NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

Fellow Dems, we may have been accidently or deliberately cheated of an election victory here! Read that article (it's only one of a variety of such articles coming to light), and then email information regarding it to ABC, CBS, MSNBC, FOX, and CNN!

Ugh. I'm sick of hearing about this.

BUSH WON.

Now stop screaming "conspiracy!!" and fix your goddamn party so you can win in '08. The election is over and conspiracy theories won't help you now.

And Shalrirorchia, this is not an attact specifically on you, but on all the left-wing sore losers that seem to be running around lately.

For the record, I supported Kerry this election.

Anything is possible. If Kerry and the Dems have appropriate and reasonable grounds on which to launch an appeal, then they can do it. Adolf Bush and the RepubliNazis can't stop them. If they do, they will only confirm the believe that they are indeed out to crush all opposition and create a state in which it is tyranny by majority - at least at the government level.

It's done and over, let's move on.

Omg. That is just patheltic. Suck it up.

Bush won fair and square BECUASE KERRY GAVE UP

Whether there was a "conspericy" (total bull) it doesnt matter cuz Kerry conceided.

You are a disgrace to polititions every where. :mad:

you know, any sore loser could have wrote that to make people beleive him/her.

The only way this will go away is to certify a series of machines.

If they all or a majority have "errors" then it has to be investigated......

ATENNTION ALL LIBERALS/DEMOCRATS

Guys, ask yourself, do we do ourselves any good if we sit around a scream conspriacy? We can't win in '06 and '08 if we keep on pondering about this. And also, lets try to not look at it as a sporting event where if your team loses there is nothing you can do, but instead try to help America and try to build bridges. To bad the republicans will refuse to move to the center at all. The only fix is for Tom Delay to go. The man has very serious ethics issues and should be in jail technically.

The evidence is really piling up. If you check the official record of votes in Ohio, you can find one precinct that in 2000 had about 250 Dems and 350 Repubs vote. In 2004 it had about 275 Dems, and 4400 Repubs. Now that's what I call "getting out the vote." Curiously, only about 400 people in that precint voted in favor of banning gay marriage. It seems about 4000 voters there (~80%) simply abstained on every issue but the presidential election.

Y'know, I hope you tards keep on screaming about conspiracies.

It just makes the job of the Republicans so much easier.

ATENNTION ALL LIBERALS/DEMOCRATS

Guys, ask yourself, do we do ourselves any good if we sit around a scream conspriacy? We can't win in '06 and '08 if we keep on pondering about this. And also, lets try to not look at it as a sporting event where if your team loses there is nothing you can do, but instead try to help America and try to build bridges. To bad the republicans will refuse to move to the center at all. The only fix is for Tom Delay to go. The man has very serious ethics issues and should be in jail technically.

Shouting conspiracy only works when you prove it.

As we are trying out new methods of voting it is the right of the people to want the results tested to make sure there aren't "mistakes" happening.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

Fellow Dems, we may have been accidently or deliberately cheated of an election victory here! Read that article (it's only one of a variety of such articles coming to light), and then email information regarding it to ABC, CBS, MSNBC, FOX, and CNN!

OK, I do personally believe there was enough vote fraud for bu$h to steal Ohio, and with it, the election...

However, to those saying "prove it or shut up," investigations are not done in a day. It takes far longer than a week to prove vote fraud in most cases. However, for those republicans out there who think that this is tinfoil hat theory, apparently three members of Congress believe in conspiracy theories too, as they have called for an investigation. No, they do not say the f-word (fraud) outright, but it is a matter if is it fraud or voting glitches Methinks that if suspicious circumstances were simply voting glitches, that Kerry would have also been the beneficiary of random errors.

Source: http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/correspondence/letters.html

Click on "Text of Letter from Reps. Conyers, Nadler and Wexler to GAO Comptroller Walker Requesting Investigation of Voting Machines and Technologies Used in 2004 Election (11/5/04)" and you'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader.

However, I will concede that the likelihood of bu$h stealing the popular vote is extremely low. It would have been difficult, if not impossible, to steal 3.5 million votes nationwide without getting instantly caught. I believe that Ohio could have gone to Kerry without voting problems and eight-hour long lines. This would have put bu$h in the position of winning the popular vote but losing the electoral vote, in which case irony would have been a bitch.
:D

I would also not be surprised to learn of fraud in FL, though I doubt bu$h needed it there.

What the hell is wrong with schools today? Why are they teaching '$' as a letter?

Voter fraud is somewhat of a none issue, since Kerry...you know...gave up.

As I already mentioned and discussed at some length, (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370967) electronic voting errors and/or voter fraud - traditional or newfangled - quite possibly determined the course of election in several states. Not merely Florida. The difference between exit polls, pre-election polls, and the results is quite dramatic in certain cases, and this should be taken as alarming.

It is true that Kerry has conceded the race already (which surprised me - for one, I felt cheated, but he had his reasons, I suppose.) It is also, however, true that we will continue to have elections in this country, and that making voter fraud more difficult in future elections should be a top priority. We should demand full accountability, full investigations, and detailed examination of election fraud. Those who say that the election being over makes all this irrelevant are being shortsighted in the extreme. If anything, now that Kerry has conceded, we should be better able to approach the issue without as much partisan bickering and without the results of the election hanging over our heads.

With or without voter fraud (which occurs in pretty much every federal election - the question is how much and how high up the planning goes), it was a close election. In any event, every close election of the future will be tainted by allegations of uncertainty and labelled potentially fraudulent by future historians unless we work to investigate and clarify the various inconsistencies clearly present in the results.

