NationStates Jolt Archive

Realize that both of our main political parties(democrats and republicans) that say they govern with the best intentions of our people are in reality governing with the best intentions for their wallets and foreign countries! Take this into account: both political parties state that they completely agree with the israelis in the israeli/palastinian conflict and both plan to contiinue to support this zionist regime meaning that no matter what side wins in the election our tax dollers will be flushed down the toilet going to aid these zionists who believe their gods "chosen" and as a result they think it gives them the right to occupy foreign territory and claim it as their own. What Americans also need to know is that the islamic fundamentalists dont hate America for its freedom or way of life, islamic fundamentalists hate America simply because America blindly supports israel meaning that if we stoped funding the zionists then we wouldnt have such a problem(and war) with the middle east. Its time Americans start getting involved in supporting and funding other American political parties that TRULY represent the American people. With much reformation it would even be possible to put other political parties into our senate and congress that are arent israeli whores which would make America a real democracy instead of a two-party dictatorship that kneels before its israeli masters. However if we dont do this then with the way we are going now the American economy will collapse as a result of all the needless foreign aid it gives(which goes into the billions) and the standard of living in America will severely decrease. Americans! stop supporting political parties with foreign interests and start supporting political parties with YOUR interests. America for the Americans and not the israeli lobbyists!

:yawns:
Go Israel!

Seeing the name "Right-Wing America" I would have expected different. :p

Go Palestine! :p

whats wrong with isreal?

whats wrong with isreal?
Um, Mel Gibson said the Jews killed Jesus.

Yup, that must be it.

Shhhhh, Im trying to sleep.

::yawns also::
Tell me something I don't already know.
Coming from "Right-Wing America" I have to ask, to which party must we flock, the Fascists? They're already in power, kiddo. I' just curious as to in which direction you feel we should be heading.

Um, Mel Gibson said the Jews killed Jesus.

Yup, that must be it.
Of course they did... well, them and the Romans. Goddamn Whops.
It may also have something to do with them stealing a bunch of land away from the Arabs because they were persecuted and for some reason the holocaust seems to trump anything else in terms of "logical" arguments.

israel is also one of the only democratic nations in the middle east

israel is also one of the only democratic nations in the middle east
And?

::yawns also::
Tell me something I don't already know.
Coming from "Right-Wing America" I have to ask, to which party must we flock, the Fascists? They're already in power, kiddo. I' just curious as to in which direction you feel we should be heading.

The current Republican party is simply put GARBAGE. They give all right-wingers a bad reputation. Any true right-winger should definately NOT support the Republican party and instead strive to put a new and reformed right-wing political party in power.

Being a free nation, we have no right to decide that another nation be free.

And?

therefore we should support them

ok peeps all I have to say is there is no frisken way America is going to fall! If america falls all other nations will fall right with us! except maybe Japan! Plus Bush is our president and we must repect him! Kerry lost, so what! I trust Bush! :cool: Its all good

This is like the 9th post in 2 days about America.

Do you guys seriously have nothing better to do.

Face the facts:

1. America is stronger militarily
2. America is the most technologically advanced country
3. America's economy is stronger than any other stand alone nation
4. Bush was re-elected and nothing any of you liberals or Europeans say, can change that

So please, let's stop wasting our time with these annoying posts.

BTW Right-Wing America: Our main ally against the war on Terror is Israel so quite frankly, they share much of our conservative opinions on war.

This is like the 9th post in 2 days about America.

Do you guys seriously have nothing better to do.

Face the facts:

1. America is stronger militarily
2. America is the most technologically advanced country
3. America's economy is stronger than any other stand alone nation
4. Bush was re-elected and nothing any of you liberals or Europeans say, can change that

So please, let's stop wasting our time with these annoying posts.

BTW Right-Wing America: Our main ally against the war on Terror is Israel so quite frankly, they share much of our conservative opinions on war.


This so called war on "terror" would never even occur if America didnt side with israel.....

The war on terror would have never occured if Bush wasn't president.

So instead of whining and bitching about Bush, let's respect him for that.

I say support the Libertarian party! Hooray Libertarians!

Libertarians (I assume that's what Mr. Right Wing is getting at), simply put, will never have a shot in American politics. Neither will the green party or any other third party. A few offices, very few, may be gained, but only by former pro athletes or other media celebrities (I know there have been others, but this is just in general), and this is only when the younger and more easily influenced voters get off their asses and vote for the person whose name they recognize.

