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I was thinking about how religious people, sometime can´t get that things written in the bible are just symbolic.
Like, when peter gives up being an apostole after jesus died, he sees that jesus came back to life and then he starts spreading the word again, like, people don´t get that this is a symbolism to "don´t matter that I died, because as long as you are spreading my teachings, I will be alive", instead, they actually believe that the guy who was crucified suddenly got better and started walk around with big holes in his hand.
So, I gote some quotes from rock bands that we all now that are symbolic to see how the fundies would react to them in the bible.

"We all live in a yellow submarine" (beatles) - People would think that the blue sky is actually water and the "earth is blue" sentence said by this russian astronaut would be a "communist tatic to destroy our religion" because, if the bible says the world is yellow, then it is!!

"There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold/And she's buying a stairway to heaven" (led zeppelin) - Glitter would be an important material in rituals, people would wear clothes full of it to show how their faith is strong, after all, glitter is god´s money, because it can actually buy a stairway to heaven! Of course, wars would be fought, so no other culture in the world could produce glitter, after all, it´s sacred.

"With the lights out/It´s less dangerous" (nirvana) - we would sleep at day and work at night and wars would be fought against people who works at day, after all, they would be dangerous people!

"No time to search the world around\Cause you know where I'll be found\When I come around" (green day) - Actually, I believe jesus says something like this...

Anyway, if you have something to say about this, go ahead and add more lyrics that would cause culture changes if they were in the bible. It may be fun!

"Don't wanna be an American Idiot"

- Green Day


Umm.....no wait, this is straight-forward.

The bible is as a load of symbolism, most of Jesus teachings were parables and symbols, not real life examples when he described heaven. Taking all of the bible literally is dangerous.

I have never spoken out before against your rantings about Christians, but I will say this my dear friends:

Even as I care for you, I know that the Holy Bible is the Word, is the Truth. While I understand and am glad to see that everyone has his and/or her own opinion, I know that none can break the Word which is Lord God.

May you be Blessed.

The bible is as a load of symbolism, most of Jesus teachings were parables and symbols, not real life examples when he described heaven. Taking all of the bible literally is dangerous.
Hehe... It's kind of funny, it wasn't until I was about 10 or so that I realized people even took the whole "immaculate conception" story literally. I always thought the idea was that it wasn't "sinful" or whatever because God had told them to have a child, and it didn't occur to me at first that people actually thought Mary gave birth without ever having sex.

I have never spoken out before against your rantings about Christians, but I will say this my dear friends:

Even as I care for you, I know that the Holy Bible is the Word, is the Truth. While I understand and am glad to see that everyone has his and/or her own opinion, I know that none can break the Word which is Lord God.

May you be Blessed.



Do you believe EVERY verse, every story is literal or maybe symbolic?

I have never spoken out before against your rantings about Christians, but I will say this my dear friends:

Even as I care for you, I know that the Holy Bible is the Word, is the Truth. While I understand and am glad to see that everyone has his and/or her own opinion, I know that none can break the Word which is Lord God.

May you be Blessed.

How in the world do you know that the Bible is the truth?

I have never spoken out before against your rantings about Christians, but I will say this my dear friends:

Even as I care for you, I know that the Holy Bible is the Word, is the Truth. While I understand and am glad to see that everyone has his and/or her own opinion, I know that none can break the Word which is Lord God.

May you be Blessed.

This is not a critic saying that the bible is false, I´m only saying it´s symbolic. I tought of this thread after reading an Joseph Campbell book, you should do it too, as he is a famous mythologist (that word exists? Sorry, english is not my mother language) and he is very good at explaining symbols in bible, don´t get me wrong, I think that the bible is beautiful book, but then again, when a guy walks over water and someone jumps in to do the same and drown, because he´s not faithful enough, it is symbolic saying like "going to church and having a bible under your arms don´t means you have faith, jumping into the water is not enough, you have to believe", it´s not like the guy ACTUALLY walked above the water line...

I know that the Holy Bible is the Word, is the Truth.
How? Personally I don't maintain that I really know anything, except that I myself exist in some form or another. Most of the rest is a leap of faith, and I act as if what I see strong evidence of is true, but "know" is a pretty strong word.

It's funny how atheists can claim the virgin birth and the resurrection are impossible, and then turn around to say that life spontaneously formed from chemicals.

How in the world do you know that the Bible is the truth?

He have faith, and this christian faith to me is the most efficient marketing strategy in history. "don´t believe that coke is good, people may say so, but they are being manipulated! Drink pepsi!"

I think that the bible is beautiful book, but then again, when a guy walks over water and someone jumps in to do the same and drown, because he´s not faithful enough, it is symbolic saying like "going to church and having a bible under your arms don´t means you have faith, jumping into the water is not enough, you have to believe", it´s not like the guy ACTUALLY walked above the water line...
I recall reading somewhere (don't recall where, but I'll try to google it) that the "walking on water" thing was the result of some garbled translation from Aramaic to Greek to Latin to English (somewhere along the line), and that it actually just meant he was walking beside the water. Could be complete BS though, as I don't remember the source.

