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How can you repbulicans support the war on terror, but you don't want to pay any taxes to support our troops? To give them the weapons they need?

Think about it for a minute, you support a war you don't want to pay for, and you aren't going to send your children overseas. You're hypocrits, plain and simple.

Bush wants to fund the iraqi war(thats why he requested 87 billion dollers from congress remember?) And anyone in washington D.C isnt going to send their kids to war(whether or not they are republican or democrat) you must remember the rich never go to war because of their high social status and large sum of money(regardless of their political affiliation) most soldiers in the American Army say that they are republicans and support Bush so republicans are fighting in this war.

its Bushenomics starting a multi million dollar war, and giving people tax cuts at the same time....

Bush wants to fund the iraqi war(thats why he requested 87 billion dollers from congress remember?) And anyone in washington D.C isnt going to send their kids to war(whether or not they are republican or democrat) you must remember the rich never go to war because of their high social status and large sum of money(regardless of their political affiliation) most soldiers in the American Army say that they are republicans and support Bush so republicans are fighting in this war.

I was actually refering to middle class repbulicans too. The soildiers for the most part come from improveshed families and they are brain-washed in the millitary to hold conservative values.

An old vietnam vet told me all this. I don't know how true it is.

An old vietnam vet told me all this. I don't know how true it is.

Was his name, John Kerry - lol - Sorry man I'm only joking. :D

The guy actually served in Vietnam and in the gulf war. He's an alcholic but he's a good guy.

I was actually refering to middle class repbulicans too. The soildiers for the most part come from improveshed families and they are brain-washed in the millitary to hold conservative values.

An old vietnam vet told me all this. I don't know how true it is.

Not very.

No repbulicans have answered to the post. Becuase they know they can't argue it.

It's amazing, all of the little conservatives can't answer the question.

Losers!

It's amazing, all of the little conservatives can't answer the question.

Losers!

Don't you understand. To pay for the war we are borrowing the money from the chinese. Later on we are going to devalue the dollar so we don't really have to pay it back, (or not a s much). This will also wreck the chinese economy and damage their export market.

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Don't you understand. To pay for the war we are borrowing the money from the chinese. Later on we are going to devalue the dollar so we don't really have to pay it back, (or not a s much). This will also wreck the chinese economy and damage their export market.

USA USA USA USA USA :) :) :) :) :) :)

Well the Chinese currency is pegged to the dollar-- so I don't think your little scheme will work. Its is almost a good plan aside from that.

SInce no one else has yet, (I just saw it, and to tell you the truth I rarely read "to Republican" threads as they are just flamebait, so a good choice by not titling the thread "One Last Question of Republicans"), I supose it is incumbinent on me to answer. First we don't universally suport the war on Iraq, or oppose higher taxes, but I will repond for the Republican party as a group.

We don't.

The GOP has no objection to taxes to support the military and doesn't supprt any policy which is seen as reducing military effectiveness. We do object to taxes for a variety of things (as individuals, as a party this is currently up in the air), but the military is not one of them. The difficulty is that there are many different views on what is needed and how to provide what is needed, and judgement calls must be made on how to allocate the income provided by a reasonable level of taxation much depleted by frivolous expeenditures forced upon us as well as the non-monetary political capital expeded in taking the actions necessary to provide the resources needed by the military.

There are two examples that show how these judgment calls are made (and not all of the party agrees with the judgemnts at the time). KBR (Halliburton in the press) recieved a no-bid contract to supply the military with food, housingm, water fuel and a variety of things essential to the military because quite simply the military cannot function without these things and they have to have them even if they could be found at lower prices by shopping around and waiting for them to go on sale - the military would have starved if the competative bid proess had been used. Body armour of the most modern style was not deemed so essential that it had to be provided regardless of the cost, so it is being distributed via the normal military procurement processm with a fairly hefty chunk of extra cash added to speed it up, to the change from the older style body to the moderately more effective new style. As for political capital, well we know that no one has complained about the granting of the KBR contract, so no political capital was expended by that, but if body armour were to be treated like food, water and fuel as being essential to the military, the I suspect there might be claims of croney capitalism and even charges of corruption, an expendature of political capital which has been judged to not be worth the cost.

Well the Chinese currency is pegged to the dollar-- so I don't think your little scheme will work. Its is almost a good plan aside from that.

They peg it to the dollar by buying our government debt securities. (This is true, they are the second largest holder of t-bills after japan). Buying these instruments closes the current account deficit with china and keeps the YUAN artificially low.

As the rest of the world is now "short" on the dollar the chinese "pegging" scheme is bound to implode soon.

Come on repbulicans, defend your stupid ideology

Come on repbulicans, defend your stupid ideology

I love paying my taxes when it is spent on important things such as the military. National Defense should be one of only a few things to be federally funded, as it is the governments duty to protect the nation. I'm as middle class as they come and my son is joining the USMC when he graduates. I don't like my taxes spent on things that shouldn't be federally funded: NEA, Federal Education spending (should be a state issue), excessive Welfare and medicare payouts, total Federal Funded SS, and huge Foreign Aid deals. Trim the fat from the federal piggy bank, and spend whatever it takes on the military.

Defend your stupid ideology!

Hey quiz kid, it's not repbulicans, it's republicans!

Come on repbulicans, defend your stupid ideology

Since the tax cuts jump started our economy the government has collected MORE in taxes due to the increase in spending and investing. If you want to see stupid ideology, look at Carter. The "wealthy" were paying a 90% tax rate, unemployment was staggering, "homeless" became a word in the dictionary, and Carter called it a great "malaise". It took a Republican to pull this country out of an implosion.

Lower taxes leads to more self confidence, more spending, more growth, and therefore, through increased commerce, more in actual tax cash flow.

You know what else bugs me about these threads about not spending enough on the troops and their not having body armor? Does anyone remember (think real hard...its been almost a year and a half ago) that our troops were jumping in and out of bio and chemical hazard suits? The general consenus was that it would be a chemical war, not a shoot-out. For that matter, hardly any shots were fired in the march to Baghdad.

Come on repbulicans, defend your stupid ideology

I explained it all, can't you read? I bet you spend all day listening to Rush Limbaugh.

I is old news. It has been explained here and in other forums. There is ample information online aobut it as well.

If you need a hint then it is this - Why do banks do more loans when interest rates are low?

If you can't get it after that then you are not likely to get it at all.

They peg it to the dollar by buying our government debt securities. (This is true, they are the second largest holder of t-bills after japan). Buying these instruments closes the current account deficit with china and keeps the YUAN artificially low.

As the rest of the world is now "short" on the dollar the chinese "pegging" scheme is bound to implode soon.

Hmm.. perhaps I stand corrected. So are you saying a massive devaluation of the Dollar will be good for the United States? Are you saying that all we have to do to solve the external debt is go through a period of hyper inflation? Won't that casue more problems than it would fix? Didn't the chinese economy do well when the Yuan was artificially high? I am not attacking your position, I would just like to know this would work.

C'mon elephant fuckers

against giving the troops
the weapons.

Senator Kerry praised The first Bush
for building a good strong coalition
against Iraq in the first war
and voted against that coalition
while critizeing the second Bush
for building a week coalition
in my view that is a flip flop.

Hmm.. perhaps I stand corrected. So are you saying a massive devaluation of the Dollar will be good for the United States? Are you saying that all we have to do to solve the external debt is go through a period of hyper inflation? Won't that casue more problems than it would fix? Didn't the chinese economy do well when the Yuan was artificially high? I am not attacking your position, I would just like to know this would work.

Yes. I am. It's called shock therapy. The US dollar should stand where it sould and the government should stop fiddling with it.

And to those governments outside the US that do, go take a look at argentina. There is absoultley no reason why the US consumer should have a govenrment subsidized BMW.

Notice the sudden shift from a question to the Republicans to almost new topic of Kerry (if it is continued). It is a standard of the elephants to do this. It was always been that way... shifting a topic onto another to survive sound correct. In a way I'm glad the Democrats lost for 3 reasons...
1) Anything that happens to America will be the Republicans fault since they have been in for 4 years already and have no excuse.
2) There will obviously be a shift of power to the Democratic party in the near future.
3) Having a great share of the votes but not wining shows how less deceiving the party is to their followers because everyone knows politicians lie.

against giving the troops
the weapons.

Senator Kerry praised The first Bush
for building a good strong coalition
against Iraq in the first war
and voted against that coalition
while critizeing the second Bush
for building a week coalition
in my view that is a flip flop.


What the fuck does that have to do with the topic?

Social security is not federally funded. You and I pay for that. check your paystub under "FICA". I would agree that it is federally mismanaged, the surplus having been raided in the late 60's.
I guess you would be against Bush's 1 piece of domestic policy, No child left behind.
Medicare? let's see. seniors have no 'Group' to get decent health insurance through. a decent health plan in a group would run them around $250/per month per person, and that might be low now. With the supplement necessary for hospital stays, Seniors now pay about $130/ per month for medicare.....with almost no drug coverage. nd they also had that FICA line on their paystub.

