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Seriously. Back in 1996, Republicans weren't out on the streets waving crudely drawn signs and shouting inane slogans because Clinton won.

But look at the Dems in America's most recent election. While Kerry had the good graces to admit defeat, the howling tards that compose some 60% of the Democratic Party's constituency went to protest.

And look at NS. There's been a backlog of conspiracy theorists and doomsday sayers these days, proclaiming the end of democracy as we know it because Pres. Bush was re-elected :rolleyes:

I'm bloody sick and tired of these morons. While I'm all for the right of free speech, sometimes the jackboot of the government should REALLY descend upon those twits deserving of censorship.

Seriously. Back in 1996, Republicans weren't out on the streets waving crudely drawn signs and shouting inane slogans because Clinton won....
Do you think Clinton cheated?

Do you think Clinton cheated?
Only on his Wife ;) B-doom-tch!

Seriously. Back in 1996, Republicans weren't out on the streets waving crudely drawn signs and shouting inane slogans because Clinton won.

But look at the Dems in America's most recent election. While Kerry had the good graces to admit defeat, the howling tards that compose some 60% of the Democratic Party's constituency went to protest.

And look at NS. There's been a backlog of conspiracy theorists and doomsday sayers these days, proclaiming the end of democracy as we know it because Pres. Bush was re-elected :rolleyes:

I'm bloody sick and tired of these morons. While I'm all for the right of free speech, sometimes the jackboot of the government should REALLY descend upon those twits deserving of censorship.


Barry Goldwater.

Only on his Wife ;) B-doom-tch!I dont know anybody that claimed Clinton ever Cheated to get elected....do you?

Do you think Clinton cheated?

No. That loss was caused by Dole's "OMG I FELL OFF THE PLATFORM" stunt.

Although the campaign financing thing was a bit... well, off.

Barry Goldwater.
Huh? What about Barry Goldwater?

We weren't as split in 1996. And in 2000, the election was so close....sooooo close!

And following our realization of what kind of a President Bush REALLY is, we wanted him out...badly. I don't know about you, but I like Presidents that aren't complete assholes.

Trust me, if Kerry won the election, you'll see just as many Republicans and conservatives running around the street fearing terrorist attacks.

nah repubs like more covert stuff like spending millions of dollars to impeach some one for adultery

there were also some voting machines in some places that were voting wrong. some lady who went for early voting was complaining that her democrat votes went to say republican.


i'm so glad we have paper ballots here. just put an x in a box and someone counts them by hand and we've yet to have a lawsuit over it. :) and what do you know, all our elections are deceided in one day.

We weren't as split in 1996. And in 2000, the election was so close....sooooo close!

And following our realization of what kind of a President Bush REALLY is, we wanted him out...badly. I don't know about you, but I like Presidents that aren't complete assholes.

Trust me, if Kerry won the election, you'll see just as many Republicans and conservatives running around the street fearing terrorist attacks.

I still don't see what was so wrong about 2000. If you are too damn stupid to read the instructions on how to vote, YOU SHOULDN'T BE VOTING.

Sure. Okay, people didn't like Bush. Still not an excuse to be an assclown and act like a child who didn't get his way.

If Kerry won the election, I'm quite sure there wouldn't be mass demonstrations of fearful Republicans.

nah repubs like more covert stuff like spending millions of dollars to impeach some one for adultery

lololol perjury is against the law lololol :rolleyes:

there were also some voting machines in some places that were voting wrong. some lady who went for early voting was complaining that her democrat votes went to say republican.


i'm so glad we have paper ballots here. just put an x in a box and someone counts them by hand and we've yet to have a lawsuit over it. :) and what do you know, all our elections are deceided in one day.

Always blaming something or someone. It's a shame how society works these days.

I still don't see what was so wrong about 2000. If you are too damn stupid to read the instructions on how to vote, YOU SHOULDN'T BE VOTING.

Sure. Okay, people didn't like Bush. Still not an excuse to be an assclown and act like a child who didn't get his way.

