in hell with his camel god and his 72 camels.

Neither Arafat, nor anyone in the PA is worth talking to. They're all terrorists and they all should be disregarded and replaced by a moderate secular regime there. Then we can negotiate. Until then, Israel should only :sniper:

Yeah I'm biased. I also hate child molesters. Same difference.

Israel wasn't exactly innocent in all this.. I admire Arafat, he did what perhaps no other could of done for the Palestine people. Respect the man for he was a great leader to his people. I will not allow people to spit on this man's grave.

That is not totally untrue.
That's got to be one of the most obtuse, Kerryesque statements I've ever seen. Translation, please?

Ya know, a lot of people mourned Hitler's death as well. Stalin's too (hundreds of people actually died in a stampede at his funeral - I hope the same happens at Arafat's funeral).

Good to see people preaching that violence begets violence.

I am biased, but I am also intelligent enough to know that he is, in point of fact, a murderer.

And, there are people out there that would tell you that he is not, that's the point I'm making; your viewpoint doesn't make him a good or evil person in everyone's eyes.

Yeah I'm biased. I also hate child molesters. Same difference.

I'd argue differently that there's quite a bit of difference between Yasser Arafat and a child molester.

Israel wasn't exactly innocent in all this.. I admire Arafat, he did what perhaps no other could of done for the Palestine people. Respect the man for he was a great leader to his people. I will not allow people to spit on this man's grave.

If I was in Canada right now, I'd offer to take you out and buy you a drink. :p

NSA has tapes of phone conversations in which Arafat orders murder of two American diplomats in Sudan. Incidentally, he's the only person history to make a speech at the UN while wearing a holster with a gun on his side (not that there's anything wrong with wearing a holster with a gun - I do it once in while - but I never tried to go to the UN like that).

NSA has tapes of phone conversations in which Arafat orders murder of two American diplomats in Sudan. Incidentally, he's the only person history to make a speech at the UN while wearing a holster with a gun on his side (not that there's anything wrong with wearing a holster with a gun - I do it once in while - but I never tried to go to the UN like that).

Your point?

RIP Yasser Arafat.

Whatever you did, you did it for your people.

If Arafat had gained true Palestinian independence, then he would be another Nelson Mandela. But sometimes things don't work out the way they are supposed to.

Hopefully, the Palestinians will find someone to unite them as Yasser did, and to continue the struggle for self-determination.

It's a just cause, after all. Every people deserves its own state.

Israel wasn't exactly innocent in all this.. I admire Arafat, he did what perhaps no other could of done for the Palestine people. Respect the man for he was a great leader to his people. I will not allow people to spit on this man's grave.
You will not allow?!!!! Do you know the history of this man? Read some of the posts in this thread as to the rich life he led, killing civilians, robbing from the mouths of his own people, etc. Do you deny he did these things? If you do, you are nuts: the evidence is overwhelming. If you don't, and still revere him, you've got the strangest set of values I've ever seen.

Israel wasn't exactly innocent in all this.. I admire Arafat, he did what perhaps no other could of done for the Palestine people. Respect the man for he was a great leader to his people. I will not allow people to spit on this man's grave.

All meet you in Ramallah. Try to stop me.

RIP Yasser Arafat.

Whatever you did, you did it for your people.

If Arafat had gained true Palestinian independence, then he would be another Nelson Mandela. But sometimes things don't work out the way they are supposed to.

Hopefully, the Palestinians will find someone to unite them as Yasser did, and to continue the struggle for self-determination.

It's a just cause, after all. Every people deserves its own state.
What's a few targeted civilian deaths caused by teenage suicide bombers, embezzlements, corruption between friends, as long as it is for a good cause?

Good to see people preaching that violence begets violence.

There's nothing wrong with violence per se - in fact a lot of problems can only be solved with violence. Oh, and violence does not actually beget violence - usually violence ENDS violence.

That's got to be one of the most obtuse, Kerryesque statements I've ever seen. Translation, please?

Back to the first statement, yes, the Americans were the first terrorists since WWII. Deal with it.

Back to the first statement, yes, the Americans were the first terrorists since WWII. Deal with it.
Deal with what? You just made a statement with no evidence to back it up.

I'd argue differently that there's quite a bit of difference between Yasser Arafat and a child molester.

Sure, most child molesters take fewer innocent lives.

If you don't, and still revere him, you've got the strangest set of values I've ever seen.

Me, personally, cannot tell you one way or another if Yasser Arafat good or evil, because that's left up to the people that knew him best, not someone who reads the newspaper every morning.

There's good and evil in everyone, life is not black and white, as some of you are painting this picture to hang.

[QUOTE=Tuesday Heights]Good to see people preaching that violence begets violence.

If the violence begets more violence then you didn't kill enough of your enemies. :sniper:

Me, personally, cannot tell you one way or another if Yasser Arafat good or evil, because that's left up to the people that knew him best, not someone who reads the newspaper every morning.

There's good and evil in everyone, life is not black and white, as some of you are painting this picture to hang.

Yeah, right. And Hitler was a vegetarian with really nice blue eyes...

Back to the first statement, yes, the Americans were the first terrorists since WWII. Deal with it.
And let's say that you are right (and you most certainly are NOT), and America is the world's greatest terrorist. Does that make Yasser Arafat's actions any less reprehensible? If, say, Germany invaded Jordan, then sent suicide bombers into Syria, that would make Germany a terrorist state, but does that change the fact that Yasser committed so many atrocities? Does it morally justify his actions?

Deal with what? You just made a statement with no evidence to back it up.

I don't know how old you are, perhaps read some of Noam Chomsky and you might just get it. There is plenty of evidence to back it up!

There's nothing wrong with violence per se - in fact a lot of problems can only be solved with violence. Oh, and violence does not actually beget violence - usually violence ENDS violence.

Violence hardly ever ends violence, only peace can end violence, it may take time, but it works. Ask Ghandi.

Yeah, right. And Hitler was a vegetarian with really nice blue eyes...

Hilter was a genius, a mad genius, but nevertheless, the man was brillant.

And let's say that you are right (and you most certainly are NOT), and America is the world's greatest terrorist. Does that make Yasser Arafat's actions any less reprehensible? If, say, Germany invaded Jordan, then sent suicide bombers into Syria, that would make Germany a terrorist state, but does that change the fact that Yasser committed so many atrocities? Does it morally justify his actions?

