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Computer experts agree --Bush hacked the vote

MKULTRA
06-11-2004, 07:25
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Electronic-Voting Critics Scrutinizing U.S. Election


Publish Date: 4-Nov-2004

A Seattle-based nonprofit organization has announced that it is conducting the largest freedom-of-information action in U.S. history to examine computer voting in the November 2 U.S. election. Bev Harris, a founder of www.blackboxvoting.org/, told the Straight that her group plans to file requests for the internal audit logs of all computerized voting machines used across the country.

"Any system that is counted by computer has the vulnerability that some programmer somewhere, who we don't know, has some sort of proprietary code that we can't review," she alleged.

Harris, author of Black Box Voting: Ballot-Tampering in the 21st Century, said that her group recently obtained records from the King County primary election six weeks ago and discovered that three hours had been deleted from the audit log. "The audit log is like the black box in an airplane," she said. "It automatically generates reports of who got access into the system and the different types of actions they took. So when you have an audit on election night that has had three hours deleted, you've got to raise your eyebrows."

She estimated that 20 million votes were counted using electronic voting machines across the U.S. on November 2. She claimed that one of the biggest risks of tampering occurs when results are sent by telephone modem from polling stations to a central election site.

Harris claimed that it's possible to tamper with results because voting records are copied and stored in different repositories inside the program. "We found that counties didn't realize the access phone number is very sensitive information," she said. "You get that number and you can dial in and control the server."

In July 2003, researchers at Johns Hopkins University and Rice University released a paper alleging that people can access the touch-screen system off-site and vote repeatedly. The manufacturer of the most widely used touch-screen system, Ohio-based Diebold, issued a lengthy technical response on its Web site (www.diebold.com/) on July 25, 2003, offering assurances about its system.

"A continuous or unmonitored internet or modem connection would be necessary in order for last minute or stealth changes to be downloaded to a voting terminal," the company stated at the time. "As installed by Diebold, this voting terminal contains neither. Diebold does not connect its voting terminals to the internet."

Harris said it's "insane" that the U.S. conducts elections without any formal way of auditing the votes. She said that no candidate should concede an election until after this occurs.

She added that her group welcomes any help from Canadians in gathering internal audit logs from the recent U.S. election. "After all, we are your neighbour down here, and we're in trouble," she said.
Altegonia
06-11-2004, 07:47
If by agree, you mean recognize the possibility that it could have happened given a set of conditions which did not exist.
Unfree People
06-11-2004, 07:53
That's definitely enough C&P spam for one night, please.
Ravenclaws
06-11-2004, 08:14
Where in that article does it say that anything was awry? It just said they're checking to see if the election was fair and square.
Sdaeriji
06-11-2004, 08:20
"Experts" rarely agree upon anything.
Jeruselem
06-11-2004, 08:25
I agree about the dodginess of the Diebold voting machines. I'm a programmer and system administrator, the diebold voting system is damn insecure after reading about how their system is implemented. Using pure-modem connections and a less-than-secured Microsoft Access database in voting machines is by my standards an invitation for hacking and manipulation. The system used is primitive and I could not call it "secure" by any means.
Opal Isle
06-11-2004, 08:30
Computer experts agree --Bush hacked the vote
Oh come now. Surely you don't give Bush's intelligence that much credit. He definitely hired someone...
Kelonian States
06-11-2004, 08:57
It's worth noting that computer experts are usually liberal- or libertarian-leaning (look at the amount of support Michael Badnarik got from Slashdot users - the thread they started for questions they would like to ask him in the interview /. got with him got well over 1,000 messages of support, if I remember right, and the rest were very vocal about Kerry) so they're bound to be a little pissed that Bush won.

From there it's easy to assume they're just using that hazy title of 'Computer Expert' to make themselves look authoritative, and bash Bush some more. Please, all the Democrats calling foul on this election, you're only making yourselves look like limp-wristed whiners, and that's only going to make the country swing further towards the Republicans. For the sake of the Democrats/Libertarians/every non-Republican out there, stop it.
Niccolo Medici
06-11-2004, 14:47
...Did I read the article wrong? I would believe a better title might be, "Computer experts agree -- It was possible that the vote was hacked" Because I didn't see any accusations against the president, nor the challenger.

Its theoretically possible that both sides hacked, and one did it better, or that neither side did, or that just the losing side did...and they still lost. Seriously anything is possible with those machines; theoretically they are REALLY easy to hack from what I've heard from my IT friends.
Superpower07
06-11-2004, 14:50
MKULTRA, Bush couldn't have hacked the vote.

Besides, most of the l33+ h4x0rz, as some1 just said are liberal or libertarian
Demented Hamsters
06-11-2004, 15:31
Ahhh, MKULTRA, what would we do without you?
That's definitely enough C&P spam for one night, please.
Forgive my ignorance, but what's C&P?
Yammo
06-11-2004, 15:35
Copy and Paste I assume....


Bring pen and paper ballots back! Easy to count and there is less of a chance of vote tampering
Dobbs Town
06-11-2004, 15:35
That's definitely enough C&P spam for one night, please.

Indeed. What is C&P? I assume you don't...uhhh, buy groceries like cans of Spam there...hyuck, hyuck, hyuck...
Eutrusca
06-11-2004, 15:38
Personally, I would love to see as many recounts and investigations as possible. The honest ones will only prove again and again that the election results remain the same.
Von Witzleben
06-11-2004, 15:44
Computer experts agree --Bush hacked the vote
I don't think Bush can tell a computer apart from a wrist watch.
Demented Hamsters
06-11-2004, 17:42
Copy and Paste I assume....
Bring pen and paper ballots back! Easy to count and there is less of a chance of vote tampering
Thank you. I thought it might mean Conspiracy & Paranoia, considering it was aimed at MKUTRA.
Friedmanville
06-11-2004, 18:31
It's worth noting that computer experts are usually liberal- or libertarian-leaning (look at the amount of support Michael Badnarik got from Slashdot users - the thread they started for questions they would like to ask him in the interview /. got with him got well over 1,000 messages of support, if I remember right, and the rest were very vocal about Kerry) so they're bound to be a little pissed that Bush won.

I'm a libertarian (well, classical liberal, to be more exact) and I think the allegations are a little frivolous. I also work in IT, and even the most brilliant of programmers and system admins are imperfect.
DeaconDave
06-11-2004, 18:57
Computer experts agree --Bush hacked the vote

Doubtless these "experts" are of the same caliber as the ones CBS uses to authenticate memos.