The war on terror would have never occured if Bush wasn't president.

So instead of whining and bitching about Bush, let's respect him for that.

I once got in a fist fight with horror, nobody respects me for that.

I say support the Libertarian party! Hooray Libertarians!

Exactly :) , Americans who are affiliated with the political right-wing should support other right-wing parites such as the libertarian party which doesnt want America to be israels money whore.

Decades ago the (current) Israelies had that land given to them because they're grandparents were forced out of theirs by Nazi germany, the Jews have put up with enough, they don't need some ignorant foriegner telling them what they've a right to or otherwise. They fight for their land and fight for it valiently, they've developed one of the finest fighting forces in the world to defend their homeland. And in an area that would without question turn a blind eye to another holocaust they've earned it on a level no other people can understand. Its fucking theirs now, get used to it.

As for terrorism, the reasoning is true but we helped the Israelies get their promised land back and I for one don't want to see it lost to the non-believers(not Jewish).

The war on terror would have never occured if Bush wasn't president.

So instead of whining and bitching about Bush, let's respect him for that.


~sneezing~ Bullsh!t!

Excuse me. Anybody, other than Gandhi, would have went after bin laden. Couldn't avoid it if they wanted to. we wouldn't have gone into Iraq though. and that would have been for the better.

This so called war on "terror" would never even occur if America didnt side with israel.....


why shouldnt we side with israel? they were the only democratic country in the region, and any sane person would agree, democracy is better than autocracies, correct?

This is like the 9th post in 2 days about America.

Do you guys seriously have nothing better to do.

Face the facts:

1. America is stronger militarily
2. America is the most technologically advanced country
3. America's economy is stronger than any other stand alone nation
4. Bush was re-elected and nothing any of you liberals or Europeans say, can change that

So please, let's stop wasting our time with these annoying posts.

BTW Right-Wing America: Our main ally against the war on Terror is Israel so quite frankly, they share much of our conservative opinions on war.


Actually ISRAEL has some of the best medical and laser technology on the planet..

And for all we know, OBL's main reason for attacking America could have been Bush's election into office. Even though everyone would speculate what I'm saying, its common knowledge that OBL hates Bush. I'm not saying this is definate or anything, just letting loose of an idea.

Decades ago the (current) Israelies had that land given to them because they're grandparents were forced out of theirs by Nazi germany, the Jews have put up with enough, they don't need some ignorant foriegner telling them what they've a right to or otherwise. They fight for their land and fight for it valiently, they've developed one of the finest fighting forces in the world to defend their homeland. And in an area that would without question turn a blind eye to another holocaust they've earned it on a level no other people can understand. Its fucking theirs now, get used to it.

As for terrorism, the reasoning is true but we helped the Israelies get their promised land back and I for one don't want to see it lost to the non-believers(not Jewish).

Israel wouldnt last 5 years without America's money.

and why shouldnt we give it to them? would you rather have another facist dictatorship like the saddam regime rise up there instead?

No kidding America has problems, but it's still the best! I hate the two party system, it's about chosing the lesser of two evils and I don't think that will ever change.

Israel wouldnt last 5 years without America's money.

And thats why we're seeing them through.

and why shouldnt we give it to them? would you rather have another facist dictatorship like the saddam regime rise up there instead?

At least we wouldnt be funding this dictatorship and using the money instead to increase the American standard of living, giving tax cuts, improving our medicare and social security system etc....

ok we help Isreal. the old Palestinian homeland was in Jordan, if i remember correctly. Britain led the way after WWII to establish Isreal.

Bin laden also doesn't like our alliance with the Saudi arabia, whence he comes and opposes the Royal family there.

He also doesn't like muslims eating in mcdonalds, watching MTV, and wanting a new pair of Levis. but he can't keep them from buying satelite dishes.

The current Republican party is simply put GARBAGE. They give all right-wingers a bad reputation. Any true right-winger should definately NOT support the Republican party and instead strive to put a new and reformed right-wing political party in power.

are u for a more right or left republican party

As for terrorism, the reasoning is true but we helped the Israelies get their promised land back and I for one don't want to see it lost to the non-believers(not Jewish).

Explain to someone who doesn't believe in God, or someone who follows allah just who promised this land to Israel? Other than our lord and savior America?

No kidding America has problems, but it's still the best! I hate the two party system, it's about chosing the lesser of two evils and I don't think that will ever change.