I say that Arafat didn't use any tactics that the Israeli's did not use, probably less. Israel has been taken to task for their actions many times, the only and I mean the ONLY reason they've gotten away with it has been via American veto power... so spare me!

Me, personally, cannot tell you one way or another if Yasser Arafat good or evil, because that's left up to the people that knew him best, not someone who reads the newspaper every morning.

There's good and evil in everyone, life is not black and white, as some of you are painting this picture to hang.
So, what would it take to convince you someone was evil? There are videos on the internet of terrorists gradually sawing off the head of an innocent man as he is screaming in pain. Would that be evil enough for you? Or maybe the terrorists had a bad childhood, which caused them to be the way they are. Good God, man, show some intelligent judgement! There are more than enough factual accounts of his actions to make an intelligent judgement about him. Fact: someone murders innocent people, that person is a murderer. Fact: someone sends children to blow themselves up to kill innocent people, that person is evil. Fact: Someone takes money meant for humanitarian aid for themselves, that person is evil.

What's a few targeted civilian deaths caused by teenage suicide bombers, embezzlements, corruption between friends, as long as it is for a good cause?

I guess Israel's forced removal of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their land means nothing to you. That millions of Palestinians - their descendants - are excluded from Israel to this day.

Or Israel's policy of taking out Palestinian terrorists with no regard to how many innocent civilians are killed in the process.

That America sees Israel as "good" and the Palestinians as "bad" doesn't mean that everyone has to accept the propaganda.

Did he die naturally or was his life support terminated?

(Not that I'm saying terminating life support is an unnatural death, it's just I needed to distinguish between the two)

I don't know how old you are, perhaps read some of Noam Chomsky and you might just get it. There is plenty of evidence to back it up!
What does a 20th century philosopher have to do with anything? If you make a blanket statement, you need to provide evidence to back it up. I'm still waiting.

Appeal to an alleged authority. And who were Chomsky's sources about the third world connaction and all that shit? Wait, they were the same guys who used torture and rape to combat the guys we backed to do the same thing during the cold war.

I guess Israel's forced removal of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their land means nothing to you. That millions of Palestinians - their descendants - are excluded from Israel to this day.

Or Israel's policy of taking out Palestinian terrorists with no regard to how many innocent civilians are killed in the process.

That America sees Israel as "good" and the Palestinians as "bad" doesn't mean that everyone has to accept the propaganda.
I didn't say it meant nothing to me. I am commenting on the character of a terrorist whom some here seem to revere as a hero. Whether Israel, America, Europe, or Annie Get Your Gun did similar things is beside the point. The deeds themselves are morally reprehensible, and not to be admired.

Pedophile??

Are you sure that wasn't just a nasty rumour Israel was spreading?

Israel wouldn't spread a rumor like that. But hey thanks for jumping to the conclusion that Israel is saying that. People always blame Israel, nothing new.

What does a 20th century philosopher have to do with anything? If you make a blanket statement, you need to provide evidence to back it up. I'm still waiting.

I have nothing to prove... I have witnessed the last 30 years... I owe you nothing, do your own research. Just don't think you're so right because of a bias. look at the facts is all I ask. Arafat was a great man, not as a terrorist as in his early days, but as the peacemaker that Israel blocked in his later days. I know far more about the situation then you do obviously, do your homework and get back to me!

So, what would it take to convince you someone was evil?

Nothing you're presenting.

I come to my own conclusions on anything like this, because that's the type of person I am as per my journalistic integrity and values.

There are videos on the internet of terrorists gradually sawing off the head of an innocent man as he is screaming in pain. Would that be evil enough for you?

Nope, it wouldn't be. I don't believe the internet.

Or maybe the terrorists had a bad childhood, which caused them to be the way they are. Good God, woman, show some intelligent judgement!

My emphasis.

I do have intelligence, I'm intelligent enough to know that things aren't simply defined by good and bad alone. Both sides believe they are in the right, the other in the wrong, that's been all I've been pointing out this whole time. Both sides in this saga have committed atrocities that are horrible. Both sides.

There are more than enough factual accounts of his actions to make an intelligent judgement about him. Fact: someone murders innocent people, that person is a murderer. Fact: someone sends children to blow themselves up to kill innocent people, that person is evil. Fact: Someone takes money meant for humanitarian aid for themselves, that person is evil.

I see no sources documented to your "facts," therefore, I assume they are opinions.

I did not post in this thread to judge Mr. Arafat, simply to point out that people are going to mourn him - as is their right - and who are you to sit here and judge a man you neither knew but only read about on the internet or in a newspaper when millions believe he was a martyr for freedom and peace.

Yasar Arafat is dead indeed.

This will not end well.

What does a 20th century philosopher have to do with anything? If you make a blanket statement, you need to provide evidence to back it up. I'm still waiting.

And she'll be waiting for you to read Chomsky.

I guess Israel's forced removal of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their land means nothing to you. That millions of Palestinians - their descendants - are excluded from Israel to this day.

Or Israel's policy of taking out Palestinian terrorists with no regard to how many innocent civilians are killed in the process.

That America sees Israel as "good" and the Palestinians as "bad" doesn't mean that everyone has to accept the propaganda.

Most of those Palestinians removed themselves at the behest of other arab nations prior to their attempted invasion of Israel. The Israelis have taken fastidious measures to reduce collateral casualties and in their shoes I'd definitely be a lot less picky about it if I had to choose between my family and a bunch of terrorist scumbuckets. Israel does have some faults but I don't see Jews flying airplanes into the sides of American buildings. Fuck the Palestinian scum.

Did he die naturally or was his life support terminated?

That was my initial question, I don't think anyone has announced it, yet.

I have nothing to prove... I have witnessed the last 30 years... I owe you nothing, do your own research. Just don't think you're so right because of a bias. look at the facts is all I ask. Arafat was a great man, not as a terrorist as in his early days, but as the peacemaker that Israel blocked in his later days. I know far more about the situation then you do obviously, do your homework and get back to me!
I'm not the one who made the blanket statement of fact, you are! You put forth the premise and want me to accept it a valid, which I will not do without proof. Until you provide proof, you are only blowing smoke. And when did you become a mind-reader as to who has the greater knowledge of the situation? You may very well know more than I do, but you may just be some punk kid trying to make a point without any basis in fact.

Nuff said...

