NationStates Jolt Archive

Israeli Aggression against the Palestinian People
From: Sunday, November 7, 2004
To: Monday, November 8, 2004

(10) Palestinians were wounded. (21) Palestinians were arrested. (4) dunams of Palestinian land were bulldozed. (6) houses, (2) hothouses, and (3) vehicles were destroyed or damaged. Palestinian areas were shelled and bombarded (13) times.

Jerusalem: The occupation forces broke into Al Aqsa mosque and held worshippers inside the compound.

Ramallah & al-Bireh: The occupation forces thrust into Jalazoon refugee camp, searched a house, arrested one citizen, deployed a checkpoint at the entrance of Safa village, held citizens and attacked some of them.

Nablus: The occupation forces thrust into several neighborhoods in the city and fired machineguns at houses, wounding one citizen and prevented another from receiving medical treatment.

Jenin: The occupation forces invaded Yamoon village, arrested a Palestinian girl, attacked & wounded one resident and continued to impose a curfew on Jenin refugee camp for the 2nd week.

Hebron: The occupation forces invaded several villages, searched houses, arrested six citizens, attacked foreign peace activists helping Palestinian farmers harvest their olive and declared the area a closed military zone. Jewish settlers attacked Palestinian property in Tal Rumaida area causing damage.

Mid Area: The occupation forces closed Al Matahen checkpoint and conducted searches and detained three citizens.

Khan Younis: The occupation forces bombarded Palestinian houses causing damage.

Rafah: The occupation forces thrust into Araibeh area and searched houses and arrested fifteen Palestinians and demolished three family houses and some hothoses.

http://www.p-p-o.com/Eng/2004/kh11/8-11-2004.htm

Why does Israel keep demolishing those houses? Couldn't they put them on the market and sell them to the Israelis?

All true, but look out the republicans will flaime you and if you defend yourself, you will be a victim (of the republican Mods), just like those poor Palestinians are from the Israelis.


Oh yeah, they will tell that it is "Amnesty commie propaganda," EU biased opinion (altough the EU pays 3/4 of the peace process). And lets not forget that they will attack you by pointing all attention towards the victims of Hamas or Palestinian terrorisme (you won't hear them using the term "Stateterrorisme" when it comes to Isreal.

Strange uh, one world and such a extreme minority that gets allways away with it.

All true, but look out the republicans will flaime you

Right. Because all Republicans attack whomever they disagree with, and no Democrats support Israel. Gotcha. :rolleyes:

and if you defend yourself, you will be a victim (of the republican Mods), just like those poor Palestinians are from the Israelis.

What?

Oh yeah, they will tell that it is "Amnesty commie propaganda," EU biased opinion (altough the EU pays 3/4 of the peace process). And lets not forget that they will attack you by pointing all attention towards the victims of Hamas or Palestinian terrorisme (you won't hear them using the term "Stateterrorisme" when it comes to Isreal.

A few things:

1- I'm a democrat.

2- I think there are several serious problems with this post, which is that first of all, it's not coming from Amnesty or the EU, it's coming from the Office of the Palestinian President (hardly unbiased), and we're apparently left on our own to verify this information, as well as contextualize it. It furthermore is entirely legitimate to point to Israeli victims as well, since those too are "true".

Strange uh, one world and such a extreme minority that gets allways away with it.

I have no clue what you're talking about. Hopefully, you'll give me a call when you figure it out.

This would be a lot more impressive if it took the time to actually provide some details. If you can provide more info on any of these incidents, I'll be interested - until then, eh - it's just some unsupported text on the net.

wow. Israel goes into the Palestinian territories and arrests terrorists. That's a REAL BAD THING!

Those EEVVIILLLLL JOOOS aren't playing fair! They won't even let the gallant freedom fighters murder innocent civilians before attacking!

:rolleyes:

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Why does Israel keep demolishing those houses? Couldn't they put them on the market and sell them to the Israelis?
Right. If you were an Israeli, would you want to move into a Palestinian village? Into a house whose previous Palestinan inhabitants have been kicked out?
If so, where would you want to be buried?

Right. If you were an Israeli, would you want to move into a Palestinian village? Into a house whose previous Palestinan inhabitants have been kicked out?
If so, where would you want to be buried?

Actually, there are cases of this occuring, but it's happened when Israelis were still interesting in territorial expansion. Now that there's more and more talk of withdrawing from the territories, this kind of behavior is largely limited to houses and land inside the Green Line, the exception being in areas where Arab villages are eventually destroyed or evacuated and then swallowed up by settlements.

The real reason this doesn't happen that much in the territories now is practical: no new major settlements are being built, and many of the houses destroyed tend to be near large Arab population centers. It would be very difficult to settle Israelis in Arab houses while other Arabs were still living there. The only case I can think of where this is really applicable (in the territories) is Hebron, (about 200 far-right settlers, surrounded by over 70,000 Arabs, requiring constant army protection) which all moderate and Left-wingers in Israel see as a major problem, and don't want to be replicated anywhere.