If Kerry won the election, I'm quite sure there wouldn't be mass demonstrations of fearful Republicans.
You can say that, but that doesn't make it true.

I'm basing my reasoning on the political climate of 2004, the sheer amount of Republicans voting Bush and their likely reaction to a Kerry victory.

I would bet my life that Republicans would go as "batshit" over such a victory as leftists.


Besides, we were all emotional following our loss. I'm sure the Republicans felt very happy indeed for their victory. Unless a Democrat's idea of happy isn't equal to a Republican's idea of happy, I don't see why we shouldn't get sad Republicans and happy Democrats following a Kerry 04 win.

lololol perjury is against the law lololol :rolleyes:

He didn't perjure himself. Considering they were investigating Whitewater, and delved into his sex life, the judge decided that his sex life was immaterial. The definition of perjury is 'lying about material facts in evidence'. Since the question was immaterial, Clinton's lie wasn't perjury.

Oh, and do you think Bush would answer that same question with a big ol' 'Yep. I boinked her like there was no tomorrow.'?

It's pretty easy to impeach a president for lying when you ask him the wrong question under oath.

But back to the topic, shall we?

Seriously. Back in 1996, Republicans weren't out on the streets waving crudely drawn signs and shouting inane slogans because Clinton won.

Nah. They just made overt threats against his life.

Bush has only done what he thinks is right. We all make mistakes, some bigger than others

lololol perjury is against the law lololol :rolleyes:
everything started before he committed perjury

Seriously. Back in 1996, Republicans weren't out on the streets waving crudely drawn signs and shouting inane slogans because Clinton won.

But look at the Dems in America's most recent election. While Kerry had the good graces to admit defeat, the howling tards that compose some 60% of the Democratic Party's constituency went to protest.

And look at NS. There's been a backlog of conspiracy theorists and doomsday sayers these days, proclaiming the end of democracy as we know it because Pres. Bush was re-elected :rolleyes:

I'm bloody sick and tired of these morons. While I'm all for the right of free speech, sometimes the jackboot of the government should REALLY descend upon those twits deserving of censorship.

2000 was because Bush cheated. This year, though, I think the people who go "batshit insane" are just morons. Bush won fair and square this time, and while I don't have to like it and reserve the right to be as depressed as I want for as long as I want, I'm not going to go out and scream.

Trust me, if Kerry won the election, you'll see just as many Republicans and conservatives running around the street fearing terrorist attacks.

Indeed, or we'd see them doing the same thing they did during Clinton's years...making snide comments about Kerry, acting as if he were the AntiChrist himself, etc. Just because they don;t take to the streets doesn't mean that they're any more graceful in defeat.

Oh, and people aren't just taking to the streets over the election. It's mostly about the myriad of other controversial issues surrounding this President who promised to be a "Uniter, not a divider."

We weren't as split in 1996. And in 2000, the election was so close....sooooo close!

And following our realization of what kind of a President Bush REALLY is, we wanted him out...badly. I don't know about you, but I like Presidents that aren't complete assholes.

Trust me, if Kerry won the election, you'll see just as many Republicans and conservatives running around the street fearing terrorist attacks.



I'm sorry, did you say you wish Gore had won back then. That would have been horrible. Remember how he played up the whole global warming thing, and then when it was proved that global warming isnt real he just pretended like it still was. And imagine what would have happened to America if he had been in charge when the terrorists attacked! I shudder when I think of it. And if Kerry had won the hard working, sense making Republicans would not have gone into the traditional liberal panic state, we would have bought guns(provided the liberals didnt ban them) and defended our homes on a more individual basis while the democrats just stay behind us for safety while telling us that we are whats wrong with the world.

You make it sound like the attack was inevitable. Now, I'm not saying Gore would have prevented 9/11, but wouldn't it be nice if we had someone who could advise the president on our national security? A type of national securty advisor, if you will. This person could work with some other government organizations to try and gain truthful intelligence about plans against america, and maybe if we were attacked, they could see if our enemies were actually working together, just so our president didn't say they were, only to be proven wrong about it, but then act like they still were. Yeah, that'd really suck.