UN Security Council Resolutions on Israel since 1948


Res 101 (Nov 24, 53): Expressed 'strongest censure' of Israel for the first time because of its raid on Qibya.

Res 106 (Mar 29, 55): Condemned Israel for Ghazzah raid.

Res 111 (Jan 19, 56): Condemned Israel for raid on Syria that killed 56 people.

Res 127 (Jan 22, 58 ) : Recommended Israel to suspend its no-man's zone in Jerusalem.

Res 162 (Apr 11, 61) : Urged Israel to comply with UN decisions.

Res 171 (Apr 9, 62): Determined 'flagrant violation' by Israel in its attack on Syria.

Res 228 (Nov 25, 66): Censured Israel for its attack on Samu in Jordan.

Res 237 (June 14, 67): Urged Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.

Res 248 (Mar 24, 68 ) : Condemned Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.

Res 250 (Apr 27, 68 ) : Called on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.

Res 251 (May 2, 68 ) : Deeply deplored Israel's military parade in Jerusalem and declared invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as its capital.

Res 256 (Aug 16, 68 ) : Condemned Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation'.

Res 259 (Sep 27, 68 ) : Deplored Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.

Res 262 (Dec 31, 68 ) : Condemned Israel's attack on Beirut airport destroying the entire fleet of Middle East Airlines.

Res 265 (Apr 1, 69): Condemned Israel for air attacks on Salt in Jordan.

Res 267 (July 3, 69): Censured Israel for administrative acts to change status of Jerusalem.

Res 270 (Aug. 26, 69): Condemned Israel for air attack on villages in southern Lebanon.

Res 271 (Sep 15, 69): Condemned Israel's failure to comply with UN resolutions on Jerusalem.

Res 279 (May 12, 70): Demanded withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.

Res 280 (May 19, 70): Condemned Israeli attacks against Lebanon.

Res 285 (Sep 5, 70): Demanded immediate Israeli troop withdrawal from Lebanon.

Res 298 (Sep 25, 71): Deplored Israel's change of status of Jerusalem.

Res 313 (Aug 8, 72): Demanded Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.

Res 316 (June 26, 72): Condemned Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.

Res 317 (July 21, 72): Deplored Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted from Lebanon.

Res 332 (Apr 21, 73): Condemned Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.

Res 337 (Aug 15, 73): Condemned Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.

Res 347 (Apr 24, 74): Condemned Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

Res 425 (Mar 19, 78 ) : Called on Israel to withdraw its forces unconditionally from Lebanon.

Res 427 (May 3, 78 ) : Called on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.

Res 444 (Jan 19, 79): Deplored Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peace forces.

Res 446 (Mar 22, 79): Determined Israeli settlements as a 'serious obstruction' to peace, and called on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions.

Res 450 (June 14, 79): Called on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.

Res 452 (July 20, 79): Called on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.

Res 465 (Mar 1, 80): Deplored Israel's settlements and asked all member States not to assist Israel's settlement programme.

Res 467 (Apr 24, 80): Condemned Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.

Res 468 (May 8, 80): Called on Israel to rescind illegal expulsion of two Palestinian Mayors and a Judge, and to facilitate their return.

Res 469 (May 20, 80): Strongly deplored Israel's failure to observe the Council's order not to deport Palestinians.

Res 471 (June 5, 80): Expressed deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Res 476 (June 30, 80): Reiterated that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'.

Res 478 (Aug 20, 80): 'Censured in the strongest terms' Israel for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'basic law'.

Res 484 (Dec 19, 80): Declared it imperative Israel re-admit two Palestinian mayors.

Res 487 (June 19, 81): Strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility.

Res 497 (Dec 17, 81): Decided Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demanded that Israel rescind its decision forthwith.

Res 498 (Dec 18, 81): Called on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.

Res 501 (Feb 25, 82): Called on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.

Res 508 (June 6, 82): Demanded Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and un-conditionally from Lebanon.

Res 515 (July 29, 82): Demanded Israel lift its seige of Beirut and allow in food.

Res 517 (Aug 4, 82): Censured Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demanded Isreal withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

Res 518 (Aug 12, 82): Demanded Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.

Res 520 (Sep 17, 82): Condemned Israel's attack into West Beirut.

Res 573 (Oct 4, 85): Condemned Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO Headquarters.

Res 587 (Sep 23, 86): Took note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urged all parties to withdraw.

Res 592 (Dec 8, 86): Strongly deplored the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.

Res 605 (Dec 22, 87): Strongly deplored Israel's policies and practices denying human rights of Palestinians.

Res 607 (Jan 5, 88 ) : Called on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requested it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Res 608 (Jan 14, 88 ) : Deeply regreted that Israel had defied the UN and deported Palestinian civilians.

Res 636 (July 6, 89): Deeply regreted the Israeli deportation of Palestinians.

Res 641 (Aug 30, 89): Deplored Israel's continuous deportation of Palestinians.

Res 672 (Oct 12, 90): Condemned Israel for violence against Palestinians at Jerusalem's Haram Al-Sharif.

Res 673 (Oct 24, 90): Deplored Israel's refusal to cooperate with the UN.

Res 681 (Dec 20, 90): Deplored Israel's resumption of deportation of Palestinians.

Res 694 (May 24, 91): Deplored Israel's deportation of Palestinians and called on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.

Res 726 (Jan 1, 92): 'Strongly condemned' Israel's decision to resume deportation of Palestinians from 'Palestinian territories... including Jerusalem.'

Res 799 (Dec 19, 92): Deplored Israel's mass deportation of some 400 Palestinians and called for thir immediate return.




Vetoes cast by the United States to defend Israeli crimes:



Sep 10, 72: Condemned Israel's attacks on Southern Lebanon and Syria. Vote: 13 to 1 in favor with 1 abstention.

July 26, 73: Affirmed the rights of Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections. Vote: 13 to 1 in favor with China absent.

Dec 8, 75: Condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians. Vote: 13 to 1, with 1 abstention.

Jan 26, 76: Called for self-determination of Palestinian people. Vote: 9 to 1 with 3 abstentions.

Mar 25, 76: Deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognised as an International city by most world nations and the United Nations. Vote 14 to 1.

June 29, 76: Affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people. Vote: 10 to 1 in favour with 4 abstentions.

Apr 30, 80: Endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people. Vote: 10 to 1 in favour with 4 abstentions.

