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The idea and assertion that anyone who does not believe the same things and think the same way as the American left is a ignorant, backward, stupid hick, by nearly every person that you hear speak candidly for the Democratic party, hurt them greatly in this election and will cost the every election until they give this up, in my opinion.
What do you think?

The idea and assertion that anyone who does not believe the same things and think the same way as the American left is a ignorant, backward, stupid hick, by nearly every person that you hear speak candidly for the Democratic party, hurt them greatly in this election and will cost the every election until they give this up, in my opinion.
What do you think?
Yes, many of them have contempt for not only people who disagree with them, but anybody who isn't urban and from the 'progressive' parts of the country. Mostly, if a person doesn't live on the proper coast and in a gigantic metropolitan area they are nobody; they really are that simplistic about it sometimes.

The idea and assertion that anyone who does not believe the same things and think the same way as the American left is a ignorant, backward, stupid hick, by nearly every person that you hear speak candidly for the Democratic party, hurt them greatly in this election and will cost the every election until they give this up, in my opinion.
What do you think?

Of course. Liberals are closed-minded bigots. If you don't agree with their peculiar worldview you are either stupid or evil. Basically this perspective excludes the entire South from ever voting Democratic. But from a Republican view, this is great news. As long as the Democrats are perceived as extreme-liberal on social issues, the Republicans will be in power for a long time.

Wow... three somewhat conservative posts in a row...

I won't say if I agree or disagree with any of it... but this is a great day.

I would agree that it hurt them in the election. Take a look at Hollywood. A huge number of the people out there are Democrats, and look down their noses at the rest of the country, even if they were raised there. Hell, I've heard people from the coasts refer to the rest of the country as 'the flyover states'.

That sounds great. Let us insult a majority of the country based on where they live.

I didn't mean for my post to be particularly conservative, maybe i worded it badly. My point is that, portaying onesself as superior to anyone who doesn't agree with you is no way to gather support.

The idea and assertion that anyone who does not believe the same things and think the same way as the American left is a ignorant, backward, stupid hick, by nearly every person that you hear speak candidly for the Democratic party, hurt them greatly in this election and will cost the every election until they give this up, in my opinion.
What do you think?
How many people do you think changed their vote based on what was said on the internet?

Certainly not the backward stupid hicks, cause they don't use the internet.

That's why every internet forum I have ever been on is mostly liberal, at least moreso than average America.

Oh, and you're wrong. Bush won by swelling his own base, most notably evangelical Christians. Take a look at the election results.

How many people do you think changed their vote based on what was said on the internet?

Certainly not the backward stupid hicks, cause they don't use the internet.

That's why every internet forum I have ever been on is mostly liberal, at least moreso than average America.

Oh, and you're wrong. Bush won by swelling his own base, most notably evangelical Christians. Take a look at the election results.
Here is a perfect example of what I meant.

The idea and assertion that anyone who does not believe the same things and think the same way as the American left is a ignorant, backward, stupid hick, by nearly every person that you hear speak candidly for the Democratic party, hurt them greatly in this election and will cost the every election until they give this up, in my opinion.
What do you think?

Doesn't seem much different to Bush saying that anyone who disagrees with him is an atheistic, France loving, homosexual communist who's probably on welfare.

Both parties have their own form of arrogance.

I am from southern Illinois, right in the bible belt, conservative to the hilt. 90% of the people I know are the conservatives who you are referring to. I have never referred to them as dumb hicks and never will. While I admit some liberals turn down their noses at this area of the country, it is a select few, just like there are a select few conservatives who look down liberals as being pussies and commies and whatever else they say.

However, such a reactionary, defensive, inflammatory post might cause me and some of my fellow reasonable liberals to think that those select few might be right.

Don't generalize, it shows a deep lack of understanding.

Doesn't seem much different to Bush saying that anyone who disagrees with him is an atheistic, France loving, homosexual communist who's probably on welfare.

Both parties have their own form of arrogance.
I could be wrong, but Republicans in my view seem to try to persuede people to agree with them more than insult them if the disagree. Democrats seem to do the oposite. Just my opinion, that's why I asked for others.

Here is a perfect example of what I meant.

It was pretty arrogant

I am from southern Illinois, right in the bible belt, conservative to the hilt. 90% of the people I know are the conservatives who you are referring to. I have never referred to them as dumb hicks and never will. While I admit some liberals turn down their noses at this area of the country, it is a select few, just like there are a select few conservatives who look down liberals as being pussies and commies and whatever else they say.

However, such a reactionary, defensive, inflammatory post might cause me and some of my fellow reasonable liberals to think that those select few might be right.

Don't generalize, it shows a deep lack of understanding.
Was that directed at me?It's tough to tell to tell.

Here is a perfect example of what I meant.
Look up any of MunkeBrain's posts to see the opposite side.