My honest opinion is that if Kerry won, us righties would not be crying conspiracy. I am glad John Kerry had the dignity to concede. I am pissed at John Edwards for being alive. And I can't stand Michael Moore. The left wing should be dubbed, "the party that cried conspiracy". B/c by now, no one believes them. :D

My honest opinion is that if Kerry won, us righties would not be crying conspiracy. I am glad John Kerry had the dignity to concede. I am pissed at John Edwards for being alive. And I can't stand Michael Moore. The left wing should be dubbed, "the party that cried conspiracy". B/c by now, no one believes them. :D

I was unaware the entire liberal belief system was a political party

Omg. That is just patheltic. Suck it up.

Bush won fair and square BECUASE KERRY GAVE UP

Whether there was a "conspericy" (total bull) it doesnt matter cuz Kerry conceided.

You are a disgrace to polititions every where. :mad:

you know, any sore loser could have wrote that to make people beleive him/her.

Concession isn't legally binding.

My honest opinion is that if Kerry won, us righties would not be crying conspiracy. I am glad John Kerry had the dignity to concede. I am pissed at John Edwards for being alive. And I can't stand Michael Moore. The left wing should be dubbed, "the party that cried conspiracy". B/c by now, no one believes them. :D
New Gilead, it was often said by conservatives at the time that JFK only won due to the cemetary vote in Chicago. I suspect only that it would not pull as much airtime, because in most of the key states that issues with electronic voting machines have arisen, the Republicans are in power locally.

Do you really believe all this conspiracy theory crap? Please, you lost the election. I don't like it any more than you do, but get over it already.

Voter fraud is somewhat of a none issue, since Kerry...you know...gave up.
a concession speech is in no way legally binding. if it later is revealed that Kerry actually won the election, he'd still become President.

The question is if the election was hacked and we can convince the rest of the country what then? Will Bush voluntarily step down? Will the Republican party be outlawed or being anti democratic? Will Rove by put up against a wall and shot for Super-Treason?
Let us hope!

Ugh. I'm sick of hearing about this.

BUSH WON.

Now stop screaming "conspiracy!!" and fix your goddamn party so you can win in '08. The election is over and conspiracy theories won't help you now.

And Shalrirorchia, this is not an attact specifically on you, but on all the left-wing sore losers that seem to be running around lately.

For the record, I supported Kerry this election.

Is anyone who tries to bring forth evidence of a crime a whiner? Or just when it's election fraud?

Voter fraud is somewhat of a none issue, since Kerry...you know...gave up.

It is most definately not a "none issue". Wether or not Kerry conceded, voter fraud is against Federal law and must be investigated. It is still possible for Kerry to win the election, even if he conceded - and his concession might even help with no faith electors who feel that he proved himself better than Bush ever did on Election Night.

The hole national elections? Wow.

Sorry, but I'm not buying. The margins are too wide, particularly in Florida, for me to believe that voter fraud was a deciding factor (if it existed at all), and the fact that the exit polls were so consistently off only further suggests to me that the old ways of polling need to be re-evaluated.

The fact that the margins are indeed wide, for the Republicans, in heavily democratic districts, but only where the optical machines were used is indeed significant.

If i remember correctly i saw these fraud sites days before the election happend

so any thing that could of happend had to of been fixed, other wise the democrats are stupid since they where warned on these (check drudge report if you rely on crappy news reports/consipiracy theory)

the fact that the exit polls were so consistently off only further suggests to me that the old ways of polling need to be re-evaluated.

The discrepancy means that either the exit polls or the official results are wrong. Personally, I'd rather take a person's word as to for whom they voted over a machine's.

Democrat or Republican... I want a fair election.

There are 30 counties in Ohio where there wasw over 100% voter turn out.

Ranging from 100% to over 1000% in some counties, thats at least 97,000 fraud votes IF you assume 100% of the people voted in all 30 counties.

Honestly, can republicans not win without cheating?

What the hell is wrong with schools today? Why are they teaching '$' as a letter?

Dude, lighten up. I deliberately replaced the letter 's' with '$' to denote the greed of the Bush crime family. I know what I'm doing; I received an excellent education, imo.:p

michael moore should never ever ever ever take his shirt or pants off.

Democrat or Republican... I want a fair election.

There are 30 counties in Ohio where there wasw over 100% voter turn out.

Ranging from 100% to over 1000% in some counties, thats at least 97,000 fraud votes IF you assume 100% of the people voted in all 30 counties.

Honestly, can republicans not win without cheating?

why do you assume that, assuming you are right, that the voter turnout in excess of 100% voted for Bush? could it be, maybe, that the "extra" voters were in Kerry's corner?

Bush won fair and square BECUASE KERRY GAVE UP

Whether there was a "conspericy" (total bull) it doesnt matter cuz Kerry conceided.


I agree, shut up. There was certainly plenty of fraud in 2000 but Bush won fair and square this time, he even got a popular vote, and as stated above, Kerry conceded so it doesn't matter anyway.

As much as I'd love for this to be true, I'd need to see much more compelling evidence to believe it.

why do you assume that, assuming you are right, that the voter turnout in excess of 100% voted for Bush? could it be, maybe, that the "extra" voters were in Kerry's corner?

Either way, it should be investigated, shouldn't it?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

Fellow Dems, we may have been accidently or deliberately cheated of an election victory here! Read that article (it's only one of a variety of such articles coming to light), and then email information regarding it to ABC, CBS, MSNBC, FOX, and CNN!
:rolleyes: "We will not go quietly into the night..."

Enough.

Kerry lost.

More Americans voted for Bush.

Bush won more Electoral Votes.

:rolleyes: "We will not go quietly into the night..."

Enough.

Kerry lost.

More Americans voted for Bush.

Bush won more Electoral Votes.

I refer you to my Post #22.

Is it really necessary to give both sides more reason to flame each other?

Unfree People
Forum Moderator