How can you repbulicans support the war on terror, but you don't want to pay any taxes to support our troops? To give them the weapons they need?

Think about it for a minute, you support a war you don't want to pay for, and you aren't going to send your children overseas. You're hypocrits, plain and simple.
Well first off... noone wants to pay taxes. Secondly, you believe that
republicans don't have children over there fighting? What are you? 10?

None of the upper middle class reps.

Mainly poor minorities.

Would republicans, since they are now in power across the board, support the roll back of the Bush tax cuts to help offset the cost of the war? Would you support the roll back on just those earning over $200,000.

oh, and that 90% tax bracket went way back beyond Carter. i know it was there in the 1950's.

Reagan oversaw a booming economy. but coupled withthe tax cuts was the deregualtion of the Savings and ;loan associations. Suddenly, a ton of money was available for 'speculative investment' that wasn't before.
In the end, there were many half finished condos with no buyers and empty strip malls littering the land. all the keys ended up in the night depository of the S&L that lent the money, Granny's life savings was gone and it cost us $400 billion to bail them out; which is still part of our National debt.
Business cycles happen, tax cuts have little effect on them.

None of the upper middle class reps.

Mainly poor minorities.

Where do you get your information?

The majority of troops are white. It has always been this way.

"You sir are a fountain of misinformation!"

None of the upper middle class reps.

Mainly poor minorities.

Sergeant Brooks Johnson, the son of South Dakota Democratic Senator Tim Johnson, serves in the 101st Airborne Division and fought in Iraq in 2003. The son of California Republican Representative Duncan Hunter quit his job after September 11, and enlisted in the Marines; his artillery unit was deployed in the heart of insurgent territory in February 2004. Delaware Senator Joseph Biden's son Beau is on active duty. Seven members of Congress have been confirmed to have children in the military.

I didn't add this as evidence, but I wanted to refer
to where I think you're getting your disinformation.

There is a very good reason that republicans usually don't post in these forums. It is the same reason we don't often post on the DNC website: we get shouted down and insulted by far more people than we can respond to.

Every conservative I know would love to calmly discuss their views with *A* liberal, because eventually the liberal always sees that the conservative is correct eventually, not the reverse. If I recall correctly, the last conservative politician to switch to liberalism died of old age in the 1800s. Even the majority of the US population has rejected liberalism now. That wasn't true 50 years ago; it is a long-term change.

On the other hand, very few are willing to ignore the many insults of "stupid", "homophobic", "racist", "ignorant", "bigoted", "nazis", especially when they come from people who have no idea what they mean and have never met a real racist or nazi (hint: go to France to find them). If you don't believe me, just look at the previous posts here and in other political threads.

The majority of these taxes goes to Halliburton-- even though corruption and faked overtime has been exposed by the employees themselves. Thanks to republicans. And eductation should be a higher priority than a massive oil corporation and an illogical war.

Yes. I am. It's called shock therapy. The US dollar should stand where it sould and the government should stop fiddling with it.

And to those governments outside the US that do, go take a look at argentina. There is absoultley no reason why the US consumer should have a govenrment subsidized BMW.

Didn't they call the decade long economic collapse in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union "shock therapy?" Maybe this is the best for he country but I
I think the therapy might kill the patient. Here are the dangers posed by this I think.

1) IF we start having rapid inflation the banks are going to jack the interest rates through the roof which is going to hit the economy like a million pound gorilla.

2) Our trade balance might improve from a devalued currency in that foreign products will be much more expensive--the subsidized BMW's and all, but Americans are going to be pissed when the shit hits the fan and their standard of living goes splat.

3) IF we start having a rapid devalutation of the dollar, private lenders and foreign countries aren't stupid, they will just stop investing in the US financing our debut and we will be screwed.

The majority of these taxes goes to Halliburton-- even though corruption and faked overtime has been exposed by the employees themselves. Thanks to republicans. And eductation should be a higher priority than a massive oil corporation and an illogical war.

You do know that Halliburton is dealing with fixing the mess that has developed in Iraq right?(this company was also used to "fix" western Germany after WWII so you see this company has good experiance, anyone who says Halliburton was picked just because Dick Cheney was the vice president should go read a history book and find out why Halliburton was REALLY picked...)