I'm sorry, did you say you wish Gore had won back then. That would have been horrible. Remember how he played up the whole global warming thing, and then when it was proved that global warming isnt real he just pretended like it still was.
Yeah! All those scientists said that there wasn't global warming. No. Wait. They said there was global warming. Maybe you should stop listening to Limbaugh.

I'm sorry, did you say you wish Gore had won back then. That would have been horrible. Remember how he played up the whole global warming thing, and then when it was proved that global warming isnt real he just pretended like it still was.

not proven. global warming is still debatable.

And imagine what would have happened to America if he had been in charge when the terrorists attacked! I shudder when I think of it.

i don't see anything here as to what would have been so horrible. please enlighten me, as i don't know what could go wrong being the centrist that i am.

And if Kerry had won the hard working, sense making Republicans would not have gone into the traditional liberal panic state, we would have bought guns(provided the liberals didnt ban them) and defended our homes on a more individual basis while the democrats just stay behind us for safety while telling us that we are whats wrong with the world.

what i see here is an example of a republican who would have been angry if kerry had won.

btw, "defending our homes on a more individual basis"? have you heard even ONE scenario where an al-quaeda terrorist has done home invasion? (edit: not clear enough.. i meant IN the US and in the very very late 20th to early 21st centuries specifically)

seriously, blanket statements about "hard working sense making Republicans" is exactly what turns off support for the Republican party from people like me.

nah repubs like more covert stuff like spending millions of dollars to impeach some one for adultery

I understand you arent competant/intelligant enough to recognize the differance but it was perjury not adultery. And he did get disbarred for it.

I'm sorry, did you say you wish Gore had won back then. That would have been horrible. Remember how he played up the whole global warming thing, and then when it was proved that global warming isnt real he just pretended like it still was. And imagine what would have happened to America if he had been in charge when the terrorists attacked! I shudder when I think of it. And if Kerry had won the hard working, sense making Republicans would not have gone into the traditional liberal panic state, we would have bought guns(provided the liberals didnt ban them) and defended our homes on a more individual basis while the democrats just stay behind us for safety while telling us that we are whats wrong with the world.
oh yeah, global warming isnt happening, drilling for oil doesnt hurt the environment, uncontrolled logging wont hurt our national forrests, compaines will still put out high quality water if they arnt forced to even though it would be cheaper to not to

Yeah! All those scientists said that there wasn't global warming. No. Wait. They said there was global warming. Maybe you should stop listening to Limbaugh.

You can always tell the real dittoheads by their total disconnection with reality.

No, global warming has never been disproven.

I understand you arent competant/intelligant enough to recognize the differance but it was perjury not adultery. And he did get disbarred for it.
woo look another batshit republican

the "perjury" charge just gave them the ability to try and impeach him for adultery.

and YES the whole ivnestigation started BEFORE he commited perjury, thats HOW they got him committing perjury

Yea I think people are going a little too far with this as well. But to say Republicans never bitched about losing an election it is partisan bullshit.

The election was definitely stolen from us in 2000. I think we were all so sure that everyone would realize what a fuckup the last 4 years have been, and be eager not to repeat the mess. So, when it turned out that people really are as stupid as we feared, yeah, "batshit insane" time.

Yeah! All those scientists said that there wasn't global warming. No. Wait. They said there was global warming. Maybe you should stop listening to Limbaugh.

Actually, "Global Warming" is half-BS. The Earth goes through natural peaks and vallies in average temperature. In fact, a mini-one ended around 1400. From about 900-1400 CE, the Earth's average temperature was about a degree higher than today. That may not seem like a lot, but the paranoid "scientists" say that a half-degree more could completely melt the polar ice caps. Ya, right. And, if we delve deeper back into time, just after the end of the last ice age, Earth's average temperature was about 5 degrees higher than it is now.

