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Just a quick trivia question that I've been meaning to ask for a long time (Seeing the other thread on Star Trek brought it to the forefront of my mind).

The Borg (You know, the "Resistance is futile" people) were one of the major villains of the Next Generation Era series's (That includes all the series during that time period, not simply The Next Generation). Big, ugly, and neat voices.

Now I ask you, when were the Borg first introduced to the Star Trek viewer? The answer will probably knock you out of your socks.

no one cares. at all.


Sorry, just me being bitter.

In the Season 2, Episode 16 episode "Q Who?" on Star Trek: The Next Generation.

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Timeline wise, or by when the episode was aired?

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I am correct unless you are talking about the Star Trek timeline where it would be during the movie First Contact, however if it is going by the first time we see them on screen it is in Q Who.

Impossible!

From startrek.com:

Origin: Delta Quadrant. A cybernetic life-form thousands of years old which is part organic, part artificial life. They have advanced well beyond Federation science, unknown prior to a confrontation with the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D arranged by the entity known as "Q" circa stardate 42761 ( 2365) some 7,000 light-years past explored Federation space in the Delta Quadrant.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/aliens/article/70558.html


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I'm asking in what Episode/Movie/TV Special were the Borg first introduced. Title, please.

And no, First Contact is not the correct answer.

Well the first time the viewer saw them was in Q Who?, unless you count that giant machine planet from the Motion Picture that Gene Roddenberry theorized might have been the Borg homeworld. Timeline wise it was either First Contact when they went back in time, or that damned episode of Enterprise if you want to say that the First Contact shit was another timeline or something.

we first see them in ST:TNG but I think they were mentioned in Star Trek The Motion Picture. The Voyager probe went to a planet of Intelligent Machines and was repaired so that I could complete it's mission.... now that I think about it, At the end, V'ger wanted to "Join with the Creator" That could be an indication that when Voyager and... character's name escapes me... 'joined' it could have created the 'first Borg'

Wouldn't explain how they got so big a territory so fast... but who knows.

Anyway, that's my guess.

I got it... in VOYAGE HOME. someone looking very 'Borg'-like was in the audience of Kirk's trial.

You people really need to be a lot stupider, to many people know what I'm talking about. I was expecting post upon post of wrong answers before I revealed it. Unfortunately, people have already gotten it.

It was in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. V'ger was a Borg. The planet that the probe was transported to was the Borg homeworld and they turned the Voyager probe into one of them.

Damn you all and your lack of a lack of Star Trek knowledge!

You people really need to be a lot stupider, to many people know what I'm talking about. I was expecting post upon post of wrong answers before I revealed it. Unfortunately, people have already gotten it.

It was in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. V'ger was a Borg. The planet that the probe was transported to was the Borg homeworld and they turned the Voyager probe into one of them.

Damn you all and your lack of a lack of Star Trek knowledge!

That's conjecture, though. It was never stated whether or not that planet was a Borg planet at all. Gene Roddenberry only theorized about it 10 years later after Q Who?.

If I had seen this post earlier I would have mentioned it.

William Shatner speculates about the Borg being the ones who created VGer in one of his star trek books. Can't remember the name though.

You people really need to be a lot stupider, to many people know what I'm talking about. I was expecting post upon post of wrong answers before I revealed it. Unfortunately, people have already gotten it.

It was in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. V'ger was a Borg. The planet that the probe was transported to was the Borg homeworld and they turned the Voyager probe into one of them.

Damn you all and your lack of a lack of Star Trek knowledge!

Eh.. ST:TMP... I really didn't like the movie, so I guess that's why I really didn't think about it. ;)

I get this info from an 'official' and 'authorised' Star Trek novel. Next Generation time period, Enterprise E if I'm correct.

EDIT: And yes, it's that William Shatner novel that was mentioned a few posts ago

You people really need to be a lot stupider, to many people know what I'm talking about. I was expecting post upon post of wrong answers before I revealed it. Unfortunately, people have already gotten it.