Jan 20, 82: Demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights. Vote: 9 to 1 in favour with 4 abstentions.

Apr 2, 82: Condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Ghazzah Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva Convention protocols of civilised nations. Vote: 14 to 1.

Apr 20, 82: Condemned an Israeli soldier who shot 11 Muslim worshippers in the Haram Al-Sharif near Al Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem. Vote: 14 to 1.

June 8, 82: Urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1.

June 26, 82: Urged sanctions against Israel if it did not end its invasion of Beirut, Lebanon and withdraw. Vote: 14 to 1.

Aug 8, 82: Urged cut-off of economic aid to Israel if it refuses to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon. Vote: 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions.

Aug 2, 83: Condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Ghazzah Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace. Vote 13 to 1 with 1 abstention.

Sep 6, 84: Deplored Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urged its withdrawal. Vote 14 to 1.

Mar 12, 85: Condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli 'Iron Fist' policy of repression. Vote: 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions. Sep 13, 85: Denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories. Vote: 10 to 1 with 4 abstentions.

Jan 17, 86: Strongly deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon. Vote 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions.

Jan 30, 86: Deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem which threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites. Vote 13 to 1 with 1 abstention.

Feb 6, 86: Condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger plane on 4 February. Vote: 10 to 1 with 1 abstention.

Jan 18, 88: Strongly deplored Israeli attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon. Vote: 13 to 1 with 1 abstention.

Feb 1, 88: Called for Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian uprising that violate the rights of the Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and formalise a leading role for the UN in future peace negotiations. Vote: 14 to 1.

Apr 15, 88: Urged Israel to reaccept deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices. Vote: 14 to 1.

May 10, 88: Condemned Israel's May 2 incursion into Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1.

Dec 14, 88: Strongly deplored Israel's commando raids on Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1.

Feb 17, 89: Strongly deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian uprising and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians. Vote 14 to 1.

June 9, 89: Strongly deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians. Vote: 14 to 1.

Aug 11, 89: Demanded Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian uprising. Vote: 14 to 1.

Mar 5, 90: Called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli occupied lands. Vote: 14 to 1.

(Sources: Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Washington, DC)

I'm not the one who made the blanket statement of fact, you are! You put forth the premise and want me to accept it a valid, which I will not do without proof.

And all the facts your spouting off that Arafat is a terrorist is the same thing, except, Steph is right in this case and you're wrong. Stephistan is probably one of the most educated General forum posters, she doesn't just post something without a point.

And when did you become a mind-reader as to who has the greater knowledge of the situation? You may very well know more than I do, but you may just be some punk kid trying to make a point without any basis in fact.

Have you seen her picture? She's definitely not some punk kid, buddy.

And she'll be waiting for you to read Chomsky.
Simply spouting a name is not supporting an arguement. Does nobody know how to make a supported, intelligent argument anymore?

Time for bed. Got a long day at work. I will sleep easier knowing that a worthless piece of shit is dead. Hope he rots in hell with 71 Aids infested corpses to fuck. Good night all and pleasant dreams. :)

A man has died. Put your hate aside. Even if this man was evil, who are we to judge him? We are human as well. We are not perfect, we cannot cast that first stone. I did not approve of his ways, and protested his actions... but nonetheless, a man has died - show your respects please!

Simply spouting a name is not supporting an arguement. Does nobody know how to make a supported, intelligent argument anymore?

Your ignorance on Chomsky has nothing to do with an unsupported argument; Chomksy's name regularly floats around the General forum.

And all the facts your spouting off that Arafat is a terrorist is the same thing, except, Steph is right in this case and you're wrong.

Why is Stephistan right? Yet another statement of fact with no evidence to back it up.

Why is Stephistan right? Yet another statement of fact with no evidence to back it up.

I wasn't saying what she said, per se, was fact, but that the way she is arguing was right and the way you are is wrong. She named-dropped, you just quoted as fact without a source.

I guess Israel's forced removal of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their land means nothing to you. That millions of Palestinians - their descendants - are excluded from Israel to this day.

Or Israel's policy of taking out Palestinian terrorists with no regard to how many innocent civilians are killed in the process.

That America sees Israel as "good" and the Palestinians as "bad" doesn't mean that everyone has to accept the propaganda.


Excuse me but may I say that Israel did not force the Palestinian out of Israel. The Palestinians left fearing Israeli retaliation which never came. Now as for Israel's policy:

Do you understand how much care the Israeli army puts into not harming civilians?
Do you understand that during the "Shock and Awe" campaign Iraqi civilians were killed?

Obviously you don't think about what you your saying. When Israel has a targeted shooting, usually by helicopter, they are aiming as best they can and timing the attack in way so that civilians don't get hurt. It is also very hard to kill someone when they are constantly hiding behind the civilians.

America does not look at Israel or the Palestinians as good or bad. Israel is the US's best allie in the Middle East. The Palestinians aren't treated as though they are bad people, it is the terrorist acts performed by groups like Hamas that cause the people to call them bad. p.s. Israel is hated more than the Palestinians in the US.

I have one last question for you:

If the Palestinians are so great, than why were they dancing in the streets after Sep. 11?

Why is Stephistan right? Yet another statement of fact with no evidence to back it up.

Go back one page... I give you all the evidence you need.

A man has died. Put your hate aside. Even if this man was evil, who are we to judge him? We are human as well. We are not perfect, we cannot cast that first stone. I did not approve of his ways, and protested his actions... but nonetheless, a man has died - show your respects please!

I'd show my respects but there is no emoticon on this board that pisses on the tombstone of a terrorist whose life was worth less than a puddle of slippery crap on the floor of a booth in an adult bookstore.

Your ignorance on Chomsky has nothing to do with an unsupported argument; Chomksy's name regularly floats around the General forum.
So if one is not versed in Chomsky, one is not educated? Is Chomsky the "philosopher in vogue" right now? So the name floats around - big deal. What in Chomsky is going to prove that Arafat the terrorist was not - Arafat the terrorist? A statement was made that America has been a terrorist nation since WWII. All I ask is that some examples are provided to prove this statement. If you cannot provide them, then the statement cannot stand.

I'd show my respects but there is no emoticon on this board that pisses on the tombstone of a terrorist whose life was worth less than a puddle of slippery crap on the floor of a booth in an adult bookstore.

Then, stop wasting your time by talking about him, then, why don't you? :rolleyes:

If you cannot provide them, then the statement cannot stand.

