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My best-worst movie list goes:

Wrath of Khan
Undiscovered Country
First Contact
Voyage Home
Nemesis
Search for Spock
Insurrection
Generations
Final Frontier
The Motion Picture

As for Series it goes ironically in order of production
The ORiginal Series
The next generation
DS9
Voyager
Enterprise

amazingly enough i agree with you first pick, though i would go with either voyage home or search for spock as number two, and place undiscovered country near last.

amazingly enough i agree with you first pick, though i would go with either voyage home or search for spock as number two, and place undiscovered country near last.
Voyage Home is more of a comedy than a Sci-Fi. I needed the comic relief though.

"Nuclear Wessles" or just the fact that Kirk accidently sent Checkov onto the USS ENterprise.

The punk on the bus, Spock swimming in the whale tank, LDS!, I can go on forever

As for Series it goes ironically in order of production
The ORiginal Series
The next generation
DS9
Voyager
Enterprise

I kinda agree... Enterprise should be farther into the future... infact, Enterprise should have been set in Andromeda's universe. The Federation falls and its the Enterprise Omega that is pulled out of the singularity to restore the Federation.

Enterprise seems like an attempt to correct all scientific mis-conceptions of the original Series.

Voyager was good untill they could get in contact with the Federation.

DS9 got interesting near the end.

Next Generation was just to full of themselves.

And the original series was about "Exploring strange new worlds"

I kinda agree... Enterprise should be farther into the future... infact, Enterprise should have been set in Andromeda's universe. The Federation falls and its the Enterprise Omega that is pulled out of the singularity to restore the Federation.

Enterprise seems like an attempt to correct all scientific mis-conceptions of the original Series.

Voyager was good untill they could get in contact with the Federation.

DS9 got interesting near the end.

Next Generation was just to full of themselves.

And the original series was about "Exploring strange new worlds"

DS9 was very good, especially when they got into the Dominion Wars. Enterprise doesn't deserve the name Star Trek attached to it. TNG was enjoyed by me. It was the closest to the original series and I enjoyed episodes with the Borg, Klingon civil war, Romulans, Lore, Q, and others.

The original series was a work of art with episodes like "Balance of Terrror" and "Space Seed"

Voyager sucked from the 3rd season on.

I kinda agree... Enterprise should be farther into the future... infact, Enterprise should have been set in Andromeda's universe. The Federation falls and its the Enterprise Omega that is pulled out of the singularity to restore the Federation.

Enterprise seems like an attempt to correct all scientific mis-conceptions of the original Series.

Voyager was good untill they could get in contact with the Federation.

DS9 got interesting near the end.

Next Generation was just to full of themselves.

And the original series was about "Exploring strange new worlds"

I agree with you but you also forgot to mention about Enterprise making the mistake of using the temporal war plot. That's what killed Enterprise for me. It could have been so much better.. we should have seen more Andorians, Catians, Tellarites, etc!

i loved ds9, it was full of flawed characters and wounded angry people. i especially loved quark a true comic heo is the grand tradition in the best episodes, and especially garak, the only real antihero in the star trek universe, so ambiquous and tragic and at times unlikable but ultimately sympathetic.

Enterprise doesn't deserve the name Star Trek attached to it.

And, ironically, for a while it didn't have the name Star Trek attached to it.

i loved ds9, it was full of flawed characters and wounded angry people. i especially loved quark a true comic heo is the grand tradition in the best episodes, and especially garak, the only real antihero in the star trek universe, so ambiquous and tragic and at times unlikable but ultimately sympathetic.

Gul Dukat was the most fully realized villian in all of the Star Trek universe. TOS and TNG were full of temporary, three or four episode bad guys, or less, who went away and left our minds. Dukat was there from day one, and he was developed as a character the same way the main characters were, to the point where you honestly felt bad for him at times and you could see how he was a real person, not just a caricature.

As for my first to worst list:

First Contact
Wrath of Khan
Undiscovered Country
Voyage Home
Search for Spock
Generations
Insurrection
Nemesis
Motion Picture
Final Frontier

The Undiscovered Country is the best, IMO. It would be a tie between that and the Wrath of Khan, but TUD was the first movie I ever went to see in a theater, so it holds a special place in my movie-loving heart.


