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"A self-serving, dim-witted, draft-dodging, gung-ho little rich boy, whose idea of courage is to yell: "I feel good," as he unleashes an awesome fury which slaughters 100,000 innocents for no other reason than greed and vanity. "

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=285

Okay, so this is a quote from a British tabloid paper, but obviously Moore agrees with the sentiment.

Sore loser? I guess so. Mike is taking it very, very badly. Not surprising when he spent so much time and effort trying to defeat Bush, and was so arrogantly predicting a Kerry victory (in no small part due to his own efforts).

Moore has lost a lot of credibility, for sure. One wonders how long it will be before he claims this election was stolen too. There are already a whole bunch of liberal crazies out there claiming massive voter fraud in Ohio and Florida.

Judging by Moore's past record, it won't be *that* long.

huh? Moore is still around? Argh.. quick send more doughnuts untill he chokes.

Moore: "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah"

I'm surprise he wasn't yelling about stolen elections 3 minutes after Hawaii's polls closed.

And just what bile would YOU be spewing forth had Kerry won? :)

Nothing... I really don't care. I want Bush for President but if Kerry won... I'd congratulate him and get on with life.

And just what bile would YOU be spewing forth had Kerry won? :)
Probably "VOTER FRAUD!!!"

Voter fraud is their answer to voter suppression.

I really respect Moore for having the guts to do what he did.
Moore is a champ.

I really respect Moore for having the guts to do what he did.
Moore is a champ.

Moore had the guts to do what he did...and he probably has enough gut left over to do it again in 4 years.

I would respect his big gut a whole lot more if it came with a more settled brain and a bit more tactful mouth. Moore learned the wrong lessons from the right-wing in America.

I really respect Moore for having the guts to do what he did.
Moore is a champ.


have a feeling the financial gain from the movie gave him more "guts" then he otherwise wouldent have

less champ more mercenary :-D

Moore needs to get a haircut and some decent clothes. He made the best selling documentary ever and he still dresses (and usually sounds like) a drunken hobo.

Moore needs to get a haircut and some decent clothes. He made the best selling documentary ever and he still dresses (and usually sounds like) a drunken hobo.
Moore is a drunken hobo. This sad, sad large man is just stuck in an idealogy that is drying up and dying. Ignore him, most of America does.

I do agree with a lot with Moore's views (recently saw Bowling for Columbine and was fascinated by what he had to say); he does appeal to British audiences. He was on Question Time (British Political debating show) on an American Election special, and I have to admit he did come across as a bit too anti-Bush (although I would also agree with that!). His arguments can be very one-sided which doesn't always help his case. He needs to balance up a bit more so that he doesn't start putting off everyone who is not an avid supporter of his.

Moore had better get his morbidly obese self under control quick. Can all of us join up and pool our resources and hire Richard Simmons. We wouldn't want him getting his feet cut off or losing his eyesight due to diabetes.

PS-Could you imagine MM in short shorts, sweating to the oldies.

I read that article. And he spoke like America is going to fail. He made it seem that its going to plunge into the ground and break into a million pieces. He spoke bad about our country, and its people like him that will one day cause this nation to break apart and fail.

an Electoral College voting system that makes the Eurovision Song Contest look like a beacon of democracy and efficiency

Holy crap... :D

I do agree with a lot with Moore's views (recently saw Bowling for Columbine and was fascinated by what he had to say); he does appeal to British audiences. He was on Question Time (British Political debating show) on an American Election special, and I have to admit he did come across as a bit too anti-Bush (although I would also agree with that!). His arguments can be very one-sided which doesn't always help his case. He needs to balance up a bit more so that he doesn't start putting off everyone who is not an avid supporter of his.
No way. He needs to be just like himself. We need politicians like him who can carve out a position and stick to it. What if the Democrats would mount any serious opposition? Nobody on the right is compromising any of their views to be more reasonable. They're not a majority and it's never time to quit on this.

I read that article. And he spoke like America is going to fail. He made it seem that its going to plunge into the ground and break into a million pieces. He spoke bad about our country, and its people like him that will one day cause this nation to break apart and fail.

he won't break the country, unyileding ideology will.

The only way politics will get better and actually start getting the people's will done is to do away with parties all together. Every politician should resemble a cross-section of the immediate society/area they represent - that way we won;t have such widly differign views and the candidates will be judged more for their ideas and plans and less for their affilaiations and what they could mean 'IF' they're elected.