It was in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. V'ger was a Borg. The planet that the probe was transported to was the Borg homeworld and they turned the Voyager probe into one of them.

Damn you all and your lack of a lack of Star Trek knowledge!


I'll say Sdaeriji was the winner... he posted first... (Damn my poor typing skilz) :D

However, they were not introduced as "the Borg" but a machine world full of intelligent Machines.

Wasn't there a probe in the original series that was also repaired by intelligent machines... the one that mistook Kirk as it's 'creator?' and it was going around removing "infestations of inferior life forms."

Damn, can't remember the title.

I'll say Sdaeriji was the winner... she posted first... (Damn my poor typing skilz) :D

However, they were not introduced as "the Borg" but a machine world full of intelligent Machines.

Wasn't there a probe in the original series that was also repaired by intelligent machines... the one that mistook Kirk as it's 'creator?' and it was going around removing "infestations of inferior life forms."

Damn, can't remember the title.

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Wasn't there a probe in the original series that was also repaired by intelligent machines... the one that mistook Kirk as it's 'creator?' and it was going around removing "infestations of inferior life forms."

Damn, can't remember the title.

Yup, because it's creaters last name was "Roykirk" or something like that. And, if I'm remembering correctly (I've only seen that episode once back in the 90's) it collided with an asteroid in space

I get this info from an 'official' and 'authorised' Star Trek novel. Next Generation time period, Enterprise E if I'm correct.

EDIT: And yes, it's that William Shatner novel that was mentioned a few posts ago

I've got a book kicking around that mentions Gene Roddenberry himself theorized about it after the Borg were formally introduced in TNG. I suppose it doesn't get any more official than that, but I still don't accept it simply because it was all just theorizing and never definitively mentioned in an episode or movie.

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Wow, I've never had anyone think I'm a girl before.


WHOOOPS! :eek: ... sorry, boy is my face red... Just when I was going to ask you out too... er... no hard feelings? Sorry, you know... those poor typing skills of mine... he heh... typo?

Yup, because it's creaters last name was "Roykirk" or something like that. And, if I'm remembering correctly (I've only seen that episode once back in the 90's) it collided with an asteroid in space


yes, and it was repaired / merged with some Farming probe or terraformer...

i just want to state for the record that whoever introduced the idea of a borg queen into the mix deserves to be kicked in the face until dead. it turns the genuinely frightening and strangely seductive borg massive galaxy spanning collective consciousness into a cheap "hive culture". one of the oldest and most threadbare of sci fi cliches.

yes, and it was repaired / merged with some Farming probe or terraformer...

It was an alien probe sent out to gather various lifeforms and sterilize them for study. So, when the two probes merged, their missions of "Seek out all life" and "Gather and sterlize life for study" became "Seek out and sterilze all life". Which is why it was going on a rampage around the galaxy.

i just want to state for the record that whoever introduced the idea of a borg queen into the mix deserves to be kicked in the face until dead. it turns the genuinely frightening and strangely seductive borg massive galaxy spanning collective consciousness into a cheap "hive culture". one of the oldest and most threadbare of sci fi cliches.

I prefer to keep my memories of Voyager repressed.

And of course those rampages are always a bad thing

It was an alien probe sent out to gather various lifeforms and sterilize them for study. So, when the two probes merged, their missions of "Seek out all life" and "Gather and sterlize life for study" became "Seek out and sterilze all life". Which is why it was going on a rampage around the galaxy.
Huh? I thought it was to look for impurities in the soil and eliminate them... that's why it wasn't out right killing people... only when they showed that they were imperfect.

Huh? I thought it was to look for impurities in the soil and eliminate them... that's why it wasn't out right killing people... only when they showed that they were imperfect.

I thought it was collecting microscopic life to study or something. Eh, maybe I'm wrong. Either way, it was pretty cheesy if you think about it.