You must be pretty arrogant to think only liberals are arrogant, HAH! :p

How many people do you think changed their vote based on what was said on the internet?

Certainly not the backward stupid hicks, cause they don't use the internet.

That's why every internet forum I have ever been on is mostly liberal, at least moreso than average America.

Oh, and you're wrong. Bush won by swelling his own base, most notably evangelical Christians. Take a look at the election results.

This type of arrogance - calling people "backward stupid hicks" - presumably because they didn't vote for Kerry, is exactly the point of the poster. For your information, even "backward stupid hicks" in the South have internet access. Do you think we all live in log cabins or shanty towns without electricity?

Actually, if you read the NY Times you probably do. It always makes me laugh how the Times portrays people in the South as basically backward for voting GOP. Whatever... it's called democracy and the liberals don't have a clue any more how to win an election without being *less* liberal. They would have to abandon their liberal extremism on gay marriage etc before they will be taken seriously. Of course, the Dems are completely beholden to their special interest groups - the gays, the secular Christian-haters, and all the others. So that's not about to happen soon. Good news for the Republicans.

I could be wrong, but Republicans in my view seem to try to persuede people to agree with them more than insult them if the disagree. Democrats seem to do the oposite. Just my opinion, that's why I asked for others.

The last time I checked a persons behavior was not governed by their political affiliations, are you saying that there is a fundamental difference in behaviors between republicans and democrats? If you are that may be the most arrogant thing I have ever heard.

Look up any of MunkeBrain's posts to see the opposite side.

You must be pretty arrogant to think only liberals are arrogant, HAH! :p
Hah? Hah! Hah? Great point. I think that this arrogance is much more prevalant and central to the thinking and rhetoric of the left, but I never said it was exclusive.

actually, tactically surrendering the huge number of single and double issue voters (guns and fundies) to the republicans is costing democrats elections. if the democrats were any good at being a sell-out pandering political party - which they aren't - they would secretly create a splinter party that ran culturally reactionary, economically hardline social democrats in the south and west. this splinter party might be capable of winning elections in kansas even.

note: this is not an endorsement for this strategy. what we really need is for the cultural revolution that we've been having in the urban areas for the past 150 years or so to spread to the rural areas.

This type of arrogance - calling people "backward stupid hicks" - presumably because they didn't vote for Kerry, is exactly the point of the poster. For your information, even "backward stupid hicks" in the South have internet access. Do you think we all live in log cabins or shanty towns without electricity?

Actually, if you read the NY Times you probably do. It always makes me laugh how the Times portrays people in the South as basically backward for voting GOP. Whatever... it's called democracy and the liberals don't have a clue any more how to win an election without being *less* liberal. They would have to abandon their liberal extremism on gay marriage etc before they will be taken seriously. Of course, the Dems are completely beholden to their special interest groups - the gays, the secular Christian-haters, and all the others. So that's not about to happen soon. Good news for the Republicans.

Since when was opposing a gay marriage ban extremist? I would say that most rural conservatives have never known a gay person before. I would say that you haven't with your delicate phrase "the gays" like they were lepers. I would also say that they don't know too many minorities, they don't know too many people of other religions, and pretty much don't understand where those groups are coming from. I have a feeling that is why there is a relationship between urbanites and liberals.

Here is a perfect example of what I meant.

Yep, the lefties (especially here on these boards) tend to view themselves as intellectuals (mistakenly IMO.) They view anyone with religion or views opposite theirs as ignorant trash. :rolleyes:

I could be wrong, but Republicans in my view seem to try to persuede people to agree with them more than insult them if the disagree. Democrats seem to do the oposite. Just my opinion, that's why I asked for others.

I don't agree at all: "Old Europe", "freedom fries", U.N bashing, running another attack campaign, the way in which 'liberal' has become a dirty word...

This type of arrogance - calling people "backward stupid hicks" - presumably because they didn't vote for Kerry, is exactly the point of the poster. For your information, even "backward stupid hicks" in the South have internet access. Do you think we all live in log cabins or shanty towns without electricity?
I lived in South Carolina for three years. I know they have internet access. :p

I was just having a go at the starter of this thread.

Actually, if you read the NY Times you probably do. It always makes me laugh how the Times portrays people in the South as basically backward for voting GOP. Whatever... it's called democracy and the liberals don't have a clue any more how to win an election without being *less* liberal. They would have to abandon their liberal extremism on gay marriage etc before they will be taken seriously.
I would hope the Democrats have the balls to hold to their beliefs, in equal rights, freedom to an abortion, etc.

Of course, the Dems are completely beholden to their special interest groups - the gays, the secular Christian-haters, and all the others.
Whereas the Republicans are beholden to the Religious Right, the NRA, and the tobacco industry. Politicians are politicians.