As noble as the whole 'let's stop polution and global warming' cause is, the fact is the polution we're putting into the atmosphere is barely making a dent. Sure, it is bad, and is reducing the quality of life in a lot of areas (smog, etc.), but the whole "Global Warming" thing is BS.

P.S. I know a shitload more about science and the issue than you do, so don't even bother trying to prove me wrong.

Note: Sorry to hijack the thread.

Me being a liberal (Canadian), I was disipointed that Bush won, however I was more impartial. Either would be bad for Canada, and actually I've come to like Bush more now. They were both worthy, but Bush won.

Seriously. Back in 1996, Republicans weren't out on the streets waving crudely drawn signs and shouting inane slogans because Clinton won.

No, instead they launched into a conspiracy to overthrow the American President and nearly succeeded by impeaching him. Funny how nobody gives a crap about one's personal life, that is, unless you're a Republican. :rolleyes:

As noble as the whole 'let's stop polution and global warming' cause is, the fact is the polution we're putting into the atmosphere is barely making a dent. Sure, it is bad, and is reducing the quality of life in a lot of areas (smog, etc.), but the whole "Global Warming" thing is BS.

P.S. I know a shitload more about science and the issue than you do, so don't even bother trying to prove me wrong.

P.S. You sound pretty damn arrogant saying this and not providing a shred of evidence or citing a single source.

Oh yeah, they always convene global conferences around an issue that some guy on a message board can explain away in a paragraph. Why do I have this feeling that you're simplifying the issue...like only presenting one side of it? Hmm...you speak of peaks and valleys, yet mention that now we're only .5-1 degree different now. From what, a peak or a valley? And what are we in now? How do you know? Seems like a bit of a self-serving argument.

P.S. I know a shitload more about science and the issue than you do, so don't even bother trying to prove me wrong.
And you know this how?

Edited to add: I'm well aware of the changes in Earth's temperature. However, we are supposed to be entering another Ice Age, but global temperatures are increasing. There have been dozens of studies on this, and all of them have come to the conclusion that global warming is happening.

P.S. You sound pretty damn arrogant saying this and not providing a shred of evidence or citing a single source.

Hmm...you speak of peaks and valleys, yet mention that now we're only .5-1 degree different now. From what, a peak or a valley? And what are we in now? How do you know? Seems like a bit of a self-serving argument.

Part 1... Sorry I would but I got rid of the bookmarks (Idiot me, they were for a science project last year on the subject). I realized this after I posted, sorry for my arrogant assumption. But I know there's a graph out there somewhere from a reliable source stating that we are simply coming out of a minor valley in temperature. If I find a link to it I will post it.

Part 2... We have just come out of a small valley which started around 1600 and we are climbing out of. That's why temperatures are rising.

And to the other person below, Yes we are supposed to be entering another ice age, but these are small peaks and vallies, not the major ones that cause ice ages or jungle ages (for lack of a better term). The small 1-2 degree (Celcius is what I use if there's a discrepancy) changes that occur every couple hundred years are what I am refering to. We are simply climbing back up from a valley into another peak. In probably 1-2 hundred years the temperature will peak and will then begin to fall again.

http://www.abd.org.uk/green_myths.htm

Though that isn't the data graph I spoke of, it pretty much sums up my opinions.

Edit: And I think thousands of scientists also agree... http://www.oism.org/pproject/ (I.e. The Oregon Petition). For more on the Petition, google it. It's essentially 16000 scientists (ish) who disagree with the conventional notion of "Global Warming".

I think we're missing the point here... The Democrats are by no means a leftist party, they definitely sit right of centre in my book, and by comparison to international ideas. Although the left/right system is pretty stupid...

Besides, I've heard bad things about those voting machines... What's so wrong with a pen and paper people? That's how the rest of the world does it...

4% of the voting public diddn't care who got elected. I'll leave it at that.