I prefer to keep my memories of Voyager repressed.

it/she was introduced in First Contact. And the Borg always had a Hive mind from day one. A Queen just made them insect like. :(

I thought it was collecting microscopic life to study or something. Eh, maybe I'm wrong. Either way, it was pretty cheesy if you think about it.
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it/she was introduced in First Contact. And the Borg always had a Hive mind from day one. A Queen just made them insect like. :(

My statement about Voyager still stands.

well if the borg come from the first movie, don't they really come from the episode of tos(the changeling) that it completely ripped off?

I don't think that the Machine Planet Voyager visits could be the Borg world. For one thing, the Borg were far too far away from earth before TNG for something travelling at sublight speeds to have made the trip. Beyond that, Q implies that the Borg are unaware of humanity's existence before 'Q who?'.

Of course given how slowly Voyager was travelling, the planet it visited would have to have been pretty close to earth so it's strange to the federation never found it...

My statement about Voyager still stands.
No disagreements about Voyager... Man I thought it had the best chance to do the one thing no other Star Trek series could ever do.

1) collect Aliens who are intriged by this concept of "Federation" and they have some of their number joining Voyager as crew and Ambassadors.

2) change the ship with new and alien technology to the point that it's a different ship when it returns to Federation Space.

3)imagine the Voyager being destroyed... completely... no dream... no time flux. GONE. Say they lost their ship stopping an inter planetary war caused by an unknown third party. Knowing what these aliens did and what they sacrificed, the two ex-enemies decide to give Janeway and her crew their last flagship and the crew to help get them home.


Can you imagine how the stories could be developed... but NO! they gotta get in contact with the Federation and go on 'Missions' for them.

Totally ruined it for me.

I don't think that the Machine Planet Voyager visits could be the Borg world. For one thing, the Borg were far too far away from earth before TNG for something travelling at sublight speeds to have made the trip. Beyond that, Q implies that the Borg are unaware of humanity's existence before 'Q who?'.

Of course given how slowly Voyager was travelling, the planet it visited would have to have been pretty close to earth so it's strange to the federation never found it...


With the concept of wormholes, it's not impossible. after all, wasn't Voyager 6 or was it 7, reported destroyed in a black hole? And it returned to Earth at speeds unmatched by any starship?

No disagreements about Voyager... Man I thought it had the best chance to do the one thing no other Star Trek series could ever do.

1) collect Aliens who are intriged by this concept of "Federation" and they have some of their number joining Voyager as crew and Ambassadors.

2) change the ship with new and alien technology to the point that it's a different ship when it returns to Federation Space.

3)imagine the Voyager being destroyed... completely... no dream... no time flux. GONE. Say they lost their ship stopping an inter planetary war caused by an unknown third party. Knowing what these aliens did and what they sacrificed, the two ex-enemies decide to give Janeway and her crew their last flagship and the crew to help get them home.


Can you imagine how the stories could be developed... but NO! they gotta get in contact with the Federation and go on 'Missions' for them.

Totally ruined it for me.

I hate how they completely dismantled the Borg. The viewscreen with the Borg ship on it from "Best of Both Worlds I" was one of the most frightening visages in all of Star Trek. They were scary. But Voyager took them and made them bitches. How many times did Janeway do what the entire Federation struggled to do? They took away that fear factor.

With the concept of wormholes, it's not impossible. after all, wasn't Voyager 6 or was it 7, reported destroyed in a black hole? And it returned to Earth at speeds unmatched by any starship?

I guess it would have hit a wormhole (and with upgrades on the Machine planet, it obviously returned at high warp). Still, in "Q who?" it's pretty clear that the Borg weren't aware of Earth, since they have to download Earth's coordinates from the enterprise computer so that they can show up in time for "The Best of Both Worlds". Besides, Vyger is surprised that the 'carbon based lifeforms' on the enterprise are actually the intelligent beings running things. Borg ships, on the other hand aren't alive, and the Borg are originally organic. I wouldn't expect Vyger to be surprised by sentient organic life if it had spent time with the Borg.

would've been nice that after Janeway saves the Borg from that Species (?) In DS9, you have a major push into the Federation. with the battle lines drawn, 3 borg cubes glide in and destroy everything... no assimulation... leaving the Federation untouched. As they leave, they beam a message to Sisko's ship...


