NationStates Jolt Archive

Israeli Aggression against the Palestinian People
From: Thursday, November 4, 2004
To: Friday, November 5, 2004


(2) Palestinian children were killed, (8) were wounded and (9) were arrested. (12) houses and (1) security post were destroyed or damaged. (2) new military posts were erected. (4) new housing units were built. Palestinian areas were shelled and bombarded (14) times.


Jerusalem: The occupation forces tightened military measures in the old city preventing thousands of Palestinians from reaching Al Aqsa Mosque for Friday prayers and fired gas bombs at Palestinians near the Shwefat refugee camp. Several Palestinians suffered suffocation.

Ramallah & al-Bireh: The occupation forces stormed a number of houses on Al Ersal Street in the city and arrested one Palestinian.

Nablus: The occupation forces invaded and vandalized Palestinian houses in several of the city's neighborhoods and arrested three Palestinians.

Jenin: The occupation forces continue imposing curfew on several neighborhoods for the tenth day. The occupation soldiers invaded tens of family houses.

Tulkarem: The occupation forces invaded the city, opened fire and stormed and ransacked an apartment building and two family houses.

Hebron: The occupation forces erected four new settlement units west of the village of Dora and the occupation troops continue taking over Palestinian houses and attacking and holding tens of Palestinians. The occupation troops continued bulldozing Palestinian land in the village of Der El Asal and nearby villages for the so-called security wall.

Bethlehem: The occupation forces invaded and vandalized Palestinian houses in the village of Al Khader and arrested four Palestinians.

Gaza: The occupation forces bombarded and damaged a national security post in Al Zeitun neighborhood.

Mid Area: The occupation forces bombarded and damaged Palestinian houses east of Al Bureij refugee camp.

Khan Younis: The occupation forces killed two Palestinian children by bombarding their house in Al Qarara and the occupation troops closed off Al Toffah checkpoint preventing Palestinians from reaching their houses.

Rafah: The occupation forces invaded the Yebna refugee camp, Block-O and Al Barahma area, bombarding the Palestinian houses wounded a number of Palestinians. They also took over several houses and transformed them into military bases and bulldozed more than ten family houses. The Rafah crossing continued to be closed off for the sixth consecutive day.


http://www.p-p-o.com/Eng/2004/kh11/5-11-2004.htm

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If you dare to mention dead palestinian children you are immediately marked as anti semitic and therefore a terrorist.

*runs and hides*

I am confused Anbar you keep mentioning Palestinians being arrested but you dont say what they are being arrested for..... I must ask when Police officers arrest criminals are they commiting "Acts of aggresion against the criminal people" ?

I am confused Anbar you keep mentioning Palestinians being arrested but you dont say what they are being arrested for..... I must ask when Police officers arrest criminals are they commiting "Acts of aggresion against the criminal people" ?

The Israelis have no right to arrest Palestinians.. that is the Palestinian Authority's job not Israel's job.

The Israelis have no right to arrest Palestinians.. that is the Palestinian Authority's job not Israel's job.
Let me ask you again What were they arrested for Oh and I dont suppose you would happen to have their names?

And the PA hasn't done anything in particular to stem the tide of terror attacks against Israel, have they? :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: How many innocent Israeli children were murdered by Palestinina terrorist and homocide bombers this week? Arafat is on his terrorist deathbed in the land of terrorist appeasers. Ice cream cake, here we come.

And the PA hasn't done anything in particular to stem the tide of terror attacks against Israel, have they? :rolleyes:

YOu're right, of course. They should be peaceful protesters and stand politely outside the growing jewish settlements in the West Bank with picket signs saying, 'Please don't steal our land'. Or maybe they should whittle tanks out of stalks of wheat to fight a conventional war for their freedom with.

does anyone think that the terror attacks by PA might not be caused by israils agression towards palistine, its and ongoing cycle a 'terror attack' israil reacts so PA reacts with another 'terror attack'

YOu're right, of course. They should be peaceful protesters and stand politely outside the growing jewish settlements in the West Bank with picket signs saying, 'Please don't steal our land'. Or maybe they should whittle tanks out of stalks of wheat to fight a conventional war for their freedom with.
Underneath all your joking theirs a nice good old fashioned jew baiter eh?

