NationStates Jolt Archive

Israeli Aggression against the Palestinian People
From: Monday, November 8, 2004
To: Tuesday, November 9, 2004


(3) Palestinians were killed and (15) were wounded, among them (2) children. (23) Palestinians were arrested. (540) trees and (46) dunams of Palestinian land were bulldozed. (9) houses, (4) vehicles, (3) security posts, (5) hothouses, and (2) economic establishments were destroyed or damaged. (70) dunams of Palestinian land were confiscated for Israeli settlement expansion. Palestinian areas were shelled and bombarded (21) times.


Jerusalem: The occupation forces imposed a strict siege on Palestinian worshippers inside the compound and deployed checkpoints and prevented hundreds of citizens from entering the city. They also bulldozed seventy dunams of Palestinian land in the village of Essawai to annex it to a military post.

Nablus: The occupation forces thrust into several neighborhoods in the city, firing machine guns at houses and killing one citizen and wounding three others. They also searched houses and arrested ten Palestinians and demolished a family house.

Jenin: The occupation forces demolished a store in the city and damaged nearby properties and continued to impose curfew on the refugee camp for the second week.

Tulkarem: The occupation forces invaded the city and its refugee camp and searched a house and arrested one resident.

Qalqilya: Maleh Shomron Jewish settlers backed by the occupation troops attacked Palestinian land in the village of Kofor Tholoth and uprooted olive trees.

Salfeet: The occupation forces penetrated into the village of Marda and searched houses and arrested six Palestinians and erected checkpoints and searched citizens.

Hebron: The occupation forces invaded the commercial center of the town of Yatta and fired tear gas canisters at citizens causing suffocation to four citizens and held Palestinians and arrested one youth.

Bethlehem: The occupation forces thrust into several villages, neighborhoods in the city, attacked citizens, searched houses, arrested four Palestinians, imposed curfew on the village of Taqou, stormed an elementary school and kicked students and staff out. A number of Palestinian prisoners suffered poisoning in the Israeli jail of Atsion.

Gaza: The occupation forces shot and killed two Palestinians in the eastern parts of Gaza. They also opened machinegun fire at Palestinian security posts in Sheik Ejleen and Moghraqa area causing damage.

Mid-Area: The occupation forces penetrated into El Birka area and bulldozed a security post and Palestinian agricultural land.

Rafah: The occupation forces shot & wounded a Palestinian woman in Salah Den area and thrust into Araibeh area and demolished four family houses and forty hothouses and agricultural land.

http://www.p-p-o.com/Eng/2004/kh11/9-11-2004.htm

That's the way it goes. We in the US lecture other nations on democracy and human rights but we basically ignore what Israel does.

Israel uses state terrorism, every day, against the Palestinians. Apparently such terrorism, when used by Israel, is somehow exempt from Bush's declaration of being against all terrorism, wherever it is committed.

Israel's reign of terror is just fine - and not only Bush believes this. During the presidential campaign Kerry declared that there was no bigger supporter of Israel, while he was in the Senate, than him.

So there you go. The Republicans and the Democrats don't care about the Palestinians, besides a few mavericks in both parties.

So, America continues to veto every significant condemnation by the UN of Israel, regarding its treatment of the Palestinians.

And we continue to arm Israel, we continue to support it with aid worth billions of dollars a year. And for what? All that does is to radicalize more muslims, to make them hate us more.

Crazy.

This is garbage spam. Stop posting this. The palestinians are terrosists.

This is garbage spam. Stop posting this. The palestinians are terrosists.

All of them? Or just a few? And the Israelis *never* commit state terrorism? Are you serious?

This is garbage spam. Stop posting this. The palestinians are terrosists.

Your comment is itself garbage spam. "The palestinians are terrosists [sic]"? Sounds like a sweeping, racist generalization if I ever heard one.

All of them? Or just a few? And the Israelis *never* commit state terrorism? Are you serious?
ovcourse not all of them, but they aren't angels too.
even if IDF make some mistakes, this is fight in terror.
army can't make terror, terror is militia fighting.
and before you blame Israel, I don't see that USA or France act in other way against the terrorists.

what would happen if the palestinians would blow up one israeli house, without making casualties? I think a full scale retaliation action would follow.

Is a palestinian house worth less then an israeli house? (it's allready an established fact that a palestinian life is considered of less value then an israeli life, check the statistics..)

what would happen if the palestinians would blow up one israeli house, without making casualties? I think a full scale retaliation action would follow.

Is a palestinian house worth less then an israeli house? (it's allready an established fact that a palestinian life is considered of less value then an israeli life, check the statistics..)
and again I ask you, did you see other movements that can help in the fight on terror, and dosen't harm the terrorists countrey (even if not whole of them is terrorists).

The poor 540 tree's. Jews are such murderous people to chop down 540 innocent tree's!! What have they done!! Absolutely nothing!! Not like the Palestinians who tie themselves up with explosives and run into restaurants, or those stupid kids who throw rocks at tanks, and get runover.

Think about the statistics!! 540 tree's were brutally murdered cold-blooded compared to the 3 Palestinians!! What a horror!!!


SAVE PALESTINE! THINK ABOUT THE TREE's! SAVE THE TrEE's! PLEASE!

and again I ask you, did you see other movements that can help in the fight on terror, and dosen't harm the terrorists countrey (even if not whole of them is terrorists).

Personally, I think that using violence against civilians and destroying the little infrastructure that they may have becomes a rationalisation for suicide bombers and other terrorists. Especially if you target the nation or group instead of the terrorists themselves.

While it is true that a state can use coercive methods to subdue a population, it is also true that such methods can go too far and create a backlash of resentment. This, I believe, is the case in Palestine. Therefore, if the Israeli state were to be less harsh in its treatment of Palestine, it may open an avenue for peace. This, however, is doubtful, as both sides have become too entrenched in violence.

Rather than destroying civilian lives that may be allied to terrorist activity, another solution for combatting terrorism would be to alleviate the situation of desperation that causes people to become terrorists. If Arab Muslims felt that they were in charge of their destiny, had access to education, healthcare, clean food and water, and freedom from violent attacks, I think that terrorist organisations would find it much more difficult to recruit young and desperate men.

By the way, your definition of terrorists as a militia that is not allied to any nation or state is etymologically correct. That does not mean that armies that are attached to a nation or state do not use terror tactics. Both the Israelis and Palestinians kill civilians, including children.

Green Israel:
and again I ask you, did you see other movements that can help in the fight on terror, and dosen't harm the terrorists countrey (even if not whole of them is terrorists).

I think Israel could win back it's moral strength by refraining from any retaliation whatsoever.

Give the terrorists no reason to attack (that is, retreat the settlers and stop destroying palestinian infrastructure). Focus completely on defence. This may not make sense militaristically (pre-emtive strikes may be more efficient), but how could we not support a country that only defends, never attacks?
Apart from those highly unaccurate qassam rockets or so, the terrorist have no way to attack Israel without crossing the border.
Somewhere in the bible it says 'when someone hits you, turn the other cheek'. That may sound harsh, but thats the only way a democracy can defeat terrorists.