Not if you keep voting for the same 2 parties. Ever try the Green Party. the Reform party? what ever party.

ok we help Isreal. the old Palestinian homeland was in Jordan, if i remember correctly. Britain led the way after WWII to establish Isreal.

Bin laden also doesn't like our alliance with the Saudi arabia, whence he comes and opposes the Royal family there.

He also doesn't like muslims eating in mcdonalds, watching MTV, and wanting a new pair of Levis. but he can't keep them from buying satelite dishes.

Old palastine included both isreal and parts of jordan.
By the way britain in no way helped israel become a nation. They heavily supported the Arab population because of oil interests. When the British left they ceded almost all their military installations to the Arabs.

At least we wouldnt be funding this dictatorship and using the money instead to increase the American standard of living, giving tax cuts, improving our medicare and social security system etc....


Actually, our defense sector does quite nicely SELLInG weapons to Isreal

go israel :gundge: :mp5:

Old palastine included both isreal and parts of jordan.
By the way britain in no way helped israel become a nation. They heavily supported the Arab population because of oil interests. When the British left they ceded almost all their military installations to the Arabs.

do you even know what your talking about? it was britians idea in the first place to help establish the Israeli state.

Are you kidding me dude? We got attacked by Osama Bin Laden because Bush got re-elected? It's idiots like you, who make liberals look completely misinformed.

Under Clintons presidency we suffered a bit more than 6 terrorist attacks INCLUDING THE FIRST WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMBING. What did we do? NOTHING. We said thank you to the terrorists and welcomed another attack.


As for America selling defencive weapons to Israel. You're an idiot. Israel building 90% of their weapons, tanks, and other equipment. The only thing we buy is 5.56 NATO ammunition.

are u for a more right or left republican party

I am a right-winger who truly wants a right-wing political party to improve the lives of the American lower, middle, and high class(and not the current israeli loving hiarchy which doesnt give two shits about the american people) I feel that ANY political party has a duty to improve the lives of their OWN nation and govern with the best interests of THEIR people. So in short I am affiliated with a far right-wing ideology that holds several socialist views as well(which brings the best of the two political spectrums together which in turn benefits everyone in America and not just one class)

Old palastine included both isreal and parts of jordan.
By the way britain in no way helped israel become a nation. They heavily supported the Arab population because of oil interests. When the British left they ceded almost all their military installations to the Arabs.

are you certain? perhaps i was misinformed.

Half the wackos think the US is controlled by Israel, the other half believe the Saudis are behind everything. Which is it?

Realize that both of our main political parties(democrats and republicans) that say they govern with the best intentions of our people are in reality governing with the best intentions for their wallets and foreign countries! Take this into account: both political parties state that they completely agree with the israelis in the israeli/palastinian conflict and both plan to contiinue to support this zionist regime meaning that no matter what side wins in the election our tax dollers will be flushed down the toilet going to aid these zionists who believe their gods "chosen" and as a result they think it gives them the right to occupy foreign territory and claim it as their own. What Americans also need to know is that the islamic fundamentalists dont hate America for its freedom or way of life, islamic fundamentalists hate America simply because America blindly supports israel meaning that if we stoped funding the zionists then we wouldnt have such a problem(and war) with the middle east. Its time Americans start getting involved in supporting and funding other American political parties that TRULY represent the American people. With much reformation it would even be possible to put other political parties into our senate and congress that are arent israeli whores which would make America a real democracy instead of a two-party dictatorship that kneels before its israeli masters. However if we dont do this then with the way we are going now the American economy will collapse as a result of all the needless foreign aid it gives(which goes into the billions) and the standard of living in America will severely decrease. Americans! stop supporting political parties with foreign interests and start supporting political parties with YOUR interests. America for the Americans and not the israeli lobbyists!

the roots of islamic fundamentalism lie much deeper than just the israeli/palestinian conflict. it is attractive to just go for a single issue reason, but in reality the problem is much deeper.

the islamic resentment of the west is a long standing issue, and has existed for over a thousand years, attempts by islam to knock over western europe were routinely thwarted, the most recent being the strike against vienna a few hundred years ago when a combined german-austrian-polish force engaged the turkish force on the field and drove them back.

ever since then the western nations have had a lot more ease in the muslim sphere than ever before. during the 1800s british, german and french imperialism set the stage for a simmering resentment against the west. a resentment that came to a head when a western organizatin, the UN, created the state of israel. since that time islamic fundamentalism has blamed the west for all of the problems people in the islamic sphere face. the poverty that is rampant in the middle east, the humiliating defeats the US has handed the iraqi government twice in the last two decades are taken as insults to many arabs and members of the islamic sphere. israel has always been a sore spot, but it is just a catalyst to the long standing reaction.

