NationStates Jolt Archive


A democracy brutally murdered.

Zhaid
11-11-2004, 04:04
While I realize this poststamp-sized country I am going to tell you about is probably the last thing on earth you worry or care about, what with the whole Bush controversy to discuss over and over, but I figure I'll take my chances and write a post that is soon to disappear into the bowels of the forum's mercifully forgetful archives.

A democracy has been murdered.

The country I am talking about is Belgium (aka Belch'um, aka Absurdistan), geographically wedged between France, Germany and the Netherlands, and inhabited by roughly 10 million Dutch-speaking Flemish and 6 million French-speaking Walloons. A country tiny and insignificant by your standards, yet huge in it's atrocious interpretation of politics and democracy.

Ever since it's artificial construction, the Belgian state has been dominated by the French-speaking minority "elite". Even when the Flemish faced their most dire need in history, when they were starving despite working all their waking hours, they were taxed more heavily than their French-speaking counterparts. The French-speaking were the advocates, we were the farmers. They were the supervisors, we were the factory workers. They were the officers, we were the cannon fodder. All this was maintained by an educational system that outlawed the use of the Dutch language.

In some regards, we have come a long way since that time. Belgium is now officially a federal state, divided into the aforementioned Flemish and Walloon "countries". Yet still the dominance of the French-speaking minority endures. There is one Flemish party, only one, that today still dares to challenge them. The Flemish Block (Vlaams Blok).

The Walloons are subsidized by a yearly "solidarity" transfer that surpasses the transfers of West to East Germany in absurdity, both percentage-wise as purely numerical. Even more infuriating, these transfers are not even used to improve the lot of the Walloon civilians, but rather to buy their politicians popularity and power through gifts and bribes. We want these transfers either to stop, or at least to give us insight as to how it is used, so that we know our "solidarity" does not disappear into dark pockets.

The Flemish Block has always been sceptical about the influx of muslim immigrants and warned for the virtual impossibilty of a succesful integration. Recently, the murder on Theo Van Gogh, Netherlands' controversial movie-maker who made a (very tame, I might add) movie about the islamic oppression of women, has proven them right, for the one committing this brutal act of murder was always before considered a "perfectly integrated" muslim. If a proof was needed at all, for it was neither the first nor, I fear, the last of muslim aggressions against Europe. It was a remarkably eye-catching one though.

Yet the true problem, the issue that lies at the core of the other Belgian parties' hatred for the Flemish Block, is and has always been it's radical separatism, and it's outspoken favor for a republic over the monarchy we have now. Considering that Flanders and Wallonia have evolved into nations that are politically, socially and culturally completely different, they strived and strive for complete political autonomy of both "countries".

Election upon election the Flemish Block has grown, climbing up the ranks from the tiny marginalist party they were back when they started, to become the largest party of Flanders today with 23% of the vote (quite outstanding considering there are 5 major parties and a lot of small ones). It has become a true threat to the other parties, which are all banding together against them, established long before the Flemish Block was erected.

Under these other parties' direction then, six laws were changed, and two new ones were passed to make it possible that the Flemish Block could be persecuted and judged guilty for the charge of racism. Their representative, Johan Le Man, publicly declared that they would continue to persecute the Flemish Block "until a judge was found that was willing to condemn them."

And, at long last, after years of persecution, of being denied and trying again, they have found their judge.

And now the courtroom goes quiet, but who's to confesss?
Is it true you betrayed us? The answer is yes.
Then read me the list of the crimes that are mine,
I will beg for the mercy that you love to decline.
~ Leonard Cohen

I stand for the Flemish Block. I will confess to our crime now.

We wanted Dutch money in Dutch hands. We are racists.
We wanted Dutch people to have the right to decide on their own policies. We are racists.
We wanted muslim immigrants to learn our language. We are racists.
We wanted muslim immigrants to obey our laws. We are racists.

Yet I will not accept this. I request that, as for all "doubtful" democratic nations, foreign investigators are sent to evaluate the "democratic level" of this banana republic.

Thank you.
Sdaeriji
11-11-2004, 04:08
You complain about the Walloons forcing you to not use your native language, yet:

We wanted muslim immigrants to learn our language. We are racists.

How are you not hypocritical?
Lunatic Goofballs
11-11-2004, 04:12
Walloons. Hehehe.

How can you let a group of people called Walloons keep you down?

I'd laugh myself silly. :)
Zhaid
11-11-2004, 04:14
You complain about the Walloons forcing you to not use your native language, yet:



How are you not hypocritical?