I see Moore as a sort of blue-collar undeducated version of Chomsky. As a free-market libertarian, I despise his communist anti-freedom rhetoric, yet strongly agree with his negative assessment of US foreign policy. I think his frustration with the American people is reasonable, but he's foolish to pander to European audiences by insulting our collective intelligence.

The thing about Moore that most astonishes me is how he's become such a boogeyman for the Republicans. AFAIK, back when he was fighting big buisness for daring to face economic reality, the American right didn't much care. They made no attempt to defend free-market capitalism from his irrational indictments. Recently, when he was trying to blame violence on guns, he didn't get much negative attention outside gun-rights cricles. But when he dared to question the claims and motives of the Bush regime, he somehow became the #1 representive for the evil liberal leftist Democrats.

I wish Moore himself understood how and why his existence was effectively used to motive people to vote for Bush.

I haven't payed any attention to Big Mike since Bowling for Columbine, what a load of unrepentent crap. It wasn't even particulary internally consistent, just very stupid. I still have yet to get a response to my letters demanding I receive a refund and personal apology from him. I think I've sent about 100 by now, and, based on his statements and attitude, he probably just eats the letters when he sees my address on the envelope.

The most unrecognized Michael Moore lies;

Michael Moore was born and raised in Davison, Michigan and not Flint which he states in his movies. He attended Davison High School. Davison, Michigan is near Flint. However, it has a higher standard of living and lower poverty and unemployment rate than Flint.

According to Moore, "No president had ever witnessed such a thing on his inauguration day. " According to history, Richard Nixon faced comparable protests in 1969 and 1973. The anti-Nixon protest in 1973 drew 60,000 people.

Moore says, "The plan to have Bush get out of the limo for the traditional walk to the White House was scrapped." But according to the BBC, "Mr. Bush delighted his supporters by getting out of his limousine and walked the last block of the parade, holding hands with his wife Laura."

Fahrenheit mocks President Bush for continuing to read the book "My Pet Goat" to a classroom of elementary school children after he was told about the September 11 attacks. Actually, as reported in the magazine "The New Yorker," the book was 'Reading Mastery 2'.

The movie mentions the "coalition of the willing" as being a few insignificant nations like Iceland with no military. However, as of The transfer of sovereignty in Iraq on June 28, 2004, a total of 32 countries had 25,000 troops in Iraq along with another 135,000 from the U.S. Great Britain, Poland, and Italy each had thousands of troops in Iraq as of the transfer.

There were two competing plans to access untapped oil supplies:
1) The Unocal Plan-to run pipelines to Afganistan
2) The Enron Plan-to run pipelines under the Caspian Sea.
The Unocal Plan would have provided funding to the Taliban. Former President Bill Clinton supported this plan. Unocal eventually shelved the project. President George Bush backed the Enron Plan.

In the movie, Moore states that on September 12th, 2001, the day after the September 11th attacks, that the U.S. government "secretly" flew the Bin Laden family out of the U.S. when the all flights were grounded. However, this is not true. The Bin Laden family was flown out of the U.S. for their own safety on September 15th, 2001, as all domestic flights were allowed to resume normal operations.

The narration says: "It turns out that the White House approved planes to pick up the bin Ladens and numerous other Saudis." Richard Clark, National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism from 1998 to 2003, authorized the departures. He has publicly stated through interviews that the FBI was consulted. The decision went no higher than Clark. This is also found in Section 10 of the Commission on Terrorism report "Threats and Responses in 2001" on page 12.

Anyone on here ever heard of a song called "Free Speech For the Dumb". This is the perfect way to describe Michael Moore. He uses the bill of rights to make excuses for his incredibly successful attempts to profit from everything that is wrong with society. I'm a liberal myself, and I consider him to be a selfish, hypocritical, leech who in no way deserves the luxuries he now rolls his fat ass around in.

I really respect Moore for having the guts to do what he did.
Moore is a champ.

since when does compulsive lying take guts?

Michael Moore is allowed to be on what ever he wants. He's big enough.
The Empire of Presidency acknowledges this and gives him full diplomatic immunity herein.

i dont dispute his freedom of speech, but hes still the fattest moron in the country

When Moore made documentaries that expressed a concern for those facing economic ruin due to the policies of the corporations, then he was worth listening to. Hopefully he will return to the economic issues.