Seriously. Back in 1996, Republicans weren't out on the streets waving crudely drawn signs and shouting inane slogans because Clinton won.

But look at the Dems in America's most recent election. While Kerry had the good graces to admit defeat, the howling tards that compose some 60% of the Democratic Party's constituency went to protest.

And look at NS. There's been a backlog of conspiracy theorists and doomsday sayers these days, proclaiming the end of democracy as we know it because Pres. Bush was re-elected :rolleyes:

I'm bloody sick and tired of these morons. While I'm all for the right of free speech, sometimes the jackboot of the government should REALLY descend upon those twits deserving of censorship.

I wouldnt be complaining if Bush was properly elected in the first place, it should have been Al Gore from 2000-2004, and Al Gore just getting re-elected, but you know the Republicans would have blamed Gore for Sept. 11th, but not Bush oh no hes a born again Christian he must be good.

No, instead they launched into a conspiracy to overthrow the American President and nearly succeeded by impeaching him. Funny how nobody gives a crap about one's personal life, that is, unless you're a Republican. :rolleyes:

Haha, yeah I know, Bush should have gotten impeached like 50 times. I mean, what Clinton did in his own personal life is vital to the nations interest, but what Clinton did in the White House is non of our business :rolleyes:

I think we're missing the point here... The Democrats are by no means a leftist party, they definitely sit right of centre in my book, and by comparison to international ideas. Although the left/right system is pretty stupid...

Besides, I've heard bad things about those voting machines... What's so wrong with a pen and paper people? That's how the rest of the world does it...

Thats what Ive always said. But my latest idea is gold! Get those things at amusement parks that count how many go through them, you know three metal bars and you walk through them, have one side for Dems, the other Repubs, have one Dem and one Repub monotoring each one so that there is nobody that turns the crank again after he goes through. How is that rigable, I mean, I dare you to tell me that that is a bad idea.

To all of you "global warming isnt real" ostriches.


http://www.atmo.arizona.edu/students/courselinks/fall04/atmo551a/pdf/TimeBomb.pdf

Odd how scientific american disagrees with you isnt it?

A pity that scientific american will be "debunked" as a liberal media source, in cahoots with greenpeace and those liberal hippies to take away our suv's

there are different poinrts coiming from different directions, i could easily find you sources to say that global warming does or does not exist. so we can all post websites, or we can just agree that everyone but ourselves is an idiot

but you know the Republicans would have blamed Gore for Sept. 11th.

wait, are you trying to say that the democrats have not blamed bush for sept. 11th?

http://www.abd.org.uk/green_myths.htm

Though that isn't the data graph I spoke of, it pretty much sums up my opinions.

Edit: And I think thousands of scientists also agree... http://www.oism.org/pproject/ (I.e. The Oregon Petition). For more on the Petition, google it. It's essentially 16000 scientists (ish) who disagree with the conventional notion of "Global Warming".
If this (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/30/science/earth/30arctic.html) doesn't disturb you, I hope you're not living on the same earth that I am.

As noble as the whole 'let's stop polution and global warming' cause is, the fact is the polution we're putting into the atmosphere is barely making a dent. Sure, it is bad, and is reducing the quality of life in a lot of areas (smog, etc.), but the whole "Global Warming" thing is BS.

P.S. I know a shitload more about science and the issue than you do, so don't even bother trying to prove me wrong.

Barely making a dent? Maybe you consider the gaping holes in the ozone just a dent. Perhaps not directly related to global warming, but the crap we are putting into the atmosphere, water, etc...is having effects. Most on a local scale (like smog), but collectively it can hit on a global scale.

nah repubs like more covert stuff like spending millions of dollars to impeach some one for adultery
Not that it matters to you, since you couldn't be bothered to miss your lunch in order to vote.

2000 was because Bush cheated.
And, pray tell, how exactly did Bush cheat in 2000? After all, it was Gore who started all the challenges in court...

