NationStates Jolt Archive

You are against abortion, but they don't adopt children. Or support free-lunch programs, or welfare. You want the child to be born, but you won't pay for it.

You support the war, but you won't send your children, and you don't want to pay any taxes to support it.

How about you take your "patriotism" and "morals" and shove them.

You don't know the first thing about eitheir one of them. But you flippantly use the terms.

You should pick up a fucking biology book, and a dictionary. Instead of that piece of shit book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundementalists. And if you're not bright enough to realize what book I'm talking about, well you're just a dumbass.

Name-calling and insulting someone's holy document is not going to get people to listen to you.

If you want to get your point across, do it in a calm and civilised way.

Your basicly beginning to sound like a broken record......calm down already we all get your view and hatred for republicans.

I agreed with you until the last paragraph, but recklessly defaming my religion without any evidence to support your position made me lose all respect for you.

I thought the bible was written before the christian fundamentalists came along.

Damn pinko - commie history books confusing me.

all of the books up to the 4 gospels (mathhew mark luke and John) were and everything (including the gospels) post old testement is just a fufillment of the old testament. Oh and to the starter of this thread not very tactful to just lash out and generalize like that especially without and back up evidence. But I just have one question Democrats always claim to be the common mans person but yet the polls showed only the the extreme ppor and upper class intellectuals in the arts area voted democratic (if necessary will get link to site) Now I am not republican or democratic actually i did a write in, but I was just wondering. Thanks!

Democratic Hypocrisies:

1. Generalizing.
2. Blaming religion, when they themselves may be religious.
3. Flip-flopping horribly. "You may be right, but I may be right, but then again, what is right? How may we define what is right if you and I disagree on what is right? etc. etc."
4. Being partisan in general.

Oh yeah, don't assume I'm republican simply because I disagree with you, I can see that coming a mile away.

Ah Alansysists.

How I missed your fine posts.

I agreed with you until the last paragraph, but recklessly defaming my religion without any evidence to support your position made me lose all respect for you.

You previously had respect for him?

I hope that it was the default respect that one has for a human being that one has yet to meet!

Yeah like the left is so great, give me a break.

You are against abortion, but they don't adopt children. Or support free-lunch programs, or welfare. You want the child to be born, but you won't pay for it.

You support the war, but you won't send your children, and you don't want to pay any taxes to support it.

How about you take your "patriotism" and "morals" and shove them.

You don't know the first thing about eitheir one of them. But you flippantly use the terms.

You should pick up a fucking biology book, and a dictionary. Instead of that piece of shit book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundementalists. And if you're not bright enough to realize what book I'm talking about, well you're just a dumbass.

Just who are these "Repbulicans" against whom you rail?

I've never heard of them before-are they new, or something?

Yeah like the left is so great, give me a break.
the left at least doesnt promote terrorism the way the right does

You are against abortion, but they don't adopt children. Or support free-lunch programs, or welfare. You want the child to be born, but you won't pay for it.

I'm not a Republican, but as someone who is strongly pro-life with an adopted sister, and who has pro-life friends who have raised over 60 foster children and adopted several more (that's one couple I'm talking about here), I don't really appreciate the generalism. What statistic do you have that shows zero Republicans adopt children (as you do, in fact, grammatically state), or even fewer than Democrats? In fact, many major adoption agencies, including those used by non-Christians, were at least founded by Christians (such as Bethany, which is avowedly pro-life and has 75 offices in America, as well as "ministries" in 15 other countries).

the left at least doesnt promote terrorism the way the right does

MKULTRA don't even start with that BS. I would ask for examples but knowing you, you'd spout propoganda or some conspiracy theories about Halliburton. Don't go there. Everytime you do, people discredit you with better sources and just plain old logical thought.

You are against abortion, but they don't adopt children. Or support free-lunch programs, or welfare. You want the child to be born, but you won't pay for it.

You support the war, but you won't send your children, and you don't want to pay any taxes to support it.

How about you take your "patriotism" and "morals" and shove them.

You don't know the first thing about eitheir one of them. But you flippantly use the terms.

You should pick up a fucking biology book, and a dictionary. Instead of that piece of shit book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundementalists. And if you're not bright enough to realize what book I'm talking about, well you're just a dumbass.
There are always free school lunches for the poor regardless of which party is in power. Both parties have screwed up welfare. Conservatives think that even if a hard-working, able-bodied American can't make ends meat, he or she is screwed. On the other hand, liberals thinks that last people that could work but refuse because they are lazy should get taken care of by taxpayer money. Obviously, both are full of crap.
Don't forget that World War I, II, and Vietnam were all started by 20th century Democrats, so don't say 'support war.' I think that we all hate war, but we know when it necessary. Look at Pat Tillman, a millionaire NFL star whom left to serve, or recently, the rich lawyer that left to serve. It's not all about class distinction. It's about being an American.
Way to make this about religion and display your pinnacle tolerance. It appears as though we know who the real fool is in this post, sir.

*sigh*

Not the way to get your points across...

I got an example for you

Alabama just shot down an amendment to the constitution called Amendment 2. What it would do was remove poll taxes and all the other racial segragationsit crap. But the Christian Coalition, some other fanatic christian group and Roy Moore all opposed this amendment. Why and why was it shot down? One other thing it was removing was soemthgin that said no one has the right to education (used to block black kids from schools i presume) and with that gone people could be taxed to fund education.

BOTTOM LINE

Alabamians (70%+ republican state) shot down an amendment SOLELY because it would allow taxes to be raised ONLY to fund education


god forbid some one raise your taxes. damned republicans

Don't insult we Republicans. We're so used to it that your insults take no effect.

Yeah like the left is so great, give me a break.

Lets go through that item by item.

1- The Higher taxes are for the wealthy. No effect on the lower class.

2 - If it weren't for public educations, only those with large somes of money could get educated. Also, if it wasn't for government interference, Brown v. Board of Education would have ment nothing.

3 - Its not that we think they are inferrior, its that they aren't treated fair. Its like giveing your cookie to the kid who got his lunch money stolen.

4 - If you remember, post civil war the sound was solid democratic. This is because Lincoln was a republican. Those democrats were Pre JFK/LBJ. You forgot that the party's switched on these sorts of issues.

5 - this doesnt even make sence.

You are against abortion, but they don't adopt children. Or support free-lunch programs, or welfare. You want the child to be born, but you won't pay for it.

