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http://www4.ncsu.edu/~dwhawkin/elec.jpg

Does that chart surprise anyone? Not me. Though, it's debatable whether or not it is accurate ;)

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~dwhawkin/elec.jpg

Does that chart surprise anyone? Not me. Though, it's debatable whether or not it is accurate ;)

Hmmm...there's a connection here somewhere....

lolololol inbreds down south voted for bush lolololol

lolololol high school drop-outs voted for Kerry, while as a whole, high school graduates voted for Bush lololololol

:rolleyes:

Just goes to show that the smartest people in the world are still dumb as posts if they voted for Kerry.

I'd like to see the source of the study that found the IQ results, but I'm frankly not surprised at the results.

Tempting though it might be to believe it, that chart is not credible.
The spread of IQ scores is too high: +/- 4-5 points between states might be possible, but not +/- 15 points.

Tempting though it might be to believe it, that chart is not credible.
The spread of IQ scores is too high: +/- 4-5 points between states might be possible, but not +/- 15 points.
You'd actually be quite surprised. Nationally, I mean whole nations, have even bigger ranges than that. Some nations have very high IQs as a whole, because its in the genes. Germany for instance has a high national IQ. On the other hand, some nations have longevity, or physical stamina, etc. The US is the size of many, many nations, with a largely set population that doesn't really have major changes in the gene pools of major regions. The North-East for instance, is widely hailed as the most intelligent part of the nation. The reasons for this are because through its history it has attracted many of the most intelligent people with its educational system, gradually increasing the intelligence level of the gene pool as a whole. In some other regions, such as the South, there was nothing to make intelligent people go to the region, and in fact, for the truly intelligent to fulfill their potential, moving was the only real option.

America is one nation, but it is many different regionalized gene pools. I've seen most of them, and I have to agree with that data. In proportion, i've met significantly more intelligent people from the NE than I have from the Mid-West.

The one other thing that table should show is college graduates as a percentage of the voting population. That would truly be a telling sign. *Sigh* Just another sign that we really need to put some kind of intelligence test into the right to vote. Honestly, who wants someone with an IQ of sub-100 to be deciding who will be the leader of the free world? I for one don't, and I doubt others would. The smartest people make the smartest decisions, and usually the most informed ones. Lets do this!

Interesting too that the source it supposedly came from did not actually publish these numbers in its current edition....

IQ scores are incredibly subjective - even if this were accurate, it has no bearing at all on whether red states are stupid or not.

You'd actually be quite surprised. Nationally, I mean whole nations, have even bigger ranges than that. Some nations have very high IQs as a whole, because its in the genes. Germany for instance has a high national IQ. On the other hand, some nations have longevity, or physical stamina, etc. The US is the size of many, many nations, with a largely set population that doesn't really have major changes in the gene pools of major regions. The North-East for instance, is widely hailed as the most intelligent part of the nation. The reasons for this are because through its history it has attracted many of the most intelligent people with its educational system, gradually increasing the intelligence level of the gene pool as a whole. In some other regions, such as the South, there was nothing to make intelligent people go to the region, and in fact, for the truly intelligent to fulfill their potential, moving was the only real option.

America is one nation, but it is many different regionalized gene pools. I've seen most of them, and I have to agree with that data. In proportion, i've met significantly more intelligent people from the NE than I have from the Mid-West.

The one other thing that table should show is college graduates as a percentage of the voting population. That would truly be a telling sign. *Sigh* Just another sign that we really need to put some kind of intelligence test into the right to vote. Honestly, who wants someone with an IQ of sub-100 to be deciding who will be the leader of the free world? I for one don't, and I doubt others would. The smartest people make the smartest decisions, and usually the most informed ones. Lets do this!

Yes lets make it so only the smart can vote. That's exactley what the constitution does. It gives rights to the smart. You my friend are lucky this is not true. Your statment makes you sound less intelgent then any hick i've talked to. Well done you've created a new low.

You'd actually be quite surprised. Nationally, I mean whole nations, have even bigger ranges than that. Some nations have very high IQs as a whole, because its in the genes. Germany for instance has a high national IQ. On the other hand, some nations have longevity, or physical stamina, etc. The US is the size of many, many nations, with a largely set population that doesn't really have major changes in the gene pools of major regions. The North-East for instance, is widely hailed as the most intelligent part of the nation. The reasons for this are because through its history it has attracted many of the most intelligent people with its educational system, gradually increasing the intelligence level of the gene pool as a whole. In some other regions, such as the South, there was nothing to make intelligent people go to the region, and in fact, for the truly intelligent to fulfill their potential, moving was the only real option.

