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Wow, there is something seriously wrong with America

Klonor
10-11-2004, 18:37
I'm on the front page of a newspaper! Yay! Smack dab in the middle of the very first article is a huge picture of me. Below that picture is a caption about me. In the article there is a quote by me. Yay! But....wait, doesn't the title of this thread say that there is something seriously wrong with America? What could me being in the newspaper have to do with that? Oh, I know, it's why I'm in the newspaper and why it's the cover story. I am on the front page of the newspaper for being first in line to buy Halo2. Below that article, below an article about a video game, there is an article about the invasion of Fallujah in Iraq. The invasion of a town where, so far, 10 Americans have died. Two Iraqis Security Force members have died. Hundreds of "terrorists" have died.

Halo2 is a great game. It really is. Intricate plot, impressive graphics, many exploding things, but it is still a game. It is not real. It is a toy for children to play with. But death, death is real. Death is important. Death means somebody has died, a father or a son or a brother or a husband, that person will not be going home to their loved ones. That person is gone. But of course that does't matter, as long as Microsoft gets their cover story.

We should not be obsessed with the military actions in Iraq, we should not view every single casualty as a blow struck against America and what it stands for, but that does not mean we ignore it completely. That does not mean that a news story about people fighting and dying should be second to a news story about a video game where people pretend to fight and die.

I am sickened.
Refused Party Program
10-11-2004, 18:46
Damn straight, there's something wrong with America.

URINALS!
The Black Forrest
10-11-2004, 18:51
Well being first in line to buy a game says something as well! :p
Imardeavia
10-11-2004, 19:15
I'm on the front page of a newspaper! Yay! Smack dab in the middle of the very first article is a huge picture of me. Below that picture is a caption about me. In the article there is a quote by me. Yay! But....wait, doesn't the title of this thread say that there is something seriously wrong with America? What could me being in the newspaper have to do with that? Oh, I know, it's why I'm in the newspaper and why it's the cover story. I am on the front page of the newspaper for being first in line to buy Halo2. Below that article, below an article about a video game, there is an article about the invasion of Fallujah in Iraq. The invasion of a town where, so far, 10 Americans have died. Two Iraqis Security Force members have died. Hundreds of "terrorists" have died.

Halo2 is a great game. It really is. Intricate plot, impressive graphics, many exploding things, but it is still a game. It is not real. It is a toy for children to play with. But death, death is real. Death is important. Death means somebody has died, a father or a son or a brother or a husband, that person will not be going home to their loved ones. That person is gone. But of course that does't matter, as long as Microsoft gets their cover story.

We should not be obsessed with the military actions in Iraq, we should not view every single casualty as a blow struck against America and what it stands for, but that does not mean we ignore it completely. That does not mean that a news story about people fighting and dying should be second to a news story about a video game where people pretend to fight and die.

I am sickened.

Quite so, these supercapitalists care for nothing but their own profits. The deaths of other people are deemed irrelevant in comparison. These articles prove that. Joke all you like people, but the truth remains. People are dying out there and we just think about computer games? Sure, computer games are an important part of my life, but an international war kinda takes priority.

I too, am sickened.

Mikorlias of Imardeavia
UpwardThrust
10-11-2004, 19:46
I'm on the front page of a newspaper! Yay! Smack dab in the middle of the very first article is a huge picture of me. Below that picture is a caption about me. In the article there is a quote by me. Yay! But....wait, doesn't the title of this thread say that there is something seriously wrong with America? What could me being in the newspaper have to do with that? Oh, I know, it's why I'm in the newspaper and why it's the cover story. I am on the front page of the newspaper for being first in line to buy Halo2. Below that article, below an article about a video game, there is an article about the invasion of Fallujah in Iraq. The invasion of a town where, so far, 10 Americans have died. Two Iraqis Security Force members have died. Hundreds of "terrorists" have died.

Halo2 is a great game. It really is. Intricate plot, impressive graphics, many exploding things, but it is still a game. It is not real. It is a toy for children to play with. But death, death is real. Death is important. Death means somebody has died, a father or a son or a brother or a husband, that person will not be going home to their loved ones. That person is gone. But of course that does't matter, as long as Microsoft gets their cover story.

