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The United States gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and only $568,744 per day to Palestinian NGO's.

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Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

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Only 989 Israelis have been killed while 3,425 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

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Only 6,709 Israelis have been injured while 28,121 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

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Israeli unemployment rate is 10.4% while the Palestinian unemployment rate is 37-67%.

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117 Israeli children have been killed while 647 Palestinian children have been killed since September 29, 2000.

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1 Israeli home has been destroyed by Palestinians while 2,202 Palestinian homes have been completely destroyed and another 14,436 partially destroyed since September 29, 2000.

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60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March, 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlements.

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How come the images don't display? :confused:

You're not trying to say that, a) Israelis are evil and Palestinians are heroes, or b) all Americans love Israel? Because you'd be wrong on both counts.

How come the images don't display? :confused:Change the settings under your profile. It's in options, and check the little box that says "display images".

Why do you need to bash Israel so much? Sure they do alot of sh*t but the Palestinians aren't perfect either.

I really don't think most Americans care. At all.

I really don't think most Americans care. At all.

I sure as hell do not. Hell, I'm a bit pissed America gives any money at all to those palestinian terrorists...

How come the images don't display? :confused:
The images display on my computer okay. Interesting thread but not surprising in the least.

Well it would be nice to see if Bush can resolve that mess over there, but I certainly do have my doubts.

why do we even bother helping either side. Just build a wall around israel and palestine and let them go at it for 10 years without foreign aid. Then take down the wall and let the winner keep everything.

Why do you need to bash Israel so much? Sure they do alot of sh*t but the Palestinians aren't perfect either.
Those are just graphs.....do you consider that bashing?

I'm kind of angry that we give them money at all. That money could be much better used here in America than over there helping both sides kill each other.

why do we even bother helping either side. Just build a wall around israel and palestine and let them go at it for 10 years without foreign aid. Then take down the wall and let the winner keep everything.
If you did that, the Israelis would just annihilate the Palestinians?

I don't care a bit, and I'm fairly centrist as far as politics go. The palestinians don't seem to actually want peace over there, everytime they get close, they decide to blow something or anouther up and destroy all progress made towards creation of a Palastinian state. And, honestly, I feel sorry for Israel, they just seem to want to be left alone, but no one in the middle east seems willing to live and let live when Israel is concerned.

If you did that, the Israelis would just annihilate the Palestinians?

Yeah, pretty much. I don't pretend to like either side. I think the Israelies are trying to make a land claim that is well over 2,000 years old and that the Palestinians have had a legal right to for at least 1,000 years. I also think the Palestinans really don't need to blow up buses of civilians. Neither of the two sides is especially good so why not just let them duke it out. Chances are yes, the Israeiles will win because they have better funding (its no secret), better technology, and an angrier populace.

Those are just graphs.....do you consider that bashing?



He made a thread ealier that was and this seemed to be showing how the US shouldn't send more money to Israel than to Palestine.

He made a thread ealier that was and this seemed to be showing how the US shouldn't send more money to Israel than to Palestine.

No I didn't.

No I didn't.



Didn't you? Must have been someone else then.

I don't quite care... at all. The whole... if americans knew... kind of led me into thinking I would care. Frankly, why even waste money on a wall?

The american populace is far too media sedated to bother caring.

how about a couple of more did you knows?

Did you know that when the original Zionists arrived in Palestine (then ruled by Turkey) they purchased mostly worthless land from Arab landlords and improved it over the course of a generation.

Did you know that a Jewish community lived in Old Jerusalem continually from the time that Saladin took it back from the Crusaders until the Jordanian Arab Legion drove them out in 1948?

Did you know that until Israel gained its independence, all Jewish communities were established on land they purchased from Arab Landlords?

Did you know that when the Mandate of Palestine was ended, the UN Resolution called for the division of territory between the Palestinian Arabs and the Jews, and that the Arab governments launched a multi national invasion, Israel won, Jordan kept the West Bank, Egypt kept Gaza and nobody asked the Palestinians if they wanted to set up a country in what was left?