We don't adopt children?? I'm sure you have facts to back up your ridiculous allegations. Free-lunch programs and welfare? These aren't related to the children AT ALL. It costs money to have kids. This issue is irrelevant.

You support the war, but you won't send your children, and you don't want to pay any taxes to support it.

We don't "send" our children! No one does. Iirc, you have to be 18 to JOIN the military. That means you are old enough to make the CHOICE to JOIN. VOLUNTARILY.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that tax cuts are good for the economy. I don't have time to explain to you why, and you probably wouldn't understand anyway.

How about you take your "patriotism" and "morals" and shove them.

:rolleyes: I'll tell you where I'll shove my undying love for my country and my belief that right is better than wrong. Actually, no, I won't. I like to use a little thing called "tact".

You don't know the first thing about eitheir one of them. But you flippantly use the terms.

I know that I live in the greatest country in the world and I would HAPPILY die defending it. I know that my "piece of **** book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundamentalists" governs the way I live my life and I would gladly give up my way of life to serve its author (God). And I know that I don't appreciate you defaming the Morals this country was founded on.

You should pick up a fucking biology book, and a dictionary. Instead of that piece of shit book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundementalists. And if you're not bright enough to realize what book I'm talking about, well you're just a dumbass.

I do pick up biology books, and dictionaries, and my Bible. What are you insinuating, Republicans/Christians (you seemed to bundle them together) are dumb? (BTW, if you want to talk about hypocrisies, you should pick up an english book, because you have a problem with 1st/3rd person.)

This is simply another classic demonstration of why you shouldn't drink and type.

Here, let me make an equally overly-generalizing and ridiculous post about democrats.

You say you love your country, but you don't want to defend it.

You say communism is bad, but you want to steal from the rich and give to the poor.

You say taxes are too high, but criticize the president who gives you a cut.

You say we should uphold the constitution, but you want to ban guns.

So take your ****in commie books and your socialist america-hating agenda to france, you sob's! Or better yet, move to ****ing Cuba and suck Fidel's bit tits like the panzies you are!!!!


Now, you see, a few of the thigns I brought up MAY have had a grain of truth in them, but the over-generalizations, hateful rhetoric, lack of tact, and unintelligent ramble made it not only ineffective, but offensive.

Just trying to prove a point.

I love uninformed, misguided teenage angst.

You are against abortion, but they don't adopt children. Or support free-lunch programs, or welfare. You want the child to be born, but you won't pay for it.

You support the war, but you won't send your children, and you don't want to pay any taxes to support it.

How about you take your "patriotism" and "morals" and shove them.

You don't know the first thing about eitheir one of them. But you flippantly use the terms.

You should pick up a fucking biology book, and a dictionary. Instead of that piece of shit book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundementalists. And if you're not bright enough to realize what book I'm talking about, well you're just a dumbass.
Although I don't see any other way to allow women the right to protect themselves, I have a personal revulsion for abortion. I also adopted three children.

I volunteered for the military and served two years in Vietnam so my children wouldn't have to go to war. I paid greats amounts of taxes during both my military career and my subsequent civilian career(s).

And you can take your irrational and non-factually based tirades, roll them into small globes and insert them deeply into your nethermost parts.

Democratic Hypocrisies:

1. Generalizing.
2. Blaming religion, when they themselves may be religious.
3. Flip-flopping horribly. "You may be right, but I may be right, but then again, what is right? How may we define what is right if you and I disagree on what is right? etc. etc."
4. Being partisan in general.

Oh yeah, don't assume I'm republican simply because I disagree with you, I can see that coming a mile away.

Hypocrite Hypocrisies:

1. Accusing a group of generalization.
2. Vilifying people for trying to find the truth.
3. Accusing the opposing party of a partisan bias.

Although I don't see any other way to allow women the right to protect themselves, I have a personal revulsion for abortion. I also adopted three children.

I volunteered for the military and served two years in Vietnam so my children wouldn't have to go to war. I paid greats amounts of taxes during both my military career and my subsequent civilian career(s).

And you can take your irrational and non-factually based tirades, roll them into small globes and insert them deeply into your nethermost parts.*Claps long and loud*

Ah.......Hello!!! :)

Ah.......Hello!!! :)[stops clapping] yes?

You are against abortion, but they don't adopt children. Or support free-lunch programs, or welfare. You want the child to be born, but you won't pay for it.

You support the war, but you won't send your children, and you don't want to pay any taxes to support it.

How about you take your "patriotism" and "morals" and shove them.

You don't know the first thing about eitheir one of them. But you flippantly use the terms.

You should pick up a fucking biology book, and a dictionary. Instead of that piece of shit book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundementalists. And if you're not bright enough to realize what book I'm talking about, well you're just a dumbass.

From the desk of Keruvalia, spokesperson for the Left:

I would just like to state for the record that the above attitude in no way reflects Liberal thinking and that this person is not a voice for the progressive movement or the Democratic platform.

This person has been summarily executed in the manner best proscribed by such attitudes: The Chicken Hurl-o-Matic (pat. pend.)

You should pick up a ------- biology book, and a dictionary. Instead of that piece of shit book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundementalists. And if you're not bright enough to realize what book I'm talking about, well you're just a dumbass.

Second, and OFFICIAL WARNING -- STOP FLAMING.

Democratic Hypocrisies:

1. Generalizing.
2. Blaming religion, when they themselves may be religious.
3. Flip-flopping horribly. "You may be right, but I may be right, but then again, what is right? How may we define what is right if you and I disagree on what is right? etc. etc."
4. Being partisan in general.

Oh yeah, don't assume I'm republican simply because I disagree with you, I can see that coming a mile away.
Um, you do know what hypocricy is right?
Generalizing is only hypcrisy if the generalization is "Ugh! why do Republicans generalize all the time?"

Same for being partisan. The idea that it's hypicritical for a party to be partisan is absurd. For the most part Democrats don't complain about Republicans being partisan but rather people who call themselves journalists, who are supposed to be impartial, but are in fact pushing the Republican agenda.

And flip flopping is not an unwillingness to see the world in overly-simplistic "black and white" ways, but changing your mind without good reason. Especially when you change your mind with regard to the principles on which you base descisions as this means that there is vagueness to the person's moral character.