I could be wrong, but Republicans in my view seem to try to persuede people to agree with them more than insult them if the disagree. Democrats seem to do the oposite. Just my opinion, that's why I asked for others.
Strange, I've always thought it was the opposite.

Can we ever see eye to eye? :p

I'm a regular on sciforums, a very liberal board. I've definately noticed that many arguments with liberals amount to nothing better than adhoms. "Conservatives are ignorant, racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, jingoistic a-holes" is pretty much the basis of their arguments. Certainly there are a few fair minded leftists out there interested in a good debate, but many of them sincerely believe that they have a monopoly on truth and wisdom and anyone who disagrees is, obviously, an idiot. Just look at how the media portrays conservatives. Bush is an idiot. Reagan, an idiot- and senile to boot. Ford, a clumsy idiot. Kerry, Gore, Clinton: all geniuses. The question is: How do these geniuses keep losing to us idiots?

I don't agree at all: "Old Europe", "freedom fries", U.N bashing, running another attack campaign, the way in which 'liberal' has become a dirty word...
There is a difference, it lies in not portraying the people who believe in princiles held by most Liberals as being inferior. That is the mistake Democrats make when dealing with people who may not believe in everything they do, but might vote for them if Democrats treated them as equals despite thier differences.

How do these geniuses keep losing to us idiots?
Must say something about the voters. :p

Strange, I've always thought it was the opposite.

Can we ever see eye to eye? :p
You and I, maybe not.

Must say something about the voters. :p
There it is again!

Hah? Hah! Hah? Great point. I think that this arrogance is much more prevalant and central to the thinking and rhetoric of the left, but I never said it was exclusive.
So far on the thread most of them have been living up to the condescension, arrogance and general superior air that so many are famous for having. The funniest thing is that they can't even see it or still don't care even when they know the theme of the thread, Lol....This is why it's not even worth it to reply to most threads, or god forbid, start one. ;)

So far on the thread most of them have been living up to the condescension, arrogance and general superior air that so many are famous for having. The funniest thing is that they can't even see it or still don't care even when they know the theme of the thread, Lol....This is why it's not even worth it to reply to most threads, or god forbid, start one. ;)
If I used the attack smileys :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: would I fit the stereotype even better? :p

So far on the thread most of them have been living up to the condescension, arrogance and general superior air that so many are famous for having. The funniest thing is that they can't even see it or still don't care even when they know the theme of the thread, Lol....This is why it's not even worth it to reply to most threads, or god forbid, start one. ;)

So far only Chodolo has posted anything remotely resembling what you are talking about. Yet you say that most of the liberals on here are condescending and arrogant. It seems that your views on liberals is partially to blame on selective hearing (or reading I guess).

I will say that most of the conservatives on here have said that liberals are all arrogant psuedo-intellectuals. Which side seems to be doing the most stereotypical name-calling?

So far only Chodolo has posted anything remotely resembling what you are talking about. Yet you say that most of the liberals on here are condescending and arrogant. It seems that your views on liberals is partially to blame on selective hearing (or reading I guess).

I will say that most of the conservatives on here have said that liberals are all arrogant psuedo-intellectuals. Which side seems to be doing the most stereotypical name-calling?
Are you saying that treating those who diagree with them as somehow inferior is not common amoung the left?

Are you saying that treating those who diagree with them as somehow inferior is not common amoung the left?

I'm saying it's not common amongst the left or right. It's common amongst assholes and both sides have plenty of them.

The reason you think this is because a few of the posters on here are very reactionary and don't really think their shit through. You get pissed at those few and a flame war starts up and thus you only remember the assholes. While the polite ones who debate normally get drowned out by the random jerk on here who is just trying to start up an argument.

Just like the people who say conservatives are dumb hicks, you are generalizing a whole group by the actions of a small but loud group of their members.

I'm saying it's not common amongst the left or right. It's common amongst assholes and both sides have plenty of them.

The reason you think this is because a few of the posters on here are very reactionary and don't really think their shit through. You get pissed at those few and a flame war starts up and thus you only remember the assholes. While the polite ones who debate normally get drowned out by the random jerk on here who is just trying to start up an argument.

Just like the people who say conservatives are dumb hicks, you are generalizing a whole group by the actions of a small but loud group of their members.
I disagree somewhat, perhaps he most ignorant voices are the loudest(universal truth in my opinion), but they seem to be the most insulting and prevalent on the left, as I've said several times this is only my opinion and as such may not be true.

Just so yall know, I was only being an asshat cause the opening post was so preposterous. There are loudmouths and idiots and partisan hacks on both sides, to try to say one side is more arrogant than the other is silly, and arrogant in of itself.

I might as well start a thread saying Republicans won this election because they are arrogant.

And I wouldn't be surprised when the reasonable conservatives come out to protest that, and respond with arrogance in return.

