NationStates Jolt Archive

Now people we all have heard about who won the election, by points and people and we have also heard why Bush has been elected. Now I will tell you guys I am a liberal and a democrat as you will tell from this post. But I do have a little and I do me a little conservative in me.

As of a few days ago it became a true fact that Bush got elected not because of the issues like Jobs, Economy, Terror, or even Iraq, but he got elected just because of Moral Values. It is a proven fact that people who go to church regularly tend to vote republican and the ones who skip church or just don't believe in a invisible man tend to vote democrat. Good Moral values are generous, kind, helpful, not killing, not lying and the golden rule treat people as you would like to be treated. Those are good Moral Values. Now these people that go to church say they have good Moral Values too. They say good Moral Values are going to church, praying, believing in the bible (You have to think it all really took place) and that there is a god. So now they the church people think these are good Moral Values and they get stuff them down our throats each presidential election.

I think just because a person doesn't have faith in a god or does have faith in many gods doesn't mean he/she doesn't have good Moral Values. (Personally I don't believe in a god or gods) Not to mention you have to... just have to... believe in their god. I hope you didn't actually believe in your own god, you have to believe in their god. Most of these Christian Right Wing Nuts (CRWN) have guns, don't believe a man and man should get married or do the nasty, (although the male CRWN sure do like these lesbians especially the hot ones that do each other) pro life, believe religion should be more active in government, and that you shouldn't kill a baby as they say (which is actually all slime and doesn't even have the beginning of life there) to save not only one person's but maybe even millions of lives, which is of course stem cell research. To these people they have moral values. I am sure, if Jesus is actually the guy the bible says he is, then I think he wouldn't think of agreeing with these people.

I sure have notice that most of the CRWN people are in the states that were in the south during the civil war. Now most of these states still have the confederate flag in their state flag or on most of their people’s porches. Are they trying to tell us something here? Maybe they are telling us they are rebels and they don't want to be in the Union anymore. So hey why don't we just let them leave. I am sure all the blue states will be more then happy to let these states go. But if they form their own country (Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, N. Carolina and S. Carolina) it will flop and they would be begging to come back to the Union. That is because they really don't have a lot of people and they certainly don't have too much money either. The Blue states are frankly supporting their a$$es. It is the truth. Plus we the blue states are the states that have the most civilized, educated, groomed, and wealthy people in the whole country. Don't you think we should have more say in what is going to affect us then the people that can only get one or two good TV stations at best decide who is going to be our President!!! Now I am all for the red states to have their say and that we the people living in the blue states are no higher or lower then anybody else, but It does affect us a lot more on who is going to be the president then them.

And in the end and in my opinion, which this post actually really is, I think it is time we the people in blue states say to the people in the red states get some real morals and act like a civilized human beings or get the hell out, because you guys are just bringing us down with you. I don't want to be ridiculed by the rest of the world just because you guys can't get it straight. So I say to you please try to accept our ideas cause we have already tried to accept yours.

Wow, you are the most ignorant, bigotted, self-righteous person I've seen on this board. CONGRATULATIONS!

I'm guessing this is comming from a republican so I will be taking it as a compliment.

Wow, you are the most ignorant, bigotted, self-righteous person I've seen on this board. CONGRATULATIONS!

Arent you forgetting United White front?

The stuff you said about morals and god and that is intresting but I'm lost on the whole red state/blue state thing.

I think its funny that you label yourself a civilised human being after that post. What civilised human being has 'good' morals such as the ones you listed?

Learn to spell then I will reply to that.

Wow, you are the most ignorant, bigotted, self-righteous person I've seen on this board. CONGRATULATIONS!
He has a point. Apart from a couple on the west coast, almost all the states that voted Kerry were in the north-east and could, quite easily, support themselves if they decided to split from the union. While I don't agree there's anything 'wrong' with the states that voted Bush, the point that there seems to be a huge difference of opinion between two very defined areas of the country (look at the District of Columbia - Kerry won 81% of the vote while in Oklahoma he only got about 34% - I forget the exact amount).