Half the wackos think the US is controlled by Israel, the other half believe the Saudis are behind everything. Which is it?

israel no doubt.....

As for America selling defencive weapons to Israel. You're an idiot. Israel building 90% of their weapons, tanks, and other equipment. The only thing we buy is 5.56 NATO ammunition.[/QUOTE]

I was told by an Israeli, sometime in the past year, that Isreal just bought a bunch of planes from Us. Was he wrong?

Man, I'm getting off this forum.

It's been like 3 days straight where I had to argue with retards on the same topic, America. You anti-American and whining little girls need to just shut up and play this game. Better yet go get a job. Once again, your opinion no longer counts.

Israels is the only democratic nation in the area, but US support is not what they need, and with them refusing to let Arafat be buried in Jereuslem(sorry if i spelled it wrong) things cant get better for them.Israel is the only democracy in the area and yet, they kill innocent palestians every day, palestians kill innocent israels every day to. The US should have never gotten involved in that situation in the first place. Yes the Jews have had a hard time, but noone can say that the arabs havent either. In fact most of the palestians are immigrants and refugees from war-torn countries. They deserve rights not to have there homes destroyed by Israeli slodiers. So think about it what happens if the US pulls out is Israel kicks evrybodies butt and is the big power in the middle east until theyre shrinking population finally diminishes and they are over taken by Syria, Jordan, and Palestine

Israels is the only democratic nation in the area, but US support is not what they need, and with them refusing to let Arafat be buried in Jereuslem(sorry if i spelled it wrong) things cant get better for them.Israel is the only democracy in the area and yet, they kill innocent palestians every day, palestians kill innocent israels every day to. The US should have never gotten involved in that situation in the first place. Yes the Jews have had a hard time, but noone can say that the arabs havent either. In fact most of the palestians are immigrants and refugees from war-torn countries. They deserve rights not to have there homes destroyed by Israeli slodiers. So think about it what happens if the US pulls out is Israel kicks evrybodies butt and is the bug power in the middle east until theyre shrinking population finally diminishes and they are over taken by Syria, Jordan, and Palestine

And the middle east is taken over by its rightful owners....the arabic people.

I agree.

This is horrible.
First of all, no. A bad democracy is no better (allthough, perhaps not much worse either) than a theocrazy, dictatorship or whatever. Defendig US`s support of isreal by claiming its the only democratic country in the middle east just isn't good enough.

The US does support Isreal with very large amounts of money, some of wich they get back in exchange for armaments. In my view, this does not make anything better, since these armaments is used daily to terrorize the palestinian population. The way I see it, giving money and arms to a racist regime (which the current isreali regime undeniably is), is undefendable.

As to better uses for the money, i could name several, starting downpaying US debt to the UN or helping the growing poor population within the US to name a couple.

Also, Britain was among the first to propose giving the jewish people a land of theyre own, but turned on this issue because of BPs involvement in oil production in the country, and opposed the founding of the jewish isreal with arms.

Thats what im trying to say, but im nto sure if it came out right.

I am glad to see that there are many people who also see that the U.S giving ridiculous amounts of money to israel on an annual basis is a very negative thing indeed.

Half the wackos think the US is controlled by Israel, the other half believe the Saudis are behind everything. Which is it?
I'm just curious how the US got along before the creation of Isreal or the discovery of oil in Saudi Arabia?

Before anyone really gets into it with you....are you an anti-semite ?

Man, I'm getting off this forum.

It's been like 3 days straight where I had to argue with retards on the same topic, America. You anti-American and whining little girls need to just shut up and play this game. Better yet go get a job. Once again, your opinion no longer counts.

bit of a religious reference for you, here.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

mostly, we stayed home, made light bulbs and cars until somebody in europe needed our help in putting down the Germans.