It is impossible to be one sided about this conflict unless you either think what the government tells you think (support Israel) or go against everything the government says because it makes you feel like a bad ass (support Palestine). There can be no winner even if a war is fought by people who aren't even very willing to pick up a weapon, let alone a war fought by radical Muslims who would die for their nations a thousand times. Even people on the other side of the world should be able to understand the basic concept here...people good, terrorist bad.

army can't make terror, terror is militia fighting.
and before you blame Israel, I don't see that USA or France act in other way against the terrorists.

All that good old armies can do is ethnic clensing, genocides, largescale destruction of environment, radiative zones, control of public opinion, mine percentages of the countries agricultural land, shut-down a political administration and destroy country's productive and economical means. The poor backtied army can't do terrorism.

If one choses a government that fights a population without a regular army one has to be prepared to see consequences as foreign and domestic "terrorism".

And France is not currently punishing an ethnic group collectivly and hopefully learned the lesson from Algeria better than US did in Vietnam.

There is an acceptable solution of withdrawal from THE occupied territories and a JUST settelment on the refugee problem.
http://wikisource.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_242

This is an important thread/link as Palestine suffuring does rarely go out in world-media. Even in comparatively neutral Sweden it has been proven that media does not succed in giving a correct picture of the situation.

In no way do I support violent acctions.
It is important that we can spread information on Palestine suffering and the plans for a solution.

These two statements are obviously not contradictionary

The poor 540 tree's. Jews are such murderous people to chop down 540 innocent tree's!! What have they done!! Absolutely nothing!! Not like the Palestinians who tie themselves up with explosives and run into restaurants, or those stupid kids who throw rocks at tanks, and get runover.

Think about the statistics!! 540 tree's were brutally murdered cold-blooded compared to the 3 Palestinians!! What a horror!!!


SAVE PALESTINE! THINK ABOUT THE TREE's! SAVE THE TrEE's! PLEASE!

I want you to go away and find out how farmers make their income. In fact, just lookup farming. Once you know what farming is, along with "the harvest season", I dare you to make light of it.

Personally, I think that using violence against civilians and destroying the little infrastructure that they may have becomes a rationalisation for suicide bombers and other terrorists. Especially if you target the nation or group instead of the terrorists themselves.we target the terrorists, but the terrorists hide between the civilian. and we always try harm less when we could.
While it is true that a state can use coercive methods to subdue a population, it is also true that such methods can go too far and create a backlash of resentment. This, I believe, is the case in Palestine. Therefore, if the Israeli state were to be less harsh in its treatment of Palestine, it may open an avenue for peace. This, however, is doubtful, as both sides have become too entrenched in violence.

Rather than destroying civilian lives that may be allied to terrorist activity, another solution for combatting terrorism would be to alleviate the situation of desperation that causes people to become terrorists. If Arab Muslims felt that they were in charge of their destiny, had access to education, healthcare, clean food and water, and freedom from violent attacks, I think that terrorist organisations would find it much more difficult to recruit young and desperate men.we try it. we develope the area more than all the arab states, and gave the palastinians schools,roads,water and work. Arrafat declare war on israel before 4-5 years, and they loose all. israel is the only one who developed the areas and improved the civilians life. terrorist want terror and only terror, we can't do more than we did.

By the way, your definition of terrorists as a militia that is not allied to any nation or state is etymologically correct. That does not mean that armies that are attached to a nation or state do not use terror tactics. Both the Israelis and Palestinians kill civilians, including children.big difference, we target the terrorists and sometimes accidently harm the civilians, they target the civilians!

Green Israel:


I think Israel could win back it's moral strength by refraining from any retaliation whatsoever.

Give the terrorists no reason to attack (that is, retreat the settlers and stop destroying palestinian infrastructure). Focus completely on defence. This may not make sense militaristically (pre-emtive strikes may be more efficient), but how could we not support a country that only defends, never attacks?
Apart from those highly unaccurate qassam rockets or so, the terrorist have no way to attack Israel without crossing the border.
Somewhere in the bible it says 'when someone hits you, turn the other cheek'. That may sound harsh, but thats the only way a democracy can defeat terrorists.
that nonsense. first terrorists don't need reasons to attack.
second for focus on defence we need to buid the wall, and europe is against it even when this on the green line.
also, like you said, their is Qassams and israel as countrey, need to defend her citizens life, and that mind catch the qassams before they hit israeli house.
and last, the christians say that thing. the bible says "if someone want to kill you, kill him first."

Um, terrorists don't need reasons to attack? Do we think we are perhaps having a little empathy problem, here? You may not approve of terrorism, but that doesn't mean that anyone who practices it has no real goals or problems. Also, do you happen to know the psalm number of the phrase "if someone want [sic] to kill you, kill him first?"

to balance things a bit, check this

http://www.pmw.org.il/

pretty sick how palestinian childern are being indoctrinated to become suicide bombers.. :(

This is garbage spam. Stop posting this. The palestinians are terrosists.

So are the jews, you ignorant sheet wearing bigot.

So are the jews, you ignorant sheet wearing bigot.

The comment was ignorant and out of line, but your accusation of "sheet wearing" is just as ridiculous.

Um, terrorists don't need reasons to attack? Do we think we are perhaps having a little empathy problem, here? You may not approve of terrorism, but that doesn't mean that anyone who practices it has no real goals or problems. Also, do you happen to know the psalm number of the phrase "if someone want [sic] to kill you, kill him first?"
When I say reasons, I don't mind "kill all the ones who don't think like me, and establish the holy islamic empire on whole the world", like bin-ladin reasons. I don't think I need to be empathic to some on who want to kill me, my nations, and even you if he can. it's true that terror grow more with poorness and problems, but the terror leaders are radicals who try to kill as many as they can do.
and about that pharase, I am secular so I don't now that, but I sure that this is pharase from the judism.

Nobody listens to me, but what we have here is a serious pork deficiency. If the Israelis and Palestinians ate some bacon, all this trouble would cease. The world in general is screwed up, but the most screwed up places are those places where you are hard pressed to find a ham sandwich.

Look at Italy and Germany, both high pork areas. You never hear anything bad coming out of those places, except the two times Germany had a pork recession and started a world war. Everyone thinks they were out to conquer the world, when in truth, there are just an abundance of pigs and hogs in France. Who suffered most during those times? The non-pork eaters.

Then take China. They burst onto the scene with that mooshoo stuff and have just gone on to become a rising economic star.

But the critics cry out, "The Middle East isn't all in turmoil! Oman is doing well." Psst... hey Skippy... people in Oman eat pork! It just isn't wide spread, because then all of the other Arab states would condemn them, but how else do you explain the fancy cars and tall buildings? While praising the virtues of the Muslim faith, the capitalist scum of Oman have forged an Empire built on the remains of millions of cans of Spam and Beanie Weenies. Should there be an antichrist, there is no doubt amongst those in the know that he will rule with a heavy ham-like fist from this throne of swine!

In closing, history has shown us that the consumption of pork products have always been associated with world peace and brotherly love. So order bacon with that cheeseburger! Don't settle for chicken, have the cordon bleu! You want your baby back, baby back, baby back ribs! With BBQ sauce! Eat a pig today and save the world before it is too late!

Nobody listens to me, but what we have here is a serious pork deficiency. If the Israelis and Palestinians ate some bacon, all this trouble would cease. The world in general is screwed up, but the most screwed up places are those places where you are hard pressed to find a ham sandwich.

