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Difference between Isrealis and Palestinians?

Other than the name they envoke when they kill eachother?

A Palestinian straps a bomb to himself, the Isreali straps it to a missile.

So which one is worse?

The Israelis are worse for hanging on to land they neither use nor need purely to anger the Palestinians, and for sending tanks and helicopters into refugee camps to carry out revenge killings after a Palestinian suicide bomber. Israel, being the American-backed power in the region, should know better, and just go after the terrorists, but they seem hell-bent on killing random Palestinians whenever it happens, which only creates more hatred.

If I was leader of the Israelis, I'd give all that land the Palestinians want (that Israelis can't use - it's full of Palestinians anyway) to the Palestinians, and give them their own state. If they survive, fine, if they die off, fine - it was their decision. Petty arguing over stupid things is causing death and destruction - not to mention huge racial tensions - all over the region, and it needs to stop.

The Israelis are worse for hanging on to land they neither use nor need purely to anger the Palestinians, and for sending tanks and helicopters into refugee camps to carry out revenge killings after a Palestinian suicide bomber. Israel, being the American-backed power in the region, should know better, and just go after the terrorists, but they seem hell-bent on killing random Palestinians whenever it happens, which only creates more hatred.

If I was leader of the Israelis, I'd give all that land the Palestinians want (that Israelis can't use - it's full of Palestinians anyway) to the Palestinians, and give them their own state. If they survive, fine, if they die off, fine - it was their decision. Petty arguing over stupid things is causing death and destruction - not to mention huge racial tensions - all over the region, and it needs to stop.
Who says that killing at random isn't the answer to curbing Islamic terrorism? I'm mostly playing devils advocate here but what if a series of random, impersonal, gruesome killings followed every suicide bombing or bus boarded by a terrorist with a machine-gun? Would the "people" who support and praise and fund abd train and offer up thier children to carry out these attacks think twice if thier own lives were at stake in the aftermath?

Who says that killing at random isn't the answer to curbing Islamic terrorism? I'm mostly playing devils advocate here but what if a series of random, impersonal, gruesome killings followed every suicide bombing or bus boarded by a terrorist with a machine-gun? Would the "people" who support and praise and fund abd train and offer up thier children to carry out these attacks think twice if thier own lives were at stake in the aftermath?

Are you saying that a suicidal would give up suiciding because his life would be at stake in the aftermath?

My view of Israeli/(unofficial) American policy: For every innocent muslim killed by Israeli/American troops, that's another muslim family wishing revenge on Israel/America. Random killings and oppression are what's causing them to suicide bomb, so stepping up the killings and oppression aren't going to stop them bombing, it's just going to make them do it more.

Also, they're hardly 'offering up' their children in most cases - I presume there may be a few cases of young children being forced into it by parents, but I don't think it's like that in all cases. Either way, upsetting Muslim families is only going to make them go out for more revenge, not stop looking for it at all. If Israel want to stop the deaths, they need to stop the oppression. Simple as that.

Israel pulling out of the Gaza Strip will help the world to see what would happen if the Palestinians were left alone. If the suicide bombings continue or become more frequent, then there is definitely something going wrong, and it isn't Israel or America causing it, just blamed on them.

Are you saying that a suicidal would give up suiciding because his life would be at stake in the aftermath?
No, I'm saying that the organisations and people who support them would be less inclined to do so when thier lives would be forfiet as well.

Israel pulling out of the Gaza Strip will help the world to see what would happen if the Palestinians were left alone. If the suicide bombings continue or become more frequent, then there is definitely something going wrong, and it isn't Israel or America causing it, just blamed on them.

I don´t get it at all, are you saying they can´t survive on their own?

No, I'm saying that the organisations and people who support them would be less inclined to do so when thier lives would be forfiet as well.

But they are, it´s not like these leaders are in Paris enjoying wine whle using a cell phone to order someone to kill himself, every once in a while, a terrorist leader get´s killed, then another one comes in and replaces him knowing that he will probably be killed too... not many terrorists (leaders or not) die of old age...

But they are, it´s not like these leaders are in Paris enjoying wine whle using a cell phone to order someone to kill himself, every once in a while, a terrorist leader get´s killed, then another one comes in and replaces him knowing that he will probably be killed too... not many terrorists (leaders or not) die of old age...
I'm not talking simply about leaders or even terrorists, I'm talking about the man in the street or the person who cheeers at the latest terrorists bombing. If you cannot police and prevent an action you must make those who know about it and support it police themselves. I'm am talking about making the cost in lives of those tha attacks are carried out in the names of, suposedly, so high that they themselves no longer tolerate the terrorists. That would completely wipe them out. Or every Israeli an Westerner could convert ti Islam or cmmit suicide. That would work too.

If I was leader of the Israelis, I'd give all that land the Palestinians want (that Israelis can't use - it's full of Palestinians anyway) to the Palestinians, and give them their own state. If they survive, fine, if they die off, fine - it was their decision. Petty arguing over stupid things is causing death and destruction - not to mention huge racial tensions - all over the region, and it needs to stop.

They did. Isreal nearly gave them ALL their land (nearly), But the Isreali's wouldn't want to give up Jeruselam, it's a religious location for both people. And still Palestinians turned them down.

Plus, it was the Palestinians who attacked Isreal first, then Isreal fought back and conquered their land. And now they want it back + more?

I'm not talking simply about leaders or even terrorists, I'm talking about the man in the street or the person who cheeers at the latest terrorists bombing. If you cannot police and prevent an action you must make those who know about it and support it police themselves. I'm am talking about making the cost in lives of those tha attacks are carried out in the names of, suposedly, so high that they themselves no longer tolerate the terrorists. That would completely wipe them out. Or every Israeli an Westerner could convert ti Islam or cmmit suicide. That would work too.