Flip flopping would be Bush thinking that it is worthwhile to spend billions of dollars to invade Iraq because "the Iraqi people will be better off" but then refuse to fund the distribution of a cheap salt and sugar packet to treat children who are dying of dissentery all over the world because of a philisophical aversion to "welfare programs."

In fact, its flip flopping to be consistently for the war in Iraq because "they have WMD's...No! they could have WMD's, No! they'd like to have WMD's, No! it's because he's a bad man and the world is better off without him, well, we're there now so we gotta do it." The principles with which Bush defends his Iraq war are as shifting as the Iraqi sand. If he were not a flip flopper he'd have admited by now that it was a bad idea, but now we're stuck there.

You see if flip flopping is to have a moral component it has to be about principles, which are supposed to be consistent, not on descisions, which are based on evidence that is always growing.

Go Domici!

Democratic Hypocrisies:

1. Generalizing.
2. Blaming religion, when they themselves may be religious.
3. Flip-flopping horribly. "You may be right, but I may be right, but then again, what is right? How may we define what is right if you and I disagree on what is right? etc. etc."
4. Being partisan in general.

Oh yeah, don't assume I'm republican simply because I disagree with you, I can see that coming a mile away.

1. You just generalized liberals. Yes all knowing hypocrit, preach to me!

2. I'm not messing with

3. That is called moderation, and compromise. I realize repbulicans are not capable of that, but please try in the future.

4. Both the left and right are partisan. And I honestly don't see what's wrong with it. I hate to break it to you, but you are also very partisan.

Here, let me make an equally overly-generalizing and ridiculous post about democrats.

You say you love your country, but you don't want to defend it.

You say communism is bad, but you want to steal from the rich and give to the poor.

You say taxes are too high, but criticize the president who gives you a cut.

You say we should uphold the constitution, but you want to ban guns.

So take your ****in commie books and your socialist america-hating agenda to france, you sob's! Or better yet, move to ****ing Cuba and suck Fidel's bit tits like the panzies you are!!!!


Now, you see, a few of the thigns I brought up MAY have had a grain of truth in them, but the over-generalizations, hateful rhetoric, lack of tact, and unintelligent ramble made it not only ineffective, but offensive.

Just trying to prove a point.

Prove your point in a less flammable way, Jamunga.

And you can take your irrational and non-factually based tirades, roll them into small globes and insert them deeply into your nethermost parts.

Knock it off. You were doing fine before the personal attack.

Knock it off. You were doing fine before the personal attack.

But what he was suggesting was probably the best course of action...

The reason why people like the Analsysim are going to these extents of flaming is because they just lost control of the US government. They were beat fair and square, and they got nothin'. No hanging chads, no Brother Jeb to blame their own inadequacies on. Just them and their policies (which change every week).

Thank God a little over half of the people in this nation disagree with him.

Get over it.

man if you dont want you child dont make one and then kill it! if you to laze to work dont expect me to pay for your flat screen tv and you 50,000 car, if you want people nazi arabs and chinese come over and kiling every one then i dont relly care :headbang:. (PERSON WHO MADE THE FOURM) :eek: :sniper: (Arab) so if war dont happen then that will idiot!

man if you dont want you child dont make one and then kill it! if you to laze to work dont expect me to pay for your flat screen tv and you 50,000 car, if you want people nazi arabs and chinese come over and kiling every one then i dont relly care :headbang:. (PERSON WHO MADE THE FOURM) :eek: :sniper: (Arab) so if war dont happen then that will idiot!

I hope he's doing a saytire on red-neck conservatives. If not this man is in greater need of help then me, MKULTRA, Eutursca, Munkbrain, or American Repbulic.

But what he was suggesting was probably the best course of action...

The reason why people like the Analsysim are going to these extents of flaming is because they just lost control of the US government. They were beat fair and square, and they got nothin'. No hanging chads, no Brother Jeb to blame their own inadequacies on. Just them and their policies (which change every week).

Thank God a little over half of the people in this nation disagree with him.

Get over it.

Actually I'd be doing this whether the reps were in power or not. I
Yes over half the people in the nation are gun-loving, homophobic, nazi warpigs.
Thank God!

You are against abortion, but they don't adopt children. Or support free-lunch programs, or welfare. You want the child to be born, but you won't pay for it.

You support the war, but you won't send your children, and you don't want to pay any taxes to support it.

How about you take your "patriotism" and "morals" and shove them.

You don't know the first thing about eitheir one of them. But you flippantly use the terms.

You should pick up a fucking biology book, and a dictionary. Instead of that piece of shit book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundementalists. And if you're not bright enough to realize what book I'm talking about, well you're just a dumbass.


This is such a straw man argument, especially the abortion barb. Saying that you need to adopt children to ethically and consistently have a pro-life position is like saying you need to give all money beyond subsistence to charity before you can support the welfare state.

Is this continued sour grapes about some crediting the "moral values" issue with the Kerry defeat?

I hope he's doing a saytire on red-neck conservatives. If not this man is in greater need of help then me, MKULTRA, Eutursca, Munkbrain, or American Repbulic.

I think it's hilarious that you attack Christians and Republicans relentlessly on this board, and dish out your ignorant criticism of others. You're a fanatic, man...you got a screw loose upstairs. You call right-wingers racists and bible-thumpers...what are you doing? In every one of your posts you criticise Christianity or anything you don't agree with. Great, you don't believe in God. We get the point! Give it a break, dude.

Rather than respect the opinions of posters, you spit on them; trash them. You need to go get your fucking head checked out, man. You're so liberal I can smell the marijuana on you from my fucking computer seat.

You wanna generalise? I can generalise. The only reason you can probably even post on these boards is cause you're a lazy commie pinko piece of garbage that collects a welfare check every month because rather than get off your ass and work like a real American, you prefer to let others do the work. You're a marijuana-smoking, tree-hugging, meat-hating homosexual leech; unpatriotic, you'd rather America was a terrorist-controlled nation...you support the murder of babies, and you support the hording of the taxpayers money rather than giving it back. How's that for generalising? Get off the computer, get a job, and move out of America if you don't like it. This country could use one less whining liberal bum.

Actually I'd be doing this whether the reps were in power or not. I
Yes over half the people in the nation are gun-loving, homophobic, nazi warpigs.
Thank God!
And the other half a pusillanimous, homosexual, anarchist pussies?