Look at Italy and Germany, both high pork areas. You never hear anything bad coming out of those places, except the two times Germany had a pork recession and started a world war. Everyone thinks they were out to conquer the world, when in truth, there are just an abundance of pigs and hogs in France. Who suffered most during those times? The non-pork eaters.

Then take China. They burst onto the scene with that mooshoo stuff and have just gone on to become a rising economic star.

But the critics cry out, "The Middle East isn't all in turmoil! Oman is doing well." Psst... hey Skippy... people in Oman eat pork! It just isn't wide spread, because then all of the other Arab states would condemn them, but how else do you explain the fancy cars and tall buildings? While praising the virtues of the Muslim faith, the capitalist scum of Oman have forged an Empire built on the remains of millions of cans of Spam and Beanie Weenies. Should there be an antichrist, there is no doubt amongst those in the know that he will rule with a heavy ham-like fist from this throne of swine!

In closing, history has shown us that the consumption of pork products have always been associated with world peace and brotherly love. So order bacon with that cheeseburger! Don't settle for chicken, have the cordon bleu! You want your baby back, baby back, baby back ribs! With BBQ sauce! Eat a pig today and save the world before it is too late!

Hmm... It's a good theory, but the US doesn't have nearly enough brotherly love and peace associated with it. And Americans eat a hell of a lot of pig.

The comment was ignorant and out of line, but your accusation of "sheet wearing" is just as ridiculous.

"Sheet wearing" translates into an affilation with the KKK. If I had to explain it to you....

to balance things a bit, check this

Yes, lets!

UN Security Council Resolutions on Israel since 1948


Res 101 (Nov 24, 53): Expressed 'strongest censure' of Israel for the first time because of its raid on Qibya.

Res 106 (Mar 29, 55): Condemned Israel for Ghazzah raid.

Res 111 (Jan 19, 56): Condemned Israel for raid on Syria that killed 56 people.

Res 127 (Jan 22, 58 ) : Recommended Israel to suspend its no-man's zone in Jerusalem.

Res 162 (Apr 11, 61) : Urged Israel to comply with UN decisions.

Res 171 (Apr 9, 62): Determined 'flagrant violation' by Israel in its attack on Syria.

Res 228 (Nov 25, 66): Censured Israel for its attack on Samu in Jordan.

Res 237 (June 14, 67): Urged Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.

Res 248 (Mar 24, 68 ) : Condemned Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.

Res 250 (Apr 27, 68 ) : Called on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.

Res 251 (May 2, 68 ) : Deeply deplored Israel's military parade in Jerusalem and declared invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as its capital.

Res 256 (Aug 16, 68 ) : Condemned Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation'.

Res 259 (Sep 27, 68 ) : Deplored Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.

Res 262 (Dec 31, 68 ) : Condemned Israel's attack on Beirut airport destroying the entire fleet of Middle East Airlines.

Res 265 (Apr 1, 69): Condemned Israel for air attacks on Salt in Jordan.

Res 267 (July 3, 69): Censured Israel for administrative acts to change status of Jerusalem.

Res 270 (Aug. 26, 69): Condemned Israel for air attack on villages in southern Lebanon.

Res 271 (Sep 15, 69): Condemned Israel's failure to comply with UN resolutions on Jerusalem.

Res 279 (May 12, 70): Demanded withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.

Res 280 (May 19, 70): Condemned Israeli attacks against Lebanon.

Res 285 (Sep 5, 70): Demanded immediate Israeli troop withdrawal from Lebanon.

Res 298 (Sep 25, 71): Deplored Israel's change of status of Jerusalem.

Res 313 (Aug 8, 72): Demanded Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.

Res 316 (June 26, 72): Condemned Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.

Res 317 (July 21, 72): Deplored Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted from Lebanon.

Res 332 (Apr 21, 73): Condemned Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.

Res 337 (Aug 15, 73): Condemned Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.

Res 347 (Apr 24, 74): Condemned Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

Res 425 (Mar 19, 78 ) : Called on Israel to withdraw its forces unconditionally from Lebanon.

Res 427 (May 3, 78 ) : Called on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.

Res 444 (Jan 19, 79): Deplored Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peace forces.

Res 446 (Mar 22, 79): Determined Israeli settlements as a 'serious obstruction' to peace, and called on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions.

Res 450 (June 14, 79): Called on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.

Res 452 (July 20, 79): Called on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.

Res 465 (Mar 1, 80): Deplored Israel's settlements and asked all member States not to assist Israel's settlement programme.

Res 467 (Apr 24, 80): Condemned Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.

Res 468 (May 8, 80): Called on Israel to rescind illegal expulsion of two Palestinian Mayors and a Judge, and to facilitate their return.

Res 469 (May 20, 80): Strongly deplored Israel's failure to observe the Council's order not to deport Palestinians.

Res 471 (June 5, 80): Expressed deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Res 476 (June 30, 80): Reiterated that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'.

Res 478 (Aug 20, 80): 'Censured in the strongest terms' Israel for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'basic law'.

Res 484 (Dec 19, 80): Declared it imperative Israel re-admit two Palestinian mayors.

Res 487 (June 19, 81): Strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility.

Res 497 (Dec 17, 81): Decided Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demanded that Israel rescind its decision forthwith.

Res 498 (Dec 18, 81): Called on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.

Res 501 (Feb 25, 82): Called on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.

Res 508 (June 6, 82): Demanded Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and un-conditionally from Lebanon.

Res 515 (July 29, 82): Demanded Israel lift its seige of Beirut and allow in food.

Res 517 (Aug 4, 82): Censured Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demanded Isreal withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

Res 518 (Aug 12, 82): Demanded Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.

Res 520 (Sep 17, 82): Condemned Israel's attack into West Beirut.

Res 573 (Oct 4, 85): Condemned Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO Headquarters.

Res 587 (Sep 23, 86): Took note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urged all parties to withdraw.

Res 592 (Dec 8, 86): Strongly deplored the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.

Res 605 (Dec 22, 87): Strongly deplored Israel's policies and practices denying human rights of Palestinians.

Res 607 (Jan 5, 88 ) : Called on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requested it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Res 608 (Jan 14, 88 ) : Deeply regreted that Israel had defied the UN and deported Palestinian civilians.

Res 636 (July 6, 89): Deeply regreted the Israeli deportation of Palestinians.

Res 641 (Aug 30, 89): Deplored Israel's continuous deportation of Palestinians.

Res 672 (Oct 12, 90): Condemned Israel for violence against Palestinians at Jerusalem's Haram Al-Sharif.

Res 673 (Oct 24, 90): Deplored Israel's refusal to cooperate with the UN.

Res 681 (Dec 20, 90): Deplored Israel's resumption of deportation of Palestinians.

Res 694 (May 24, 91): Deplored Israel's deportation of Palestinians and called on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.

Res 726 (Jan 1, 92): 'Strongly condemned' Israel's decision to resume deportation of Palestinians from 'Palestinian territories... including Jerusalem.'

Res 799 (Dec 19, 92): Deplored Israel's mass deportation of some 400 Palestinians and called for thir immediate return.




Vetoes cast by the United States to defend Israeli crimes:



Sep 10, 72: Condemned Israel's attacks on Southern Lebanon and Syria. Vote: 13 to 1 in favor with 1 abstention.

July 26, 73: Affirmed the rights of Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections. Vote: 13 to 1 in favor with China absent.

Dec 8, 75: Condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians. Vote: 13 to 1, with 1 abstention.