America is one nation, but it is many different regionalized gene pools. I've seen most of them, and I have to agree with that data. In proportion, i've met significantly more intelligent people from the NE than I have from the Mid-West.

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I would indeed be surprised. In fact I would be quite fascinated if there was a 30 point spread between average IQ scores of large populations, since it's equivalent to saying 85% of the people in the top scoring states score higher than 85% of the lowest scoring states. That's not just regionalised gene pools, that's different races.

And that's before we get into the well rehearsed argument about what IQ scores measure and how well they do so (which undermines your presumably less serious political point).

Hey Gig, it would be nice for the chart to be BIG ENOUGH for me TO READ!

Looking at a map of states showing which ones went to Bush and which ones went to Kerry would be fine. Its no surprise Massachusetts is at the top.

lets make this straight, IQ has nothing to do with who you voted for. If anything social status has more of an impact on who you voted for more then anything else.

Hey Gig, it would be nice for the chart to be BIG ENOUGH for me TO READ!
Click on the arrow thingy that appears in the bottom right hand corner to expand it.

Hey Gig, it would be nice for the chart to be BIG ENOUGH for me TO READ!
You just gotta use your browser properly and it will be big enough.

There is no way the average in mississippi or the other states on the bottom is 85, that's 5 points above clinically reatarded!

God lord, I am amazed that anyone bothered to create a new chart based upon the previously discounted information. The IQ scores are attributed to IQ and The Wealth of Nations which never had a chart like this, and note is made that the chart was printed by The Saint Petersberg Times And The Economist which they were, in relation to the original internet hoax about Bush versus Gore voters, and The Economist retracted it soon after publishing it while, AFAIK, The Saint Petersberg Times has yet to retract it.

God lord, I am amazed that anyone bothered to create a new chart based upon the previously discounted information. The IQ scores are attributed to IQ and The Wealth of Nations which never had a chart like this, and note is made that the chart was printed by The Saint Petersberg Times And The Economist which they were, in relation to the original internet hoax about Bush versus Gore voters, and The Economist retracted it soon after publishing it while, AFAIK, The Saint Petersberg Times has yet to retract it.
You're amazed someone did this? What world have you been living in for the past 4 years? ;)

You're amazed someone did this? What world have you been living in for the past 4 years? ;)
I am just as amazed that someone also took this as real. It's not as if the IQ chart hasn't been thoughly debunked everywhere. It's as if someone were tell me they thought current US intelligence pointed to the existance of WMDs in Iraq. I know there are many out there who don't bother to let facts get in the way of good arguments, but something that has been so widely and thoughly debunked, where has the person who bothered to produce this chart been for the last 2 years?

I think it's probably a mistake to believe this. FOr one thing, it may not be true, but let's assume it is. Does a higher IQ really suggest a better knowledge of what's good for the nation? The other problem is, if the dems start believing this, they'll just end up reinforcing a sense of elitism which really doesn't help. Oh, and another problem is we don't know exactly what it means. It just might mean that people with higher IQ's like to vote against the encumbent.

Anyway, I'm with Asimov on this one: IQ tests are just a form of cultural screening, not a real measure of intelligence (for there can be no objective measure of intelligence).

There is no way the average in mississippi or the other states on the bottom is 85, that's 5 points above clinically reatarded!
Erm, yeah, good point...

I am just as amazed that someone also took this as real. It's not as if the IQ chart hasn't been thoughly debunked everywhere. It's as if someone were tell me they thought current US intelligence pointed to the existance of WMDs in Iraq. I know there are many out there who don't bother to let facts get in the way of good arguments, but something that has been so widely and thoughly debunked, where has the person who bothered to produce this chart been for the last 2 years?All I'm saying is, you ought to have been around long enough not to be amazed at what people can come up with.

All I'm saying is, you ought to have been around long enough not to be amazed at what people can come up with.I know, I know, but for some reason the 90% of my brain which is supposed to make the improbable or wonderous seem normal or ordinary (the absurdity filter) has always worked poorly.

Hey Gig, it would be nice for the chart to be BIG ENOUGH for me TO READ!
Click on the arrows at the bottom right? The picture goes to normal size. What state are you from? LOL j/k

.... I'm with Asimov on this one: IQ tests are just a form of cultural screening, not a real measure of intelligence (for there can be no objective measure of intelligence).

Your kidding right. OK some IQ tests look for knowledge, but the best look for logic & thought processes.

I don't mean to say that lower IQ makes you less capable, it just limits your horizions. :confused:

There is no way the average in mississippi or the other states on the bottom is 85, that's 5 points above clinically reatarded!