We should not be obsessed with the military actions in Iraq, we should not view every single casualty as a blow struck against America and what it stands for, but that does not mean we ignore it completely. That does not mean that a news story about people fighting and dying should be second to a news story about a video game where people pretend to fight and die.

I am sickened.


So … because a news paper chose to display an article that it thought would attract attention and sell papers the whole of the US is wrong? Seems kind of generalizing.

I mean are you comparing it to the front page stories of other wars? From other countries?

News papers try to sell … if they think a brand new game featured for one article will draw a higher point sale (rather then the long term as the Iraq war has been) then they will do it.

Or would you be complaining about the newspapers that profited off of the bloodshed in Iraq? If so I doubt that you could narrow that to the US alone
UpwardThrust
10-11-2004, 19:48
Quite so, these supercapitalists care for nothing but their own profits. The deaths of other people are deemed irrelevant in comparison. These articles prove that. Joke all you like people, but the truth remains. People are dying out there and we just think about computer games? Sure, computer games are an important part of my life, but an international war kinda takes priority.

I too, am sickened.

Mikorlias of Imardeavia

Just think about computer games? Lunch is on my mind

So is the war

A lot of things are on my mind at once … in fact halo didn’t even cross my mind until it was brought up here

Am I a super capitalist?

I might read a story that was printed about that … though I might read a story printed about anything … I like to read.
UpwardThrust
10-11-2004, 19:50
Well being first in line to buy a game says something as well! :p
Lol yes it does … shouldn’t he/she be more concerned about HELPING the people hurt by the conflict? I mean people are DYING of mal nutrition over there. Couldn’t that money help?
Another one of those super capitalists
:P
Sakkra
10-11-2004, 19:59
Lol yes it does … shouldn’t he/she be more concerned about HELPING the people hurt by the conflict? I mean people are DYING of mal nutrition over there. Couldn’t that money help?
Another one of those super capitalists
:P

And yet here you are replying to a thread stating what a person's problem is with the media's priorities as far as news-worthy events. That is time spent that could be used to help those less fortunate.

My point being, you can't help everyone. If Klonor wants to spend his money to buy a game, that is his business. If you want to donate money to help those suffering from malnutrition, that is your business.

What sickens me is that Thanksgiving is some time away still, and already they're cramming Christmas commercials down my throat. This year the corporations didn't even wait for Halloween to be over before they started.
Arammanar
10-11-2004, 20:07
Quite so, these supercapitalists care for nothing but their own profits. The deaths of other people are deemed irrelevant in comparison. These articles prove that. Joke all you like people, but the truth remains. People are dying out there and we just think about computer games? Sure, computer games are an important part of my life, but an international war kinda takes priority.

I too, am sickened.

Mikorlias of Imardeavia
Those newspapers at least published an article. What have you done for those people? Complain without action on a messageboard mayhaps?
Tioszaea
10-11-2004, 20:28
It isn't America that's screwed up, its humanity. Duh, everyone knows that :p

So … because a news paper chose to display an article that it thought would attract attention and sell papers the whole of the US is wrong? Seems kind of generalizing.

I mean are you comparing it to the front page stories of other wars? From other countries?

News papers try to sell … if they think a brand new game featured for one article will draw a higher point sale (rather then the long term as the Iraq war has been) then they will do it.

Or would you be complaining about the newspapers that profited off of the bloodshed in Iraq? If so I doubt that you could narrow that to the US alone

Its because they put money first instead of moral values that it is such an appalling issue. Newspapers do try to sell, that is true. Most people put their own lust for power in front of things that really matter. It's a rare gift to be able to skewer all your material longings on a giant shish kobob of care and love (sort of an odd comparison, don't you think?).

We all have our flaws, and most people are too lazy to fix them.
Tioszaea
10-11-2004, 20:32
Those newspapers at least published an article. What have you done for those people? Complain without action on a messageboard mayhaps?

This is going to sound hypocritical, I know it..

Most people in a general sense just complain about how terrible some things are and hope that someone else will go and fix them for you so you can sit nice and comfy at home on your nice recliner watching the football game of concealance and disguise. Which is exactly what I do. Which makes me a hypocrite, like everyone else.
Keruvalia
10-11-2004, 20:36
I am on the front page of the newspaper for being first in line to buy Halo2.

Haha .... nerd. ;)
Jello Biafra
10-11-2004, 20:39
So … because a news paper chose to display an article that it thought would attract attention and sell papers the whole of the US is wrong? Seems kind of generalizing.