Jan 26, 76: Called for self-determination of Palestinian people. Vote: 9 to 1 with 3 abstentions.

Mar 25, 76: Deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognised as an International city by most world nations and the United Nations. Vote 14 to 1.

June 29, 76: Affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people. Vote: 10 to 1 in favour with 4 abstentions.

Apr 30, 80: Endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people. Vote: 10 to 1 in favour with 4 abstentions.

Jan 20, 82: Demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights. Vote: 9 to 1 in favour with 4 abstentions.

Apr 2, 82: Condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Ghazzah Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva Convention protocols of civilised nations. Vote: 14 to 1.

Apr 20, 82: Condemned an Israeli soldier who shot 11 Muslim worshippers in the Haram Al-Sharif near Al Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem. Vote: 14 to 1.

June 8, 82: Urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1.

June 26, 82: Urged sanctions against Israel if it did not end its invasion of Beirut, Lebanon and withdraw. Vote: 14 to 1.

Aug 8, 82: Urged cut-off of economic aid to Israel if it refuses to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon. Vote: 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions.

Aug 2, 83: Condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Ghazzah Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace. Vote 13 to 1 with 1 abstention.

Sep 6, 84: Deplored Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urged its withdrawal. Vote 14 to 1.

Mar 12, 85: Condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli 'Iron Fist' policy of repression. Vote: 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions. Sep 13, 85: Denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories. Vote: 10 to 1 with 4 abstentions.

Jan 17, 86: Strongly deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon. Vote 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions.

Jan 30, 86: Deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem which threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites. Vote 13 to 1 with 1 abstention.

Feb 6, 86: Condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger plane on 4 February. Vote: 10 to 1 with 1 abstention.

Jan 18, 88: Strongly deplored Israeli attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon. Vote: 13 to 1 with 1 abstention.

Feb 1, 88: Called for Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian uprising that violate the rights of the Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and formalise a leading role for the UN in future peace negotiations. Vote: 14 to 1.

Apr 15, 88: Urged Israel to reaccept deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices. Vote: 14 to 1.

May 10, 88: Condemned Israel's May 2 incursion into Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1.

Dec 14, 88: Strongly deplored Israel's commando raids on Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1.

Feb 17, 89: Strongly deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian uprising and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians. Vote 14 to 1.

June 9, 89: Strongly deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians. Vote: 14 to 1.

Aug 11, 89: Demanded Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian uprising. Vote: 14 to 1.

Mar 5, 90: Called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli occupied lands. Vote: 14 to 1.

(Sources: Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Washington, DC)


Oh, btw stop the flaming or warnings will be issued. Thank You!

ovcourse not all of them, but they aren't angels too.
even if IDF make some mistakes, this is fight in terror.
army can't make terror, terror is militia fighting.
and before you blame Israel, I don't see that USA or France act in other way against the terrorists.

The *DF are terrorist, you have no idea of what a terrorist is do you?

Cause it seems as if you either don't or are just another person (judged on your name) who ignores *sraels terrorist attacks

They are terrorist!

we target the terrorists, but the terrorists hide between the civilian. and we always try harm less when we could.
we try it. we develope the area more than all the arab states, and gave the palastinians schools,roads,water and work. Arrafat declare war on israel before 4-5 years, and they loose all. israel is the only one who developed the areas and improved the civilians life. terrorist want terror and only terror, we can't do more than we did.

big difference, we target the terrorists and sometimes accidently harm the civilians, they target the civilians!

Of course, those Palestinian children (some less than a year old) (PBUT) who were shot in the head by an *sraeli sniper were terrorist, or maybe just maybe the sniper sucked hard and missed his target. Strange, if he missed an hit the baby in the head he would have had to be doing it on purpose. I have seen lists of Palestinian children who were killed and many of them would have to have been on purpose. You don't aim for the head, you aim for the largest part of the body (Torso) so how the **** did he miss that bad? I'll tell you, he did it on purpose, he is a murderer as is the rest of the *DF!

that nonsense. first terrorists don't need reasons to attack.
second for focus on defence we need to buid the wall, and europe is against it even when this on the green line.
also, like you said, their is Qassams and israel as countrey, need to defend her citizens life, and that mind catch the qassams before they hit israeli house.
and last, the christians say that thing. the bible says "if someone want to kill you, kill him first."

First off, don't you dare bring the Messiah into this. Second the wall is nothing more than land stealing by the corrupt nation of *srael. Look at the map of the wall and tell me it isn't a land steal, because if you did, you have just lied...

"Sheet wearing" translates into an affilation with the KKK. If I had to explain it to you....

I understand it; I just think it's an asinine statement and makes you look like a moron.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

It would just be so much simplier(but wrong) if we nuked them both. The Isreals and Palistinains have so many issues its insane! I think A real solution can only really come about if the US becomes less biased agaisnt palistine. That would also probaly make the middle east hate us just a little less.

there is no justification for terrorist to target and murder inocents, especially children, no none I will not argue the point. If there is justification then Israel would be justified in carpet bombing it's enemies into the next life. So no, there is no justification. Just like if the Jews during WWII had known what was going on in the camps, there would be no justification for murdering German children. I doubt many Jews today would think the murder of German children in that way would be justified.

But the situation is complex over there and no one side is in the right on all things. You have to remember that Israel won the Six day war when Arab nations and what would become the PLO planned to destroy them. After WWII the victors pretty much split things as they saw fit, but that was ok wasn't it, because that was us!

So as difficult as it may be, talking not killing will resolve this.

there is no justification for terrorist to target and murder inocents, especially children, no none I will not argue the point. If there is justification then Israel would be justified in carpet bombing it's enemies into the next life. So no, there is no justification. Just like if the Jews during WWII had known what was going on in the camps, there would be no justification for murdering German children. I doubt many Jews today would think the murder of German children in that way would be justified.

But the situation is complex over there and no one side is in the right on all things. You have to remember that Israel won the Six day war when Arab nations and what would become the PLO planned to destroy them. After WWII the victors pretty much split things as they saw fit, but that was ok wasn't it, because that was us!

So as difficult as it may be, talking not killing will resolve this.

The aftermath of the Six day war and WWII are not comparable. While the US and USSR occupied those countries they conquered, and in the case of the Soviet Union installed puppet governments, neither tried to drive out the local inhabitants and annex the land to their own country. Even when China took over tibet, they at least made the tibetans Chinese citizens. In the Westbank, however, Israel is clearly trying to build as many settlements as possible, incorporate as much of this land as they can possibly get away with into Israel propper and make the Palestinian's lives so miserable they flee to jordan or elsewhere.

You also talk about how killing "innocents" is prima facie unjustifiable. I agree with that, but who do you consider innocent? Would you consider settlers who carry arms and often kill Palestinians with little fear of reprecussion "innocent"? Would you consider IDF soldiers who bulldoze houses innocent?

You also talk about how killing "innocents" is prima facie unjustifiable. I agree with that, but who do you consider innocent? Would you consider settlers who carry arms and often kill Palestinians with little fear of reprecussion "innocent"? Would you consider IDF soldiers who bulldoze houses innocent?

I'm sure pizza parlors, commuter buses, and night-clubs in tel-aviv, jerusalem and beersheba are full of settler teenagers.

Once again, people justify and applaud terrorism whenever it targets jews. We don't care.