Socially, he doesn't have a clue. He claimed six months ago that America was a liberal country and that Kerry bascially couldn't lose because a majority of the people are liberal. How stupid can you get. Whatever America is, it's certainly not majority liberal.

Moore should focus on, and make a documentary about, job losses due to NAFTA, about the perils of so-called Free Trade with China, about outsourcing - he should go back to attacking the corporations who are quickly exporting our industrial and manufacturing base. This is a non-partisan issue. The Democrats and the Republicans now generally both support NAFTA, the WTO, free trade with China etc.

Moore should do what he does best. Be a polemicist on behalf of those affected by the corporations' relentless pursuit of profit, whatever the cost to the American economy and people.

You damn straight he lost credibility. Credibility with republicans.

Probably "VOTER FRAUD!!!"

Voter fraud is their answer to voter suppression.
well when you get a few thousands extra republican votes in an area with a fraction of that many who went to the polls..

The most unrecognized Michael Moore lies;

Michael Moore was born and raised in Davison, Michigan and not Flint which he states in his movies. He attended Davison High School. Davison, Michigan is near Flint. However, it has a higher standard of living and lower poverty and unemployment rate than Flint.
I don't care much much for the guy myself, but from a certain standpoint he is correct about where he lives, as Davision is considered part of the Metro-Flint area. Technically it is not that much different from saying you're from Detroit, Michigan when you're really from Southfield. People say stuff like that because you're from around there and people recognize the name better. I mean honestly how many people even knew a Davison, Michigan existed, let alone knew it was near Flint?

Some call Michael Moore a hero. Here's my response:
A firefighter who runs into a hellish inferno to save an entire family is a hero. A soldier who dies in defense of liberty and freedom is a hero. A policeman who takes a bullet from a heroin junkie's gun for innocent people, THAT is a f*cking hero! A lying scumbag who spreads slander and lies just to make a profit is about as far from a hero as one can get!

Please excuse me while I vent my anger with a 9mm submachine gun on some pop cans out back.
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Once again the American electorate has proven that, by not paying attention to REAL issues, they are not qualified to vote. It seems that many voters stated "values" were why they voted for bush. bush is an arrogant little turd that has no values of any worth, other than to enrich the very people he refers to as "elistist" at the expense of those fooled into thinking values were of consequence. His handlers, yes handlers (for the turd has no intelligence of his own) are now in a position to roll back half a century of progress and maybe several parts of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, turning this into their idea of a Fascist Corporate State. I only wonder how long people such as myself, will be allowed to make such statements without ending up at Guantanamo Prison or some new camp here on the mainland.

precisely why Moore started to tick me off after Bowling...

well when you get a few thousands extra republican votes in an area with a fraction of that many who went to the polls..
Of course, you wouldn't know a thing about it, since you couldn't be bothered to go vote for fear of missing your lunch hour.

Once again the American electorate has proven that, by not paying attention to REAL issues, they are not qualified to vote. It seems that many voters stated "values" were why they voted for bush. bush is an arrogant little turd that has no values of any worth, other than to enrich the very people he refers to as "elistist" at the expense of those fooled into thinking values were of consequence. His handlers, yes handlers (for the turd has no intelligence of his own) are now in a position to roll back half a century of progress and maybe several parts of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, turning this into their idea of a Fascist Corporate State. I only wonder how long people such as myself, will be allowed to make such statements without ending up at Guantanamo Prison or some new camp here on the mainland.And this pertains to Michael Moore How exactly.... oh I see. Michael Moore is your GOD!

Let's... not... flame each other.

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Let's... not... flame each other.

Unfree People
Forum ModeratorRight... sorry. Oberkiefer, I aplogize for being rude.

Let's... not... flame each other.

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Point of order Mr. Speaker.

By flaming, do you include bringing up the whole lunch/not voting thing.

I haven't payed any attention to Big Mike since Bowling for Columbine, what a load of unrepentent crap. It wasn't even particulary internally consistent, just very stupid. I still have yet to get a response to my letters demanding I receive a refund and personal apology from him. I think I've sent about 100 by now, and, based on his statements and attitude, he probably just eats the letters when he sees my address on the envelope.