Did you know that most of the Israeli civilian casualties were caused by young men and women going into restaurants, hotels, buses etc, and blowing themselves and everyone else within reach up with a bomb strapped to themselves.

Did you know that smart bombs, missiles etc often miss and kill people they were not aimed at?

Did you know that American aid to Israel has been US policy since the 1968 -69 War of Attrition that Egypt launched in order to wear down the Israelis and had to call off when the Israelis started winning in embarrassing fashion.

Did you know that the 1967 War (also called the 6 Day War) was started when the Egyptians closed off Israeli access to the Red Sea (which was in INTERNATIONAL waters), massed their army in the Sinai and told they world they were going to drive the Israelis into the sea?

Did you know that war is why Israel controls the West Bank and Gaza, as well as the Golan Heights and for a long time controlled the Sinai?

Did you know that an Israeli killed Yitzah Rabin, who wanted to bring peace to both sides?

Did you know that all that?

Check it out, its in lots of history books, many of which weren't even written by Jews, Israelis or Arabs.

Say, can the US send some $$$ to Australia too? We're your real best buddies you know or are we just stupid sheep :confused:

boo hoo. Cry me a river. Poor Palestinians, why aren't their Arab brothers all rich in their oil money doing anything to help their muslim brothers in need?

Hey! I wanna know why there have been zero UN resolutions against the Palestinians?

Say, can the US send some $$$ to Australia too? We're your real best buddies you know or are we just stupid sheep :confused:
The second one! Just kidding, couldn't resist!

I don't care a bit, and I'm fairly centrist as far as politics go. The palestinians don't seem to actually want peace over there, everytime they get close, they decide to blow something or anouther up and destroy all progress made towards creation of a Palastinian state. And, honestly, I feel sorry for Israel, they just seem to want to be left alone, but no one in the middle east seems willing to live and let live when Israel is concerned.

Maybe because Palastine isn't a state, and the people of Palastine are not controlled by one force - rather by many factions, some of which truely do want peace - while the rest feel they must retaliate to the Isreali violence?

It's an endless, vicious cycle. Israel does something, Palestinian's fight back through their only means - terrorist tactics. Which then incites retaliation from Israel, which of course brings the Palestinian's to respond etc etc.. If Israel would simply absorb some attacks and truely made an attempt at peace , instead of bringing more bloodshed to the region as a response.. then there might be a chance at limited peace.

Hey! I wanna know why there have been zero UN resolutions against the Palestinians?

Maybe because they are not an established country?

Maybe because Palastine isn't a state, and the people of Palastine are not controlled by one force - rather by many factions, some of which truely do want peace - while the rest feel they must retaliate to the Isreali violence?

It's an endless, vicious cycle. Israel does something, Palestinian's fight back through their only means - terrorist tactics. Which then incites retaliation from Israel, which of course brings the Palestinian's to respond etc etc.. If Israel would simply absorb some attacks and truely made an attempt at peace , instead of bringing more bloodshed to the region as a response.. then there might be a chance at limited peace.
The Israels must bear this burden alone then? They must suffer the attacks of thier enemies for peace? Given that as abn option give me war personally. Don't forget that until they aquired nuclear weapons the Isralis were attacked the entire region, not just the Pallestinians.

The Israels must bear this burden alone then? They must suffer the attacks of thier enemies for peace? Given that as abn option give me war personally. Don't forget that until they aquired nuclear weapons the Isralis were attacked the entire region, not just the Pallestinians.

How are they bearing 'the' burden alone? And furthermore, you'd rather many of your people die in a war than a few through attacks that can be prevented simply by you leaving the Gaza strip and agreeing to the creation of the Palestinian state?