Actually..."An average score on an IQ test is about 90 to 110. A person with mental retardation will usually score below 75 on an IQ test."

So, at least 10 points :p

http://kidshealth.org/kid/health_problems/birth_defect/mental_retardation.html

God lord, I am amazed that anyone bothered to create a new chart based upon the previously discounted information. The IQ scores are attributed to IQ and The Wealth of Nations which never had a chart like this, and note is made that the chart was printed by The Saint Petersberg Times And The Economist which they were, in relation to the original internet hoax about Bush versus Gore voters, and The Economist retracted it soon after publishing it while, AFAIK, The Saint Petersberg Times has yet to retract it.

Where/when did the Eco publish this?

I'm sure, depending on who you ask/quiz/test, you could get these IQ results to tell a whole other story.

The idiots who keep posting this the crap can't have an Iq over 80...dolts...

Mississippi isn't retarded, just dumb

Say what you want about Mississippi, but I challenge you to visit the campus of Ole Miss and tell me they don't have the hottest girls in the world.

Say what you want about Mississippi, but I challenge you to visit the campus of Ole Miss and tell me they don't have the hottest girls in the world.

I think Playboy did a ranking of the top 10 colleges for hottest girls. It was some California school that was #1.

I think Playboy did a ranking of the top 10 colleges for hottest girls. It was some California school that was #1.


Way to go champ...so the sluttiest girls don't live in the Northeast...what's your point?

Way to go champ...so the sluttiest girls don't live in the Northeast...what's your point?

Just that Ole Miss doesn't have the hottest girls.

Just goes to show that the smartest people in the world are still dumb as posts if they voted for Kerry.


No..it just means that 3.5 million more idiots turned out to vote.

Just that Ole Miss doesn't have the hottest girls.

Dammit...where are they?

Dammit...where are they?

Some school in California, if you believe Playboy. I'm too lazy to go searching for the list.

This kind of thing is the worst flaw of the American left.I think the whole idea of "if you don't agree with what we say you are ignorant, backwards and stupid." contributed to the Democrats losing the previous election. How can anyone expect to gather support with an attitude like that?

Some school in California, if you believe Playboy. I'm too lazy to go searching for the list.

No I don't, because VA women are spot on....

No I don't, because VA women are spot on....

I don't know, something tells me Playboy does its research....

I don't know, something tells me Playboy does its research....

VA women are awesome...they just have too high self esteem...damn Cali sluts...come here and find some proper ladies.....

VA women are awesome...they just have too high self esteem...damn Cali sluts...come here and find some proper ladies.....

I'm from the University of New Hampshire, with its 70% female student body. With numbers like that, you're guaranteed a great deal of jaw-dropping girls. Heck, my graduating class is something like 78% female.

I'm from the University of New Hampshire, with its 70% female student body. With numbers like that, you're guaranteed a great deal of jaw-dropping girls. Heck, my graduating class is something like 78% female.

damn you...DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's 46% women here...you have to fight for 'em....DAMN YOU AGAIN!!!!!

I'm from the University of New Hampshire, with its 70% female student body. With numbers like that, you're guaranteed a great deal of jaw-dropping girls. Heck, my graduating class is something like 78% female.

Don't rub it in.

Don't rub it in.

Oh, I'm gonna rub it in.:D

Where/when did the Eco publish this?Say May, 2004. I'm not sure and am too lazy to look it up, but it was in an issue arround then. It was a table correlating bush and gore voters from 2000.

Clearly you people who rant about this damned IQ test can't figure out to read the not-even-fine print at the bottom where it says:
"The IQ numbers were originally attributed to the book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations", though they do not appear in the current edition. The tests and data were administered via the Ravens APT, and the Test Agency, one of the UK's leading publishers and distributors of psychometric tests. This data has been published in the Economist and the St. Petersburg Times, though this does not mean it should be taken as fact."

Read the last sentence very carefully again, yes that one "though this does not mean it should be taken as fact". STFU and get a real source that doesn't tell you not to believe itself.

I'm from the University of New Hampshire, with its 70% female student body. With numbers like that, you're guaranteed a great deal of jaw-dropping girls. Heck, my graduating class is something like 78% female.
I'm filling out my credit transfer request right now!

all right, the iq results probably arent perfect, but go down to mississippi, louisiana, alabama, etc. and tell me they arent the stupidest people on earth. try me.

all right, the iq results probably arent perfect, but go down to mississippi, louisiana, alabama, etc. and tell me they arent the stupidest people on earth. try me.Well, according to the actual IQ and The Wealth of Nations the stupidest people on Earth are from Equitorial Guinea with an average IQ of 59, but all the disclaimers about what IQ tests really test should be taken with that. An accurate look at IQ in the US, in terms of educational achievement, usually puts Mississippi pretty low, but DC also shows up at the bottom (voted over 90% for Kerry).

besides, they are all mindless dolts brainwashed by the society down there into following christianity (usually baptist) without question. following it is fine..but mindlessly like those people do..makes them pretty damn dumb.

besides, they are all mindless dolts brainwashed by the society down there into following christianity (usually baptist) without question. following it is fine..but mindlessly like those people do..makes them pretty damn dumb.
I take it you haven't spent much time there.