I mean are you comparing it to the front page stories of other wars? From other countries?

News papers try to sell … if they think a brand new game featured for one article will draw a higher point sale (rather then the long term as the Iraq war has been) then they will do it.

Or would you be complaining about the newspapers that profited off of the bloodshed in Iraq? If so I doubt that you could narrow that to the US alone
This wasn't directed to me, but if it were I would reply, stating that this problem would be solved if you banned for-profit media. However, your post wasn't directed to me, so you can just ignore this one. :D
Copiosa Scotia
10-11-2004, 20:42
Damn straight, there's something wrong with America.

URINALS!

Worse still, low-flow toilets.
Kleptonis
10-11-2004, 20:49
To quote "America the Book":

Name the 9 members fo the Brady Bunch. Now name all the members of the supreme court. What does your answer say about you?

People like pop culture better than politics. I'll admit that politics do get boring, but newspapers take it too far. Do I really give a shit who J Lo is married to this week?
Halo Sucks
10-11-2004, 20:50
Yes, there is something wrong with America. The fact that people place more importance on music, sports and other forms of entertainment instead of health or education. Teachers spend their whole lives learning more to give children an education and they get paid less than most professions out there. Teachers and doctors should get paid more than musicians and athletes. Healthcare should be cheaper and available to everyone, and the basic needs of food and water should be provided to anyone that needs it.
UpwardThrust
10-11-2004, 21:06
To quote "America the Book":

Name the 9 members fo the Brady Bunch. Now name all the members of the supreme court. What does your answer say about you?

People like pop culture better than politics. I'll admit that politics do get boring, but newspapers take it too far. Do I really give a shit who J Lo is married to this week?


I got the supreme court more right (missed one) only made two of the brady bunch :)
UpwardThrust
10-11-2004, 21:10
Yes, there is something wrong with America. The fact that people place more importance on music, sports and other forms of entertainment instead of health or education. Teachers spend their whole lives learning more to give children an education and they get paid less than most professions out there. Teachers and doctors should get paid more than musicians and athletes. Healthcare should be cheaper and available to everyone, and the basic needs of food and water should be provided to anyone that needs it.


I agree (though I don’t happen to narrow it to America … even in poor countries things like soccer or ‘football’ are idolized)

Though I just found it ironic that the original complaint was about what was published by a corporation when the complainer was there to spend money on another corporation and comes back and tells us how bad the first one is because they tried to make money


I mean seriously it is a point sale … if you counted up the number of papers sold by coverage of the iraq war … and that of halo, I think the war would win by a long shot

People like change … that change happened to be to something of entertainment value … it could have just as easily as not been some other human tragedy … it just happen to line up with halo

Change sells papers
Aust
10-11-2004, 21:20
Those are the things that is wrong with not just America but Britian today as well, Todays front page of the Mail, was about some wonder pill that suppsedly helps you stop smoking and lose weight, todays headline in the Mirror, I think it was about David Beckham, Todays headling in the sun, Something to do with backham as well. Todays headline in the Guardian was about Fallujia.

Now look at the readership figures, dosn't something strike you as odd that so more people want to read about beckhams lateist antics that the carnage in Fallujia?

Thats whats wrong with this world.
Aust
10-11-2004, 21:21
Yes, there is something wrong with America. The fact that people place more importance on music, sports and other forms of entertainment instead of health or education. Teachers spend their whole lives learning more to give children an education and they get paid less than most professions out there. Teachers and doctors should get paid more than musicians and athletes. Healthcare should be cheaper and available to everyone, and the basic needs of food and water should be provided to anyone that needs it.
Thats so true. And even the better sports don't get as much coverage (ie: Rugby) than one where a sissy balives that he can show the world he's clever by admitting to cheating.
UpwardThrust
10-11-2004, 21:24
Those are the things that is wrong with not just America but Britian today as well, Todays front page of the Mail, was about some wonder pill that suppsedly helps you stop smoking and lose weight, todays headline in the Mirror, I think it was about David Beckham, Todays headling in the sun, Something to do with backham as well. Todays headline in the Guardian was about Fallujia.

Now look at the readership figures, dosn't something strike you as odd that so more people want to read about beckhams lateist antics that the carnage in Fallujia?