You make it sound like the attack was inevitable. Now, I'm not saying Gore would have prevented 9/11, but wouldn't it be nice if we had someone who could advise the president on our national security? A type of national securty advisor, if you will. Gee, you mean someone like Condoleeza Rice, don't you?
This person could work with some other government organizations to try and gain truthful intelligence about plans against america, and maybe if we were attacked, they could see if our enemies were actually working together, just so our president didn't say they were, only to be proven wrong about it, but then act like they still were. Yeah, that'd really suck.That has to be one of the longest, most senseless sentences written by someone other than MKULTRA. The plot for 9/11 was set into motion during the Clinton years...the cowardly Islamofascists who flew those planes into the WTC and Pentagon entered the US and trained in US flight schools during the Clinton years. Let's not even mention all the al Qaeda attacks against the US and its territories during the 1990's...that's right, the Clinton years.

Bill Clinton and Al Gore had plenty of warnings between 1993 and 2003...heck, they had smoking holes in the ground in Saudi Arabia, Tanzania, Yemen and NYC that were created by al Qaeda. To lay blame on Bush for 9/11, when he had been in power all of 8 months is beyond ludicrous, though that makes it par for the course for Libs.

Seriously. Back in 1996, Republicans weren't out on the streets waving crudely drawn signs and shouting inane slogans because Clinton won.

But look at the Dems in America's most recent election. While Kerry had the good graces to admit defeat, the howling tards that compose some 60% of the Democratic Party's constituency went to protest.

And look at NS. There's been a backlog of conspiracy theorists and doomsday sayers these days, proclaiming the end of democracy as we know it because Pres. Bush was re-elected :rolleyes:

I'm bloody sick and tired of these morons. While I'm all for the right of free speech, sometimes the jackboot of the government should REALLY descend upon those twits deserving of censorship.
That's funny, I seem to recall Republicans becoming total bitches for 8 years with Clinton, and they still can't stop crying about it. Clinton is used as an excuse for everything that's ever gone wrong in this country. WTF are you talking about? Come on descend on me if you aren't some kind of bitch then.
I love all this tough talk. Bring the jackboots buddy. Bring it on yourself. Or you just talk flame on a message board. Tough guy.

Gee, you mean someone like Condoleeza Rice, don't you?
That has to be one of the longest, most senseless sentences written by someone other than MKULTRA. The plot for 9/11 was set into motion during the Clinton years...the cowardly Islamofascists who flew those planes into the WTC and Pentagon entered the US and trained in US flight schools during the Clinton years. Let's not even mention all the al Qaeda attacks against the US and its territories during the 1990's...that's right, the Clinton years.

Bill Clinton and Al Gore had plenty of warnings between 1993 and 2003...heck, they had smoking holes in the ground in Saudi Arabia, Tanzania, Yemen and NYC that were created by al Qaeda. To lay blame on Bush for 9/11, when he had been in power all of 8 months is beyond ludicrous, though that makes it par for the course for Libs.
yeah and they fucking STOPPED the attacks planned during those years. Heck, fuck you too.

yeah and they fucking STOPPED the attacks planned during those years. Heck, fuck you too.
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Bill Clinton and Al Gore had plenty of warnings between 1993 and 2003...heck, they had smoking holes in the ground in Saudi Arabia, Tanzania, Yemen and NYC that were created by al Qaeda.

Hypothetical situation....would the Republicans have supported Clinton/Gore if they launched an invasion of Afghanistan to destroy al Qaeda after any of the events you mention?

And just to continue the blame game since some seem to believe Clinton is responsible for all the terrorism today, how did the two presidents before Clinton do as far as stopping terrorism? Or did they only help lay the foundation for the problems of today?

Yes, heaven forbid that those people express their opinion on a matter as trivial as the presidential election. Those sort of people really make me angry. They should lose their rights to free speech because I don't like what they're saying.

yeah and they fing STOPPED the attacks planned during those years. Heck, f you too.
I don't need to dignify that by repeating the un-wise word.