How are they bearing 'the' burden alone? And furthermore, you'd rather many of your people die in a war than a few through attacks that can be prevented simply by you leaving the Gaza strip and agreeing to the creation of the Palestinian state?
"If Israel were simply to absorb some attacks" sound familiar? Why should the Israelis be the ones to "absorb"? Couldn't those attacks be just as easily prevented by not allowing any Pallestinian to enter Israel? And yes, I would rather die fighting than "absorb" abuse!

And who was offered 97% of their demands, but walked away to start a stupid war? Oh that's right! The Palestinians did that.

They had their chance and deserve nothing since they walked away from it. Maybe when Arafat gets to his spot in Hell and Abas or Qeria take over peace can occur, but as long as Fatah supports terrorism and Hamas is in business without Palestinians stopping their neighbors from committing terrorist acts the Palestinians will continue to live as they do.

The reason that they are in refugee camps is because they chose to leave in 1948 to clear the way for the Arab attack on the young and weak state of Israel. When the Arabs got their asses kicked by a lesser Israeli Army, the Palestinians weren't allowed to live in the nations. The plight of the Palestinian people is the responsibility of the Egyptians and Jordanians, not Israel.

Israel wanted peace when they were founded, but most Arabs and Palestinians want the Jews to be pushed into the Sea. If they went for the peace wanted by Israel they would be fine today.

As for foreign aid. Large amounts are sent by Europe and the UN, but guess what. Arafat pockets it all and it is in hidden bank accounts. It isn't Israel's fault, but the fault of Palestinian leadership.

And who was offered 97% of their demands, but walked away to start a stupid war? Oh that's right! The Palestinians did that.

They had their chance and deserve nothing since they walked away from it. Maybe when Arafat gets to his spot in Hell and Abas or Qeria take over peace can occur, but as long as Fatah supports terrorism and Hamas is in business without Palestinians stopping their neighbors from committing terrorist acts the Palestinians will continue to live as they do.

The reason that they are in refugee camps is because they chose to leave in 1948 to clear the way for the Arab attack on the young and weak state of Israel. When the Arabs got their asses kicked by a lesser Israeli Army, the Palestinians weren't allowed to live in the nations. The plight of the Palestinian people is the responsibility of the Egyptians and Jordanians, not Israel.

Israel wanted peace when they were founded, but most Arabs and Palestinians want the Jews to be pushed into the Sea. If they went for the peace wanted by Israel they would be fine today.

As for foreign aid. Large amounts are sent by Europe and the UN, but guess what. Arafat pockets it all and it is in hidden bank accounts. It isn't Israel's fault, but the fault of Palestinian leadership.

This is totally accurate. Way to go IDF! Also don't forget that Israel recognized the arab states but the arab states launched the war in 1948. Ironic that Israel wanted to recognize all the Arab states but the Arab States launched a very disasterous war on Israel wouldn't you say?

Maybe because they are not an established country?

How about other non-national terrorists? Does Al Quieda get UN resoklutions against it? Does Sinn Fein?

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

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Uhhhhh, maybe cus Palestine isn't even recognized as a member nation of the UN

Uhhhhh, maybe cus Palestine isn't even recognized as a member nation of the UN

Palestine as a country doesnt exists and therefor isnt recognized, the PLO is the representitive body of the Palestinians in the UN, and the only terrorist orginization that ever recieved voice like that infront of the entire world.

i know this is real hard for everybody who thinks Bush is "america" and blair is "england" and chirac is "france" but YASSIR ARAFAT IS NOT PALESTINE. "the palestinian people" didn't walk away from the camp david talks, they were a little busy trying not to starve or get shot while their self-appointed leader was in another country trying to come off all glorious and resolute. it's also worth noting that the camp david accord would have created several chunks of palestinian land, surrounded by israeli land on all sides and with no fresh water supplies of their own.

similarly, the "israelis" did not set off the second (or third or whatever number that was) intifadah by going to the dome of the rock at an extremely strained time and pissing off all sorts of people. that was sharon, the slightly-less-self-appointed leader.