Realize that both of our main political parties(democrats and republicans) that say they govern with the best intentions of our people are in reality governing with the best intentions for their wallets and foreign countries! Take this into account: both political parties state that they completely agree with the israelis in the israeli/palastinian conflict and both plan to contiinue to support this zionist regime meaning that no matter what side wins in the election our tax dollers will be flushed down the toilet going to aid these zionists who believe their gods "chosen" and as a result they think it gives them the right to occupy foreign territory and claim it as their own. What Americans also need to know is that the islamic fundamentalists dont hate America for its freedom or way of life, islamic fundamentalists hate America simply because America blindly supports israel meaning that if we stoped funding the zionists then we wouldnt have such a problem(and war) with the middle east. Its time Americans start getting involved in supporting and funding other American political parties that TRULY represent the American people. With much reformation it would even be possible to put other political parties into our senate and congress that are arent israeli whores which would make America a real democracy instead of a two-party dictatorship that kneels before its israeli masters. However if we dont do this then with the way we are going now the American economy will collapse as a result of all the needless foreign aid it gives(which goes into the billions) and the standard of living in America will severely decrease. Americans! stop supporting political parties with foreign interests and start supporting political parties with YOUR interests. America for the Americans and not the israeli lobbyists!


I think that Israil should be backed. If America isent, there are not many who are. when Israeil was declared a independant state it was giving the Jews a homeland. for thosands of years the Jews had no country to actually call there "Home". Its not like the Palistinians need the land in order for there relgion to continue to exsist. i mean, every country in the middle east has a strong muslim population. and how many other countries in the world are a known as a "Jewish" country other then Israel? None! Israel is the ONLY true home for the Jewish religion, and alot of people want to pushem out. well. if we do that. its just one more step towards destrying yet another culture on our earth that we seem to be so good at irraticating.

...in short I am affiliated with a far right-wing ideology that holds several socialist views as well(which brings the best of the two political spectrums together which in turn benefits everyone in America and not just one class)
Okay.. Gotta ask. What socialist views are those?

Support Israel!

I think that Israil should be backed. If America isent, there are not many who are. when Israeil was declared a independant state it was giving the Jews a homeland. for thosands of years the Jews had no country to actually call there "Home". Its not like the Palistinians need the land in order for there relgion to continue to exsist. i mean, every country in the middle east has a strong muslim population. and how many other countries in the world are a known as a "Jewish" country other then Israel? None! Israel is the ONLY true home for the Jewish religion, and alot of people want to pushem out. well. if we do that. its just one more step towards destrying yet another culture on our earth that we seem to be so good at irraticating.

dont you see we live in the 21st century, that we shouldnt base our decisions based on religon and biblical refrences. If the jews want to try to secure a religious homeland they shouldnt depend on our tax money to do it.

We should continue to support Israel, but we should not give them any weapons system not currently available to the world at large since they've been known to sell our technology to potential U.S. enemies.

well...its pretty useless campaigning against funding for isreal, as most of the rich businnesmen and ceo's in our country are jewish. all the powerful people, eg donald rumsfeld, etc are also jewish.

Isreal should be able to sustain itself, why do we have to drain billions of $ for their pockets? Our crippling healthcare can be beneffited from the lost money. first we should take care of our nation before looking at others.

As for the terrorism thing, jews were the ones who took the palestenians' land. They conqured jerusalem (belonging to palestenians), even though UN had disallowed them for annihilating that region, which was supposed to belong to both israelies and palestenians. at that time palestenians has lost 10% of their land. Now they are fighting for 7% of their land.

What are the isrealies doing now? killing and slaughtering the palestenians with no worries as our president watches calmly. What kind of an idiot would call palestenians "terrorists." wouldn't you fight against an agressor who has taken away most of your land form you?

The root of the problem is israel. We have, in collaboration with isreal, gone up in some sort of hostile position against the muslim world. I did not really give a damn about this, but all attacks on US soil and extreme hatred against us is the terrible consequence of the foolish behavior our politicians have shown. what have the muslims done? they did not hate us or anything before we went against them. look at al qaeda. We (the americans) created that organization. We trained bin laden. the purpose of that was to fight the soviets during the late 70's and 80's when they invaded afghanistan. their defeat in afghanistan was of great advantage to us because of their losses. during the time of the invasion, our politicains called the mujahideen (people belonging to al qaeda) brave and loyal and that they were our friends. now that the job is done, we can go and invade their land, because all of a sudden, they are "terrorists"

Isreal does cant do jack for us. they just satify their people with our foreign aid. they cant do much against terrorism if they set an example of being a terrorist nation themselves (except this time we support them). Spain has done more for us. Pakistan has done the most for us for the war against terrorism. they have lost their own soldiers fighting for the cause but still they havent given up just because bush has told them to persevere. yet we bombard them with sanctions and do less then we should for them. why? because they are mulims, of course.