The aftermath of the Six day war and WWII are not comparable. While the US and USSR occupied those countries they conquered, and in the case of the Soviet Union installed puppet governments, neither tried to drive out the local inhabitants and annex the land to their own country. Even when China took over tibet, they at least made the tibetans Chinese citizens. In the Westbank, however, Israel is clearly trying to build as many settlements as possible, incorporate as much of this land as they can possibly get away with into Israel propper and make the Palestinian's lives so miserable they flee to jordan or elsewhere.

You also talk about how killing "innocents" is prima facie unjustifiable. I agree with that, but who do you consider innocent? Would you consider settlers who carry arms and often kill Palestinians with little fear of reprecussion "innocent"? Would you consider IDF soldiers who bulldoze houses innocent?
No I would not consider a soldier, in a combat zone an inocent. I would a settler carrying a gun (legally), but here is where the lines get fuzzy. The settle who carries a gun and kills some one for any reason that to preserve his own or some one elses life, some one who kills some one just because they are of a particular race etc is as much a terrorist as the suicide bombers.
After WWII Germany lost much of it's territories and protectorates and they have never been restored. Yes the two wars were very different but my point is that when some one attacks you and you beat the S**te out of them for it, they can't expect things to go back to exactly how they were before.
There have been wars in fairly recent history where lands were taken from those that legally owned them, by right of conquest, just look and new mexico and texas. I'm not saying it's right I'm only saying it has happened.

Since 1948 the Israeli army contiues to murder innocent people.
In one case more than 3000 people were massacred in a refugee camp.
People were kicked out of there houses and left with noting, how would you feel if this happened to you.

Since 1948 the Israeli army contiues to murder innocent people.
In one case more than 3000 people were massacred in a refugee camp.
People were kicked out of there houses and left with noting, how would you feel if this happened to you.
I don't know, I suppose it depends very much on how I got the home in the first place.

The *DF are terrorist, you have no idea of what a terrorist is do you?

Cause it seems as if you either don't or are just another person (judged on your name) who ignores *sraels terrorist attacks

They are terrorist!
Israel isn't terrorists: We the ones who need to defence our lifes from terror attacks. We are the ones who has been attacked by terrorist more than all the rest of the world. We are the nation that other nations tried to kill and failed, from the start of the history, The most hatred nation on the world(even when there is no reasons). we are the ones that after we will dead, the terrorists will continue to Europe. we are the first who tried to solve the palastinian problem, when the arabs even don't tried to listen to them, but still this us fault.
maybe at least blame the terrorist too? or it's hard for you to think that there is something that isn't Israel fault?

First off, don't you dare bring the Messiah into this. Second the wall is nothing more than land stealing by the corrupt nation of *srael. Look at the map of the wall and tell me it isn't a land steal, because if you did, you have just lied...
why not bring him? all that stupid conflict based on religion.
the wall be proved as the most effective thing in the war on terror, and europe is against it even now when israel moved it to the green line.
and you keep say that all the things that israel did is a crime. find me different ways to fight the terror, when all the israeli tried to make peace, was refused by the palastinians.

Green Israel, Austrealite's opinions border on the insanely bigoted anti-semitic point of view. He doesn't even want to write the country's name!

It's better to ignore him.

The day any Islamic dictature (iran, syria, and about 20 other states) is as much criticized as the only jewish state, which is a democracy by the way, in the world, when that day comes, it will be either because the true Maschiah has come, or that every last jew has died and Israel is no more (g*d forbid).

The day any Islamic dictature (iran, syria, and about 20 other states) is as much criticized as the only jewish state, which is a democracy by the way, in the world, when that day comes, it will be either because the true Maschiah has come, or that every last jew has died and Israel is no more (g*d forbid).

It may seem unfair that Israel recieves a lot more criticism then the average dictatorship, but there may be a reason for that. If i would post that north korea violates human rights, it would be pretty old news. We don't expect them to do anything else. When a democracy violates human rights, it's a different story.
By criticising Israel's policy towards the palestinians, we at least take them serious as a democratic state. If my country would violate human rights, i sincerely hope it will be criticised for it. The day we stop caring about Israel's policies is a day we should fear (though a lot of ppl allready turned a blind eye on it..)

It may seem unfair that Israel recieves a lot more criticism then the average dictatorship, but there may be a reason for that. If i would post that north korea violates human rights, it would be pretty old news. We don't expect them to do anything else. When a democracy violates human rights, it's a different story.
By criticising Israel's policy towards the palestinians, we at least take them serious as a democratic state. If my country would violate human rights, i sincerely hope it will be criticised for it. The day we stop caring about Israel's policies is a day we should fear (though a lot of ppl allready turned a blind eye on it..)

So, what you mean to say is that it's okay to bash democracies and refuse them the right to defend themselves, while brutal dictatorships committing cruel deeds aren't of interest.
All right.

How about turning the trend? A lot of people turn a blind eye to media bias against Israel because they're simply fed up. Uneducated people and anti-semites do a good enough job of hating us already. Most arab nations do an excellent job of disseminating propaganda (http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=conflict&ID=SP39102), and I think the people who deserve the most help are not the fanatics. (http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=conflict&ID=SP42602)

If only people would understand...

This is the kind of dead-horse beating that just makes me believe that with all the documentation lying around, most internet antizionists are either jew-hating trolls, or trolls.

what about re-locating the next pope to Jerusalem...that would sort it

Al Anbar is right. The Palestinians are/were being abused on a daily basis.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/07/60minutes/main582487.shtml

Israeli Aggression against the Palestinian People
From: Thursday, November 11, 2004
To: Friday, November 12, 2004


(2) Palestinians were killed and (3) were wounded, among them (1) child. (2) Palestinians were arrested. (1) vehicle was damaged. Palestinian areas were shelled and bombarded (4) times.


Jerusalem: The occupation forces tightened military measures on the city preventing Palestinians from reaching Al Aqsa Mosque for Friday prayers.

Ramallah & al-Bireh: Two Palestinians were killed and three others were wounded when an explosive devise went off in their vehicle near Bir Zit checkpoint.

Jenin: The occupation forces continued for the second consecutive day preventing Palestinians from passing through Al Hamra checkpoint in order to reach Ramallah to take part in the funeral of President Yasser Arafat.

Qalqilya: The occupation forces opened fire at Palestinians taking part in a symbolic funeral of President Yasser Arafat. Two Palestinians were critically wounded, one arrested.

Salfeet: The occupation forces prevented Palestinians from reaching the city of Ramallah to participate in the funeral of President Yasser Arafat.

http://www.p-p-o.com/Eng/2004/kh11/12-11-2004.htm

It's amazing, that they are still attacking people for trying to take part in Arafat's funeral...

Israel isn't terrorists: We the ones who need to defence our lifes from terror attacks. We are the ones who has been attacked by terrorist more than all the rest of the world. We are the nation that other nations tried to kill and failed, from the start of the history, The most hatred nation on the world(even when there is no reasons). we are the ones that after we will dead, the terrorists will continue to Europe. we are the first who tried to solve the palastinian problem, when the arabs even don't tried to listen to them, but still this us fault.
maybe at least blame the terrorist too? or it's hard for you to think that there is something that isn't Israel fault?