Stephistan did prove it. Check the thread.

Go back one page... I give you all the evidence you need.

Oh, the U.N. doesn't approve of Israel. What a surprise. Jeez, I'm sorry I was wrong this whole time. The moral authority of the U.N. is the final moral authority of humankind. NOT!

Oh, the U.N. doesn't approve of Israel. What a surprise. Jeez, I'm sorry I was wrong this whole time. The moral authority of the U.N. is the final moral authority of humankind. NOT!

Yet, you continue to act is if your opinion of the situation is the only moral authority on the life of Yasser Arafat. Double-standard, no way!

Never knew Israel had done so much stuff. If all that stuff is true then Israel certainly has a lot to answer for.

On Arafat, it is likely Palestinians will now turn to Hamas etc as their leaders as opposed to the PLO. Arafat was key to Palestinian cause and i fear what will happen now he's gone.

Stephistan did prove it. Check the thread.
You are going to use U.N. resolutions to prove your point?! The same U.N. that has always been hostile to Israel, to the point of being, in the opinion of many, anti-Semitic? Resolutions don't prove anything, actions do. That's why no nation has any qualms about doing things the U.N. doesn't like (witness Darfour, Rwanda, Kosovo), because that's all they do: pass resolutions.

I have one last question for you:

If the Palestinians are so great, than why were they dancing in the streets after Sep. 11?

Because America is the biggest supporter of Israel. Because America arms Israel. America provides Israel with the weapons it uses against Palestinians. American financial aid helps to prop up a regime that would not last long otherwise. America vetoes practically every UN resolution that condemns Israel's mistreatment of the Palestinians.

Don't you see? Don't you see how American support of Israel engenders hatred of us not only among the Palestinians but among many muslim countries?

You probably don't. People who watch too much Fox News never do.

Not that I don't love debating with each and everyone of you lovely people tonight, but I need my beauty sleep for semester registration in a few hours... so, I'll reply to what I can tomorrow afternoon after I wake. Night, everyone. Didn't want you to think I was blowing this off. :)

I wasn't saying what she said, per se, was fact, but that the way she is arguing was right and the way you are is wrong. She named-dropped, you just quoted as fact without a source.
Since when is name-dropping any more valid?

Because America is the biggest supporter of Israel. Because America arms Israel. America provides Israel with the weapons it uses against Palestinians. American financial aid helps to prop up a regime that would not last long otherwise. America vetoes practically every UN resolution that condemns Israel's mistreatment of the Palestinians.

Don't you see? Don't you see how American support of Israel engenders hatred of us not only among the Palestinians but among many muslim countries?

You probably don't. People who watch too much Fox News never do.

Oh, I see very well how our support of Israel engenders hatred amongst the arab countries. What I don't understand is why. Why shouldn't Israel exist? Why do arabs hate Israelies - is it truly over religion? If so, shouldn't both religions "get over it?" Are you saying that we and Israel deserve to be attacked because of our religions? Are you saying Palestenians deserve to have their people killed and their homes destroyed because of religious differences? I hope not. Sadly, all I can see is that the arabs and the Isralies follow a different religion that calls on them to kill each other and since the US support the Isralies, the arabs think that they should kill us too. Didn't anyone learn from the inquisition, North and South Ireland, the Crusades even? What gives any religion the right to kill people of a different religion? I'll tell you what, NOTHING, until the arabs acknowledge the right of Israel to exist and stop killing jews for the simple reason they are jews and have their own country and until the jews stop killing arabs for the simple reason they are arabs and have a different religion, the middle east will never see peace. Both sides needs to live and let live, in peace and with their own religion.

I dont know if anyone knows this yet, but im jsut gonna post it anyway, did you know he got a Noble Peace prize in '93 i believe? the one guy you'd think whose the farthest in this world for getting any sort of prize other then "Hamas Academy Award" gets the Noble frickin' peace prize. Whats worse is it wasnt shared, now come on, im pretty sure someone else in 1993 was more worthy of getting one or at least sharing it with him...crazy. Btw if you think im just sum silly ignorant brainwashed teen, my brother and his family live in Jerusalum and have been caught in terrorist attacks too, i mean what i say.

Because America is the biggest supporter of Israel. Because America arms Israel. America provides Israel with the weapons it uses against Palestinians. American financial aid helps to prop up a regime that would not last long otherwise. America vetoes practically every UN resolution that condemns Israel's mistreatment of the Palestinians.

Don't you see? Don't you see how American support of Israel engenders hatred of us not only among the Palestinians but among many muslim countries?

You probably don't. People who watch too much Fox News never do.
And the U.N. only tries to pass resolutions condemning Israel, not the Palestinian actions. Many of the U.S. vetoes are not because they don't believe Israel did anything wrong, but that there is no balancing resolution condemning the terrorist acts of the Palestinians.

My first reaction to this thread is that you people don't seem to have any sympathy for the situation.

More than a few of you have talked about him being some kind of fascist brainwasher of children, turning them into suicide bombers? The first thing you need to appreciate is that the Palestinians don't actually have a legitimate army, air force or navy, and before the 90s other countries didn't formally recognise Palestinian right to self determination. If you look at just about every anti-occupational freedom fighter, they're almost invariably guerilla military leaders: Yassir was no exception.

Secondly, I think we need to put the circumstances of the suicide bombers themselves into consideration: they can't work, learn or anything else because there is no government to fund these institutions and Israel definitely isn't going to. They actively try and herd muslims and Arab-speakers out of what they rightly or not consider their territory. If you had nowhere else to go, and heard that you could do a great service to your people by killing yourself and taking someone with you...if you really were that desperate, that's exactly what would happen.

I do agree that the region needs more stability. While I do blame Israel's fundamentalist terrorism, somehow legitimated because they are recognised as a society by the international community, I do also agree that Hamas and other Palestinian and Arab terrorists need to be brought to heel. Perhaps whoever does become the next President of Palestine might just have the authority and power to do so. All we and I can do is hope and pray this is the case, and not the alternative.

I dont know if anyone knows this yet, but im jsut gonna post it anyway, did you know he got a Noble Peace prize in '93 i believe? the one guy you'd think whose the farthest in this world for getting any sort of prize other then "Hamas Academy Award" gets the Noble frickin' peace prize. Whats worse is it wasnt shared, now come on, im pretty sure someone else in 1993 was more worthy of getting one or at least sharing it with him...crazy. Btw if you think im just sum silly ignorant brainwashed teen, my brother and his family live in Jerusalum and have been caught in terrorist attacks too, i mean what i say.