It's funny how atheists can claim the virgin birth and the resurrection are impossible, and then turn around to say that life spontaneously formed from chemicals.
I don't claim to know how life formed, but I think it's silly to assume that you know how it did. Although I'm sure you weren't talking about me, because I'm an agnostic: For all I know, there is a god, and he created life, but there are so many possibilities that it would be ridiculous to assume that anyone knows how it really happened.

Well, modern translators try to work from the earliest manuscipts possible, so it wouldn't be a result of that. Especially not from Latin.

Your insistence that these passages are figurative obviously stems from your stubborn faith in materialism.

I recall reading somewhere (don't recall where, but I'll try to google it) that the "walking on water" thing was the result of some garbled translation from Aramaic to Greek to Latin to English (somewhere along the line), and that it actually just meant he was walking beside the water. Could be complete BS though, as I don't remember the source.

Wich would make a nice teaching as well, again, it´s symbolism, but jesus asking someone to walk above water (because he did, regardless the fact that he was doing the same or not) it´s like buda saying that you have to reach the nirvana, you can´t actually walk over the water, move a mountain or reach the nirvana, this means that you will never be perfect and means that you are never faithful enough, wich is supposed to make people never stop working on the evolution of the spirit. If someone actually reached the nirvana, then he would stop trying to evolve (because that´s the objective of budism) and if someone stops to evolve, religion (all of them) loses all sense of purpose.

Ah, so this is Christianity interpreted via Buddhism.

Your insistence that these passages are figurative obviously stems from your stubborn faith in materialism.

Actually, I think it´s the opposite, because when you start reading the bible as the spiritual bibliography of jesus, you are being spiritual, you are honestly trying to learn his message, you are trying to evolve in a spiritual way; now, when you honestly think that the guy woke up and started to walk around with 2 big holes in his hands, you are obviously not paying atention to his message and you are being materialistic as you cannot comprehend that it was his spirit that ressurected, not his flesh.

http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank.mv

Not really on topic but quite funny none the less.

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http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank.mv

Not really on topic but quite funny none the less.

:headbang:



"That's crazy shit, kissing Hank's ass for a million bucks" :rolleyes:.

You are aware of other parts of the Bible where it says Jesus was resurrected, right?

Ah, so this is Christianity interpreted via Buddhism.

Kinda, you know, the same symbols repeat over and over through mankind, the life of Sidarta (buda) and the life of Jesus have much much in common, for starters, he was also born from a virgin, as most gods from ancient greece were born from virgins, the difference is that budists focus on the messages, while christian focus on the historical accuracy of facts.

Even as I care for you, I know that the Holy Bible is the Word, is the Truth. While I understand and am glad to see that everyone has his and/or her own opinion, I know that none can break the Word which is Lord God.

May you be Blessed.

Wow Anagonia you're a popular quote. But really...i recommend that you read Hume. David Hume, a good philosopher and might get you to open your mind a bit, cus he ripped the Word a new one... sorry...

I wish i had a good song quote how about, "I'm not a slave to a God that doesn't exist!!" Marilyn Manson. :D

But seriously, the Bible should say that the most important part of your life is your personal relationship with God. In other words, its yours. Keep it to yourself stop acting so high and mighty, "for we all look though a glass darkly" 1Cor 13:12 (paraphrase not direct) Meaning that we all will not know truth until we look God in the face. So we're all in the same boat and should show each other respect, like all major religions preach. Tolerance, faithfulness and love should promoted a bit more by the Bible and the Church.

Peace

Guess the thing I read earlier was either BS, or just isn't widely accepted, because I couldn't find it (not on google, at least). I did, however, find this: http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/j/je/jesus_as_christ_and_messiah.html
It's got some interesting stuff in the "Differences in Interpretation" section.

I'm amazed by the sheer number of people that take a Belief that works on faith (NOT PROOF) and twist it around to claim they KNOW it is the only way.

Yet they miss the countless references in their good book to how they are the flock (of mindless sheep) being led by a Shepherd (he who only tells them what they can understand) through the world. Sometimes, the world is a danger to the flock, but sometimes it can be a place of growth. However, supposedly the Shepherd is the only one in the know.

I have no desire to be part of a flock.

And I know not why anyone else would desire it either.

It's funny how atheists can claim the virgin birth and the resurrection are impossible, and then turn around to say that life spontaneously formed from chemicals.

It's funny how religionists can pooh-pooh the scientific study of the universe and all the theories and experiments carried out to attempt to prove or disprove these theories, yet instantly believe in a magical person in the sky because their parents/pastor/other peer group tells them to "have faith" in a book of dubious origin and translation.

That argument works both ways.