also, it's crucial to recognize that as a whole, israeli zionists are far more moderate than american zionists, and an enormous contingent, if not the majority, of settlers and other ultrazionists in israel and the occupied territories are recent/first generation immigrants from the US and elsewhere.

i know this is real hard for everybody who thinks Bush is "america" and blair is "england" and chirac is "france" but YASSIR ARAFAT IS NOT PALESTINE. "the palestinian people" didn't walk away from the camp david talks, they were a little busy trying not to starve or get shot while their self-appointed leader was in another country trying to come off all glorious and resolute. it's also worth noting that the camp david accord would have created several chunks of palestinian land, surrounded by israeli land on all sides and with no fresh water supplies of their own.

And that later negotiations in tandem with the Israelis and Americans (particularly the Clinton Proposals at Taba and then in Washington) would have solved those problems. Arafat and the Palestinian delegation turned those down, too.

similarly, the "israelis" did not set off the second (or third or whatever number that was) intifadah by going to the dome of the rock at an extremely strained time and pissing off all sorts of people. that was sharon, the slightly-less-self-appointed leader.

Also incorrect. The Intifada, which has been confirmed by middle-level Palestinian leaders to have been planned in advance by Arafat following Camp David's dissolution, had already started before Sharon's visit. Sharon threw gasoline on a fire that was already in progress. Stupid and irresponsible, undoubtedly. But the Intifada isn't "his" fault.

Furthermore, Sharon was not the leader of Israel at the time of the visit, but rather the leader of the political opposition. At present, Sharon is the leader of Israel- and by democratic election, not "self-appointment". Not quite sure what you were trying to argue there.

also, it's crucial to recognize that as a whole, israeli zionists are far more moderate than american zionists, and an enormous contingent, if not the majority, of settlers and other ultrazionists in israel and the occupied territories are recent/first generation immigrants from the US and elsewhere.

Not quite sure of the relevance of this. Also, what's an ultra-Zionist? Conflating right-wing Zionism with "ultra-Zionism" implies that "real" Zionism is by definition radical or extremist. That's simply incorrect, just as it would be incorrect to refer to "ultra-Americans" or "ultra-Muslims".

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Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

Just another example of the bigoted anti-Israeli UN. So what. So the UN refused on thousands of justifiable occasions to admonish terrorists. :eek: Surprise!

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The United States gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and only $568,744 per day to Palestinian NGO's.

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Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

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Only 989 Israelis have been killed while 3,425 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

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Only 6,709 Israelis have been injured while 28,121 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

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Israeli unemployment rate is 10.4% while the Palestinian unemployment rate is 37-67%.

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117 Israeli children have been killed while 647 Palestinian children have been killed since September 29, 2000.

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1 Israeli home has been destroyed by Palestinians while 2,202 Palestinian homes have been completely destroyed and another 14,436 partially destroyed since September 29, 2000.

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60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March, 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlements.

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Sure does look like things are going the right way, doesn't it? There's a thing that happens in a war...actually two things. One is defeat, one is victory. The Israelis have won every time the Arabs have attacked. A privilege of victory is to occupy land. When the victor does that, he gets to make the rules.

Now, there is a withdrawal going on from Gaza. It has the settlements all in an uproar. I'm inclined to side with them. You can't appease murderers. Probably better to wall them off...Wait, the Israelis did that too. Way to go!

Palestine as a country doesnt exists and therefor isnt recognized, the PLO is the representitive body of the Palestinians in the UN, and the only terrorist orginization that ever recieved voice like that infront of the entire world.

Didn't Hamas just get some sort of UN recognition as a political organization? I can't remember the details, only that the UN recognized them, rather than condemned them.

By the way, all you need to know about Arafat was that he refused to address the UN without a sidearm; all you need to know about the UN is that they let him. What a corrupt bunch.

