NationStates Jolt Archive


The Corporation

Quagmir
10-11-2004, 14:03
http://www.thecorporation.tv/

What do you think of it?
Tactical Grace
10-11-2004, 14:12
Excellent documentary. Fair and Balanced.
Order Out of Chaos
10-11-2004, 14:14
Marxist slander.
Tactical Grace
10-11-2004, 14:18
Marxist slander.
:rolleyes: Oh great. The communists come pouring in.

Could we please have a sensible discussion of this? One without insults. That would be nice, for a change.
Kelleda
10-11-2004, 14:19
This just looks like the means to make a new boogeyman.
Vittos Ordination
10-11-2004, 14:30
This boogeyman has been around for years.
Quagmir
10-11-2004, 15:23
Marxist slander.

Would you care to elaborate?
Sukafitz
10-11-2004, 15:33
Halfway through this documentary about the dangers of corporate power,
Michael Moore makes an appearance and tries to goad the CEO of Nike, Phil
Knight, into taking a trip with him to Indonesia to visit the country's sweat
shops. Moore's plan is unsuccessful, but his appearance here is certainly apt
since The Corporation owes much to the kind of straight-talking, populist left-
wing activism Moore employed in Bowling For Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11.

Charting the birth of the corporation in the 1800s and spiralling forwards into
the present world of Enron's financial scandals, Halliburton's involvement in
Iraq, Microsoft's legal wranglings and the global and environmental impact of
the reckless pursuit of the dollar.

If Mikey is involved I'm not interested.
Quagmir
11-11-2004, 00:48
If Mikey is involved I'm not interested.

Ok, but apart from MM? His role was not exactly pivotal.
Friedmanville
11-11-2004, 01:29
You can tell the POV of the 'documentary' by who it chooses to include:

Noam Chomsky
Howard Zinn
Michael Moore

...if it had added some others like

Thomsas Sowell
David Boaz

or just about anyone with any clue about economics or economic policy, I would be willing to watch it.

As it stands now, no.
New Foxxinnia
11-11-2004, 01:35
If there's a fresh torrent out there I'll get it.

EDIT: Wow. That's ironic.
The Force Majeure
11-11-2004, 02:02
I'd like to see it to hear what Milton Friedman has to say...
Friedmanville
11-11-2004, 02:03
I'd like to see it to hear what Milton Friedman has to say...


Me too!!!!
The Force Majeure
11-11-2004, 02:05
Me too!!!!

I'd figure as much.

I do have to say, as it includes seven whole CEOs (out of the thousands of corporations out there), it could be made to enforce any point of view.
Utopio
11-11-2004, 02:25
Marxist slander.

Haven't seen it myself (have you?) but I do notice the site is sporting a tagline of the film by the Daily Telegraph - not a paper often in favour of Marxist films, lying or otherwise.

I'll save my opinion till I've watched the documentary, but I'm looking forward to this a whole lot better than Fahrenheit 9/11.
Friedmanville
11-11-2004, 02:31
For once I'd like to see a documentary trying to get to the bottom of something in a way that is as unbiased as possible, instead of a moviemaker trying to reenforce and spread his or her preconceived notions. Bah!
Cannot think of a name
11-11-2004, 03:15
Halfway through this documentary about the dangers of corporate power,
Michael Moore makes an appearance and tries to goad the CEO of Nike, Phil
Knight, into taking a trip with him to Indonesia to visit the country's sweat
shops. Moore's plan is unsuccessful, but his appearance here is certainly apt
since The Corporation owes much to the kind of straight-talking, populist left-
wing activism Moore employed in Bowling For Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11.
Really? Was it personality driven spectical, or more of a modernization of instructional/health films? I believe it was the latter. The scene of Michael Moore asking the Nike chair was from Moore's film The Big One. Had you continued to pay attention you would have caught where the Nike chair called Michael's bluff and called him to take the tour at a later date. The style was vastly different than any of Moore's films, as was the delivery.

Charting the birth of the corporation in the 1800s and spiralling forwards into
the present world of Enron's financial scandals, Halliburton's involvement in
Iraq, Microsoft's legal wranglings and the global and environmental impact of
the reckless pursuit of the dollar.

If Mikey is involved I'm not interested.

Largely it is a critique of how corporations are formed and regarded legally (as persons and required by law to only regard the bottom line). It does not demonize business or corporations themselves, but the institution that has been created around it. Moore is but one of the interview subjects and is not materially involved in the film.
Cannot think of a name
11-11-2004, 03:19
You can tell the POV of the 'documentary' by who it chooses to include:

Noam Chomsky
Howard Zinn
Michael Moore

...if it had added some others like

Thomsas Sowell
David Boaz

or just about anyone with any clue about economics or economic policy, I would be willing to watch it.

As it stands now, no.
Maybe like the CEO of Shell? Who confronted protesters in his front yard by having a frank discussion with them, more or less calling them on their rhetoric? Or the CEO of the largest textile manufacturer, who once he saw what his own factories did start to lead his corporation and others towards a more responsable policy regarding the impact they have? Or the dozens of other members of the corporate world that they interviewed and treated fairly as they dealt with a complicated subject?

Fuck people get all ansy when someone dares question anything....