"Our Debt to Voyager has been fulfilled."

Yeah, the Borg were nerfed big time.

Yup, because it's creaters last name was "Roykirk" or something like that. And, if I'm remembering correctly (I've only seen that episode once back in the 90's) it collided with an asteroid in space

The probe was named Nomad. The creator was Jackson Roykirk.

The probe was named Nomad. The creator was Jackson Roykirk.

Ahh, and was it repair on some machine world or not?

Now I ask you, when were the Borg first introduced to the Star Trek viewer? The answer will probably knock you out of your socks.

the first episode of tng.

when they met q for the first time.

Ahh, and was it repair on some machine world or not?
i think it actually somehow merged with an alien probe. one was to take soil samples and sterilize them, the other was to seek out intelligent life. they merged and decided to split the difference seeking out intelligent life and sterilizing it if it wasn't perfect.

I'm completely not buying the whole V'ger bit. Sure, you can speculate, but it wasnt acting in the borg manner at all. The borg's main focus was to assimulate life, not vaporize it. If you remember correctly, V'ger was kicking the shit out of everything. Anyways, that movie is boring after the first time of watching. Though I do like the style it more than any of the others. Its much less Militant and metallic.

Also, I agree about what they did to the borg. They made the borg boring. Voyager, I missed of most of it as I don't get UPN, would have been so much better if the borg were kicking their ass once every other month instead of this friendly get together that they did.

Wow, I miss the days when I was a big star trek nerd.

I'm completely not buying the whole V'ger bit. Sure, you can speculate, but it wasnt acting in the borg manner at all. The borg's main focus was to assimulate life, not vaporize it. If you remember correctly, V'ger was kicking the shit out of everything. Anyways, that movie is boring after the first time of watching. Though I do like the style it more than any of the others. Its much less Militant and metallic.

Also, I agree about what they did to the borg. They made the borg boring. Voyager, I missed of most of it as I don't get UPN, would have been so much better if the borg were kicking their ass once every other month instead of this friendly get together that they did.

Wow, I miss the days when I was a big star trek nerd.

Actually V'ger was transfroming the solid... er butts into electronic data and was storing it in it's database. remember when Spock went sightseeing? he encountered the digitized Klingon Vessels, Epsilon 9 and the Digitized Ilea.

Janeway Bastardised the Borg in the final episode. What a lame way for the Borg to be annihilated.

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The Borg were first hinted at in the TNG episode "The Neutral Zone" in the first season. In the episode the Romulans are all upset because their deep space outposts are being taken out by an unknown force. Although, I think that one episode "Conspiracy" with the mind control worms was going to set them up as the menace but there was such a negative reaction to it by the audience that they rethought what the threat was going to be.

ok another trivia question.

Besides the main actors/actresses, who or what starred in episodes in both Generations.

I'm talking series. but not limited to ST:TOS and ST:TNG. You can include DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise.

Spock, Scotty, McCoy, Sarek and Kirk? Scratch Kirk. He wasn't in the series.

Spock, Scotty, McCoy, Sarek and Kirk? Scratch Kirk. He wasn't in the series.

You can include Majorie Barret-Roddenberry also. but they are kinda major actors and Actresses... Nope looking for a "guest star" that wasn't named in the TOS credits.

There's that Voyager episode where they discover a planet with lots of dormant aliens who have been in stasis for 900 years (Voth?) . When one of them is woken up he recognises 7 of 9 as Borg.

I've alwasy thought it would be fun to write a 'pre-quil' story of the Borg and how they went from humanoid to android.