Edit: Now that I think about it, Final Frontier did have one thing going for it: how many people do you know would yell at God, to His face? :P

As for Series it goes ironically in order of production
The ORiginal Series
The next generation
DS9
Voyager
Enterprise

I would go:

DS9, TNG, TOS, gouging my eyes out with a rusty razor blade, sticking my genitals in a meat grinder, Voyager, Enterprise.

Wrath of Khan
Search for Spock
Undiscovered Country
Voyage Home
The Motion Picture
Generations
Final Frontier
First Contact
Nemesis
Insurrection


I know everyone hates the first film (Star Trek: The Motion Picture), but I actually think it's really underrated.

Wrath of Khan
Search for Spock
Undiscovered Country
Voyage Home
The Motion Picture
Generations
Final Frontier
First Contact
Nemesis
Insurrection


I know everyone hates the first film (Star Trek: The Motion Picture), but I actually think it's really underrated.

I hate Final Frontier. Biggest pile of horseshit I've ever had the displeasure of viewing.

I picked Wrath of Khan... however it was close with First Contact.... If I were to order them by prefference....

1. Wrath of Khan
2. First Contact
3. Undiscovered Country
4. Nemisis
5. Voyage Home
6. Generations
7. Insurrection
8. The Motion Picture
9. The Search for Spock
10. Final Frontier.

In Series

1. TNG
2. TOS
3. DS9
4. VOY
5. ENT

I know everyone hates the first film (Star Trek: The Motion Picture), but I actually think it's really underrated.

That's because Star Trek: The Motion Picture was suppose to be the Pilot for STAR TREK 2 the series. When the new series went bust, they buffed up the story, added alot of scenes and overstuffed it with Special Effects. Unfortunatly, they used too much Special Effects that it distracted the viewers from the story and overwhelmed the senses.

Oh yeah. it also had those form fitting leotard like suits... there is just some things Scotty and Kirk just should *NOT* wear.

Other than that... I liked it.

i especially loved quark a true comic heo is the grand tradition in the best episodes, and especially garak, the only real antihero in the star trek universe, so ambiquous and tragic and at times unlikable but ultimately sympathetic.
Whoa! When was Garak ever unlikable? Every word out of his mouth was a thing of beauty.
"You would shoot a man in the back?"
"Well, that IS the safest way."

I personally liked Nemesis. Bringing the crew of Voyager and Next gen was a great idea, too bad they didn't bring in someone form DS9 (other then Worf). I also liked The Undiscovered Country, it was good to see Sulu and the Excelsior

By the way, has anyone seen the new Enterprise with Bret Spinner?

i cried when data died in nemesis. :'(

Whoa! When was Garak ever unlikable? Every word out of his mouth was a thing of beauty.
"You would shoot a man in the back?"
"Well, that IS the safest way."

Bashir: So of the stories you told me, which ones were true?
Garak: My dear doctor, all of them were true.
Bashir: What about the lies?
Garak: Especially the lies.


Bashir: Well, I guess this means the end of our Starfleet careers.
Garak: Well, I wouldn't worry about that, Doctor.
Dax: That's easy for you to say.
Garak: Oh, you misunderstand me, Lieutenant. All I meant was, it's a little foolish to worry about your careers at a time like this, when there's a good chance we're all about to be killed.

Bashir: They broke seven of your transverse ribs and fractured your clavicle!
Garak: Ah, but I got off several cutting remarks which no doubt did serious damage to their egos.

Bashir: They broke seven of your transverse ribs and fractured your clavicle!
Garak: Ah, but I got off several cutting remarks which no doubt did serious damage to their egos.

hahahahahahaha!

i need to watch more ds9 episodes...

too bad i don't have cable :(

Me: Enterprise (sorry, what can I say? - the stylism is completely different)
Voyager
Next Gen
Star Trek
The crappy one

hahahahahahaha!

i need to watch more ds9 episodes...

too bad i don't have cable :(

My friend spent the $700 to get all seven seasons on DVD, and I borrow them all the time. I've probably gone throught the whole series 15 or 20 times by now.

Well, I actually like Search For Spock the best, followed by Wrath of Khan.

Search For Spock had some great lines. Who could forget the elevator saying "Floor please?" , Scotty saying "Bridge, elevator saying "Thank you", and then Scotty saying "Up your shaft."

Great movie.

"You Klingnon bastard you killed my son!"

One word.

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

As for series:

TNG and DS9 are both > you. Doesn't matter who you are.

TOS is a bit camp, but it got its philosophy on. And for the 60s (or heck, even now) that's what matters.