I think it's hilarious that you attack Christians and Republicans relentlessly on this board, and dish out your ignorant criticism of others. You're a fanatic, man...you got a screw loose upstairs. You call right-wingers racists and bible-thumpers...what are you doing? In every one of your posts you criticise Christianity or anything you don't agree with. Great, you don't believe in God. We get the point! Give it a break, dude.

Rather than respect the opinions of posters, you spit on them; trash them. You need to go get your fucking head checked out, man. You're so liberal I can smell the marijuana on you from my fucking computer seat.

You wanna generalise? I can generalise. The only reason you can probably even post on these boards is cause you're a lazy commie pinko piece of garbage that collects a welfare check every month because rather than get off your ass and work like a real American, you prefer to let others do the work. You're a marijuana-smoking, tree-hugging, meat-hating homosexual leech; unpatriotic, you'd rather America was a terrorist-controlled nation...you support the murder of babies, and you support the hording of the taxpayers money rather than giving it back. How's that for generalising? Get off the computer, get a job, and move out of America if you don't like it. This country could use one less whining liberal bum.

I don't believe in the legalization of marijuna. I hate junkies(look at my Rush Limbaugh thread.

And I do believe in God. I just believe God needs to be private. I can assocaite best with Quakers. They're the only Christians that have ever made sense to me.

I'm not gay.(this argument proves conservative ignorance)

You support the murder of Iraqi children, so?

This began...and will end....ugly.....

:gundge:

We don't adopt children?? I'm sure you have facts to back up your ridiculous allegations. Free-lunch programs and welfare? These aren't related to the children AT ALL. It costs money to have kids. This issue is irrelevant.

This is simply another classic demonstration of why you shouldn't drink and type.

I am suprised you can feed youself. Poor unemployed woman has an unwanted child, hmmm how is she going to support her child?

I hate it when repbulicans discard the facts entirely.

I am suprised you can feed youself. Poor unemployed woman has an unwanted child, hmmm how is she going to support her child?

I hate it when repbulicans discard the facts entirely.


The entire premise of your original post is a farce to begin with.

I don't believe in the legalization of marijuna. I hate junkies(look at my Rush Limbaugh thread.

And I do believe in God. I just believe God needs to be private. I can assocaite best with Quakers. They're the only Christians that have ever made sense to me.

I'm not gay.(this argument proves conservative ignorance)

You support the murder of Iraqi children, so?

Of course you're not any of that shit. It's called generalising jackass, and that's what you're doing. I was trying to prove a point, and you've proved it perfectly. I am pro-life. I am against gay marriage. I'm against restrictive gun laws. However, I'm atheist, believe in evolution, I'm repulsed by capital punishment, and I don't support the Iraqi war. Stop generalising. Not all Republicans are the same.

I am suprised you can feed youself. Poor unemployed woman has an unwanted child, hmmm how is she going to support her child?

I hate it when repbulicans discard the facts entirely.

Wellfare, that's how they all do it.

But I suppose you'd just kill the child.

Of course you're not any of that shit. It's called generalising jackass, and that's what you're doing. I was trying to prove a point, and you've proved it perfectly. I am pro-life. I am against gay marriage. I'm against restrictive gun laws. However, I'm atheist, believe in evolution, I'm repulsed by capital punishment, and I don't support the Iraqi war. Stop generalising. Not all Republicans are the same.

An atheist.

It's amazing! Why are you pro-life and anti-gay marriage then? Those are both relegious issues.

An atheist.

It's amazing! Why are you pro-life and anti-gay marriage then? Those are both relegious issues.

Why is that?

I am a theist, but in favor of gay-marriage (well, actually I don't think the government should recognize marriage at all). You might want to not make such broad generalizations about people.

Thank God a little over half of the people in this nation disagree with him.

Get over it.

Yes... and I would remind that it IS only a little over half of the people in the US. That alone should give Bush and his cabinet something to consider during their policy sessions for the next four years if they intend that the Republican party should stay in power after his term.

I think it's hilarious that you attack Christians and Republicans relentlessly on this board, and dish out your ignorant criticism of others. You're a fanatic, man...you got a screw loose upstairs. You call right-wingers racists and bible-thumpers...what are you doing? In every one of your posts you criticise Christianity or anything you don't agree with. Great, you don't believe in God. We get the point! Give it a break, dude.

Rather than respect the opinions of posters, you spit on them; trash them. You need to go get your fucking head checked out, man. You're so liberal I can smell the marijuana on you from my fucking computer seat.

You wanna generalise? I can generalise. The only reason you can probably even post on these boards is cause you're a lazy commie pinko piece of garbage that collects a welfare check every month because rather than get off your ass and work like a real American, you prefer to let others do the work. You're a marijuana-smoking, tree-hugging, meat-hating homosexual leech; unpatriotic, you'd rather America was a terrorist-controlled nation...you support the murder of babies, and you support the hording of the taxpayers money rather than giving it back. How's that for generalising? Get off the computer, get a job, and move out of America if you don't like it. This country could use one less whining liberal bum.

Stop flaming.

Of course you're not any of that shit. It's called generalising jackass, and that's what you're doing. I was trying to prove a point, and you've proved it perfectly. I am pro-life. I am against gay marriage. I'm against restrictive gun laws. However, I'm atheist, believe in evolution, I'm repulsed by capital punishment, and I don't support the Iraqi war. Stop generalising. Not all Republicans are the same.


That's twice. Official warning time. Third time will earn you a forum ban for a few days.

It's funny to see "moralistic" reps use profanity. What's the word I'm looking for....

HYPOCRITS

the left at least doesnt promote terrorism the way the right does

:headbang:

Do not get me started on this. I suppose Theo van Gogh's murder was a result of conservative actions?

Knock it off. You were doing fine before the personal attack.
Yes, MA'AM! ( SALUTE! ) But at least you have to admit that I added a bit of class to what could have been a rather nasty flame, yes? :D :D

Really? Sunshine State got warning cos he used the word 'jackass' (after some heavy language)

and this one gets away with this:

"You should pick up a fucking biology book, and a dictionary. Instead of that piece of shit book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundementalists. And if you're not bright enough to realize what book I'm talking about, well you're just a dumbass."

After that he got a warning.

#37 "I hope he's doing a saytire on red-neck conservatives. If not this man is in greater need of help then me, MKULTRA, Eutursca, Munkbrain, or American Repbulic."