Just so yall know, I was only being an asshat cause the opening post was so preposterous. There are loudmouths and idiots and partisan hacks on both sides, to try to say one side is more arrogant than the other is silly, and arrogant in of itself.

I might as well start a thread saying Republicans won this election because they are arrogant.

And I wouldn't be surprised when the reasonable conservatives come out to protest that, and respond with arrogance in return.
Just so you know, I don't believe a word of that.

Just so yall know, I was only being an asshat cause the opening post was so preposterous. There are loudmouths and idiots and partisan hacks on both sides, to try to say one side is more arrogant than the other is silly, and arrogant in of itself.

I might as well start a thread saying Republicans won this election because they are arrogant.

And I wouldn't be surprised when the reasonable conservatives come out to protest that, and respond with arrogance in return.
I believe that the original supposition was that liberals(Democrats) tended to be intellectually arrogant. Republicans certainly can't be accused of this.

I believe this to be true.

Conservatives (Republicans), on the other hand tend to be morally arrogant. Democrats can't be accused of this.

This too I believe to be true.

Just so you know, I don't believe a word of that.
Which part? The whole thing?

"Just so yall know, I was only being an asshat cause the opening post was so preposterous."

That's true. I mentioned earlier in this thread I was just having a go at you for making a rediculous accusation that liberals are arrogant.

"There are loudmouths and idiots and partisan hacks on both sides"

Hang around here for a bit, it's quite true.

"to try to say one side is more arrogant than the other is silly, and arrogant in of itself."

I stand by this.

"I might as well start a thread saying Republicans won this election because they are arrogant.

And I wouldn't be surprised when the reasonable conservatives come out to protest that, and respond with arrogance in return."

Should I test this?

Which part? The whole thing?

"Just so yall know, I was only being an asshat cause the opening post was so preposterous."

That's true. I mentioned earlier in this thread I was just having a go at you for making a rediculous accusation that liberals are arrogant.

"There are loudmouths and idiots and partisan hacks on both sides"

Hang around here for a bit, it's quite true.

"to try to say one side is more arrogant than the other is silly, and arrogant in of itself."

I stand by this.

"I might as well start a thread saying Republicans won this election because they are arrogant.

And I wouldn't be surprised when the reasonable conservatives come out to protest that, and respond with arrogance in return."

Should I test this?
On the first point, I don't believe you. I think you are truly an asshat.
"There are loud-mouths and partisan hacks on both sides."
Sure, but, once again, I see more by a large amount on the left.
As evidenced by my previous statements I think there ae more "asshats" on the left.
You should test your thoery, I think you'll be surprised.

On the first point, I don't believe you. I think you are truly an asshat.
That's too bad. If you hang around and see my other posts, I'm actually a fairly reasonable guy.

You should test your thoery, I think you'll be surprised.
Will do.

I really don't like to do this but... BUMP! I need to get some sleep but I hoped to see some more opinions on this subject.

I agree with you.

I hope you folks realize that Bush and most of the Republican party is not conservative. The 'right wing' has been co-opted and overrun by so-called neoconservatives.

Most true conservatives, constitutionalists, libertarians, and other freedom lovers cringe (or worse) at the behavior of our current 'conservative' politicians.

Unfortunately, most of the 'conservative' base is too uninformed about current events to realize what is happening. They are constantly bombarded with propaganda from Rush, Hannity, Laura Ingram, Savage, Boortz, FOX News, and to a lesser extent to entire mainstream news.

So please, if you believe that Bush is conservative, please read the constitution and then compare it to every bill he as signed into law. Compare it to every legislative proposal he has made. Compare it to his going to war without a Congressional Declaration. Compare it to the PATRIOT Act. Compare our $7.3 Trillion debt and our fiat currency to the warnings of our founding fathers not so many years ago.

If you want to understand what has happened to the Conservatives of this nation over the last century, you need to learn the history and ideals of the neoconservatives. You can do this via http://pnac.info/ which has links to other anti-neocon informational sites. You can judge the political acts of the Ronald Regean against his famous libertarian rhetoric. You study the subversion of the Conservative movement by people like William F. Buckley.

Oh, and after you learn about the power players of the neoconservative movement, go back and notice how many of them are prominently featured on FOX news, the 'conservative' news outlet.

On the first point, I don't believe you. I think you are truly an asshat.
"There are loud-mouths and partisan hacks on both sides."
Sure, but, once again, I see more by a large amount on the left.
As evidenced by my previous statements I think there ae more "asshats" on the left.
You should test your thoery, I think you'll be surprised.

And I see many more on the right...wow thrilling debate guys. Just thrilling "You did it!" "NO YOU DID IT!" NAH-AH YOU DID IT!"

So is this thread meant to convene a meeting of the 'knowing head-nodding' society or what? It's designed to elicit only one of two possible responses, with cheers for the like-minded, and jeers for those opposed.
What's the point then, if not discourse? An expression of solidarity? :confused: