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The Divided States: A Modest Proposal

Demented Hamsters
06-11-2004, 16:20
The Divided States: A Modest Proposal

By Gwynne Dyer

Looking at that extraordinary electoral map of the United States
with all the liberal, quiche-eating, Kerry-supporting states of the
north-east and the west coast coloured Democratic blue while the
"heartland" and the south were solid Republican red, the solution to the
problem suddenly occurred to me. "Blueland" should join Canada.

It is getting harder and harder for the two tribes of Americans to
understand or even tolerate each other. Once again, as in 2000, the
country is divided with almost mathematical precision into two halves, one
of which adores President George W. Bush while the other literally loathes
him. And it goes far deeper than mere personalities or even the old
left-right split; the clash now is about social norms and fundamental
values on which few are willing to compromise.

Opinions on the foreign issues that seemed to dominate the election
- the war in Iraq and the "war on terror" - just mapped onto that existing
cultural division. People who go to church regularly and oppose abortion
and gay marriage were also far more likely to believe that US troops had
found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein had
somehow sponsored the terrorists of 9/11, so they voted for Mr Bush.
People who don't, didn't.

"Irreconcilable" is the word that springs to mind. Two separate
populations have evolved in the United States, and they are increasingly
unhappy even about living together. One sub-species, homo canadiensis,
thinks medicare is a good idea, would rather send peace-keepers than
bombers, and longs for the wimpy, wispy liberalism enjoyed by their
Canadian neighbours to the north. The other breed, homo iraniensis,
prefers the full-blooded religious certainties and the militant political
slogans - "Death to...(fill in the blank)" - that play such a large and
fulfilling part in Iranian public life.

It is sheer cruelty to force these two populations to go on living
together, especially since US political life has lost its centre and now
pits these two irreconcilable opposites directly against each other in a
winner-takes-all election every four years. Since the pseudo-Iranians
slightly outnumber the proto-Canadians, the obvious solution is for the
latter group actually to go to Canada - and indeed, I have lost count of
the number of American friends who have told me that if George W. Bush wins
again, they are going to move to Canada.

There are problems with this solution, however. A mass migration
northwards would leave large chunks of the United States virtually empty,
and the parts of Canada where people can live in any comfort are pretty
full already. Besides, the winters up there really are fairly severe, and
I'm not sure that Californians would be up to it. And then, looking at the
two-colour map of the electoral outcome, the solution hit me. You don't
have to move the people; just move the border.

It would all join up just fine: the parts of the US inhabited by
homo canadiensis all lie along the Canadian border or next to other states
that do (although the blue bit dangles down a long, long way in the case of
the Washington-Oregon-California strip fondly known as the Left Coast).
True, the United States would lose its whole Pacific coast, but we could
probably arrange for an American free port in, say, Tijuana. And lots of
Canadians could move to a warmer clime without actually having to leave
their country.

At the global level, everybody else would be quite happy with a
bigger Canada and a smaller United States. That smaller US would have to
pull in its horns a bit, as it would no longer have the resources to
maintain military bases in every single country on the planet, but it would
retain enough resources to invade a country every year or so, so it
wouldn't suffer too badly from withdrawal symptoms. And the new Canadians
would be free to have abortions, enter into gay marriages, do stem-cell
research and engage in all other wickednesses that flourish in that bastion
of corrupt and Godless liberalism. They could even speak French, if they
wanted to.