Bottom line - isreal should learn to live on their own and our money can be better spent in our own country.

I do support isreal's existence. I also think the palestinians should rule themselves. I do not think Isreal should have put settlements in the west bank or gaza. that only asked for trouble.
I am amazed though that after the arabs attacked Isreal a number of times and got their butts handed to them, they say that isreal has to give back the land. It's like going to Vegas, losing your money and yelling 'Do Over!'

A palestinian state will happen. it would happen quicker if the used their resources to build a state instead of blowing up buses.

I think that Israil should be backed. If America isent, there are not many who are. when Israeil was declared a independant state it was giving the Jews a homeland. for thosands of years the Jews had no country to actually call there "Home". Its not like the Palistinians need the land in order for there relgion to continue to exsist. i mean, every country in the middle east has a strong muslim population. and how many other countries in the world are a known as a "Jewish" country other then Israel? None! Israel is the ONLY true home for the Jewish religion, and alot of people want to pushem out. well. if we do that. its just one more step towards destrying yet another culture on our earth that we seem to be so good at irraticating.
Well, I don't see anyone lining up to force people out of a country so the Native Americans can have their own Nation State. Reserves hardly count, because they more or less amount to ghettos (which the Jews were thrown into as well, if you remember). Anyway, why can't the Jews in Israel get along in a country where they aren't either the majority or in control? The Jews in North America manage well enough. What about the Mormons? Do the have their own country? The Sihks? The Jainists? (Misspelled... yeah) The Zoroastrians? Witches? Why don't they get their own countries? Maybe, just maybe, tolerance is better encouraged through coexistence, not segregation. And segregation is just what your logic of, "give them a country so they can be in the majority" amounts to.

I'm open to some logical arguments in favour of supporting Israel, but that argument simply isn't logical.

I think that Israil should be backed. If America isent, there are not many who are. when Israeil was declared a independant state it was giving the Jews a homeland. for thosands of years the Jews had no country to actually call there "Home". Its not like the Palistinians need the land in order for there relgion to continue to exsist. i mean, every country in the middle east has a strong muslim population. and how many other countries in the world are a known as a "Jewish" country other then Israel? None! Israel is the ONLY true home for the Jewish religion, and alot of people want to pushem out. well. if we do that. its just one more step towards destrying yet another culture on our earth that we seem to be so good at irraticating.

This isnt about the jews having a homeland, its about stealing the land and property of someone else to give it to them. Its not about religion either, if anything its about ethnicity. Its no comfort to an arab family that most of the surrounding countries share they're religion, when occupiers steal they're farm and both the're houses and telle them to live in a refugee camp in Gaza, one of the most densly populated areas on earth. Its not much of a comfort either, when a swedish student of palestinian decent misses three weeks of important studies and more than 8 000$ (in airfare and hotel bills) because the jewish authoroties closes every exit to Gaza when he visits his family.

Its the horrible atrocoties commited to the palestinian population that concernes me, and the fact that perhaps even worse atrocoties has been committed towards jews in the past does not come close to excuse this.

Another point: Why do the jews need a homeland? Why arent the US, France, or any other country where large jewish populations exist good enough?

Libertarians? Pshh.

The Consitution Party is where it is.

Arafat shouldn't have rejected that offer where Palestine would have recieved 97% of the West Bank to form their own nation.

I'm guessing that there seemed to be good reasons to create Isreal 50+ years ago after WWII. It's a long time done. do yo you wish to re-invent the wheel or try to fix the one broken?

Libertarians? Pshh.

The Consitution Party is where it is.

Arafat shouldn't have rejected that offer where Palestine would have recieved 97% of the West Bank to form their own nation.

It doesnt matter what other political party you voice for, the thing that matters is that it is your duty to actively support your alternate political views and let people choose partys that accurately represent them instead of "picking the lesser of two evils"

holy hell, bucko! Right-wing America, it seems that u got some kinda "I-hate-jews" complex going on. I'm actually kinda surprised that you would pick the topic of Israel to bash your politicians to death with. Trust me buddy, you got much bigger things wrong with your politicians. The economy of the US isn't incredibly low (and trust me your economy is doing quite badly) because of Israel! the support (in $) that the US gives israel is a mere smattering of coins when it comes to other things that the government is wasting tax money on. The government wastes money in the trillions so israel is nothing in comparison It seems that you believe that all the US's problems can be traced back to Israel; Jesus, thats a narrow and stupid viewpoint!