Thats whats wrong with this world.


What about readership demographics ? relative size of the paper

I mean just because it is 2 to 1 for the papers doesn’t mean that reflects number of subscribers

Nor does it reflect editors points of view or maybe availability of new information to the smaller presses.

A lot more complicated then that
Aust
10-11-2004, 21:26
What about readership demographics ? relative size of the paper

I mean just because it is 2 to 1 for the papers doesn’t mean that reflects number of subscribers

Nor does it reflect editors points of view or maybe availability of new information to the smaller presses.

A lot more complicated then that
I meant that the Sun gets more readers than the Guardian or the Times dispite the fact that I can't rember when they last had proper news in it.
Gene Ware Inc
10-11-2004, 21:31
Most of the UK newspapers had the war in Iraq on their front page, the METRO and free paper had a 1 page article mostly picture deep inside the paper, even though Halo 2 is out in america a computer under no cicumstances (very few) warrants a front page.

All though i do have one query abou the Halo 2 stroy, it said that some thousands of copies had been sold in a store in 11 minutes, i cant get physically how they sold that many in so little time.
Yevon of Spira
10-11-2004, 21:32
Was the paper a local paper, or a widly distributed paper? If it was a local paper, it would make more since because local papers tend to put minor news on the front and international news somewhere inside. At least thats the way my local paper does it.
BastardSword
10-11-2004, 21:36
Most of the UK newspapers had the war in Iraq on their front page, the METRO and free paper had a 1 page article mostly picture deep inside the paper, even though Halo 2 is out in america a computer under no cicumstances (very few) warrants a front page.

All though i do have one query abou the Halo 2 stroy, it said that some thousands of copies had been sold in a store in 11 minutes, i cant get physically how they sold that many in so little time.
Preorders?
Onion Pirates
10-11-2004, 21:39
I disagree.

I don't want to see more evidence of our messy mistakes.

I want to see entertainment and forget reality.

Even CNN knows this, which is why now that the amusement of the second rigged election is over we are being treated to "Scott Peterson 24/7".
Jello Biafra
11-11-2004, 13:25
Even CNN knows this, which is why now that the amusement of the second rigged election is over we are being treated to "Scott Peterson 24/7".
Lol. I wonder about that, myself. I have yet to encounter a person who gives a damn about Scott Petersen, and yet his name's everywhere. Makes you wonder if selling papers is really what they're trying to do...
Selgin
11-11-2004, 13:33
To quote "America the Book":

Name the 9 members fo the Brady Bunch. Now name all the members of the supreme court. What does your answer say about you?

People like pop culture better than politics. I'll admit that politics do get boring, but newspapers take it too far. Do I really give a shit who J Lo is married to this week?
Justices Stevens, Bryar, Ginsberg, Souter (the liberals)
Justices Kennedy, O'Connor (swing)
Justices Scalia, Thomas, Chief Justice Rehnquist (the conservatives).

Brady Bunch
Peter, Greg, don't remember,
Cindy, Marsha, Jan
Father, Mother, Alice.
Helioterra
11-11-2004, 13:40
Of course war (which ever, Iraq isn't the only place) is more important than beckham or brady's (whoever they are?) but when it's on the news everyday 365 days a year, you just get bored. It's not news anymore. And why should Iraq be on the first page all the time? What about Darfur, Somalia, Ivory Coast, Indonesia etc. Editors have to make choices, they can't print everything what's happening around the globe. But you can choose which newspaper makes the best choices and read that.
Fentam
11-11-2004, 13:44
Damn straight that there is something wrong :headbang:
DeaconDave
11-11-2004, 13:53
I assume that this was a local paper. (As you were not even mentioned in this am's journal, [j/k]).

If you look at the by-line, you'll probably find that the Iraq story is from the AP wire, and the story about you is from a staff reporter with a name.

Small local papers tend to run in-office news first. It's how junior reporters get to "cut their teeth" and build a resume. That put's a lot of pressure on the editors to push their by-lines.

Also, it costs more money depending where you put the AP wire stuff (I think).

Finally, they are competing against the nationals and large locals. They have to lead with unique stuff otherwise no-one buys them (what's the point if they are the all AP).

I'm am sure their are many local papers this AM that did not lead with fallujah, but instead were reporting results of local items of curiosity. :)