STOP STEROTYPING US!We don't all love Israel. We're not all fat; in fact I'm not. We don't all like Dubya; in fact I do not.The odd thing is I live in Texas. STOP WITH THE STEROTYPING

I don't understand why we are even messing with Israel. We are brown-nosers. Now that's something you can sterotype about. :)

Americans do not need to know. It is the policy of the Empire of Presidency to keep such information from its public. To inform them otherwise would br treachery and would result in the punishment of death.

i know this is real hard for everybody who thinks Bush is "america" and blair is "england" and chirac is "france" but YASSIR ARAFAT IS NOT PALESTINE. "the palestinian people" didn't walk away from the camp david talks, they were a little busy trying not to starve or get shot while their self-appointed leader was in another country trying to come off all glorious and resolute. it's also worth noting that the camp david accord would have created several chunks of palestinian land, surrounded by israeli land on all sides and with no fresh water supplies of their own.

similarly, the "israelis" did not set off the second (or third or whatever number that was) intifadah by going to the dome of the rock at an extremely strained time and pissing off all sorts of people. that was sharon, the slightly-less-self-appointed leader.

also, it's crucial to recognize that as a whole, israeli zionists are far more moderate than american zionists, and an enormous contingent, if not the majority, of settlers and other ultrazionists in israel and the occupied territories are recent/first generation immigrants from the US and elsewhere.

THANK YOU!

I know all the facts that were given on the subject. Add on from me:

Did you know that before 1948 several Israeli terrorist organizations were founded?

Did you know that they were responsible for the killing of British citizens in an explosion of a British hotel in 1947 (maybe 1946) and that that lead to the British pullout?

Did you know that they systematically wiped out 418 Palestinian villages with either driving the inhabitants out or massacring them, to make way for the "young nation of Israel"? So yeah, of course the Palestinians "chose" to leave and be refugees.

...Did you know that Israel has "tactical" nuclear weapons and was ready to use them in case Iraq showed hostility in 2003?

Israel has not been constantly attacked and kept winning every time. The Arab countries more or less won the what is called the Yum Kippur War. It has attacked several times. For instance, (I cannot remember the date 1960, around that?) Israel kept shelling Jerusalem and eventually took over it, driving out the Palestinian population.
Right now terrible crimes and atrocities are being committed by Israel against Palestinian civilians. You see, violence breeds violence. So why do Israelis retaliate not by trying to make negotiations and finding actual terrorists, but by killing and removing civilians from their homes?? If your house was bulldozed down, all you ever had destroyed, everyone you ever loved killed, wouldn't you have only one initiative left to live - revenge? Imagine it, being alone, with no food or money, in a hostile world. With no rights. What reason would you have left for living except to take as many of your enemies with you into oblivion?

Shame on anyone who does not feel sad for the Palestinian people.

Edit: Did you know that an Israeli spy who learned that the USA was selling biological and chemical weapons to Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war, and delivered the information to the Israeli government was captured by the USA and is still illegaly prison?

Did you know that during one war with the Arab countries an American ship was listening to the Israeli military radio from International Waters and was shot down by American-made Israeli jet-fighters? The incident was somehow kept from going public, although about 200 Americans died.

Did you know that before 1948 several Israeli terrorist organizations were founded?

I know of the Irgun and the Lehi. I would distinguish them from the Haganah because of the Haganah's havgalah policy. It should be noted that neither Irgun nor Lehi recognized the central authority or legitimacy of the Jewish Agency or Haganah. The ideological leader of the Irgun, Jabotinsky, founded his own school of Zionist thought and seceeded from the Zionist Organization, creating his own.

Incidentally, how many Palestinian terrorist organizations have been founded?

Did you know that they were responsible for the killing of British citizens in an explosion of a British hotel in 1947 (maybe 1946)

So much for you knowing "all the facts". The King David Hotel was targetted (in 1946, btw) specifically because it was the MILITARY HEADQUARTERS of the British forces in Palestine. There was also a telephone call warning, which was ignored. This obviously does not excuse the action, but you are selectively ignoring some rather notable pieces of information.

and that that lead to the British pullout?

