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I wont go into all the details but if you hate Bush and most Republicans, blame this guy. He started the whole thing, of course the idea came up, but when he was elected they got more attention and when he was re-elected the Republican party was there to stay.

I wont go into all the details but if you hate Bush and most Republicans, blame this guy. He started the whole thing, of course the idea came up, but when he was elected they got more attention and when he was re-elected the Republican party was there to stay.

wow thats impressive. Mankind drops another notch. Well done have taken us to new low.

I'm sorry, but the Republican party of 1860 was very different from the Republican party of today.

I wont go into all the details but if you hate Bush and most Republicans, blame this guy. He started the whole thing, of course the idea came up, but when he was elected they got more attention and when he was re-elected the Republican party was there to stay.
The Republican party back then stood for much different ideals than now!

EDIT: Whoa, Roach, you beat me to it!

(in before potential flamefest and lock)

The Republican party back then stood for much different ideals than now!

EDIT: Whoa, Roach, you beat me to it!

(in before potential flamefest and lock)

Whereas now, the Republican Party doesn't even stand for It's own ideals. Hehehe.

yeah, so ending slavery and the civil war wasn't good either. he did more for equality than any president before or after him. how can you not like him?

yeah, so ending slavery and the civil war wasn't good either. he did more for equality than any president before or after him. how can you not like him?
Well, there's no reason not to like Lincoln- unless, of course, you happen to be black, or Irish, or of any real recent immigrant stock, or just happen to be fond of the idea of 'equality'- freeing slaves and giving people rights are hardly the same thing. But aside from that, there's no reason to hate Lincoln- unless, of course, you don't like income taxes (yep, it was a Republican who started the whole thing!). But aside from those few, petty grievances, everyone loves Lincoln- except those of us who aren't fond of conscription.

Want me to keep going?

why wouldnt black people like lincoln? he free'd them from slavery..

I wont go into all the details but if you hate Bush and most Republicans, blame this guy. He started the whole thing, of course the idea came up, but when he was elected they got more attention and when he was re-elected the Republican party was there to stay.

Check your Political History! The republican party DID NOT start under Abe Lincoln. He was just the 1st Republican President.

yeah, so ending slavery and the civil war wasn't good either. he did more for equality than any president before or after him. how can you not like him?

If you think the civil war was fought over slavery than you dont know jack shit. The civil war was fought over keeping the union together. There were states in the Union that Lincoln allowed to keep slaves, and when the south wanted to secede, Lincoln said, whoa dont leave you can keep your slaves, they said that wasnt the issue. He made a speech clearly saying that he didnt care about the slaves, and when and if they were freed he wanted to send them to Liberia.

(in before potential flamefest and lock)Let's make something clear here. You do not have the authority to judge if a certain thread will be locked or not, and your repeated comments in this vien are not only unconstructive, but getting annoying. Please... don't do it.

Unfree People
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Let's make something clear here. You do not have the authority to judge if a certain thread will be locked or not, and your repeated comments in this vien are not only unconstructive, but getting annoying. Please... don't do it.

Unfree People
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He got a post in and then gets shot down! Now that's Irony. :D

Well, there's no reason not to like Lincoln- unless, of course, you happen to be black, or Irish, or of any real recent immigrant stock, or just happen to be fond of the idea of 'equality'- freeing slaves and giving people rights are hardly the same thing.

Why stop with Lincoln on that point? Could always go back to the founding fathers who declared all men are created equal while they kept slaves at home.

If you think the civil war was fought over slavery than you dont know jack shit. The civil war was fought over keeping the union together. There were states in the Union that Lincoln allowed to keep slaves, and when the south wanted to secede, Lincoln said, whoa dont leave you can keep your slaves, they said that wasnt the issue. He made a speech clearly saying that he didnt care about the slaves, and when and if they were freed he wanted to send them to Liberia.
okay, so lincoln helped keep the country united! the only reason i can see that any of you hate him is because he's republican, and that shows a lot about your character. i wont personally attack you more than that, and i appologize for even THAT, but i'm republican, and i dont dislike preisdents over their political party. i judge it by what they stood for and what they did. lincoln did a good job in my view, if you think differently, thats great, i have no problem. but to me, lincoln was a great president.

okay, so lincoln helped keep the country united! the only reason i can see that any of you hate him is because he's republican, and that shows a lot about your character. i wont personally attack you more than that, and i appologize for even THAT, but i'm republican, and i dont dislike preisdents over their political party. i judge it by what they stood for and what they did. lincoln did a good job in my view, if you think differently, thats great, i have no problem. but to me, lincoln was a great president.

Not to mention that he IS RATED as one of the best Presidents we ever had.

Why stop with Lincoln on that point? Could always go back to the founding fathers who declared all men are created equal while they kept slaves at home.

You are right, it is a process, I agree that it wasnt very good (here in brasil at least, it was badly done, like, people were free, but without food, job or home), but it was a start, up to today, americans don´t see immigrants (for example) as equals, so, the process is still going.

He got a post in and then gets shot down! Now that's Irony. :D
I'm not shooting anyone, I just object to the widespread mentality of "look, here's a problem thread, let's contribute to the problem".

I'm not shooting anyone, I just object to the widespread mentality of "look, here's a problem thread, let's contribute to the problem".

I know but the fact that he did that then you stated what you said to him and not the starter of the thread is Ironic to me :D

the only reason i can see that any of you hate him is because he's republican, and that shows a lot about your character.
Okay, a couple things: First, most Democrats don't have a problem with Lincoln. Second, not everyone who does have a problem with Lincoln is a Democrat. Back in those days, the Democrats were for smaller government, something that the Republican party stood for until very recently (and for all I know still claims to stand for, although I can't see how they could do that with a straight face).

Back in those days, the Democrats were for smaller government, something that the Republican party stood for until very recently (and for all I know still claims to stand for, although I can't see how they could do that with a straight face).

Correct and Correct! However, look at what the democrats have added to the Federal Government! They can't claim it either.

Correct and Correct! However, look at what the democrats have added to the Federal Government! They can't claim it either.
But they never tried. Well, not in this century, anyway.

edit: I just realized that "this century" doesn't mean a whole lot. I meant this one and the last one. :/

But they never tried. Well, not in this century, anyway.

edit: I just realized that "this century" doesn't mean a whole lot. I meant this one and the last one. :/

haha!! Look at what FDR instituted! That added a whole layer upon layer of government.

I know but the fact that he did that then you stated what you said to him and not the starter of the thread is Ironic to me :D


I dont think the starter of the thread said anything that should necessarily be warned. It is a good potential debate, but it all depends on everyone who replies to it, whether it becomes that...or just a flame war.

Although, he could have chose a better title....