The eastern side of the US seems to be the most split, with central and western states having much closer results, but the clearly-defined line is still there. The starter of the thread seems to think that there is something inherently wrong with southerners, which seems to be an annoying trait of many northerners - and I expect many southerners think there's something wrong with northerners too. The starter seems to think that the 'Blue' states should split off into their own seperate country and the 'Reds' would die, but here's another point - could the 'Blues' and 'Reds' split into two seperate countries, with Washington and maybe Austin, Texas as the capitals? Maybe that's what we should be discussing here - same idea, less bigotry.

Learn to spell then I will reply to that.

Learn to put across a good opinion and then I will spell.

By the way, nice grammar.

Moral Values: oppress the ungodly, don't lie about your sex life.

Immoral Values: don't lie to get us into a war, &/or to feed money to your corporate backers.



I choose to be immoral. :)

I have relatives in the south and also I have been there. Mississippi to be exact. I know there isn't a lot of people there and most of Mississippi is land that is not populated at all. Also the people I have met there do share most of the christian views as I have stated in my post and all of them do have guns.

I choose those immoral values that you stated too Druthulhu.

I have realtives in the south and also I have been there. Mississippi to be exact. I know there isn't a lot of people there and most of Mississippi is land that is not populated at all. Also the people I have met there do share most of the christian views as I have stated in my post and all of them do have guns.
What does them having guns have to do with anything? I want the re-legalisation of firearms here in the UK, but I'm not a christian, a bigot or in any way ineducated. Seems a strange thing to bring up.

Criticizing someone's spelling is not something a reasonable person would do. It makes you look like you would like to try to belittle others, rather than have a debate. Seems typical elitist to me.

Well in the south there you can find any man and ask him if he or if he knows a friend that owns a firearm. It will be most likely he will say yes. Also you can ask him if he goes to church regularly or if he knows a lot of people that do. He will most likely say yes.

I choose those immoral values that you stated too Druthulhu.

If you are female, attractive and single, may I interest you in a position as my sex slave? :D

P.S.: if Congress ever asks, you can demand that they define the word "is". ;)

I am not a woman.

Shucks.

Wow, you are the most ignorant, bigotted, self-righteous person I've seen on this board. CONGRATULATIONS!

hmm, no that must be you as the one of the CRWN, BTW you know that the average IQ of the Missisipi Republican voter is as low as 80? :eek: In the western world, this is seen as retard. But that is the problem with you CRWN, you are so dumb that you don't realise it anymore... :rolleyes:

Now people we all have heard about who won the election, by points and people and we have also heard why Bush has been elected. Now I will tell you guys I am a liberal and a democrat as you will tell from this post. But I do have a little and I do me a little conservative in me.

As of a few days ago it became a true fact that Bush got elected not because of the issues like Jobs, Economy, Terror, or even Iraq, but he got elected just because of Moral Values. It is a proven fact that people who go to church regularly tend to vote republican and the ones who skip church or just don't believe in a invisible man tend to vote democrat. Good Moral values are generous, kind, helpful, not killing, not lying and the golden rule treat people as you would like to be treated. Those are good Moral Values. Now these people that go to church say they have good Moral Values too. They say good Moral Values are going to church, praying, believing in the bible (You have to think it all really took place) and that there is a god. So now they the church people think these are good Moral Values and they get stuff them down our throats each presidential election.

Lord help me, where do I start? First of all, before you criticize other's spelling, take the time to preview your post and clean up any unfinished and edited sentences. It is sometimes a challenge to follow your train of thought. That said...

I, obviously, live in the south (25 years), though I was raised in the midwest. I'm married to a Cajun Vietnam vet and am a practicing Catholic. This background should qualify me to answer for southerners.