#38 "Actually I'd be doing this whether the reps were in power or not. I
Yes over half the people in the nation are gun-loving, homophobic, nazi warpigs.
Thank God!"

And really all of his posts...

Now, I can take that. And plenty more. I'm sure most of the people here can take anything he can hurl at us... But a bit of justice when moderating? And a mod in this thread too... and 'Neo Alansyist' spitting on 'hypocrits' after that warning...

One has to wonder.

You are against abortion, but they don't adopt children. Or support free-lunch programs, or welfare. You want the child to be born, but you won't pay for it.

You should pick up a fucking biology book, and a dictionary. Instead of that piece of shit book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundementalists. And if you're not bright enough to realize what book I'm talking about, well you're just a dumbass.

First, wtf^^!! Second, you obviously enjoy grouping people together (clearly democrat). In response to your insanity all I have to say is I don't plan on having children myself and I don't care if anyone does, but I'm fully against abortion (after all the human heart starts beating in the first week and after 42 DAYS the brain starts giving off waves of activity - I would consider THAT life). Ah but my beliefs about abortion are not in question, however, I would like to know where you got your info that Republicans don't adopt children because that seems overly insane (I know plenty of republicans that have adopted children). Also, I support the free-lunch program and welfare, but ONLY to a certain point. For instance I don't approve of people having 7 kids when they can't pay for ONE (this doesn't mean that children have to be aborted - there is such a thing as PROTECTION and getting your tubes tied), and then going on welfare because they had so many children. Screw that. I'm not paying for other people's MISTAKES!!!!!!!!

About the Bible thing, don't just assume that ALL republicans believe in God. I'm Atheist and damn proud of it! I'm not saying that those that DO believe in the Bible and God are Wrong (just highly suggesting ;) ). Plus, I agree that some extremist need to see all sides of the story instead of telling me I'm going to Hell for not believing what he says.

P.S. - Don't preach to me, and I won’t preach to you.

A little dose of reality.

1.) The Democratic party claims to be in favor of individual rights and yet it supports unconstitutional gun laws that are in violation of an amendment that the Founding Fathers thought important enough to separate from the First.

2.) They supported a candidate who was quite possibly a traitor to the country. He no longer would be but the only reason for that is because Jimmy Carter gave amnesty to all those in breach of the law for things concerning the Vietnam war. And just to show you how much of a raving moonbat Carter is he recently said that the Revolutionary war was an example of an unecessary war when discussing Iraq. And before you start sputtering about unfounded accusations about Kerry consider this. If the Swifties accusations were false, all he would have had to have done is sign form 180 to release his military records. He deigned not to do this which lends serious credence to the Swifties claims.

3.) At around the turn of the century, 1900, the poverty rate was near 70%. It steadily declined until the early 1960's where it has hovered since at around 13%. In the 1960's the democrats took all of the social welfare programs meant for emergencies and turned them into entitlement programs.

4.) Abortion is murder, when you get to the bare bones of it, and should only be done to save the mother's life, at least ideally. However, sex is pleasurable and so will continue ocurring without the intent to create children. Until same day contraceptives are available abortions should be legal. However, when said contraceptives are made available it should be outlawed except to save the mother's life, which is extremely rare, or to abort a rape baby.

5.) The Democratic party is guilty of rank hypocracy in that it does not defend the rights of Christianity and yet willingly goes out of it's way to protect Islam. The ocurrences in the Netherlands being a prime example of this.

The above bieng acknowledged, the Republican party does have it's fair share of assholes, but until the Democratic party stands for liberals and not leftism again I will not be a member.

:sniper:

Really? Sunshine State got warning cos he used the word 'jackass' (after some heavy language)

and this one gets away with this:

"You should pick up a fucking biology book, and a dictionary. Instead of that piece of shit book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundementalists. And if you're not bright enough to realize what book I'm talking about, well you're just a dumbass."

After that he got a warning.

#37 "I hope he's doing a saytire on red-neck conservatives. If not this man is in greater need of help then me, MKULTRA, Eutursca, Munkbrain, or American Repbulic."

#38 "Actually I'd be doing this whether the reps were in power or not. I
Yes over half the people in the nation are gun-loving, homophobic, nazi warpigs.
Thank God!"

And really all of his posts...

Now, I can take that. And plenty more. I'm sure most of the people here can take anything he can hurl at us... But a bit of justice when moderating? And a mod in this thread too... and 'Neo Alansyist' spitting on 'hypocrits' after that warning...

One has to wonder.
I have one better. Myrth banned me for four days without a warning. Then when I complained, he said fine, and unbanned me, but said next time I'd just get a permanent ban. Everyone knows the mods are biased, just deal with the tyranny.

5.) The Democratic party is guilty of rank hypocracy in that it does not defend the rights of Christianity and yet willingly goes out of it's way to protect Islam. The ocurrences in the Netherlands being a prime example of this.

How is the incident in the Netherlands in any way, shape, or form related to the United States Democratic Party?

It's funny to see "moralistic" reps use profanity. What's the word I'm looking for....

HYPOCRITS


You need to get a clue about the GOP. It is a coalition. There are religious conservatives, there are libertarians, there are capitalists, there are athiests, there are millions of different points of view. Sheesh.

The same is true of Democrats...outside of the party they normally endorse, there are a multitude of viewpoints, many of them conflicting.

I have one better. Myrth banned me for four days without a warning. Then when I complained, he said fine, and unbanned me, but said next time I'd just get a permanent ban. Everyone knows the mods are biased, just deal with the tyranny.

Ah yes...I tried to stand up for you - but I don't remember much, Thursday night carbombs and all...

I have one better. Myrth banned me for four days without a warning. Then when I complained, he said fine, and unbanned me, but said next time I'd just get a permanent ban. Everyone knows the mods are biased, just deal with the tyranny.
Oh. I assume I wouldn't usually agree with you at all mate. I'm from a country far far away and share little with your current administration - and maybe you aswell. Still, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact there was a wrong done here. Mods to me are moderators. Let them moderate with fairness in mind. This time I thought I saw something else than fair behaviour. It doesn't make me think they are biased. *flys back to his cave... just to discover his cousin bonks his gf!*

Oh. I assume I wouldn't usually agree with you at all mate. I'm from a country far far away and share little with your current administration - and maybe you aswell. still, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact there was a wrong done here. Mods to me are moderators. Let them moderate with fairness in mind. This time I thought I saw something else than fair behaviour. It doesn't make me think they are biased. *flys back to his cave... just to discover his cousin bonks his gf!*
They moderate based on their view points. Alans has already been banned IIRC, but they let him back with a new name. TRA was banned, but they let him back as MKULTRA. The only people who stay banned are those from red states.