Voyager became utterly forgettable sometime near the end of the third season, and I think I could stand maybe 3 episodes of Enterprise despite the setting and gadget factor.

That and the fact that technology on Enterprise looked more powerful and effective than any other member of the series (with the possible exception of Cardassian systems) kept slapping me in the face with disbelief.

Whoa! When was Garak ever unlikable? Every word out of his mouth was a thing of beauty.
"You would shoot a man in the back?"
"Well, that IS the safest way."

when garak finally returned to the ruins of cardassia, with everything and everyone he ever cared about destroyed, all his dreams unfufilled and victory turned to ash in his mouth, it broke my heart.

as i watched ds9, i like his character alot, but only once it was over did i realize he was the greatest character on the show, he's the one i tend to dwell upon if i start thinking about the show.

The Undiscovered Country is the best, IMO. It would be a tie between that and the Wrath of Khan, but TUD was the first movie I ever went to see in a theater, so it holds a special place in my movie-loving heart.


Edit: Now that I think about it, Final Frontier did have one thing going for it: how many people do you know would yell at God, to His face? :P

although far from my favorite, I did love the line in Final Frontier when Kirk asked why God needed a starship.... one of his best moments!

My favorites are Wrath of Khan, First Contact, Voyage Home, and Generations, the rest I could take or leave, although the best Klingon ever was Christopher Lloyd, one of the few redeeming features of Search for Spock (along with the Space dock sequence)... having seen all of the movies countless times, those four are the only ones I will stop channel surfing to pay attention too

"KHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!" etc :D

Wrath of Khan!

No cling-ons on me ;)

Oh yes, I'm Star War-er too ... now where's that Vader character gone :)

Greetings to All and Sundry,

Yes, sadly I can say that I’ve seen all of the Star Trek Motion Pictures. I liked Wrath of Khan and First Contact the best out of all of them. I’m also one of the few people who probably really liked the 1st Movie (the plot they regurgitated to make the really stupid one with the whales coming this time). I really, really didn’t like Movies 3-5 or Insurrection (which was really just way too self indulgent even for the hard core geeks out there). I also thought Nemesis had great potential but was mostly way too overdone to be the best of the Trekkie Movies. I think they spent most of their time in later NextGen movies trying to belittle the Worf character to make Riker look better. Besides I like Babylon 5 (everyone knows DS9 was a rip off of B5) and Farscape better anyways. I really don’t think too much of the Enterprise series (they started strong and then by the end of the 1st season the continuity director and writers began taking crack or something). I’d list the Trekkie films in order as:

First Contact
Wrath of Khan
Undiscovered Country
Generations
StarTrek: the Motion Picture

Really Bad from here on in:

Nemesis
Insurrection
The Voyage Home
Search for Spock (cheapen a great death scene why don’t they)
Final Frontier


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The Green and Pleasant Dominion of The Bruce

I think the Undiscovered Country was the best just by its meaning.

The Wrath of Khan, the star-ship battles alone make it better than the rest.

Granted it's not a Movie, but I think the book FEDERATION would've made a better movie than GENERATIONS...

Zephram Cochrane, Kirk and his Enterprise, and Picard and his Enterprise fighting together with only their belief in the FEDERATION to help them with thier goal.

Of course the whole Zephram Cochrane thing would've been repeated in First Contact.

Is so strange knowing that Zephrame Cochrane is the same person as the farmer from 'Babe'. :D

Best for me is First Contact. By the time I got really hooked on to Star Trek, the first generation was too old (spoiled by better special effects) for me to watch..

However Wrath of Khan is not bad, I wonder what happend to that technology to make the sun thingy, whether they scrapped it because it was too dangerous, or it's used as a Federation secret weapon? One of those nightmarish solar system destroying weapons. :D

Is so strange knowing that Zephrame Cochrane is the same person as the farmer from 'Babe'. :D

Best for me is First Contact. By the time I got really hooked on to Star Trek, the first generation was too old (spoiled by better special effects) for me to watch..

However Wrath of Khan is not bad, I wonder what happend to that technology to make the sun thingy, whether they scrapped it because it was too dangerous, or it's used as a Federation secret weapon? One of those nightmarish solar system destroying weapons. :D

They only had One Genesis Torpedeo and all the data was in the control unit on the Reliant when it blew up. Besides most the people who knew the process was killed by the end of Search for Spock. Carol Marcus was killed/hurt in the book adaptation of Undescovered Country. and the Project was scrapped when the Genesis Planet Blew up due to the unstable elements used. WHEW.