It's true that people of faith, not just Christians, tend to vote Republican (conservative). This is due to the idealology represented by the 2 main political parties. Moral values did carry some weight in this election. Both men professed deep faith, but only Bush actually demonstrated that he conducted his life based on his beliefs. Kerry admitted that he did not embrace his faith's core values as they applied to his life as a politician. Bush's stance was that he would uphold the law, but that we would not actively work to keep abortion laws in effect and that he would try to block other morally questionable laws such as embryonic stem cell research. Be clear on one point, it is only embryonic stem cell research that is up for debate. Interesting statistic: CA just passed massive funding for embryonic stem cell research as publically demanded by Nancy Reagan, Dana Reeves, and other wealthy folks. This is after they have had to close 13 hospitals that served primarily poverty level minorities due to budget restrictions. Funding for the rich proposed by the dems and signed off on by a rep governor?

As for other issues not being considered, this is absolutely false! Discussions around the water cooler at my office and at my church about international issues are much more frequent than moral issues. We have the full understanding that what affects one part of the country affects the entire country. We evaluated the general improvement in the economy, security, and employment and decided that Bush deserved the opportunity to finish the job he started.

Most of these Christian Right Wing Nuts (CRWN) have guns, don't believe a man and man should get married or do the nasty, (although the male CRWN sure do like these lesbians especially the hot ones that do each other) pro life, believe religion should be more active in government, and that you shouldn't kill a baby

CRWN...I dismiss this out of hand as the rantings of a LWN (left wing nut). You thing jib-jab is a serious political commentary don't you? Christians, Muslims, Jews, Budhists, most all faiths believe that sex should be reserved for married couples. Physicians who treat STD advocate this practice, also. Don't forget that the primary reason for sex is procreation. Lesbian action popular with Christian men.... :confused: source please or is this just something you dreamed up? Guns in non-urban areas (the red states) are fairly common because we hunt. Wild game is a delicious and heart healthy food source. {Here in Arkansas we have 3 deer seasons, bow, muzzle-loader, and rifle.} Guns come in pretty handy when confronting the wildlife with the poison glands and big teeth, too. Not something you have a problem with in the blue states as most of them have died off from auto emission and industiral emission poisoning.

Surveys show that the voters in the red states tend more towards pro-life, but not overwhelmingly so. Another interesting statistic: A large percentage of blacks are deeply religious and pro-life yet black women have abortions proportionally more often than white women. The belief isn't that religion should be more active in government, but that government should be less active in religion.

(Personally I don't believe in a god or gods) ... I am sure, if Jesus is actually the guy the bible says he is, then I think he wouldn't think of agreeing with these people.

By your own statement you are not qualified to make this deduction. The Bible is clear on the sanctity of life in the womb. How much of the Bible have you read?

I sure have notice that most of the CRWN people are in the states that were in the south during the civil war. Now most of these states still have the confederate flag in their state flag or on most of their people’s porches. Are they trying to tell us something here? Maybe they are telling us they are rebels and they don't want to be in the Union anymore. So hey why don't we just let them leave. I am sure all the blue states will be more then happy to let these states go. But if they form their own country (Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, N. Carolina and S. Carolina) it will flop and they would be begging to come back to the Union. That is because they really don't have a lot of people and they certainly don't have too much money either. The Blue states are frankly supporting their a$$es. It is the truth. Plus we the blue states are the states that have the most civilized, educated, groomed, and wealthy people in the whole country. Don't you think we should have more say in what is going to affect us then the people that can only get one or two good TV stations at best decide who is going to be our President!!! Now I am all for the red states to have their say and that we the people living in the blue states are no higher or lower then anybody else, but It does affect us a lot more on who is going to be the president then them.

You left out a few: Ohio, Indianna, Iowa, West Virginia, Kentucky, Florida, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Colorado, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Montanta, New Mexico, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, and Alaska. Who did I miss? Watch out what you wish for. These barbaric, unwashed, ignorant masses are the ones who provide most of the food you eat, the clothes you wear, the electronics you play with, the trucks that bring you the goods you consume, the planes you fly in, and need I point out that most of the domestic oil comes from these states? Hope you have a good relationship with the Arabs. As for wealth, in my state alone, we are blessed with the taxes from the Walton family (Walmart), JB Hunt, Axciom, and a whole load of Rockefellers...and that's just a short list. Looks like the different regions of the US support each other.