So Al-Anbar is this going to be a regular thing for you? The Israelis are horribly oprressing the Palestinians that is for sure, but perhaps you could provide some ideas/insight. Maybe a little historical context to understand these atrocities a little better? People are going to get bored if you just list body counts everyday. A comment on the acts, something? Here let me show you how to create some controversy.

I think this Christian Zionism which is so prevelant in the United States, which I define as the wildly imbalanced support for Israel and the blatant disregard for the Palestinian's legitimate national rights but most American Christians, is nothing more than a clever way to wrap up white supremacy in a new package. By disguising their support for the bloody slaughter and displacement of the indeginous muslim population of the holy land by mostly European descended Jews as supporting a historically oppresssed and long suffering minority, Christian Zionists hope to avoid the distasteful stigma applied to other racist groups.

'citizen' is a loosly defined word here. In the states we call them 'suspects'. Particularly when they are armed.

Until the Palestinians enforce law in their territory the victims o their crimes will do so with heavy handedness.

'Citizens' would also be safe if the terrorists weren't hiding behind them,putting their own people in harm's way. The Palestinians just let them, allowing hate, bigotry and antisemitism to overrun common sense.

I think this Christian Zionism which is so prevelant in the United States, which I define as the wildly imbalanced support for Israel and the blatant disregard for the Palestinian's legitimate national rights but most American Christians, is nothing more than a clever way to wrap up white supremacy in a new package. By disguising their support for the bloody slaughter and displacement of the indeginous muslim population of the holy land by mostly European descended Jews as supporting a historically oppresssed and long suffering minority, Christian Zionists hope to avoid the distasteful stigma applied to other racist groups.

Except this ignores quite a few important facts. Such as, for example, the fact that 60% of Israelis are Sephardim (Jews from Northern Africa and Spain/Portugal). Plus Mizrahim (Jews from Middle Eastern countries, like Egypt, Iraq, Iran, etc.), plus Ethiopians. The European Jews are definitely prominent in terms of politics, but your thesis is disproved simply by population statistics. Unless, of course, you think that Christian Zionists THINK that most Israelis are white. But even then, I'd say you're trying to peddle a very simplistic argument. I have my share of problems with Christian Zionism, and think you could very well argue that one component of it is quasi-racist, certainly chauvanist at the very least, but your theory just doesn't seem borne out by the facts.

Its interesting that a racial group which demands it be treated with kid gloves because of the atrocities it suffered is so willing to impose these same atrocities on another race. Israel is a nation of hypocrits.

Its interesting that a racial group which demands it be treated with kid gloves because of the atrocities it suffered is so willing to impose these same atrocities on another race. Israel is a nation of hypocrits.

Well, in some ways you're somewhat accurate, although I think there's some problems in attempting to compare present Israeli actions with the Holocaust. There's also the fact that most nations are at least somewhat hypocritical, making your charges again, somewhat problematic.

Except this ignores quite a few important facts. Such as, for example, the fact that 60% of Israelis are Sephardim (Jews from Northern Africa and Spain/Portugal). Plus Mizrahim (Jews from Middle Eastern countries, like Egypt, Iraq, Iran, etc.), plus Ethiopians. The European Jews are definitely prominent in terms of politics, but your thesis is disproved simply by population statistics. Unless, of course, you think that Christian Zionists THINK that most Israelis are white. But even then, I'd say you're trying to peddle a very simplistic argument. I have my share of problems with Christian Zionism, and think you could very well argue that one component of it is quasi-racist, certainly chauvanist at the very least, but your theory just doesn't seem borne out by the facts.
Good to know, I had thoght the Ashkenzi(?) European derived component was actually the majority thanks. You have corrected my ignorance. Still I think that most non jewish ultra zionist supporters of Israel still support it becasue they like how they kill muslims and humiliate Islam, because they veiw Islam as their primary competitors in the battle for the Souls of the downtrodden.

Good to know, I had thoght the Ashkenzi(?) European derived component was actually the majority

They were until around 1967, when tens of thousands of Sephardim and Mizrahim were expelled from Arab countries, many being forced to leave their property behind, BTW. Since then, the Sephardim have been the majority, although Ashkenazim continue to be prominent in business and government.

Still I think that most non jewish ultra zionist supporters of Israel still support it becasue they like how they kill muslims and humiliate Islam, because they veiw Islam as their primary competitors in the battle for the Souls of the downtrodden.

I think you can make a decent argument for that being ONE reason for the support of radical Christian Zionists, but your attempt to find and isolate a single cause for this seems rather oversimplistic and inaccurate.