Ah thanks for the info. It's all way too far back for me.

BTW did you see DS9's Trials and Tribbleations?

Wrath of Khan people? Yeah, it was decent enough, but surely not the best?

My list is as follows-

First Contact (best film ever)
Generations (good indepth plot, but seeming more like a long episode than a film)
Insurrection (also good, but slow in places)
Voyage Home (going to the 60's to rescue some whales to save earth? a little unlikely even by OS standards, but ultimately fun)
Undiscovered Country (the war for peace, classic)
Wrath of Kahn (good, particularly at end, although not quite enough merit to put it into the top spots)
Nemisis (some nice features, but not an excellent film, plus a rather rubbish ending)
Search for Spock (I found this one kinda boring, although it's ok in its own way)
Final Frontier (not Startrek's crowning moment)
Motion(less) Picture (*gazes into space* duuhhhh...)

As for Nemesis' rubbish ending, there was a deleted scene they were going to put on the end which was way better. You see the new first officer, the captain's chair get's a seatbelt (About time) and the last line is Picard saying "Set course for the (somethingorother) system... it's somewhere where no-one has gone before."
That'd make a much better ending than looking at a wrecked Enterprise in a starbase.

And for Series...

DS9 (fantastic, especially the last couple of series, although Jadzia's death was the lowest point there, Ezri has nothing on her)
Next Generation (the best generic series, as it were, with some excellent plots and superb character development)
Voyager (very good, but not quite matching up to TNG)
The Original Series (Good characters, but the plots were mostly trite)
Enterprise (You're starfleet officers, fearless and mighty, but you're still scared of a f***ing transporter?)

Mikorlias of Imardeavia

So last night I put on the last episode featured on the season one DVD of TOS - "Operation - Annihilate!", and I couldn't help but wonder whatever became of Kirk's orphaned nephew, Peter.

I think I recall there was some mention of Peter in the Trek novels, but Paramount has never seemed to consider the novels as 'real', even when the written stories far outshine what the series writers come up with, or at least seem to take greater care where overall continuity is concerned. I think this is why 'Enterprise' has been struggling, Paramount execs have been a little too cavalier with internal consistencies within Trek.

Take Zephram Cochrane (I've seen a few referrences to him on the thread so far), how his back-story was completely mangled to accomodate 'First Contact' - arguably a good movie, but it invalidated an original episode 'Metamorphosis', as well as all the novels that drew upon that original episode.

If you'll recall, the Enterprise finds Cochrane, famed engineer and pioneer of the warp-drive from Alpha Centauri, alive on an asteroid where he's been cared for by an energy being for many decades. With the information gleaned from that episode, some wonderful novels were written, dealing with the early years of the Federation.

It was established that a pre-warp manned mission from Earth to Alpha Centauri made first contact there with an only slightly more technologically advanced species of human, and with Cochrane's discovery of warp-drive, contact with non-human species on Vulcan, Tellar, and Andor soon followed. cochrane left known space at some point in those early years, though I can't recall if it was before the establishment of the Federation or not.

I laughed and had a good time with Cochrane in 'First Contact', but it pained me that Berman and co. seemed to have so little respect for TOS while at the same time rather obviously trying to curry favour from the fans by throwing in campy verbal references to Kirk's old "Space...the Final Frontier" speech from the opening credits of TOS.

Okay, so much for continuity/early Trek conundrums. Where to go from where they're currently at? I say validate TOS by expanding on events that occurred on TOS, or characters/species.

If I were to bring back a villain, or a certain species from TOS, for the purposes of a major motion picture or perhaps a new series set after the events of 'Voyager', it'd have to be the Kelvins.

An aggressive expansionist monoculture from an overcrowded, irradiated Andromeda galaxy, the Kelvins have advanced scouting parties to other galaxies in search of new real estate. Well into the story,Spock reports that the Kelvins are actually immense beings posessing hundreds of highly specialized tentacle-like appendages.

Of course, you were never going to get the chance to see anything as sophisticated as that on TOS, so they came up with a reason why the Kelvins should look like guys in jumpsuits, with the requisite babe-in-spaceboots in tow.