Because we are not immigrants? Because we have lived here for longer than the USA has existed?
Najitene
11-11-2004, 04:14
Hehe. For a while I thought you were going to talk about America, which its democracy too has been almost murdered. Sure we still have rights, but we can do SO mich better it makes me both angry at the ongoing supporters of the system and anxious to create a huge reform.
Sdaeriji
11-11-2004, 04:17
Because we are not immigrants? Because we have lived here for longer than the USA has existed?

How is that relevant? In the broader scope of history, you are immigrants. So is there some sort of grace period a group of people must go through when migrating to a new land before they are allowed to return to their cultural heritage? You sought to force Muslim immigrants to use your language and in the same breath bemoan the Walloons forcing you to use their language.
Zhaid
11-11-2004, 04:19
Walloons. Hehehe.

How can you let a group of people called Walloons keep you down?

I'd laugh myself silly. :)


Good question. In fact it is "Walen" in Dutch. Still, that doesn't matter much. Why?

Because the French-speaking have always been language-imperialistic, while the Dutch were more complacent, peace-loving, enduring. Add to that the fact that the articifical Belgian state was founded in the period of Flanders' deepest crisis, and it shouldn't be hard to figure out how the French-speaking have gained their influence.
Zhaid
11-11-2004, 04:20
How is that relevant? In the broader scope of history, you are immigrants. So is there some sort of grace period a group of people must go through when migrating to a new land before they are allowed to return to their cultural heritage? You sought to force Muslim immigrants to use your language and in the same breath bemoan the Walloons forcing you to use their language.


I guess you also think USA immigrants don't need to learn English. As I'm sure just about everyone despices this kind of logic, it needs no further reply.
Sdaeriji
11-11-2004, 04:22
I guess you also think USA immigrants don't need to learn English. As I'm sure just about everyone despises this kind of logic, it needs no further reply.

I think it would be nice if foriegn immigrants would learn the predominant language, but I certainly wouldn't force them to, which is exactly what you said the Flemish sought to do.
Lunatic Goofballs
11-11-2004, 04:25
I like most of the arab-based languages.

Everything sounds like a swear. :)
Sdaeriji
11-11-2004, 04:26
I like most of the arab-based languages.

Everything sounds like a swear. :)

I like Russian and German, because you could be reading a love poem and sound pissed off.
Lunatic Goofballs
11-11-2004, 04:28
Maybe that's why they are always in such bad moods.

*blink* Or are they? :confused:
Druthulhu
11-11-2004, 04:30
You complain about the Walloons forcing you to not use your native language, yet:

We wanted muslim immigrants to learn our language. We are racists.

How are you not hypocritical?

The Flemish were not immigrants. That's how.
Druthulhu
11-11-2004, 04:52
How is that relevant? In the broader scope of history, you are immigrants. So is there some sort of grace period a group of people must go through when migrating to a new land before they are allowed to return to their cultural heritage? You sought to force Muslim immigrants to use your language and in the same breath bemoan the Walloons forcing you to use their language.

Why not say that the Jews deserved the Haulocaust for what they did to the Canaanites? Why not say that the Native Americans didn't deserve to keep their land because they hadn't been there before their anscestors came across the Bering Strait?

News Flash: immigrants can only come into a country legally if they do so according to the wishes of the people already living there. If they want to come and participate in a nation that welcomes them, fine. If all they want to do is transport a patch of their own car-bombing clit-chopping freedom-hating culture into somebody else's land, they should stay right where they are.

Problem is, too many of these people want the best of both worlds. They get oppressed at home, and then they cry and rage and murder when they can't oppress their daughters in somebody else's democracy.

Language? Fine. If they want to stay ignorant and helpless in Belgium, let them. There are 100s of languages in the world, so if they expect roadsigns and such in their own, they should go back to where they came from.

OTOH the Dutch speaking were there, in their part, before the French speaking people came. This is like outlawing the use of Cherokee, or Welsh. It really does not compare. And AFAIK nobody is talking about outlawing the use of Arabic, only about expecting immigrants to learn the lingua franca (or the lingua netherlander?) rather than having the whole country redo every sign and pamphlet they have.

PLUS!!! ...the REAL hypocricy is that the French speaking Belgians, having stamped down &/or out the speaking of Dutch, now turn around and accuse the Dutch of racism for expecting immigrants, which they themselves were not, to learn the local tongue.

Sounds like those French-speaking Belgians are the truer racists and the truer hypocrites.