Given that Israeli operations against Palestinians are military in nature and any innocent deaths are purely accidental usually as collateral damage from attacks on terrorists, and given that any palestianian operation in Israel generally involves a sucide bomber attacking purely civilian targets i do not see how we can support the Palestinians over the Israelis.

holy hell, bucko! Right-wing America, it seems that u got some kinda "I-hate-jews" complex going on. I'm actually kinda surprised that you would pick the topic of Israel to bash your politicians to death with. Trust me buddy, you got much bigger things wrong with your politicians. The economy of the US isn't incredibly low (and trust me your economy is doing quite badly) because of Israel! the support (in $) that the US gives israel is a mere smattering of coins when it comes to other things that the government is wasting tax money on. The government wastes money in the trillions so israel is nothing in comparison It seems that you believe that all the US's problems can be traced back to Israel; Jesus, thats a narrow and stupid viewpoint!

Even you know what you just posted was wrong since you didnt even care to state any specific examples on what else America is giving so much money to without any justification.

Being a free nation, we have no right to decide that another nation be free.

Yes we do. Especially when they are a threat to us and those around them.

Mainly against military targets, where do you get your information?They have destroyed tons of palestian houses, and killed many palestians my age(14) who where doing 'suspicious' things. Now explain 'collateral' damage, and all those military weapons arnet as prcise as you might think.

Realize that both of our main political parties(democrats and republicans) that say they govern with the best intentions of our people are in reality governing with the best intentions for their wallets and foreign countries! Take this into account: both political parties state that they completely agree with the israelis in the israeli/palastinian conflict and both plan to contiinue to support this zionist regime meaning that no matter what side wins in the election our tax dollers will be flushed down the toilet going to aid these zionists who believe their gods "chosen" and as a result they think it gives them the right to occupy foreign territory and claim it as their own. What Americans also need to know is that the islamic fundamentalists dont hate America for its freedom or way of life, islamic fundamentalists hate America simply because America blindly supports israel meaning that if we stoped funding the zionists then we wouldnt have such a problem(and war) with the middle east. Its time Americans start getting involved in supporting and funding other American political parties that TRULY represent the American people. With much reformation it would even be possible to put other political parties into our senate and congress that are arent israeli whores which would make America a real democracy instead of a two-party dictatorship that kneels before its israeli masters. However if we dont do this then with the way we are going now the American economy will collapse as a result of all the needless foreign aid it gives(which goes into the billions) and the standard of living in America will severely decrease. Americans! stop supporting political parties with foreign interests and start supporting political parties with YOUR interests. America for the Americans and not the israeli lobbyists!
Methinks I detect a member of the Aryan Nation or somesuch nonsense. "parties into our senate and congress that arent israeli whores", indeed!

Israel wouldnt last 5 years without America's money.
It would be tough, but hardly impossible. Israel is the only nuclear country in the region. Every single person in the country goes thru 2 years of compulsory military service. Economically, because they are capitalist, and democratic, they are far better off than any other country in the region. Instead of the Arab countries attacking them for it, they could emulate it.

Methinks I detect a member of the Aryan Nation or somesuch nonsense. "parties into our senate and congress that arent israeli whores", indeed!

Typical tactic of an israeli sympathyzer(relating someone with some thing that has to do with Nazi Germany or the halocaust so that people will automaticlly feel sorry for the zionists and go against a good man with America's interests in mind instead of israels....)

Typical tactic of an israeli sympathyzer(relating someone with some thing that has to do with Nazi Germany or the halocaust so that people will automaticlly feel sorry for the zionists and go against a good man with America's interests in mind instead of israels....)
You can disagree with the US support of Israel without resorting to name-calling, and placing the blame for all USA's problems at Jewish feet.

Harsh. But the Israelis seem to have it all too easy to forget a single thing: having been oppressed does NOT give you the right to oppress others. And that is exactly what they have been doing with the Palestinians. No, I'm not talking about the terrorist factions within their communities, I'm talking about the hundreds, if not thousands, of innocent civilians who get caught in the middle. No body has said it yet so I'll be the first: Israel's recent actions remind me of how they, and the people of eastern Europe and Russia, were treated by the Nazis in World War 2. Only this time they are on the giving, rather than the receiving, end.