I had this vision a couple of years back for an opening scene - a Starfleet training mission out at the galactic rim encountering the first waves of migrant colonial vessels from Kelva, huuuuge craft filled to bursting with emotionless, giant tentacled aliens who barely register the presence of the Federation vessels, stations, colonies and outposts as they establish a permanent prescence in the Milky Way.

Not a villain that could be neatly tucked away at the end of the story, the Kelvins could be used to change the one thing that has plagued every version of Trek since TNG: that would be the status quo. Let's face it, Trek's status quo is pretty snoozy, and nothing really seems to change it perceptibly. 'Enterprise' has tried nicely to do so, but with limited results - and besides, as the series go, the current one has far greater constraints placed on it by virtue of being a prequel.

Anybody have a species/character/event from TOS they'd like to see again in an updated form like I've outlined? I'd like to hear from you!

DT.

I suggest you read Federation. I think you'll enjoy it. IMHO, it's should've been the "Generations" movie.

I suggest you read Federation. I think you'll enjoy it. IMHO, it's should've been the "Generations" movie.

JuNii, thanks for the heads up. My SO was a Trekker through-and-through when we first met, and I've read all the novels (up until about 'Doctor's Orders'), but I'm having trouble recalling 'Federation'...was it more recent than the novel I mentioned?

My SO's collection also includes most of the books printed prior to ST:TMP, and I think the most memorable story was one involving a planetful of hallucinatory butterflies. Definitely not considered part of the overall Trek canon.

I've had a great love of Trek, but a much more deeply-abiding love of written SF in general. Trek I've always considered a good way to introduce people to SF, but in and of itself, Trek is not usually top-knotch stuff. For me, it was a way to fill in those times when I didn't have a good book on hand, and for the most part, still is.

Have any favourite authors outside of Trek, JuNii?

One of my favorite parts of The Motion Picture, was getting to see the new, totally reworked Enterprise from every angle imaginable, over the course of 5 or more minutes...

Truly, a scene only a Trekkie can make it through :D

So is anybody here going "to boldy go where no man has gone before"?

first contact by a lightyear

granted TWOK was and is a classic, FC was an emotional ride filled with great acting and the best trek villan ever.

I personally loved The Voyage Home.

I just love the part when Scotty tries to work the computer.

*holds mouse like a microphone* "Hello computer."

Though I agree the Final Frontier was a dud overall, it had some of the best Scotty lines.
"USS Enterprise, shakedown cruise report. This new ship must have been put together by monkeys! She's got a fine engine, but half the doors won't open!"

Another great Scotty moment:

"What are ye standing around for??? Can't ye tell a jailbreak when ye see one???"


Computer: "Re-re-red alert"

Scotty: "I just fixed that damn thing!"

Question for 'hard core' trekkies: Do you like the new series ('Enterprise') or is it just too much?

(just to clarify I'm not a trekkie and haven't seen almost anything of the Universe except a couple of movies)

I had this vision a couple of years back for an opening scene - a Starfleet training mission out at the galactic rim encountering the first waves of migrant colonial vessels from Kelva, huuuuge craft filled to bursting with emotionless, giant tentacled aliens who barely register the presence of the Federation vessels, stations, colonies and outposts as they establish a permanent prescence in the Milky Way.

Tentacled aliens? :eek: That opens up the door for some perverted stuff.

i cried when data died in nemesis. :'(
My brother's favorite TNG character was Data. Mine was Riker as he reminds me of Kirk in many ways. Seeing how some reacted to Data's death, I wonder what the reactions were at the end of Khan when Spock died. I saw Search for Spock when I was five years old and before watching Khan so seeing Wrath of Khan had no effect on me in terms of that. If anyone saw Khan when they were already big Star Trek fans and had no idea of him coming back to life, please tell me how you reacted.

I am one of those weird, strange people who enjoyed Voyager the most out of all the series.

The next generation was good, and DS9 Ok, but I can take or leave the original series. Main reason for that is I hate the character of Kirk. That man has an ego bigger than Ben Hur, and it really gets on my nerves. Enterprise is a complete load of crap. Tried watching it, but gave up after about 10 episodes.

My movies list, from favorite to worst...

The voyage home (we actually got to see good roles for the "lesser" crew members).
First Contact
Insurection
The undiscovered country
Generations
The motion picture ( I quite like this movie, the ones above it were just better).
The wrath of Khan
Search for Spock
Nemisis (this movie was a huge disappointment)
Final Frontier (yawn)

I like most the series "The next generation".

space... the final frontier, these are the voyages of the starship enterrpise

Tentacled aliens? :eek: That opens up the door for some perverted stuff.