Please tell me where the confederate flag is incorporated in state flags? As for the confederate flag flying from porches, looking up and down my street I see a few US flags, a couple with Halloween motifs, one with a smiley face sun, Billy Bob has one with a fall theme....hmmm not a confederate flag anywhere!! I can't remember the last time I saw one on a pickup either. Maybe this is just another false stereotype? As for variety in TV viewing, did you know that we are able to receive satellite transmissions and that we even have cable TV? Love them new fangled in-ventions!! As for less population, this is true. We don't feel the need to have our neighbors within arm reach at all times. We have things like LAWNS measured in acres. It's a wonder we're not gagging on all this fresh air!!

And in the end and in my opinion, which this post actually really is, I think it is time we the people in blue states say to the people in the red states get some real morals and act like a civilized human beings or get the hell out, because you guys are just bringing us down with you. I don't want to be ridiculed by the rest of the world just because you guys can't get it straight. So I say to you please try to accept our ideas cause we have already tried to accept yours.

In other words, 'even though we are the minority, we demand that you do what we want or else get out'. I think the flawed thinking in that statement is evident. As for being criticized by the rest of the world, compare our economy, civil liberties, and quality of life with other nations, then tell me if they have some better handle on how to run a country? As for trying to accept ideas opposed to yours it is obvious from your post you haven't as you don't even credit them with having any validity.

hmm, no that must be you as the one of the CRWN, BTW you know that the average IQ of the Missisipi Republican voter is as low as 80? :eek: In the western world, this is seen as retard. But that is the problem with you CRWN, you are so dumb that you don't realise it anymore... :rolleyes:

I bet I know where you got this little piece of info. The IQ survey floating around on these boards was not accurate. I understand that it started out as some blogger's interpretation. :rolleyes:

I applaud you on that post Zooke, great way to shut up a liberal. In my thinking liberals are trying to cover up for their own candidate's faults. Yes moral issues played a big part in the election but comeon thats not the only thing. You fail to realize that your candidate coudn't hold a consistent position on any one thing for more than a day. And if it wasn't for the fact that the media covered for Kerry, Bush would have won by an even larger margin. Its been estimated that the media gave Kerry at least 15% of the vote. They never questioned Kerry nor took as seriously the charges against Kerry's military service as they did Bush's.

One thing I would like to emphasize from Zooke's post, if you want the red states to leave then I hope you have a pretty healthy supply of food, cause the red states pretty much produce it all.

I applaud you on that post Zooke, great way to shut up a liberal. In my thinking liberals are trying to cover up for their own candidate's faults. Yes moral issues played a big part in the election but comeon thats not the only thing. You fail to realize that your candidate coudn't hold a consistent position on any one thing for more than a day. And if it wasn't for the fact that the media covered for Kerry, Bush would have won by an even larger margin. Its been estimated that the media gave Kerry at least 15% of the vote. They never questioned Kerry nor took as seriously the charges against Kerry's military service as they did Bush's.

One thing I would like to emphasize from Zooke's post, if you want the red states to leave then I hope you have a pretty healthy supply of food, cause the red states pretty much produce it all.

Facts can be confusing to some. :confused:

Now people we all have heard about who won the election, by points and people and we have also heard why Bush has been elected. Now I will tell you guys I am a liberal and a democrat as you will tell from this post. But I do have a little and I do me a little conservative in me.

As of a few days ago it became a true fact that Bush got elected not because of the issues like Jobs, Economy, Terror, or even Iraq, but he got elected just because of Moral Values. It is a proven fact that people who go to church regularly tend to vote republican and the ones who skip church or just don't believe in a invisible man tend to vote democrat. Good Moral values are generous, kind, helpful, not killing, not lying and the golden rule treat people as you would like to be treated. Those are good Moral Values. Now these people that go to church say they have good Moral Values too. They say good Moral Values are going to church, praying, believing in the bible (You have to think it all really took place) and that there is a god. So now they the church people think these are good Moral Values and they get stuff them down our throats each presidential election.