Debateable and doubtful. It is much more likely that the British pullout was influenced by multiple factors, one of which was the totality of Jewish terrorism (as opposed to one specific incident, as you allege,) being perpretrated against them by the various militias.

Did you know that they systematically wiped out 418 Palestinian villages with either driving the inhabitants out or massacring them

When? And please cite a source. I also wouldn't mind finding out exact WHO did the wiping.

to make way for the "young nation of Israel"? So yeah, of course the Palestinians "chose" to leave and be refugees.

Again, you're being disengenuous by leaving out key bits of information. Who did the ethnic cleansing, for what reasons, and when. These are all extremely relevant in your attempting to link this up with the Palestinian refugee issue.

...Did you know that Israel has "tactical" nuclear weapons and was ready to use them in case Iraq showed hostility in 2003?

And?

Israel has not been constantly attacked and kept winning every time. The Arab countries more or less won the what is called the Yum Kippur War.

How so? My impression of the war was that it was a sneak attack on Israel designed to make it lose territory, specifically, the territory it gained in 1967. In this respect, the war was a failure. As Wikipedia notes, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War) the Arab armies broke through Israeli lines and smashed "the myth of the invincibility of Israeli arms", but these seem like rather minor victories to me.

It has attacked several times. For instance, (I cannot remember the date 1960, around that?) Israel kept shelling Jerusalem and eventually took over it, driving out the Palestinian population.

Uh huh. And yet there is a huge Palestinian population in East Jerusalem at present. I also am unfamiliar with any conflict occuring in 1960. Perhaps you might want to double-check these facts.

Right now terrible crimes and atrocities are being committed by Israel against Palestinian civilians. You see, violence breeds violence.

I agree. And the violence being perpretrated by Palestinians results in more violence from the Israelis. A truly unfortunate (and, at present, intractable) situation.

So why do Israelis retaliate not by trying to make negotiations and finding actual terrorists, but by killing and removing civilians from their homes??

Yasser Arafat helped plan and finance the Intifada. He refused to let any "moderate" Palestinian officials have any power that would diminish his own. Who is the negotiation supposed to be with? I don't support Sharon's "no negotiation" policies, but I think he had a real point in saying he couldn't deal with Arafat.

And who do you define as an "actual terrorist"? How do you distinguish "actual terrorists" from the general population? Was Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of Hamas, an "actual terrorist"? What about any of the Hamas leadership? Where do they fall? Have you even thought about this? Do you have some terrorist hierarchy, in which at a certain point, one becomes an "actual terrorist", and thus a legitimate target?

If your house was bulldozed down, all you ever had destroyed, everyone you ever loved killed, wouldn't you have only one initiative left to live - revenge? Imagine it, being alone, with no food or money, in a hostile world. With no rights. What reason would you have left for living except to take as many of your enemies with you into oblivion?

And the reason this is inapplicable to Israelis as well is...? Have no Israelis been killed by Palestinians in the past 100 years? Again, your "facts" seem rather selective.

Shame on anyone who does not feel sad for the Palestinian people.

Screw you. I pity both of these people. That doesn't mean I'm going to turn a blind eye to the concrete failings of the Palestinian leadership. Shame on you for trying to act as though Israelis are inhuman monsters without feeling or emotion for their own lost children.

Edit: Did you know that an Israeli spy who learned that the USA was selling biological and chemical weapons to Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war, and delivered the information to the Israeli government was captured by the USA and is still illegaly prison?

No, he's not. He was released in April of this year. You're quite good with these facts, aren't you?

Did you know that during one war with the Arab countries an American ship was listening to the Israeli military radio from International Waters and was shot down by American-made Israeli jet-fighters? The incident was somehow kept from going public, although about 200 Americans died.