Sorry to say it, but those awards are a croc. Henry Kissinger got one of them as well.

Oh, I see very well how our support of Israel engenders hatred amongst the arab countries. What I don't understand is why. Why shouldn't Israel exist? Why do arabs hate Israelies - is it truly over religion? If so, shouldn't both religions "get over it?" Are you saying that we and Israel deserve to be attacked because of our religions? Are you saying Palestenians deserve to have their people killed and their homes destroyed because of religious differences? I hope not. Sadly, all I can see is that the arabs and the Isralies follow a different religion that calls on them to kill each other and since the US support the Isralies, the arabs think that they should kill us too. Didn't anyone learn from the inquisition, North and South Ireland, the Crusades even? What gives any religion the right to kill people of a different religion? I'll tell you what, NOTHING, until the arabs acknowledge the right of Israel to exist and stop killing jews for the simple reason they are jews and have their own country and until the jews stop killing arabs for the simple reason they are arabs and have a different religion, the middle east will never see peace. Both sides needs to live and let live, in peace and with their own religion.

When Israel was created, against the wishes of the Palestinians, thousands of Palestinians were removed from their homes to make way for Jewish immigrants.

Arab nations attacked what was basically a Western colonial construct - the State of Israel - because they didn't particularly like the idea of people being forcibly removed from their land and ending up as refugees in their nations.

As each successive Arab attack against Israel was defeated, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians left their homes for fear of reprisals by the Israelis. And their land was taken by Jewish settlers.

It's not religion we are dealing with here, it's the right of Palestinians to have their own country.

Your ignorance on Chomsky has nothing to do with an unsupported argument; Chomksy's name regularly floats around the General forum.
This forum is far more liberal than I thought. Looks like Noam Chomsky is about as far to the left as you can get. He even thinks our fight against the Soviet Union was flawed. Actions, not words. Yasser Arafat committed acts of violence deliberately against civilians. If your value system does not see that as wrong, we will never see eye-to-eye.

Sorry to say it, but those awards are a croc. Henry Kissinger got one of them as well.
So did Carter, one of the main reasons being his negotiation on behalf of the Clinton administration for the Agreed Framework, in which we would provide the technology for nuclear power in North Korea if they gave up their nuclear weapon ambitions. THAT really worked well, now, didn't it.

This forum is far more liberal than I thought. Looks like Noam Chomsky is about as far to the left as you can get. He even thinks our fight against the Soviet Union was flawed. Actions, not words. Yasser Arafat committed acts of violence deliberately against civilians. If your value system does not see that as wrong, we will never see eye-to-eye.

I guess Israel’s targeted assassination of Palestinian "terrorists", knowing full well that innocents may also be killed - as has happened on numerous occasions - would just be collateral damage to you, and so not worthy of mention.

Or the fact that two previous Israeli prime ministers were formerly leaders of terrorist organizations - the Stern Gang and the Irgun - that murdered thousands of Palestinians and hundreds of British soldiers during the British mandate of Palestine.

You need to read some history.

When Israel was created, against the wishes of the Palestinians, thousands of Palestinians were removed from their homes to make way for Jewish immigrants.

Arab nations attacked what was basically a Western colonial construct - the State of Israel - because they didn't particularly like the idea of people being forcibly removed from their land and ending up as refugees in their nations.

As each successive Arab attack against Israel was defeated, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians left their homes for fear of reprisals by the Israelis. And their land was taken by Jewish settlers.

It's not religion we are dealing with here, it's the right of Palestinians to have their own country.

I seem to recall that more than one peace initiative, including our current president's, have called for exactly that, give the Palestenians their own country, but still they send in homicidal bombers and still the Jews retaliate with excessive force.

A few points:
1. Stephistan, you've listed all the UN resolutions against ISRAEL, but where are those that are against PALESTINE? Or am I correct with this list...
...List Empty...
2. Many of the Palestinians left their homes willingly, so that they wouldn't be in the way of the Arab armies that were supposed to crush Israel into the sand and take all the land for the Arabs. However, Israel managed to defend itself well enough to BEAT 5 countries at ONCE. Not many nations can do that. I'm guessing that, with the people gone, Israelis took a look about, thought "good land, and no one's here. I'll take it because no one else is around." People can generally claim empty land.
3. What about when Jordan and Egypt were running the West Bank and Gaza Strip? Couldn't they have created a proper Palestine then, when the Muslims had control of the area?

Fact,
The palestinians didnt move out willingly, they were kicked out with force, and i know this because my grandparents from both sides of the family had to endure this horror.
They were left with nothing, and were forced to walk across the desert with nothing.

Long Live Palestine
God Bless Arafat

"Arab pederasty was personified in Yasser Arafat, one of the vilest human beings to ever infest the earth. During the Cold War, Arafat was a frequent guest of Romania's Communist dictator Nicolae Ceaucescu, who would put him up in his palace in Bucharest. Always included in Arafat's retinue was a selection of young boys. What Arafat didn't know was that Ceaucescu's secret police, the Securitatae, would covertly film his bedroom escapades. The Israeli intel agency Mossad has copies. Ask any Mossad guy about them and he rolls over in a fit of laughter.

Far worse than his pedophilic predilections, however, was Arafat's Arab Nazism. Yasser Arafat was the Hitler of Palestinian Arabs. Just as Hitler led the German people in a euphoric frenzy to their doom, so Arafat has done the same to his people. On his deathbed next to him lies the myth of Palestinianism.

Never in history has there ever been a Palestinian people separate and distinct from other Arabs. The creator of the myth that the Arabs living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean were somehow different from the Arabs in say, Syria, was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husseini. He created the myth as a rationale for murdering Jews.

Al-Husseini became Grand Mufti in 1921. How he did so, through the machinations of a homosexual British functionary, is a fascinating story told in "The English Godfather of Palestinian Terrorism" (To The Point, Dec. 16, 2003). He organized Arab rampages killing Jewish settlers throughout the 1920s, formed an alliance with the Nazi Party of Germany in the 1930s, met with Adolf Hitler in Berlin in November 1941 to encourage him to slaughter Jews in Europe so they couldn't escape to settle in Palestine, ordered Arab families to flee Israel upon independence so Arab armies could invade in 1948, founded the Palestine Liberation Organization, mentored his nephew Rahman Abdul Rauf al-Qudwa al-Husseini, and turned the leadership of the PLO over to him. His nephew assumed the alias of Yasser Arafat.