*srael is a terrorist nation. Using Aircraft to level city blocks and major buildings trying to kill 1 or 2 terrorist taking our hundreds of Innocents still counts as terrorism. And you say *srael has been attacked from the start of history...unless I'm mistaken your so called *srael was created in 1948 after the British government screwed the Palestinians over. And don't bring Biblical Israel into it (May YHWH bless and keep her) because the current Israel is not, nor will it ever be biblical Israel!

The Curfews, which are responsible for deaths of hundreds of Palestinian Women and Children are terrorist attacks, Destroying Homes which are responsible for death as well are terrorist attacks, shooting at Palestinian children (which does happen) is a TERRORIST ATTACK.

Green Israel, Austrealite's opinions border on the insanely bigoted anti-semitic point of view. He doesn't even want to write the country's name!

It's better to ignore him.

The day any Islamic dictature (iran, syria, and about 20 other states) is as much criticized as the only jewish state, which is a democracy by the way, in the world, when that day comes, it will be either because the true Maschiah has come, or that every last jew has died and Israel is no more (g*d forbid).

I don't write the name because the true Biblical Israel doesn't exist as current Nation. This so called *srael is a counterfeit now and forever!

And where the **** do you get "Anti-Semite" from? The *srael nation has no true Shemites in power...the Jewish people for the most part don't decend from Shem so how can they be Shemites? Don't use the word when you don't know its meaning.

over 600 palestinian children have been in about 4 years. Do you think thats terrorism.
And i bet ur gonna say they were accidently shot, most of them were shot in the head or neck, showing the Israeli army was aiming to kill, plus the thousands of injured children mostly have head and neck injuries.

It aslo makes me sad that one of the head Rabis of israel told israeli ofiicials that, Its ok to kill civilians, its normal in war.

over 600 palestinian children have been in about 4 years. Do you think thats terrorism.
And i bet ur gonna say they were accidently shot, most of them were shot in the head or neck, showing the Israeli army was aiming to kill, plus the thousands of injured children mostly have head and neck injuries.

It aslo makes me sad that one of the head Rabis of israel told israeli ofiicials that, Its ok to kill civilians, its normal in war.

how many of these children were armed, and how many were throwing rocks (which is a weapon if you get hit by one) and were the bullets rubber (probably) and is it a tragedy (of course it is) and should the Palestinians be letting their children riot (probably not)

and targeting the economy (olive trees, houses) and support of a guerilla organization is considered reasonable under the rules of war.. shooting people as examples is not (which Israel could be doing and isn't)....

so yes, Israel has tight controls in Palestinian areas, and has overreacted at times, but all the military options they have taken are allowed under the Geneva convention. Would you be happy if they simply went back to Europe (the Jews)....after all, EUROPE has treated them so very well historically (sarcasm intended)

Would you be happy if they simply went back to Europe (the Jews)....

Very Happy, My family can have its Land Back, and the houses they stole from us.

Plus, Someone is throwing a rock at you, the best solution, Kill them
Makes a lot of sense.

Very Happy, My family can have its Land Back, and the houses they stole from us.

Plus, Someone is throwing a rock at you, the best solution, Kill them
Makes a lot of sense.
How did you confuse rocket launchers, automatic weapons and high explosives (which the Palestinians use to kill preganant women and small children) with ROCKS? Even the kids get an AK47 as soon as they're old enough to point it at a Jewish child.

And your family want something back, tell them to go and ask Egypt, or Jordan, whichever of the two they're really from.

a couple of other points....

all of the land that Israelis owned prior to 1948 was purchased from Arabs during the period when Palestine was ruled by Turkey, then the UK...

the 1947 UN resolution called for both Arabs and Jews to have land in Palestine, the Arabs didn't accept this, attacked, lost, and then Egypt and Jordan annexed the Gaza Strip and West Bank (which were supposed to go to the Palestinians)... in 1967, in a really bad decision, Nassar closed the Red Sea to Israeli civilian merchant ships, the UN failed to act, Nassar massed troops in Sinai, told the world that he was going to drive Israel into the sea, Hussain (Jordan) agreed to help, and Israel defeated them soundly in 6 days, annexing both territories.... Israel gave up Sinai in the Camp David Accord with Egypt, but Jordan has not signed a treaty with Israel.

So here is the question... would there be a refugee problem for the Palestinians, or Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank if the Arabs had accepted the 1947 UN Resolution?

Didn't you already had an issue on the same subject?

Who cares, I wish it was twice daily.

For any bigoted antisemites out there who try to delegitimize even the word people use to coin the term "It's just that I hate jews" :


The political writer Wilhelm Marr is credited with coining the German word Antisemitismus in 1873, at a time when racial science was fashionable in Germany but religious prejudice was not. This term was offered as an alternative to the older German word Judenhass, meaning Jew-hatred. The aim of the effort to rename "Jew-hatred" into Anti-Semitism, was to give "Jew-hatred" a more scientific basis, however, it was never intended to eliminate the concept of hatred towards Jews based on the Christian conspiracies and legends so popular with the general population. In his book, The Victory of Judaism over Germanicism (1879), Marr took up secular racist ideas of Arthur de Gobineau's An Essay on the Inequality of Human Races (1853, though direct influence is debatable. Marr's book became very popular, and in the same year he founded the League of Anti-Semites (Antisemiten-Liga), the first German organization committed specifically to combatting the alleged threat to Germany posed by the Jews, and advocating their forced removal from the country. The 1870s were times of heightened social tensions in Germany due to the October 1873 stock market crash.

So far as can be ascertained, the word was first printed in 1881. In that year Marr published "Zwanglose Antisemitische Hefte," and Wilhelm Scherer used the term "Antisemiten" in the "Neue Freie Presse" of January. The related word semitism was coined around 1885. See also the coinage of the term Palestinian by Germans to refer to the nation or people known as Jews, as distinct from the religion of Judaism.


Misnomer
The term has always referred to prejudice towards Jews alone, and not to other people who speak semitic languages (e.g., Arabs) and this has been the only use of this word for more than a century. In recent decades some people have argued that the term anti-Semitism should be extended to include prejudice against Arabs, since Arabic is a semitic language. However, this usage has not been widely adopted. In that there are few instances of prejudice against both Arabs and Jews to the exclusion of other races or nationalities, and in fact many more instances of antagonism between Jews and Arabs than of a specific bias against both groups together, there would seem to be little need for a word to describe such a prejudice, and to redefine 'antisemitism' would result in robbing the word of any usefulness.

Despite the use of the prefix "anti," the terms Semitic and Anti-Semitic are not antonyms. To avoid the confusion of the misnomer, many writers on the subject (such as Emil Fackenheim of the Hebrew University) now favor the unhyphenated term antisemitism.

An alternative term, "Judeophobia", stands for fear or irrational hatred of Jews. It was invented by Leon Pinsker and first appeared in his 1882 pamphlet Autoemancipation (text). As a professional physician, Pinsker preferred the medical term as he knew that a combination of mutually exclusive assertions is a characteristic of a psychological disorder.
(taken from wikipedia.org)



For any bigoted nimrods who don't take wikipedia as a serious source, the definition is pretty much the same in any other encyclopedia.

Not that I'm targeting any trolls out there who even write the name of g.d, and must be so angry that Israel exists and thrives as a nation, country and state... :D

Who cares, I wish it was twice daily.
for what? why don't just make one official issue about the middle east, and put there all that subjects?

for what? why don't just make one official issue about the middle east, and put there all that subjects?