Now for the "meat" of your so-called "argument." They (the Clinton-Gore national security team) stopped the attacks?

Then I must have imagined the Khobar Towers bombing in 1996.

The bombing of the US embassies in Tanzania and Nigeria never happened, right?

And the incident in Somalia made into the movie "Black Hawk Down?" Nah, never happened either.

The USS Cole bombing in Yemen? Wh-what?

The planning, training and rehearsals for 9/11? It all started on January 20, 2001, right?

Are you truly that dense?

Hypothetical situation....would the Republicans have supported Clinton/Gore if they launched an invasion of Afghanistan to destroy al Qaeda after any of the events you mention?I guess we'll never know, since Clinton was too busy being "serviced", and Gore was too busy raising funds in Buddhist temples and inventing the Internet...however, they were ready to attack Serbia (which had not attacked the US,) and the GOP majorities in Congress went along, without back-stabbing.

And just to continue the blame game since some seem to believe Clinton is responsible for all the terrorism today, how did the two presidents before Clinton do as far as stopping terrorism? Or did they only help lay the foundation for the problems of today?Let's take the game a little further, shall we? What about the completely inadequate responses from Jimmy "Malaise" Carter to the 1979 Iran hostage crisis, and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? Don't you think the weakness displayed by Carter then (and still to this day) was the inspiration for all the anti-American terrorism?

Of course you don't! It's all George W Bush's fault, right?

Let's take the game a little further, shall we? What about the completely inadequate responses from Jimmy "Malaise" Carter to the 1979 Iran hostage crisis, and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? Don't you think the weakness displayed by Carter then (and still to this day) was the inspiration for all the anti-American terrorism?

Of course you don't! It's all George W Bush's fault, right?

You know, and this may just be a guess, but the inspiration for all the anti-American terrorism may have something to do with our support of Israel. Just going to throw that out there as a suggestion, feel free to think you can deconstruct it.

You know, and this may just be a guess, but the inspiration for all the anti-American terrorism may have something to do with our support of Israel. Just going to throw that out there as a suggestion, feel free to think you can deconstruct it.
Why didn't I think about it? After all, our support for Israel makes the lives of Muslims in Indonesia, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Lybia, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia a LIVING HELL, doesn't it?

You will notice I left out Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon...that is because our support for Israel has indeed made their lives tough. After all, Israel has been combat-testing American fighter jets for many years...Israel IS the reason the venerable F-4 Phantom has been called the world's largest distributor of MiG parts...

And the reason the lives of "Palestinians" is such a living hell has nothing to do with Israel. After all, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria, and Jordan, all have expelled the "Palestinians" and refuse to allow them to become citizens of their countries. Imagine that...Muslims treat their fellow Muslims worse than the Israelis do.

Think about it...

there were also some voting machines in some places that were voting wrong. some lady who went for early voting was complaining that her democrat votes went to say republican.


i'm so glad we have paper ballots here. just put an x in a box and someone counts them by hand and we've yet to have a lawsuit over it. :) and what do you know, all our elections are deceided in one day.

In NZ, we have paper ballots. Last month we had a local council election and there was STV for most of the voting paper, mainly district health boards and council members decided by number of preference.
Only problem was the time it took to get right, but it was the first time with STV. (it does sound a bit like Sexually Transmitted Virus to me.)
Next year we vote again in national elections, with MMP (the german system) one vote for person, one vote for party. Simple, effective and decided in 1 day.

Can you say "hostile enemy takeover of the White House"? Righties went batshit insane for 8 years under Clinton. Anti-government militias, drive-by shootings and kamikazi/jyhad attacks of the White House, and the second worst terrorist attack on US soil ever.

If this (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/30/science/earth/30arctic.html) doesn't disturb you, I hope you're not living on the same earth that I am.
Also the Association of British Drivers DEFINATELY have a vested interest in wanting Global Warming not to 'exist'. Unfortunately for them, it doesn't matter what they say because it's happening, and any amount of carefully selected figures can't prove otherwise..