OHHHH Naughty tentacles.... heh heh heh :p

OHHHH Naughty tentacles.... heh heh heh :p
Watch out Deanna!!!!

Watch out Deanna!!!!

Deanna: Captain... I Feel... Something....

[I'll leave it right there and let the mind take over.]

I've always loved Star Trek, and my favorite movie is Nemesis, just because it finally cleared up a lot of loose ends, IMHO, from the The Next Generation series.

OHHHH Naughty tentacles.... heh heh heh

Yes, some creepy opportunities for CGI. :eek:

And yet another Anime joke makes it into Star Trek The Next Generation! :D

And yet another Anime joke makes it into Star Trek The Next Generation!

Yes, like the Akira class starships. I think they should make a Ghost in the Shell class ship or maybe a Trigun class.

Have to say my favorite series was Deep Space Nine. It's the only series with real continuity.

*cough* Voyager and the 1,000 shuttlecrafts *cough*

Theres some real character development as well in DS9. The Jazia/Ezri Dax transition was awkward but amusing.

There are a few holodeck-accident (horror) episodes, but nothing too over the top.

Oh, loved it when Nog lost his leg in "The siege of AR-353". Ferangi sure can scream when they lose their legs.

Love the diplomacy/politics/back-stabbing elements in it.

Like when Garak the tailor planted the bomb on the Romulan Senator's shuttle, to draw the Romulan Star Empire into the Dominion War and save the Federation.

Or when Kira led a collection of antique Bajorian ships to play political 'chicken' with a Romulan Task Force.

Best damn ST series by far IMHO.

has q been on the current star trek and if not can we expect him

*cough* Voyager and the 1,000 shuttlecrafts *cough*
Lets not forget the Endless supply of Torpedoes.

Lets not forget the Endless supply of Torpedoes.
and the endless supply of food for the replicators, endless phaser charge, supply of "red shirts", medical gear, etc.

and the endless supply of food for the replicators, endless phaser charge, supply of "red shirts", medical gear, etc.

The idea was that they could replicate all those things. That's why during the first few seasons they actually concentrated on storylines that occured because of their search for whatever that crap was that they needed to replicate stuff. Most of the episodes in the first few seasons started because they got their asses in trouble while looking for that stuff they needed.

What I don't understand is how there was any sort of crew outside the main characters by the end. It's not like they could get fresh Academy graduates to replace the people they killed every week.

and the endless supply of food for the replicators, endless phaser charge, supply of "red shirts", medical gear, etc.

I'll admit they did explain the replicators in the first season. Nelix was concerned that their dependance on the Replicators would prove disasterous should they break down or empty. So he canablized Janeways private eating quarters and turned the Mess Deck into a cafeteria where he cooks for the crew. There were times where he was shown teaching others to cook... so when he started going on 'Away' missions, others probably took shifts in the mess deck. There were times where they showed Janeway and crew bartering for food supplies.

The replicators were still used for food, just not as much since Nelix opened the kitchen.

i cried when data died in nemesis. :'(

Some of us prefer to block such memories from our minds.
Or better still pretend that it was B4 that died and that Data is still alive and well aboard the USS Enterprise.

Some of us prefer to block such memories from our minds.
Or better still pretend that it was B4 that died and that Data is still alive and well aboard the USS Enterprise.

Yes. After all, it's well demonstrated that Data can mimic B4 (such as when he infiltrated Shinzon's flagship). Alas, it was Data that died, though I doubt it matters because Nemesis was almost certainly the last Star Trek movie to star the TNG cast.

Yes. After all, it's well demonstrated that Data can mimic B4 (such as when he infiltrated Shinzon's flagship). Alas, it was Data that died, though I doubt it matters because Nemesis was almost certainly the last Star Trek movie to star the TNG cast.
I hope they make a DS9 movie. The possibilities are endless. *dreams of 2nd Dominion War*

bump for Star Trek

"You sir, are in the position of demanding nothing"
"From's hell's heart, I stab at thee"
"And how is my old friend, Captain Kirk?"

Nothing beats Ricardo Montebaln as Khan, especially Loucious of Borg.

"nce you eliminate all that is impossible, whatever remains no matter how probable must be the truth." Spock

"Quick bone," [does the Vulcan salute] "how many fingers am I holding up?"