Arafat's life purpose, imbued with Nazi hatred of Jews like his uncle, was not to establish a Palestinian state – that was only one means among others to gain his ultimate goal: slaughter every Jew in Israel and "drive them into the sea."

Now the Palestinian Arabs, who have lived in wretched poverty in refugee camps or squashed together in Gaza for two generations unwelcomed by their oil-rich Arab neighbors, are about to suffer the full horror of Arafat's hate-filled legacy."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41320

Arafat's life purpose, imbued with Nazi hatred of Jews like his uncle, was not to establish a Palestinian state – that was only one means among others to gain his ultimate goal: slaughter every Jew in Israel and "drive them into the sea."

And how do you know, have you ever sat down with yasser arafat.
These allegations aren't true, and as a matter of fact Arafat was the one holding back all the terrorist organisations.

Long Live Palestine

These allegations aren't true, and as a matter of fact Arafat was the one holding back all the terrorist organisations.

Long Live Palestine

I wouldn't want to sit down with Arafat, but I'd love to squat on his grave.

Arafat personally channelled millions to Fatah and Al-Aqsa Murderers Brigade, he was commander of both and personally responsible for murdering hundreds of Jewish and Arab civilians.

The myth of Palestine has lived for long enough, let it die with its inventor.

Arafat personally channelled millions to Fatah and Al-Aqsa Murderers Brigade, he was commander of both and personally responsible for murdering hundreds of Jewish and Arab civilians.

Give me examples.
Arafat is a very educated man, and would never do such things, these are just myths created by the media.

So...

I have to ask...

Do you think Arafat got his 71 virgins?

I wonder... where does this story about 71 virgins come from? Because I have read the Koran, and I didn't find it there. Does anybody know? :confused:

Give me examples.
Arafat is a very educated man, and would never do such things, these are just myths created by the media.


examples??? lets see, how about ordering the murders of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics, for one? Or the Achille Lauro? Or the Infitada? There are many, many more items ordered by and conducted by Arafat and his organization that could be listed as well.

Your blinders are starting to show.

I wonder... where does this story about 71 virgins come from? Because I have read the Koran, and I didn't find it there. Does anybody know? :confused:
I believe there is a special passage for him: "At thine entry, thou shalt be placed in a cell, and receive the ministrations of 71 Bubbas . . .".

I believe there is a special passage for him: "At thine entry, thou shalt be placed in a cell, and receive the ministrations of 71 Bubbas . . .".

According to intelligence reports, Arafat preferred to be on top, and liked his 'bottoms' to be pre-pubescent boys. Wonder if he can choose the gender of those 71 virgins?

Midlands and Selgin, you are two of the most one-sided, hate-filled bullshit artists i have ever had the misfortune of encoutering. You crap on about Yasser Arafat the terrorist this, Arafat the terrorist that, when did you see a nice state send in the suicide bomber squadron...and then i stopped listening cos i had to throw up.
Yasser Arafat was a guy who tried and fucked up. He did not control the major terrorist organisations that ravage the palestinian territories. He was a freedom fighter in the beginning and in the end he was out of touch and cut off from his allies. This does not make him the worst man since Hitler. I remind you that Israel established itself thru the use of terrorism (see the events of Dier Yassin) and continues to kill Palestinians every day. See the suicide bombings as returning the favour (or it could be the other way round since the cycle is endless). And, yes you are correct that western nations dont use suicide bomber squadrons...they use fighter/bomber squadrons instead which is so much more humane and legitimate.
There is no right and wrong side in the Israel/Palestine mess...it has gone on too long and both sides have stooped too low for that. Each side needs support and people like you just aggrevate the problem. Get some fucking perspective and empathy :mad:

Who Gives A Shit?

Midlands and Selgin, you are two of the most one-sided, hate-filled bullshit artists i have ever had the misfortune of encoutering. You crap on about Yasser Arafat the terrorist this, Arafat the terrorist that, when did you see a nice state send in the suicide bomber squadron...and then i stopped listening cos i had to throw up.
Yasser Arafat was a guy who tried and fucked up. He did not control the major terrorist organisations that ravage the palestinian territories. He was a freedom fighter in the beginning and in the end he was out of touch and cut off from his allies. This does not make him the worst man since Hitler. I remind you that Israel established itself thru the use of terrorism (see the events of Dier Yassin) and continues to kill Palestinians every day. See the suicide bombings as returning the favour (or it could be the other way round since the cycle is endless). And, yes you are correct that western nations dont use suicide bomber squadrons...they use fighter/bomber squadrons instead which is so much more humane and legitimate.
There is no right and wrong side in the Israel/Palestine mess...it has gone on too long and both sides have stooped too low for that. Each side needs support and people like you just aggrevate the problem. Get some fucking perspective and empathy :mad:
Let us, for the sake of argument, agree that Israel has behaved in the manner you describe. You still have not justified the actions of Arafat. They are no less reprehensible because others may or may not have committed the same atrocities.

Deir Yassin bla bla... hugs for Arafat bla bla

Well, I found your comments equally emetic. Supporters of Arab nazism, aka 'Palestinianism' always drag out the Deir Yassin myth. It's been so embroidered by Arab propagandists I doubt any of you have the faintest idea what actually happened there. Arafat was a sadistic murderer and a raper and killer of children. He stole from and expolited his fellow Arabs all his life. The whole world is better off without him.

I guess Israel’s targeted assassination of Palestinian "terrorists", knowing full well that innocents may also be killed - as has happened on numerous occasions - would just be collateral damage to you, and so not worthy of mention.

Or the fact that two previous Israeli prime ministers were formerly leaders of terrorist organizations - the Stern Gang and the Irgun - that murdered thousands of Palestinians and hundreds of British soldiers during the British mandate of Palestine.

You need to read some history.
I have not argued for or against Israeli actions, merely stated that Yasser Arafat has committed many atrocities, and as such, should not be revered as a great leader, but reviled as a murderer and a thief against his own people.