Oh. I assume I wouldn't usually agree with you at all mate. I'm from a country far far away and share little with your current administration - and maybe you aswell. Still, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact there was a wrong done here. Mods to me are moderators. Let them moderate with fairness in mind. This time I thought I saw something else than fair behaviour. It doesn't make me think they are biased. *flys back to his cave... just to discover his cousin bonks his gf!*

You guys do all realize that it may very well be because Alanysists is reporting you all for flaming, right? I haven't bothered checking, but it could very well be because he's reporting you all in Moderation and the mods are coming in, looking at the posts in question, and warning you for flaming. Stop complaining about the mods being unfair and actually report him for his flaming. Don't just assume that the mods will catch it; they can't and don't read every single post for rules violations. Stop whining about a moderator bias and actually do something about it.

They moderate based on their view points. Alans has already been banned IIRC, but they let him back with a new name. TRA was banned, but they let him back as MKULTRA. The only people who stay banned are those from red states.
I'm fully aware of this.

No I'm not really. 'Red States'? You mean they are after the communists? That's not the American way! Damnit!

EDIT: I said I'm a foreigner. A dirty Frenchman if you REALLY like. I just saw something I thought wasn't fair... no big deal.

It might be interesting to see a case-by-case breakdown, including the offending posts (censored if needs be) and the resulting disciplinary actions.

You guys do all realize that it may very well be because Alanysists is reporting you all for flaming, right? I haven't bothered checking, but it could very well be because he's reporting you all in Moderation and the mods are coming in, looking at the posts in question, and warning you for flaming. Stop complaining about the mods being unfair and actually report him for his flaming. Don't just assume that the mods will catch it; they can't and don't read every single post for rules violations. Stop whining about a moderator bias and actually do something about it.
One day I warned Alans for every flame he made, just to prove a point. The mods did absolutely nothing. Same thing with others like Dobbs Town, they warn who they want to warn.

You guys do all realize that it may very well be because Alanysists is reporting you all for flaming, right? I haven't bothered checking, but it could very well be because he's reporting you all in Moderation and the mods are coming in, looking at the posts in question, and warning you for flaming. Stop complaining about the mods being unfair and actually report him for his flaming. Don't just assume that the mods will catch it; they can't and don't read every single post for rules violations. Stop whining about a moderator bias and actually do something about it.

No. I have never reported anyone to the mods. Only a little bitch would do that

One day I warned Alans for every flame he made, just to prove a point. The mods did absolutely nothing. Same thing with others like Dobbs Town, they warn who they want to warn.

Certainly your attitude does not help matters any.

Certainly your attitude does not help matters any.
My attitude is a result of being the only person I've ever seen who had a warning mean anything. Apparently you can get banned and come back, if only you agree with certain people's ideals. And my attitude doesn't change the fact that it's unfair.

No. I have never reported anyone to the mods. Only a little bitch would do that

At least you've got some decency in you. I refuse to report anybody either...we're all big boys, we should be able to handle a few curse words here and there. It's all in the spirit of political debate. Things get nasty.

Still, I haven't been here long and already the moderation is grating on my nerves. Guess I'll have to play nice from now on.

My attitude is a result of being the only person I've ever seen who had a warning mean anything. Apparently you can get banned and come back, if only you agree with certain people's ideals. And my attitude doesn't change the fact that it's unfair.

What are you even talking about? People get deleted and are allowed to come back all the time, both conservative and liberal. And your continued existance here is proof of that fact if this injustice you feel was committed against you is true. If you were banned and are now back, does that mean you agree with these mythical people's ideals? Or are you simply just spewing out nonsense in an attempt to feel like a martyr?

OH! I don't want anybody get warned. I rather enjoy the more... ...artistic posters in here. If I was gutted, I would have posted my silly post in the moderation section. Please go ahead and post as usual. I'm sure there is a silent majority (me being part of it) who want to see this soap going on. Toodles.

What are you even talking about? People get deleted and are allowed to come back all the time, both conservative and liberal. And your continued existance here is proof of that fact if this injustice you feel was committed against you is true. If you were banned and are now back, does that mean you agree with these mythical people's ideals? Or are you simply just spewing out nonsense in an attempt to feel like a martyr?
I was temporarily banned until I pointed out I got banned for no reason and with no previous warnings. I was then told fine, my four day ban would be lifted, but that next time I would get banned permanently. So when the mods THOUGHT I had one warning, they banned me for four days. When they realized I had none, they said fine, our mistake, but now this warning means next time you get banned forever.

I was temporarily banned until I pointed out I got banned for no reason and with no previous warnings. I was then told fine, my four day ban would be lifted, but that next time I would get banned permanently. So when the mods THOUGHT I had one warning, they banned me for four days. When they realized I had none, they said fine, our mistake, but now this warning means next time you get banned forever.

Is that what they said? "Next time you get banned forever"?

Is that what they said? "Next time you get banned forever"?
Yes. He sent me a telegram saying next time I would get banned forever.

Prove your point in a less flammable way, Jamunga.

I don't see that as flammatory, I wasn't attacking anyone, I was simply showing him how ridiculous those generalized posts are, I just flipped it to his party, so he could understand how we feel.

Actually I'd be doing this whether the reps were in power or not. I
Yes over half the people in the nation are gun-loving, homophobic, nazi warpigs.
Thank God!
Yes, I like guns. No I am not afraid of homosexuals, I just do not like their choices. Yes, I believe war is okay in certain circumstances, and no we are not affiliated with the Nazi party. That's like me calling you a communist.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying our constitutional right to bear arms. There is nothing wrong with disliking homosexual acts. There is nothing wrong with encouraging wars in the right circumstances, and nobody ever said I was a member of the Nazi's.

Again, if you have a problem with it, just realize that your sheltered communist life means little to those of us actually out in the real world.

Get over it.