And there's never been any cases of friendly fire occuring involving the US or another country in the entire history of warfare, right? :rolleyes:

I know all the facts that were given on the subject. Add on from me:

Did you know that before 1948 several Israeli terrorist organizations were founded?

Yep, Menachim Began led one of them that blew up the King David Hotel and killed a lot of Arabs, Brits and even some Israelis. The Israeli government during the War of Independence then cracked down on them and made them illega.

Did you know that they were responsible for the killing of British citizens in an explosion of a British hotel in 1947 (maybe 1946) and that that lead to the British pullout?

the King David Hotel incident referred to above.

Did you know that they systematically wiped out 418 Palestinian villages with either driving the inhabitants out or massacring them, to make way for the "young nation of Israel"? So yeah, of course the Palestinians "chose" to leave and be refugees.

Information I have is that they wiped out ONE Palestinian village in a massacre led by the Irgun (one of those terrorist factions alluded to above) and in return the Arabs wiped out a kibutz later on.... nasty thing war. The remaining Arabs generally fled under the urging of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem but some wree indeed run out, generally out of Haifa.

...Did you know that Israel has "tactical" nuclear weapons and was ready to use them in case Iraq showed hostility in 2003?

Yep, they got the plutonium from the US according to most reports.... although the incident is not widely known in detail because of its classified nature.

Israel has not been constantly attacked and kept winning every time. The Arab countries more or less won the what is called the Yum Kippur War.

The Israelis counterattacked, and came within a few miles of Damascus, and crossed the Suez Canal and encircled an entire Egyptian Army, which saved when the Russians threatened to intervene, the US went of Nuclear alert and everybody got scared shitless and demanded the war stop.

It has attacked several times. For instance, (I cannot remember the date 1960, around that?) Israel kept shelling Jerusalem and eventually took over it,
driving out the Palestinian population.

In 1967, during the Six Day War, King Hussain of Jordan, under pressure by the other Arab governments, declared war on Israel. In three days, the Israelis took the entire West Bank, including Jerusalem. Most of the Arab population of Jerusalem is still there.

Right now terrible crimes and atrocities are being committed by Israel against Palestinian civilians. You see, violence breeds violence. So why do Israelis retaliate not by trying to make negotiations and finding actual terrorists, but by killing and removing civilians from their homes?? If your house was bulldozed down, all you ever had destroyed, everyone you ever loved killed, wouldn't you have only one initiative left to live - revenge? Imagine it, being alone, with no food or money, in a hostile world. With no rights. What reason would you have left for living except to take as many of your enemies with you into oblivion?

The general consensus, even by Amnesty International, is that Israel bulldozes the homes of families who have terrorists in that family. Or Freedom Fighters as you propose... Either way, this is legal under the rules of war.... shooting the families isn't, but then, the Israelis haven't done that.

Shame on anyone who does not feel sad for the Palestinian people.

I feel sorry for the Palestinians, for having poor leadership, and I have met many Palestinians in the US. Its a tragedy, no doubt about it. But there is plenty of blame for the Arabs too.

Edit: Did you know that an Israeli spy who learned that the USA was selling biological and chemical weapons to Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war, and delivered the information to the Israeli government was captured by the USA and is still illegaly prison?

In the US, as in all nations, espionage is considered a crime, and the man was convicted and sentenced under US law. Israel has requested his return since his sentencing and that has been denied.

Did you know that during one war with the Arab countries an American ship was listening to the Israeli military radio from International Waters and was shot down by American-made Israeli jet-fighters? The incident was somehow kept from going public, although about 200 Americans died.

The Liberty Incident, in 1967, was widely reported. In the incident, which has never had an official explanation, 34 Americans were killed, 171 were wounded and one Israeli pilot who refused the mission was arrested by the IDF. However the ship was able to return home although shot up. It was a converted freighter and the Israeli aircraft were French built Mysteres and Mirages, as the US didn't sell aircraft to the Israelis until 1968.