No solution is perfect: there would be limp-wristed liberals
trapped in the United States and God-fearing rednecks who suddenly found
themselves in Canada, so some degree of population exchange would be
necessary. It's even possible that a few right-wing bits of Canada - parts
of Alberta, for example - might prefer to join the United States. But you
can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs, and think how happy
everybody will be when they are living exclusively among like-minded
people.

http://www.gwynnedyer.net/articles/Gwynne%20Dyer%20Article_%20%20The%20Divided%20States.txt
http://www.gwynnedyer.net/articles2004.htm

I guess it'd look a bit like this:
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/11/con04485.html
Stromera
06-11-2004, 16:30
I doubt that would actually happen!
Zooke
06-11-2004, 16:34
Here's a unique idea. How about we all learn to accept and appreciate our differences? If the popular opinion isn't the same as yours, then present your opinions in a detailed, analytical way and you may win enough over to make your opinion the most popular. I know it's a lot easier to proclaim that people with differing views are inferior, but the truth is they aren't. It just means they are different due numerous influences. To threaten to leave the US for another country just because you didn't get your way is like the kid who gets mad and stomps off with the football (and it's not even his football).
Kwangistar
06-11-2004, 16:35
I doubt that would actually happen!
You're right, as a Republican I can say we would never let this go through. It simply allows the liberals to poach to many Republicans from us by taking the whole state, instead of just the parts that voted Democrat. :p
Eutrusca
06-11-2004, 16:57
http://ParadigmAssociates.org/NorthAmerica2004.jpg
Even Newer Talgania
06-11-2004, 17:01
Here's a unique idea. How about we all learn to accept and appreciate our differences? If the popular opinion isn't the same as yours, then present your opinions in a detailed, analytical way and you may win enough over to make your opinion the most popular. I know it's a lot easier to proclaim that people with differing views are inferior, but the truth is they aren't. It just means they are different due numerous influences. To threaten to leave the US for another country just because you didn't get your way is like the kid who gets mad and stomps off with the football (and it's not even his football).

Here's an even more unique idea: How about liberals stop saying that only stupid, bigoted hayseeds voted for Bush. I'm perfectly capable of
"present[ing my] opinions in a detailed, analytical way", but what's the use when the other side responds that way, EVERY SINGLE TIME?
Zeppistan
06-11-2004, 17:49
Nice to see people like Gwynne can be so gracious in victory that they don't feel the need to resort to name calling.....



But hey, if she feels so strongly about it that she is willing to go this route, then she MUST be that sort of political brain that the Republican Party has dreamed of.... after all, giving away most of the states with the highest economic outputs in the Union, as well as all direct access to the Pacific seaports, would surely spell nothing but prosperity for the remaining section of the country.....

:rolleyes:
Jiggady
06-11-2004, 18:01
shessh, watch that happen, and then watch America's economy collapse
Siljhouettes
06-11-2004, 18:13
shessh, watch that happen, and then watch America's economy collapse
Economic issues don't matter to bible-thumpers. Some of the poorest counties of Kansas and other such places vote overwhelmingly for Bush because he's a Christian.

So even if the Jesusland economy did collapse, their religious/political leaders (probably the same people) would just stir up some religious fervour and nationalism.
Ryanania
06-11-2004, 18:16
Wow. That whole thing is really immature.
Santa- nita
07-11-2004, 04:55
If the red states leave their aint much
left of the country.
The Force Majeure
07-11-2004, 09:20
Most of the country is RED - even most of the new-enlgand states...it's just around the cities that aren't...
Sdaeriji
07-11-2004, 09:21
Most of the country is RED - even most of the new-enlgand states...it's just around the cities that aren't...

I feel compelled to point out that land mass is not an accurate portrayal of support for one political party or another.
Glinde Nessroe
07-11-2004, 09:26
Guys wasn't this thing reflective of "A modest proposal"? Quit whinging, it's satirical dumbasses. The original modest proposal was about eating children in Britain. This ones pretty subtle, and yes I know clearly a republican sided on with all her innuendo type slander, but nonetheless please be aware.
The Force Majeure
07-11-2004, 09:27
I feel compelled to point out that land mass is not an accurate portrayal of support for one political party or another.

Well...damn...how about pop vote?

My point was that the states are not divided on the lines of 'blue' and 'red'...
Waylon Jennings
07-11-2004, 09:28
Guys wasn't this thing reflective of "A modest proposal"? Quit whinging, it's satirical dumbasses.