Would you like me to try and say Arafat was a nice man who was misunderstood? Bugger off, the man was power addicted and violent, people in his situation usually are.
BUT, he was the only man capable of keeping a lid on the major terrorist recruiters in Gaza and the West Bank because he was the only man who could unite the Palestinian people. And you talk as though every bad thing a Palestinian has ever done was secretly masterminded by Arafat. Hell, for 20 years he was banished in Tunisia where he couldnt do squat. His Palestinian Authority regulary clashed with Hamas and the A.A.M Brigade. You try to paint him in black and white as a heartless thug...this is the problem. Its not that simple. You seem to try to attatch to him every ugly thing you can (you in this case is people in this discussion BTW) like child molester or evil embezzler becuase that makes him easier to hate. I just dont understand why people cant appreciate some of the good he did in amongst all the shit.

and WHOA! someone mentioned Arabic Nazism? Secure that shit boy! We dont want to get started on the 'everyone who is ever critical of Israel is a Nazi' path do we?

I just dont understand why people cant appreciate some of the good he did in amongst all the shit.

What good DID he do, ever? Don't say 'he kept a lid on things' because that's a patent lie - he actively funded and directed the murder of Israeli and Palestinian civilians by Fatah and Al Aqsa Brigades, and miserably failed to deliver the VERY FIRST obligation of the Palestinians under the road map agreement - controlling terrorism.

The only good thing Arafat ever did was dying and sparing the world any more of his disastrous and bloodthirsty madness.

it's time for the security of Israel to be secured and for the right of Palestine to exist :)

amen!

I WILL say he kept a lid on things thank you cos thats exactly what he did. The PA did a reasonable job too considering its infratstructure was shot to shit, it was routinely occupied (ironically in response to violence it was attempting to quell) and was cut off diplomatically after some people found it useful to describe once ENTIRE side of this conflict as "terrorists". Funny how he was internationally acceptable before the war on terror started

dammit, i gotta go...in essence: Without Arafat there was no recognition for the Palestinian cause. His nepotism and corruption are reprehensible but he was not the devil, he did do some good in his time. Stop acting like he was some modern day hitler.
Long live Israel...Long live Palestine...together and with less violence

He was tolerated until he rejected a ridiculously generous offer at Oslo and declared the Oslo War against Israel. Then he was about as welcome as a turd on a shoe. Even Clinton was disgusted with Arafat.

Yes Lord, and bless those who blew themselves up on the Israeli buses.
Comfort those who targeted Israeli schools and school children.
And Lord, may the interest rates be high on the moneys collected for your Palestinian people that I kept for myself.
Amen.

Idiot!, you are a ****en wanker you ****wit! Of course, all those Palestinian children are terrorist (SO MUCH ****EN SARCASM)

I hope you die you peice of ****, I hope you burn in hell, for supporting this fake nation Israel you will!

On that note, I'd trust a Palestinian before an Israel and an Arab before a Jew, at least they respect the only true Messiah!

And all the facts your spouting off that Arafat is a terrorist is the same thing, except, Steph is right in this case and you're wrong. Stephistan is probably one of the most educated General forum posters, she doesn't just post something without a point.

Any idea what age Stephistan is? I bet my dad is older and I can tell you that he has seen more than she has! :p

Have you seen her picture? She's definitely not some punk kid, buddy.

This I can believe!

Good Morning. I must get some work done. but I wanted to say this and only this... The man is dead, try to have a little respect, if you can't, perhaps say nothing at all.

He did no worse and no better then any other leader of a people. All leaders kill civilians, all leaders scrape a little off the top, all leaders do many things that are questionable in the name of their "cause". Lets not be so myopic in our view. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones!

I'm done. Have a lovely morning.

Thank you Steph. May you have a fine day too. My day is ending soon but...

Anyway, I just wanted to say that to all the people who believe that America is hated for supporting Israel, don't you think that Iraq and Afghanistan had anything to do with it? That they're practically declaring war on the Arab world?

Also, Austrealite, I just reported you to the mods.

Idiot!, you are a ****en wanker you ****wit! Of course, all those Palestinian children are terrorist (SO MUCH ****EN SARCASM)

I hope you die you peice of ****, I hope you burn in hell, for supporting this fake nation Israel you will!

On that note, I'd trust a Palestinian before an Israel and an Arab before a Jew, at least they respect the only true Messiah!

Whooo, tone it down there dude. Flaming is so not becoming of any one. No official warning this time, but do it again and you will find yourself in a little bit of trouble. Slow that train down..mmmk?!~

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Thank you Steph. May you have a fine day too. My day is ending soon but...

Anyway, I just wanted to say that to all the people who believe that America is hated for supporting Israel, don't you think that Iraq and Afghanistan had anything to do with it? That they're practically declaring war on the Arab world?

Also, Austrealite, I just reported you to the mods.

I couldn't care if you reported me to the FBI, frankly people like the quy I quoted are nothing but liars who don't know crap if it was rubbed in their face. Yeah all Palestinians are terrorists ...my arse they are.

You do know who started the Middle Eastern Terrorism don't you...it was the Jewish state of *srael! They created the letter bomb which killed thousands of people, and they blew the King David (PBUH) hotel up killing lots of people, not to mention recent terrorist attacks by the *DF!

What's a few targeted civilian deaths caused by teenage suicide bombers, embezzlements, corruption between friends, as long as it is for a good cause?
Hell..America would do the same if we find outselves in the same situation...

"frankly people like the quy I quoted are nothing but liars who don't know crap if it was rubbed in their face."
More flaming Steph?
Calling him a liar who wouldn't know crap if it was rubbed in his face? Also probably flamebaiting, trying to get a response?

Whooo, tone it down there dude. Flaming is so not becoming of any one. No official warning this time, but do it again and you will find yourself in a little bit of trouble. Slow that train down..mmmk?!~

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Sorry there, I didn't think before typing and should have ...well you know...not done what I did. I could have used better words...sorry again buddy

Sorry there, I didn't think before typing and should have ...well you know...not done what I did. I could have used better words...sorry again buddy

It's okay, happens to the best of us, oh and it's not "buddy" it's "dudette" ;)

It's okay, happens to the best of us, oh and it's not "buddy" it's "dudette" ;)

Ok dudette, sorry I would have used "mate" but then it doesn't work on the net and while I am Australian (sorry to the non Australians who use the word) but we do it the only true way it would seem as if I was a try hard...which is so not cool...