Clearly you people who rant about this damned IQ test can't figure out to read the not-even-fine print at the bottom where it says:
"The IQ numbers were originally attributed to the book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations", though they do not appear in the current edition. The tests and data were administered via the Ravens APT, and the Test Agency, one of the UK's leading publishers and distributors of psychometric tests. This data has been published in the Economist and the St. Petersburg Times, though this does not mean it should be taken as fact."

Read the last sentence very carefully again, yes that one "though this does not mean it should be taken as fact". STFU and get a real source that doesn't tell you not to believe itself.
Just because it displays a disclaimer, it doesn't refute that what they posted is not indeed factual? It would be up to another party to determine through their own independent testing methods whether the stated claims are true or false?

Another thing to remember is that IQ tests are highly swung by the slightest cultural issue. For example, the attempts to use Modified Army A and B tests on immigrants from Europe during the 1920's resulted in dramatically lower than average scores(15-25 points lower), despite the fact that they weren't any less capable of learning than anyone else. (This evidence was used to support the nativist movement, something we can all agree is bad.)

These results are clearly off of a Test from the UK, and the greater the cultural divide from the UK, clearly the more adverse the effect upon the scores. As such Mississippi, Arkansas and Alabama are amongst the most different culturally, whilst Conneticut and Massachusetts are amongst the most similar.

Let's be careful, I won't say that the southern states aren't better educated, but such a huge divide is clearly indicating something besides this imaginary thing called an IQ factor, and the chief explanation can be cultural.

Just because it displays a disclaimer, it doesn't refute that what they posted is not indeed factual? It would be up to another party to determine through their own independent testing methods whether the stated claims are true or false?

It displays a disclaimer that basically says to NOT BELIEVE THIS AS SCIENTIFIC FACT.

damn you...DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's 46% women here...you have to fight for 'em....DAMN YOU AGAIN!!!!!


I'm pretty impressed with my spelling ability; I was blacked-out drunk and don't even remember having this conversation.

I think it just shows that Democrats are better on education. So, it's kind of a 'reward' for letting them in office in the first place ;)

It displays a disclaimer that basically says to NOT BELIEVE THIS AS SCIENTIFIC FACT.
It basically says that to YOU perhaps but in reality it doesn't say that at all. It sure doesn't say that to me.

It basically says that to YOU perhaps but in reality it doesn't say that at all. It sure doesn't say that to me.
Then what does THIS say to you::
http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQstates.htm
How can anyone have such a short memory that they forgot this SAME LIST WAS POSTED AND DEBUNKED TWO FUCKING DAYS AGO. STOP POSTING THIS BULLSHIT.

Hey... chill out, people.

Unfree People
Forum Moderator

Hey... chill out, people.

Unfree People
Forum Moderator
Then could you please make a pinned topic to stop posting that chart? I've seen in three different topics in the past week.

Then what does THIS say to you::
http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQstates.htm
How can anyone have such a short memory that they forgot this SAME LIST WAS POSTED AND DEBUNKED TWO FUCKING DAYS AGO. STOP POSTING THIS BULLSHIT.

Don't argue with anyone on the internet--they're all idiots, and they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

By the way, nice pwnage though.

These results are clearly off of a Test from the UK, and the greater the cultural divide from the UK, clearly the more adverse the effect upon the scores. As such Mississippi, Arkansas and Alabama are amongst the most different culturally, whilst Conneticut and Massachusetts are amongst the most similar. Ravens APT is a style of test, and the British tests were the ones used by IQ And The Wealth Of Nations precisely because they were a measure of conformity with British cultural IQ, htat may actually explain why the US scored a 98 compared to the nominal British 100, but big deal.

For people who have somehow missed it, the numbers are completely bogous, were never published in IQ And The Wealth Of Nations in any edition, and while published in The Economist were retracted immediately afterward. There has never been a breakdown of IQs by US state using any form of uniform IQ tests. There are a variety of charts which do give a measure of relative state level IQs using a variety of measures (ACTs, SATS usually) and they do not resemble this chart.