I think just because a person doesn't have faith in a god or does have faith in many gods doesn't mean he/she doesn't have good Moral Values. (Personally I don't believe in a god or gods) Not to mention you have to... just have to... believe in their god. I hope you didn't actually believe in your own god, you have to believe in their god. Most of these Christian Right Wing Nuts (CRWN) have guns, don't believe a man and man should get married or do the nasty, (although the male CRWN sure do like these lesbians especially the hot ones that do each other) pro life, believe religion should be more active in government, and that you shouldn't kill a baby as they say (which is actually all slime and doesn't even have the beginning of life there) to save not only one person's but maybe even millions of lives, which is of course stem cell research. To these people they have moral values. I am sure, if Jesus is actually the guy the bible says he is, then I think he wouldn't think of agreeing with these people.

I sure have notice that most of the CRWN people are in the states that were in the south during the civil war. Now most of these states still have the confederate flag in their state flag or on most of their people’s porches. Are they trying to tell us something here? Maybe they are telling us they are rebels and they don't want to be in the Union anymore. So hey why don't we just let them leave. I am sure all the blue states will be more then happy to let these states go. But if they form their own country (Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, N. Carolina and S. Carolina) it will flop and they would be begging to come back to the Union. That is because they really don't have a lot of people and they certainly don't have too much money either. The Blue states are frankly supporting their a$$es. It is the truth. Plus we the blue states are the states that have the most civilized, educated, groomed, and wealthy people in the whole country. Don't you think we should have more say in what is going to affect us then the people that can only get one or two good TV stations at best decide who is going to be our President!!! Now I am all for the red states to have their say and that we the people living in the blue states are no higher or lower then anybody else, but It does affect us a lot more on who is going to be the president then them.

And in the end and in my opinion, which this post actually really is, I think it is time we the people in blue states say to the people in the red states get some real morals and act like a civilized human beings or get the hell out, because you guys are just bringing us down with you. I don't want to be ridiculed by the rest of the world just because you guys can't get it straight. So I say to you please try to accept our ideas cause we have already tried to accept yours.

Check out this map before you say anything more ...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm


It specifically shows that there is even less blue then the "whole state" maps, and if in fact we went to a different (and oft talked about here) version of the Electoral College (similar to New Hampshire and Nebraska) that the dems would have lost by even more then they did.

It is a proven fact that people who go to church regularly tend to vote republican and the ones who skip church or just don't believe in a invisible man tend to vote democrat. Good Moral values are generous, kind, helpful, not killing, not lying and the golden rule treat people as you would like to be treated. Those are good Moral Values. Now these people that go to church say they have good Moral Values too. They say good Moral Values are going to church, praying, believing in the bible (You have to think it all really took place) and that there is a god.

If you get a chance to read the book The purpose driven, please read it. Understand it, accept it and if you comprehend correctly you will love it. I am currently reading it. The deal with a church is not always about the building it self, it may entail a small group of people such as the 12 Deciples and jesus. It could be your family, could be any small or large group of true believers. I go to a Catholic Church now but used to go to a Christian one as a kid. I have looked into the Quakers and a couple others, but I do not label myself down to one religion except Gods word of guidance. There are many Churches out there that don't formalize everything and let you come in for prayer only. All the while never reading a bible other than a few verses and learning how to tell God thank you so very much for this life you have given me.

North America in 25 years:

http://www.blogitics.com/images/updates/new_map.jpg

Learn to spell then I will reply to that.

Idiot. He has spelt every word in his two posts correctly.

LOL Al Anbar!

This is just my opinion. If you have a problem with it then give your own.

Or since we won, you could get the hell out. That would work too. Theres some nice places in Europe that would greet you with open arms. It's funny how when when Democrats win, Republicans find a way to bitch and humiliate their opponent. If Republicans win, Democrats bitch threaten to leave the country, accusation of cheating, straight bashes, or anything they can find. All i can say it's America, your free to stay and your free to leave, and i'll leave that to your decision.

If the red states leave their aint
that much left of the country.