Aggression against the "Palestinian" state...

hey, 21st century, nice to meet you.


What?

A child with a gun is as deadly as a man with a gun, and a large rock will kill as assuredly as a bullet. When childrens fathers stop telling them how good it is to hurt or kill isreali's and the faerie tale of martyrdom...then we may see less casualties. The fact is no one bemoans the isreali dead, because its not as cool to. Once every 50 years there is a massive rise in antisemitism, has been for the last 1200 years...look it up. Fact is Palestine the nation, was created during a spat of anti semitism in 1905 i have an atlas that is 1903 to 1905 dealing with many border changes the british empire made. Judea became palestine in 1905 due to a surge of anti semitism in the empire. Now the fact is if the arab people love there palestinians brothers so much...why dont they give them some land as well. Why do they ask only isreal to.

The fact is the jews rightfully own isreal, and always fulfilled the obligations of the peace plan. The walls and all the other attempts were for there own safety. The moment a 2 week ceasefire is called. Hamas those disgusting cowards, who convince children to become martyrs while hiding in mosques, strikes isreal and kills its people. Look at the holocaust. Then look at all the anti jewish rallies in the middle east. If you want to know why isreali's may overreact sometimes. You try living under the constant fear of being anhilated by blood mad enemies. There are usually more people in one gathering screaming death to isreal then in the whole nation of isreal. Hopefully now that the terrorist Arafat is dead, calmer heads will prevail, they will wipe out hamas, and peace will finally be achieved. Isreal is pulling out of the gaza strip and west bank. Its in palestines court once again, much like in 2000. Lets hope the majority of peace loving palestinians choose that path.

Much like in america how gay marriages were voted down, its the will of the people that speaks. If the will of palestinians is peace..then it will be peace. If its war...then it will be war.

Not for nothing, but I saw Arafat's funeral and burial. The funeral was breathtaking. Egypt really outdid themselves... I thought it was better than any presidential funeral I've ever seen. The burial sucked ass. The Palestinians acted like animals. Bury the man with dignity you morons. Israel kept out of it, which was nice. There will never be peace in the Middle East until Muslim nations recognize Israel as a nation. A Palestinian state won't change this fact.

Solution? Step back and let them figure it out themselves. If they talk, great. If they fight, great. Coexistence? Great. Genocide? Great. They all just drop dead? Great. Peace is a two way street. Israel is going one way, Palestine the other. They want to fight. They want to kill each other. They look for exscuses to do so. Great! Dead Israelis? Great. Dead Palestinians? Great. Israeli kids lost? Great! Palestinian kids lost? Great! I don't care anymore! I don't need to care. Israel and Palestine are the ones kicking each other's ass. Let them care.

Solution? Step back and let them figure it out themselves. If they talk, great. If they fight, great. Coexistence? Great. Genocide? Great. They all just drop dead? Great. Peace is a two way street. Israel is going one way, Palestine the other. They want to fight. They want to kill each other. They look for exscuses to do so. Great! Dead Israelis? Great. Dead Palestinians? Great. Israeli kids lost? Great! Palestinian kids lost? Great! I don't care anymore! I don't need to care. Israel and Palestine are the ones kicking each other's ass. Let them care.
I think you should care. this war is what make exscuse to bin-ladin and al-qaida to make terror.
and you know that if this will going in the genocide way, the world will need to send neutral soldiers to solve it(like they did in eastern europe before some years), and then your countries will lose soldiers too.

Did anyone watch Arafat's "funeral" in Ramallah yesterday? I tell ya, those whacky arabs are funny.. I mean, they were goin totally apeshit.. way to respect the dead. :rolleyes: ;) Let's face it: the Israel/Palestine conflict's gonna end with only one group still standing.. and it won't be the muslims.. sad but true. :(

Did anyone watch Arafat's "funeral" in Ramallah yesterday? I tell ya, those whacky arabs are funny.. I mean, they were goin totally apeshit.. way to respect the dead. :rolleyes: ;) Let's face it: the Israel/Palestine conflict's gonna end with only one group still standing.. and it won't be the muslims.. sad but true. :(
let's hope so.
or maybe the peace idea work and that would be better.

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Ramallah & al-Bireh: Two Palestinians were killed and three others were wounded when an explosive devise went off in their vehicle near Bir Zit checkpoint.

. . .



Oh, this one's just hilarious! :D It is so obviously Israel's fault that these dumbasses were so fucking incompetent that they only managed to murder themselves! :D

I think you should care. this war is what make exscuse to bin-ladin and al-qaida to make terror.
and you know that if this will going in the genocide way, the world will need to send neutral soldiers to solve it(like they did in eastern europe before some years), and then your countries will lose soldiers too.

Uh no. Europe was a different story, as the nations in Europe wanted the help. Even Iraq is different, because despite all the violence going on, a cruel man has been taken out of a position of dictatorship that he used to hurt people, and many Iraqis are welcoming the challenge of creating a new, brighter future. The help is wanted by some.

Israel and Palestine don't want help. They just want to bicker and kill each other and never stop. They have both proven this time and again. Neither Israel, nor Palestine can compare to Iraq and Afghanistan when it comes to the caliber of the people there. At least some people in Iraq and Afghanistan want to better themselves and help their neighbors better themselves too. Israel and Palestine only seek to outdo each other. Argue all you want, but history is a great painter.

Oh, this one's just hilarious! :D It is so obviously Israel's fault that these dumbasses were so fucking incompetent that they only managed to murder themselves! :D

Well obviously... if the Israelis didn't piss off those arabs, the arabs wouldn't have had to build that bomb to kill the Israelis, and wouldn't have blown themselves up! It's Israeli oppression!! :mad:

Furthermore dude, Bin Laden ain't got jack nor shit to do with Israel or Palestine. If that's his exscuse of the day? Fine. Let him feel important. He may hit us again, he may not, but we're not Spain. We won't do things differently because it might anger a madman. If he gets us? We'll pick up the pieces and carry on. It's at his own risk, though, because I would truly hate to be a Muslim in America if Osama did anything more stateside. Would he endanger his own people? Probably. The idiot probably considers them martyrs, when the Average Al-Joe from Pittsburgh probably just wants to make enough money to buy World Cup coverage on satellite TV.

I don't write the name because the true Biblical Israel doesn't exist as current Nation. This so called *srael is a counterfeit now and forever!

And where the **** do you get "Anti-Semite" from? The *srael nation has no true Shemites in power...the Jewish people for the most part don't decend from Shem so how can they be Shemites? Don't use the word when you don't know its meaning.

Now a word of explaination:

Austrealite subscribes to a pseudo-intellectual theory that says that most modern Jews are descended from the Khazars, who converted.

Now, the "scholar" who can up with this brillient gem showed his true credentials by declaring the Khazars to be Hamites, and so Austealite goes on in saying that the Jews are not Shemites.

But the Khazars were Turks, who were Tartars, who were Mongols, who were... Shemites. The so-called "scholarship" behind Austrealite's beliefs is thus ludicrously flawed, and nothing sensible should be imagined as coming from them. Austrealite may know the meaning of the word "S(h)emite", but he does not know how to properly apply it, just like logic, and like the word "Israelite". You see, Austrealite thinks that he is an Israelite. Why? Because he is white, that is, a Japhethite (not a Shemite). After all, wouldn't G-d WANT the Whites to be His Chosen People?