As for the mod's response regarding the fact that Bush has barely a majority of support, I maintain that if you look back four years ago he didn't even have that. Even after the massive anti-Bush ads and propaganda he managed to pull more states and votes this time around. He's been making progress, and that's all anybody could have expected given the political climate our nation currently is in.

MKULTRA don't even start with that BS. I would ask for examples but knowing you, you'd spout propoganda or some conspiracy theories about Halliburton. Don't go there. Everytime you do, people discredit you with better sources and just plain old logical thought.

The right promotes terrorism. eg Iran/Contra and support for the taliban against the russians in afghanistan.

Yes, I like guns. No I am not afraid of homosexuals, I just do not like their choices. Yes, I believe war is okay in certain circumstances, and no we are not affiliated with the Nazi party. That's like me calling you a communist.

Again, if you have a problem with it, just realize that your sheltered communist life means little to those of us actually out in the real world.


Do as I say, don't do as I do?

Do as I say, don't do as I do?

Fine words... For a harbouror of terrorists! :D

[ note: that was an RP reference ...no sending EC to Gitmo, plz! ;) ]

The left acts like France and gives North Korea nuclear capability. And fucks up in places like Somalia.

Fine words... For a harbouror of terrorists! :D

[ note: that was an RP reference ...no sending EC to Gitmo, plz! ;) ]

Ah, but my terrorists are a government-sponsored program. As such, I call them a para-military organisation. That way, they can't be considered "enemy combatant" and must be POW. It's all in the fine prints.

Ahh... the ooc confession... too bad it's not admissable. :(

Ugh!

First of all, religion and politics share a commonality of having some who are good, sweet, well-intentioned people who are a joy to associate with AND others who are horrible, nasty, sociopathic jerk-offs who want you to do as they say and not as they do. It doesn't matter what party or what docrine you follow, people will be people, with all the good and bad inherent in that.

Secondly... Republicans or Democrats... it really makes little difference. BOTH parties are corrupt and do not properly represent the will of the American people. They say whatever they have to so that they can gain power for themselves so that they can follow their own private agendas, more deeply ensconcing themselves into a position where they can perpetuate themselves and reap as much personal profit as they can.

Our real choices at the polls are non-choices, a variety of evils brought to us by our bloated big businesses and "special interests". Voters are accosted at the polls by party activists Rupublican AND Democrat and bullied about their free choices of whom to vote for. People are hoodwinked and pressured into believing that casting a vote for your conscience, if your conscience dictates a candidate that isn't one of the Two Parties, is throwing your vote away. And so the devolution of freedom in America continues and the perpetuation of the Two-Party system continues.

For a fat, slave-owning rich guy who didn't want to pay his taxes to Britain, Jefferson had some pretty good ideas about government. Too bad most of us either can't or won't heed his advice.

Ahh... the ooc confession... too bad it's not admissable. :(
Neither was your OOC libel. So we're even. ;)

Ah, but my terrorists are a government-sponsored program. As such, I call them a para-military organisation. That way, they can't be considered "enemy combatant" and must be POW. It's all in the fine prints.Would that be in .01 font?

Would that be in .01 font?
probably. I never took out my magnifying glass to measure.

FIrst off, the guy who started this is a moron. There's a difference between Rupublicans and the Republican administration. Secondly :

all of the books up to the 4 gospels (mathhew mark luke and John) were and everything (including the gospels) post old testement is just a fufillment of the old testament. Oh and to the starter of this thread not very tactful to just lash out and generalize like that especially without and back up evidence. But I just have one question Democrats always claim to be the common mans person but yet the polls showed only the the extreme ppor and upper class intellectuals in the arts area voted democratic (if necessary will get link to site) Now I am not republican or democratic actually i did a write in, but I was just wondering. Thanks!

Erm maybe the middle class voted Republican because they're....stupid? Abortion and gay marriage are bigger issues to these people than national securty, terrorism, unjustified war, and RETARDED economic plans put together. If you think Bush's trickle down economic plan with tax cuts for the wealthy work, you are a moron. Go look up Calvin Coolidge. He was partially responsible for a little thing called the Great Depression, heard of it?

a) republicans hate America.

b) conservatives hate liberals.

c) liberals hate conservatives.

d) America is NOT one nation, it's two nations.

e) Bush is the biggest idiot any nation has had for a president EVER.

American politics are just screwed up. Period. Many democrats are as bad as many republicans and many republicans are despised by conservatives, because they're not conservative enough.

I'm just starting to think that american are simply stupid and ignorant. Well, 59 million of them anyway, but I'll give them the benefit of doubt.

If I was liberal in America, I'd be moving to Canada right about now.

Bush and his fellowship of NeoCons are the worst thing that has happened to America.

Do as I say, don't do as I do?

That's the repbulican philosphy my friend. Rush Limbaugh is an excellent example of this.

never have i seen such stupidity from the left. I am republican and a christian (catholic to be more precise) and Phil_live_here, just for the record, my step-father went to a very good college and most likely has a better education than yourself. I think you are the moron for talking about another country that you don't live in and don't know the full circumstaces about, so uinless you have something remotely intelligent to say...than shut the hell up. An to the dumbshit who started this... :rolleyes: boy are you stupid, i may be a republican but things such as gay marriage and abortion don't bother me in many ways, and i am not a fucking Nazi, how stupid your generalizations make you look and sound. I think this just highlights the idiocy of the far left, not the normal left wing (whom actually can say intellignet things and have policies that don't offend me).

Bush and his fellowship of NeoCons are the worst thing that has happened to America.

Let those who live here be the judge of that.

[QUOTE=Neo Alansyism]-snip-QUOTE]
Now I know that this is good laugh material.

You are against abortion, but they don't adopt children. Or support free-lunch programs, or welfare. You want the child to be born, but you won't pay for it.

You support the war, but you won't send your children, and you don't want to pay any taxes to support it.

How about you take your "patriotism" and "morals" and shove them.

You don't know the first thing about eitheir one of them. But you flippantly use the terms.

You should pick up a fucking biology book, and a dictionary. Instead of that piece of shit book written by a bunch of zionists and perverted fundementalists. And if you're not bright enough to realize what book I'm talking about, well you're just a dumbass.