I'm glad I watched that movie - it inspired me to get my C&R license.

I don't understand how somebody who doesn't eat healthily, doesn't exercise, and doesn't shave, can possibly accuse anybody of being lazy?

But seriously. People, including Michael Moore, should just get over the fact that their favorite candidate didn't win. Unfortunately, I think our friend Mr Moore will continue his whinging and complaining through to the next election. Maybe he should do everyone a big favour and move to Canada.

I don't understand how somebody who doesn't eat healthily, doesn't exercise, and doesn't shave, can possibly accuse anybody of being lazy?

But seriously. People, including Michael Moore, should just get over the fact that their favorite candidate didn't win. Unfortunately, I think our friend Mr Moore will continue his whinging and complaining through to the next election. Maybe he should do everyone a big favour and move to Canada.but... why punnish the Canadians... they didn't do anything to deserve THAT... :eek:

I don't understand how somebody who doesn't eat healthily, doesn't exercise, and doesn't shave, can possibly accuse anybody of being lazy?

But seriously. People, including Michael Moore, should just get over the fact that their favorite candidate didn't win. Unfortunately, I think our friend Mr Moore will continue his whinging and complaining through to the next election. Maybe he should do everyone a big favour and move to Canada.

I just love how that's the big insult against him.

Not "I disagree with both his message and the tactics he uses to get it across.
Not "I don't think Moore really is as intellegent as he puts himself off as"
Not "Moore really needs to express his point in a less hateful way.

No, you get "OMFG Moore is teh FAT ROFFLEZTRAIN!"

Some call Michael Moore a hero. Here's my response:
A firefighter who runs into a hellish inferno to save an entire family is a hero. A soldier who dies in defense of liberty and freedom is a hero. A policeman who takes a bullet from a heroin junkie's gun for innocent people, THAT is a f*cking hero! A lying scumbag who spreads slander and lies just to make a profit is about as far from a hero as one can get!

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Somebody who stands up for the rights of people he doesn't agree with; while making no money from it and while recieving threats of violence against him from people who don't understand what he's campaigning for; that's another definition of "hero".

I know somebody who has never run into a hellish inferno, never died in defence of freedom, and never been shot at, who is a hero because of my definition above. And I admire this person a lot.

Oh, and Chess Squares: That particular mistake was a problem at the polling booth. You can't seriously suggest that the Republicans purposely caused that. Besides, the problem was noticed and the votes were recounted properly - and Bush still got more votes there.

Let's face it, more people voted for Bush than for Kerry. You can't say "70% didn't vote for Bush because they never turned up at a polling place". When people want a change, they will vote. When they don't want a change, they won't always vote. That's why I'm all for compulsary voting.

I just love how that's the big insult against him.

Not "I disagree with both his message and the tactics he uses to get it across.
Not "I don't think Moore really is as intellegent as he puts himself off as"
Not "Moore really needs to express his point in a less hateful way.

No, you get "OMFG Moore is teh FAT ROFFLEZTRAIN!"

Oh, I've said many times that I disagree with his message and I think he's not got a point on anything I've heard him speaking about. His leaps of logic are wild and unrealistic, as if he enjoys creating intrigue and conspiracies where none exist.

However, when he started describing a marathon runner as being lazy, that just made me laugh. That's the hypocritical thing about him which is highly entertaining: He doesn't take the time to make himself look presentable when he's in the public eye, but he reckons that somebody ELSE is slack. My advice to Moore is "Get a haircut" (the hair on his chins).

He doesn't take the time to make himself look presentable when he's in the public eye
I can't say that I know for sure why he does this, but most likely it's because what a person looks like is irrelevent.

Anyone on here ever heard of a song called "Free Speech For the Dumb". This is the perfect way to describe Michael Moore. He uses the bill of rights to make excuses for his incredibly successful attempts to profit from everything that is wrong with society. I'm a liberal myself, and I consider him to be a selfish, hypocritical, leech who in no way deserves the luxuries he now rolls his fat ass around in.
Firstly, "dumb" is a slang term that at one time was used to describe a mute person. Therefore, the song is saying that there is only free speech for those who are unable to speak.
Secondly, while I agree that Moore shouldn't profit from his films, etc., the reason is that all for-profit media should be stopped. If Fox News has a right to profit, then so does Moore.