Do you like the obvious hypocricy of a Jephethite claiming to be a true Israelite, while denying the Jews that claim because, although they are Shemites, they may have inherited some racial descent from other Shemites? Just watch... it gets better... ;)

Very Happy, My family can have its Land Back, and the houses they stole from us.

Plus, Someone is throwing a rock at you, the best solution, Kill them
Makes a lot of sense.

Seen the "rocks" they throw? It's more like a rock with nails pounded through, and duct tape to keep the basic rock shape from crumbling. Plus, kids throw these rocks while standing in rows in front of men with rifles. Soldiers try to hit those men's knees, and the kids shove their heads in the way. These kids also throw molotovs.

Just to be clear, I have said this before, there are certainly war criminals on the Israeli side, some of whom do target kids. But it is the Palestinian "freedom fighters" who put those kids on the front lines.

I can't tell from this one post if you are speaking as a Jew whose family lost land in WWII, or as a Palestinian whose family lost land in 1948... ?

But I must ask... have the Jews ever asked for a "right of return" to the lands that they lost to their "islamic" arab "neighbours" in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Lybia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, etc. etc. etc. after the Ottomons, who were actually providing the rule of law, bit the wrong weenie in WWI?

God Green Israel you need to learn to spell right. What are you, stupid or something?

God Green Israel you need to learn to spell right. What are you, stupid or something?

His English is understandable, at least to an intelligent person.

How is your Hebrew, Phil?

My name isn't Phil. Phil is a reference to someone that lives here. Stupid.

My name isn't Phil. Phil is a reference to someone that lives here. Stupid.

1) that does not answer my question at all, thank you;

2) it could well be called "stupid" for you to attack me personally for calling you by the only name that you have here, the name that you have taken for yourself for whatever reason, especially in light of the fact that everyone here refers to eachother by their usernames; it is just basic netiquette: even if you know somebody's rl name, do not use it openly unless they themselves use it openly;

3) calling people "stupid" will get you warned pretty soon, and then banned if you keep it up, Phil;

4) it could also be called "stupid" to attack somebody's abilities in English, especially when it is obvious that it is their (at least) second language.



I asked you a question, Phil, and I will now ask you another: how many languages can you speak/write in?

Yeah, Green Israel gets his point across fine. I got no issues with bad spelling when the thoughts behind the words (however mispelled) convey intelligence. This is, for all intents, a world forum expressed in the English language. For some folks English may be a second, third, or even fourth language. Spelling and grammatical errors are a given.

Furthermore dude, Bin Laden ain't got jack nor shit to do with Israel or Palestine. If that's his exscuse of the day? Fine. Let him feel important. He may hit us again, he may not, but we're not Spain. We won't do things differently because it might anger a madman. If he gets us? We'll pick up the pieces and carry on. It's at his own risk, though, because I would truly hate to be a Muslim in America if Osama did anything more stateside. Would he endanger his own people? Probably. The idiot probably considers them martyrs, when the Average Al-Joe from Pittsburgh probably just wants to make enough money to buy World Cup coverage on satellite TV.
I don't say that he stop make terror, if israel make peace with all the arabs states, but I tihnk that sometimes, when you take from some one his exscuses, it will be hard to him take support, or get his targets.

That's true, but Bin Laden doesn't need exscuses anymore. He's a walking target, see? He could find a cure to AIDS, grow a miracle drug that extends life another fifty years, and rescue a kitten out of a tree, and the second he steps out of his cave, there'll be a GI waiting there to off his ass. The walking dead need no reason for anything they do.

That's true, but Bin Laden doesn't need exscuses anymore. He's a walking target, see? He could find a cure to AIDS, grow a miracle drug that extends life another fifty years, and rescue a kitten out of a tree, and the second he steps out of his cave, there'll be a GI waiting there to off his ass. The walking dead need no reason for anything they do.
this right, but if he dead man walking, why he continue to send video tapes to the press, like he did before the elections in spain and USA? for someone who know it dosen't critical the name of the president. what he try to get if he had no reasons?

this right, but if he dead man walking, why he continue to send video tapes to the press, like he did before the elections in spain and USA? for someone who know it dosen't critical the name of the president. what he try to get if he had no reasons?


Because Bush wants to kill him. Maybe Kerry would have let him live in seclusion and taken the heat off him. It worked in Spain. They forgot about terror and killing him now. Who knows why? As bad ass as he thinks he is, you know he has to be wondering where it's going to come from and when.

Because Bush wants to kill him. Maybe Kerry would have let him live in seclusion and taken the heat off him. It worked in Spain. They forgot about terror and killing him now. Who knows why? As bad ass as he thinks he is, you know he has to be wondering where it's going to come from and when.
yes, but in this times, he don't say stop fight the terror. he take the war in Iraq and gave it as excsuse. theoretical, if he will had no excsises, he will had less terrorist who want to explode for him (if we think that his terrorists had more reasons than "kill all the ones who don't muslims")

We don't need duplicate threads like this. Threads merged.

Now a word of explaination:

Austrealite subscribes to a pseudo-intellectual theory that says that most modern Jews are descended from the Khazars, who converted.

Now, the "scholar" who can up with this brillient gem showed his true credentials by declaring the Khazars to be Hamites, and so Austealite goes on in saying that the Jews are not Shemites.

But the Khazars were Turks, who were Tartars, who were Mongols, who were... Shemites. The so-called "scholarship" behind Austrealite's beliefs is thus ludicrously flawed, and nothing sensible should be imagined as coming from them. Austrealite may know the meaning of the word "S(h)emite", but he does not know how to properly apply it, just like logic, and like the word "Israelite". You see, Austrealite thinks that he is an Israelite. Why? Because he is white, that is, a Japhethite (not a Shemite). After all, wouldn't G-d WANT the Whites to be His Chosen People?

Do you like the obvious hypocricy of a Jephethite claiming to be a true Israelite, while denying the Jews that claim because, although they are Shemites, they may have inherited some racial descent from other Shemites? Just watch... it gets better... ;)

I don't have much time, so I'll be quick. First off, the Khazars are not decendants of Shem, Second, I'm not white, and you are racist for using that word as a White person can be one of many different Races...

It aslo makes me sad that one of the head Rabis of israel told israeli ofiicials that, Its ok to kill civilians, its normal in war.

None of the rabbis involved with that statement were one of the "Head rabbis". They represent sizeable numbers of people among the religious settlers, but they are not official representatives of the state. They are analogous to the various right-wing extremist Mullahs or Imams who justify suicide bombings or 9/11.

All groups have psychos. Sad but true.

Israel and Palestine don't want help. They just want to bicker and kill each other and never stop. They have both proven this time and again. Neither Israel, nor Palestine can compare to Iraq and Afghanistan when it comes to the caliber of the people there. At least some people in Iraq and Afghanistan want to better themselves and help their neighbors better themselves too. Israel and Palestine only seek to outdo each other. Argue all you want, but history is a great painter.

Aren't willfull ignorance and selective uses of history great? :rolleyes:

Can't we all just get along?
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I don't have much time, so I'll be quick. First off, the Khazars are not decendants of Shem, Second, I'm not white, and you are racist for using that word as a White person can be one of many different Races...

Let's please leave this thread to its own inherent risks of lockage and take it over here:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=373362

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