Remember September 11? When the WTC was bombed, the nation celebrated on the streets chanting, God has punished 'The Great Satan'.

Deeelo, it's simple psychology - you are farther from the truth. Those attacks wouldn't be seen as a deterrent, it would further infuriate the people and cause them to respond in kind.

They did. Isreal nearly gave them ALL their land (nearly), But the Isreali's wouldn't want to give up Jeruselam, it's a religious location for both people. And still Palestinians turned them down.

Plus, it was the Palestinians who attacked Isreal first, then Isreal fought back and conquered their land. And now they want it back + more?

It was Israel who invaded the land in the first place, back in the 1960s - at that time they had no claim to the land, the "Palestinians" and other Islamic peoples did.

My view of Israeli/(unofficial) American policy: For every innocent muslim killed by Israeli/American troops, that's another muslim family wishing revenge on Israel/America. Random killings and oppression are what's causing them to suicide bomb, so stepping up the killings and oppression aren't going to stop them bombing, it's just going to make them do it more.


Hence I believe the wall is a good thing.


Also, they're hardly 'offering up' their children in most cases - I presume there may be a few cases of young children being forced into it by parents, but I don't think it's like that in all cases. Either way, upsetting Muslim families is only going to make them go out for more revenge, not stop looking for it at all. If Israel want to stop the deaths, they need to stop the oppression. Simple as that.

It's not being forced by their parents. It's because they want to. (I'm trying to find the BBC story, about they interviewed this teenager in jail, that Isreal manage to capture, he was strapped with bombs and wanted to blow himself up at a restaurant, but was foiled and captured)

You don't understand some of these people. Imagine growing up in poverty, and you go to a muslim school where they teach you nonsense like "America and Isreal is the Great Satan".

Then terrorist organisations like Hamas comes in and preach to you that if you die, you would go to heaven and have 39 virgins. And Hamas would take care of your family.

For Palestinians living there, and all their lives they been thought that they are suffering because of the evilness of the Jews in their Holy Land. They willingly die for Allah, because there's nothing better in life for them. Might as well they die as a matyr.

Deeelo, it's simple psychology - you are farther from the truth. Those attacks wouldn't be seen as a detterent, it would further infuriate the people and cause them to respond in kind.
A deterant, no. Fearsome revenge that would follow any attack on Israelis, yes. Kill by thousands for every one of yours thsat is killed and those who are being, suposedly, killed for will no longer tolerate it. I'm not sayning it's right, but I think it woulkd work.

GUYS!!!
There is already another thread on this topic,
Israel-Good or Bad? try that, and don't keep posting a topic on the same subject.

A deterant, no. Fearsome revenge that would follow any attack on Israelis, yes. Kill by thousands for every one of yours thsat is killed and those who are being, suposedly, killed for will no longer tolerate it. I'm not sayning it's right, but I think it woulkd work.

Ok, I barely understood what you were saying. That is exactly what you are describing, a possibly deterrent. But if the Israelis killed thousands, then that would leave the rest to scheme, plot, and plan more violent attacks towards Israel. Throughout history, retaliation like that has never worked - and will continue to not work, as all it does is foster the hate and anger that unfortunately exists in the region.

GUYS!!!
There is already another thread on this topic,
Israel-Good or Bad? try that, and don't keep posting a topic on the same subject.
I found this one first. And, good or bad doesn't matter so much to me. The Israelis seem to have the power to end this. Good or bad, right or wrong, they could and just possibly, should?

It was Israel who invaded the land in the first place, back in the 1960s - at that time they had no claim to the land, the "Palestinians" and other Islamic peoples did.

No. it was given by the British.

Like Sanctaphrax says, read up on the other thread thingy.. At least there they have some guy whatsisname who's very very very informative about all of these.

Ok, I barely understood what you were saying. That is exactly what you are describing, a possibly deterrent. But if the Israelis killed thousands, then that would leave the rest to scheme, plot, and plan more violent attacks towards Israel. Throughout history, retaliation like that has never worked - and will continue to not work, as all it does is foster the hate and anger that unfortunately exists in the region.
First, how many ways can we spell detereant(yes, another one). What I am talking about is simple venegance, revenge. Kill, them. They kill you. Until one side is gone. I've yet to see any other plausible solution.

The only solutions to this are:
1. One side wipes out the other, or forces the other side to surrender.
2. Both sides are eliminated or subjugated by a third force. (The aliens are among us!)
3. They somehow come to some form of peace agreement, at least in the short term.

I think that the Palestinians will need to change their whole outlook in order to be able to run their own land. They are too used to having to struggle with others being in control.

the diffrence?one chants "for YMH" the other chants "for allah".they both are in the end the same :mp5:

I would like to note that every time a resolution is passed on the issue in the United Nations, those resolutions condemn the failure of Israel to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, the failure of Israel to sign the fourth Geneva Convention, and reaffirms that the appropriate border between Israel and Palestine is at the pre-1969 borders, and that Israel is a military occupier in all land other than that which they do not occupy. That's the Syrian Golan, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip.
No more than six countries ever vote agaisnt those resolutions, and four of them - the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, and Palau - are basically worthy of note.
It's also worthy of note that the leader of Hamas - not just the military wing, of the entire organization - stated that he was willing to stop all attacks against Israel if Palestine was given back the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Then Israel blew him up with a missile.
It is furthermore worthy of note that between 10/1/04 and 11/3/04(I don't know the numbers after that date) - 143 Palestinians have been killed by Israelis to a total whopping number of 5 Israelis killed.