I wouldn't pick up a biology book if I were you. It says human life begins at conception. Sorry to burst your willfully ignorant bubble.
Eisenhower served he was a Rep, Hagel is a Rep., Bush Sr. is a Rep., I know many Republicans that fought and died for this country. I know many republicans that have sent family members. Please don't stereotype it gets you no where. Republicans pay their taxes like everyone else. Just because one of their party planks may include "tax cuts" does not mean that they do not pay taxes. If they did not pay taxes they would not care about tax cuts ( a cut out of 0 is still 0 for those of you who have never opened a math book.)
I know many people who adopt that are Republicans. My grandparents adopted my mother they are both Republicans.
Please lets stop generalizing. I know your ticked because the American people don't see the world in your very narrow field of focus. Keep up the the fight against Zionism Jew hater maybe you'll get your Aryan nation yet. Since I am Jewish I will not be helping you.

I am republican and a christian (catholic to be more precise) and Phil_live_here, just for the record, my step-father went to a very good college and most likely has a better education than yourself. I think you are the moron for talking about another country that you don't live in and don't know the full circumstaces about, so uinless you have something remotely intelligent to say...than shut the hell up.

Erm....WHAT!? I definitely live in the United States, Kansas to be specific. But what does that have to do with anything that I said? The majority of Republicans that I know who voted for Bush (something like 60% of the state here) don't know jack about any of his political/party goals. So how about you respond to something I actually said instead of making incorrect inferences and looking like a moron?

BTW, the whole step-dad thing is so 3rd grade. Omgs your daddy could beat up my daddy! How very..intelligent. And he has a better education than I do, does he? I should hope so, seeing as I am currently a Junior in High School (yet I'm still obviously more educated than you).

And to practice a little clairvoyance, in case you feel the need to respond to this with some predictable and tired rant about my age, again I urge you to actually respond to what I said instead of making more (and probably incorrect again) inferences based upon nationality, age, gender, political affiliation, etc...

Let those who live here be the judge of that.

Given recent evidence your collective judgement isn't to be trusted. :D ;)

Erm....WHAT!? I definitely live in the United States, Kansas to be specific. But what does that have to do with anything that I said? The majority of Republicans that I know who voted for Bush (something like 60% of the state here) don't know jack about any of his political/party goals. So how about you respond to something I actually said instead of making incorrect inferences and looking like a moron?

BTW, the whole step-dad thing is so 3rd grade. Omgs your daddy could beat up my daddy! How very..intelligent. And he has a better education than I do, does he? I should hope so, seeing as I am currently a Junior in High School (yet I'm still obviously more educated than you).

And to practice a little clairvoyance, in case you feel the need to respond to this with some predictable and tired rant about my age, again I urge you to actually respond to what I said instead of making more (and probably incorrect again) inferences based upon nationality, age, gender, political affiliation, etc...
Dem supporters aren't any different, in fact, more of them don't even know where their party stands on MOST of the issues. However, you are correct in stating that there are those who wish to stay uninformed in both political parties.

Dem supporters aren't any different, in fact, more of them don't even know where their party stands on MOST of the issues. However, you are correct in stating that there are those who wish to stay uninformed in both political parties.
However, the trend generally observed is that when you start questioning what you've been told, and what your party really stands for, you're more likely to turn more liberal rather than conservative.

I wouldn't pick up a biology book if I were you. It says human life begins at conception. Sorry to burst your willfully ignorant bubble.
Eisenhower served he was a Rep, Hagel is a Rep., Bush Sr. is a Rep., I know many Republicans that fought and died for this country. I know many republicans that have sent family members. Please don't stereotype it gets you no where. Republicans pay their taxes like everyone else. Just because one of their party planks may include "tax cuts" does not mean that they do not pay taxes. If they did not pay taxes they would not care about tax cuts ( a cut out of 0 is still 0 for those of you who have never opened a math book.)
I know many people who adopt that are Republicans. My grandparents adopted my mother they are both Republicans.
Please lets stop generalizing. I know your ticked because the American people don't see the world in your very narrow field of focus. Keep up the the fight against Zionism Jew hater maybe you'll get your Aryan nation yet. Since I am Jewish I will not be helping you.


Zionism is just as bad is Nazism. The UN proclaimed it as "racist" if you ever knew. Any fundmentalism is wrong Jazi. I like that Jazi, I need to write that down.
What you are doing to the palistinian people is no better than what Hitler did to you. I'm writting an article about a palistinian friend of mine, whose land was taken away by the Zionists.

FIrst off, the guy who started this is a moron. There's a difference between Rupublicans and the Republican administration. Secondly :



Erm maybe the middle class voted Republican because they're....stupid? Abortion and gay marriage are bigger issues to these people than national securty, terrorism, unjustified war, and RETARDED economic plans put together. If you think Bush's trickle down economic plan with tax cuts for the wealthy work, you are a moron. Go look up Calvin Coolidge. He was partially responsible for a little thing called the Great Depression, heard of it?


I am inclined to agree with you. But a supporter of Bush is as bad as Bush himself.

Zionism is just as bad is Nazism. The UN proclaimed it as "racist" if you ever knew. Any fundmentalism is wrong Jazi. I like that Jazi, I need to write that down.
What you are doing to the palistinian people is no better than what Hitler did to you. I'm writting an article about a palistinian friend of mine, whose land was taken away by the Zionists.
Oh good, if the UN is against it then it's probably a good idea. The Jews weren't blowing up their children because they were mad Hitler wouldn't give them back land, the Jews were oppressed simply as a scapegoat.

Do as I say, don't do as I do?

Nope. I was called a nazi by his generalizations. I pointed out that it was a poor generalization.

To illustrate it, I used communist as a generalization describing him.

If he doesn't like being called a communist, then perhaps he should refrain from calling people nazis.

Although admittedly in hindsight it makes me look like I'm a hypocrite... :-)

If you think Bush's trickle down economic plan with tax cuts for the wealthy work, you are a moron. Go look up Calvin Coolidge. He was partially responsible for a little thing called the Great Depression, heard of it?

No he wasn't. Coolidge is the man.

Zionism is just as bad is Nazism. The UN proclaimed it as "racist" if you ever knew. Any fundmentalism is wrong Jazi. I like that Jazi, I need to write that down.
What you are doing to the palistinian people is no better than what Hitler did to you. I'm writting an article about a palistinian friend of mine, whose land was taken away by the Zionists.


1. Word of advice: dictionary.com
2. Jews were living in Palestine long before the >>Balfour Declaration<< yes I know you'll need to "google" this.
3. You seriously need to "pick up a history book".