I had ideas about a planet-wide VR network whch some hackers got into with a malicious worm that morphed into assimilation, or one which a greedy corp started in order to sell more of their VR network...

Either story could be good, it would be a tragedy - of course, with the last hold-outs creating sector -0- or whatever it was called in that DS9 episode.

And I agree - the queen B was a cheap plot device that ruined the Borg.

Re: origins of the Borg, I personally like it when a clever writer can tie loose ends together nicely and neatly.

Perhaps the Borg could be the negative flipside to the fusion of man and machine we saw between the V'Ger probe/Ilia and Commander Decker at the end of TMP? Perhaps they were among V'Ger's descendants, afflicted with a viral infection, living in temporal exile outside the galaxy altogether.

The energy barrier at the rim of the galaxy might've been part of a forgotten perimeter grid to keep them out. I know of one TNG novel postulating that the 'Doomsday Machine', the planet-eating cornucopia of Death from TOS had something to do with the Borg...it was called 'Vendetta', I believe.

Anyway, just sayin'...Besides, it'd help validate the less craptacular aspects of ST:TMP.

I think the Borg Queen was an interesting concept that was badly handled in the dismal series of Voyager.

When Picard was assimulated it was because the Borg realised that the Alpha Quadrant species were hierarcharal(sp?) and they decided on a spokesperson. Picard was given a name, Locutus, rather than a designation.

In First Contact Picard, upon meeting the queen, remembers her from the borg ship. He states that all the borg on that ship were destoryed to which she replys something like "Humans, you think so fourth dimensonally".

Since the Borg is a hive mind, how can Picard, a person with a single conciousness, trust his perceptions. It is possiable that the queen did not in fact exist in the real world, but only in the virtual world of the Borg's group mind.

Here's my theory: After assimulating Picard and making him Locutus, the Borg understand how a "leader" borg unit with a personality works. They construct the personality and place it in a borg.

I refer to a two parter Voyager episode with rogue borg who exist as indivuals while in regenration mode. They exist in a virtual world along some Borg communications frequency (or some such techno-babble). The queen also informs a young borg that she was orginally from species 115 (or something similar).

Voyager did handle the Borg badly because with the exception of the epsiode I just mentioned they never explored this and they pussified the Borg.

My two cents and I apologise for the bad spelling, I've just finished work and I am very tired

You people really need to be a lot stupider, to many people know what I'm talking about. I was expecting post upon post of wrong answers before I revealed it. Unfortunately, people have already gotten it.

It was in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. V'ger was a Borg. The planet that the probe was transported to was the Borg homeworld and they turned the Voyager probe into one of them.

Damn you all and your lack of a lack of Star Trek knowledge!
That appears in one of Shatner's novels (The Return, if I remember correctly), but I don't think theres any basis in any episode/film/TV special to support this, and I find it very unlikely the creators had the Borg (who did not yet exist) in mind when they thought up V'ger.

i think it actually somehow merged with an alien probe. one was to take soil samples and sterilize them, the other was to seek out intelligent life. they merged and decided to split the difference seeking out intelligent life and sterilizing it if it wasn't perfect.Yeah. What happened is that they collided, and their programming was damaged. It incorrectly repaired the programming, combining bits from both original probes.
The Borg were first hinted at in the TNG episode "The Neutral Zone" in the first season. In the episode the Romulans are all upset because their deep space outposts are being taken out by an unknown force.Ah yes, I remember thinking that was the borg in the re-runs.

I like to repress much of post-TNG star trek. TNG may have been hollywood, with lots of crappy episodes, but it had some very good episodes as well that made it well worth watching, and even many of the space cowboy episodes were at least quality space cowboy. I never got into DS9, but it looks as if it's the same way. But Voyager and Enterprise? Blech. The franchise, I'm afraid, has been lost to mediocrity. I'm waiting for the next good sf series to come along, and I'm not expecting it to be star trek.