The current Republican party is simply put GARBAGE. They give all right-wingers a bad reputation. Any true right-winger should definately NOT support the Republican party and instead strive to put a new and reformed right-wing political party in power.
I'm with you. Where do we start?

Decades ago the (current) Israelies had that land given to them because they're grandparents were forced out of theirs by Nazi germany, the Jews have put up with enough, they don't need some ignorant foriegner telling them what they've a right to or otherwise. They fight for their land and fight for it valiently, they've developed one of the finest fighting forces in the world to defend their homeland. And in an area that would without question turn a blind eye to another holocaust they've earned it on a level no other people can understand. Its fucking theirs now, get used to it.

As for terrorism, the reasoning is true but we helped the Israelies get their promised land back and I for one don't want to see it lost to the non-believers(not Jewish).
Hey, I hate to smack you in the face with a little bit of historical fact, but please understand that the Jews were "given back their land" before the Nazi Party was heard of much outside of, well ... Germany. It happened after the First World War, in which the Ottoman Empire, having sided with Germany, lost. Go back to school and/or get yourself a different history book.

ok we help Isreal. the old Palestinian homeland was in Jordan, if i remember correctly. Britain led the way after WWII to establish Isreal.
If by "remembering correctly" and "leading the way" you mean that Britian bailed (after WWII) out of their mandate given by the League of Nations (after WWI) to secure a Jewish Homeland (sound familiar kids?), then yes.

Reply to the Original Post...of course.


Sometimes...someone..will figure out part of the story and write a book..and sell it. That makes one person rich and ignorant and a whole slew of poor ignorant people because they paid for the book.

Some people stand up for what is right and good, worthy and true. Others will only stand because they have been given the skeletal and muscular function to do so. And then some people who can't adhere to the latter wonder why those people waste such a gift.

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That name. I get it now. Vonnegut. Sweet.
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I think some of us need to have our skulls gnawed on by the Knowledge Monster.

Even though I might be the only one still posting on this thread, I'm gonna throw this out:
Why is it that anytime someone simply questions the unparalled monetary support the US gives to Israel, they are immediately deemed an anti-Semitic hater? Seriously, what is up with that?

Interesting thread, anyhow.

First off, yeah, the left needs one too. A good left third party that actually is left.

Second, did Qatar fall into the ocean? Perhaps there was a revolution, and it isn't democratic anymore? I never heard of such a thing taking place. Perhaps, just perhaps, they aren't getting any positive press in the U.S. because they're the only middle-east country with a news station that can compete with the American sponsored middle-east news stations. (I'm talking of course about Al-jazeera... though I'm not sure if that's the correct spelling). And what about Iran? Last I heard (three of four years ago) they had some sort of parlaiment or somesuch.

Third, when in Hel's name did Isreal and Jewish become synonyms? Isrealis unfortunately have a very poor selection of political parties, and they basically have been left with a choice of which oppressor to vote for. Wait, wasn't that Right-wing's complaint about the U.S.? Why, so it was! Honestly, I'd hate being stuck with parties like the Likud and the Labour party (and whatever ones I can't remember right now). And why does every religion need it's own state? My religion doesn't have it's own state. Heck, it isn't even a very good organized religion (Atheism). Heck, it's barely even a religion at all!

And fourth thing, to those few on this thread who have tried just to lord U.S. superiority over the rest of us, screw off! You don't have the best technology (Finland) and in the last two years your military has just been surpassed (China). Your previous trading partners... who you've been alienating with punitive trade policies, have been becoming increasingly self-sufficient. You're dangerously close to having dear old Kofi laugh you out of the U.N. (whose members finally seem to be realizing that the billions of dollars you promised to the organization are never going to come) and world opinion is swinging against you as you arrogantly try to pretend that you can rule the world without the input of its populace just because you 'know better' or some such self-deluding crap.

That's all I can think of to rant about for now.

Note: that fourth point is only for the Americans who seem so convinced in their own superiority that if any of the world thinks differently then that peice of the world can go shove it. None of that applies to Americans who don't think like this.

I'm with you. Where do we start?

You have a duty as a right winger to either: Start a new right-wing political party, join a new right-wing political party or, actively support other existing right-wing parties such as the Libertarian party.