So who are we eating?
Sdaeriji
07-11-2004, 09:29
Well...damn...how about pop vote?

My point was that the states are not divided on the lines of 'blue' and 'red'...

Well, then, I apologize. If your point is that the states are not defined so solidly, then I agree with you. I've just had to contend with the assertion that Bush somehow has this vast majority of support because of the amount of land area that he won.
SuqIt
07-11-2004, 09:29
Fine, just take the cities.

I am actually moving to canada, and it's not just because of this election. It's a long story that most of you don't really care about I'm sure, but yeah. Especially gays are leaving, and I can't say I blame them. (I live in Oregon, one of the 11 to ban gay marriage in our state constitutions, yay :rolleyes: )

Here's an article about Canada specifically bracing for the onslaught: http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/110404ImigCan.htm
The Force Majeure
07-11-2004, 09:32
[QUOTE=Sdaeriji]Well, then, I apologize. If your point is that the states are not defined so solidly, then I agree with you. I've just had to contend with the assertion that Bush somehow has this vast majority of support because of the amount of land area that he won.[/QUOT\

Yeah, that's all my point was...that the states are not that divided...but the urban-'burbs areas are.
Yammo
07-11-2004, 09:40
Singaporerian city-states anyone?
New Kiev
07-11-2004, 10:03
LOL. Jesus, I didn't it it was this bad.
Demented Hamsters
07-11-2004, 14:44
Guys wasn't this thing reflective of "A modest proposal"? Quit whinging, it's satirical dumbasses. The original modest proposal was about eating children in Britain. This ones pretty subtle, and yes I know clearly a republican sided on with all her innuendo type slander, but nonetheless please be aware.
Kinda sad that it took over a dozen posts b4 someone pointed it out that it was satire. Did not the bits about "liberal, quiche-eating, Kerry-supporting states" and "homo canadiensis...homo iraniensis" and "limp-wristed liberals
...God-fearing rednecks" etc etc give a hint that this was tongue-in-cheek?

Anyone else read Johnathon Swift?

BTW Gwynne Dyer is a man. A very good columnist too I might add. Extremely knowledgeable about Middle East politics and history.
Yaddah
07-11-2004, 15:58
I've posted this before here ... but you really may want to look at the county by county breakdown before you say "whole states" will break away ...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm
Jumbania
08-11-2004, 02:18
Satire or not, it couldn't work because the dem's big plan collapses without other people's money to give away.
Galliam
08-11-2004, 02:27
I'm all for a mass exodus, but it'd be more to one city, that would be called Christianland, where your faith isn't trivialized by people who are threatened by you.
MissDefied
08-11-2004, 02:54
Guys wasn't this thing reflective of "A modest proposal"? Quit whinging, it's satirical dumbasses. The original modest proposal was about eating children in Britain. This ones pretty subtle, and yes I know clearly a republican sided on with all her innuendo type slander, but nonetheless please be aware.
I got it. The title kinda jumps out at 'ya. I think it's just that Swift is a lot more convincing in the original.
Oh yeah, and much more funny as well.
Squashida
08-11-2004, 03:18
Wow, i'm glad to see so many people here think everything posted is serious debate.i'm pretty sure it was meant to ammuse my extremly righteous children. well I thought it was humorous anyway... -.-'
Puppet the Puppet
08-11-2004, 03:53
Hehehe...so, we're advocating that the flag burning, baby eating heathen liberals split off, eh?
Chodolo
08-11-2004, 04:03
Hehehe...so, we're advocating that the flag burning, baby eating heathen liberals split off, eh?
I don't eat babies.

I eat fetuses.

There is a difference you know.
Goed Twee
08-11-2004, 04:06
I don't eat babies.

I eat fetuses.

There is a difference you know.

Quite.

One goes better with BBQ sauce ;)