Originally Posted by Lunatic Goofballs
YOu're right, of course. They should be peaceful protesters and stand politely outside the growing jewish settlements in the West Bank with picket signs saying, 'Please don't steal our land'. Or maybe they should whittle tanks out of stalks of wheat to fight a conventional war for their freedom with.


Underneath all your joking theirs a nice good old fashioned jew baiter eh?

whats a jew baiter?

whats a jew baiter?
An Anti-Semite.

Let me ask you again What were they arrested for Oh and I dont suppose you would happen to have their names?
im sure it was something like protesting the destruction of their civilian homes, which translates to assault in terms of a corrupt hateful government

YOu're right, of course. They should be peaceful protesters and stand politely outside the growing jewish settlements in the West Bank with picket signs saying, 'Please don't steal our land'. Or maybe they should whittle tanks out of stalks of wheat to fight a conventional war for their freedom with.

lololol Six-Day War and Yom Kippur :rolleyes:

im sure it was something like protesting the destruction of their civilian homes, which translates to assault in terms of a corrupt hateful government
You are sure eh? Whats your source, whats the exact offence they were arrested for oh and what where there names?

Underneath all your joking theirs a nice good old fashioned jew baiter eh?

I would never limit myself to just baiting jews. That would leave so much undone.

(P.S. If it'll make you feel any better, I'm against Christians and Buddhists that steal land too.)

I would never limit myself to just baiting jews. That would leave so much undone.
Ah so you are not just anti semitic? I see.

PA should have their own countrry, but they need to stop suicide bombings. It's a lesson learned in the past that it is only going to piss Israel off more, and not give them land, obviously.

Ah so you are not just anti semitic? I see.

Indeed not. I'm also against Christians and Buddhists that steal land.

Indeed not. I'm also against Christians and Buddhists that steal land.
Not forgetting Muslims that steal land I hope?

Not forgetting Muslims that steal land I hope?

Them too. I was all for the first Iraq war.

Them too. I was all for the first Iraq war.
Thats fair enough, just out of interest many Muslims claim that the state of Israel itself is stolen land. What are your thoughts on this subject?

PA should have their own countrry, but they need to stop suicide bombings. It's a lesson learned in the past that it is only going to piss Israel off more, and not give them land, obviously.

i agree but this works the other way round too, israil should stop commiting acts of agression against PA as they no it will piss them off and result in more suicide bomings, its a vicious cycle and will continue if both sides dont agree to cooperate more

Thats fair enough, just out of interest many Muslims claim that the state of Israel itself is stolen land. What are your thoughts on this subject?

It's as stolen as the United States itself is.

Right or wrong, dwelling on the mistakes of the past will only lead to another 2000 years of bloodshed. Sooner or later, you have to say 'enough is enough'. Maybe The U.N. shouldn't have handed sovereign land they have no authority over to form a new government. Maybe they shouldn't have displaced tens of thousands of refugees, who still don't have real homes in a real country with a real government after almost 50 years.

Maybe if the Palestinians fought for their freedom, instead of Israel's destrucion, the world would have a little more sympathy for them. Maybe if Israel were satisfied with the land the U.N. shouldn't have given them and stopped screwing with the land they didn't, I'd have more sympathy for them too.

These two groups of people deserve eachother. They're two sides of the same extremist coin. The only real war crime, in my opinion, is that it's all funded with U.S. dollars.

It's as stolen as the United States is
Does Israel have the same right to exist as the "stolen" United States?

Does Israel have the same right to exist as the "stolen" United States?

Of course it does. Do the Palestinians have a right for their own nation to exist without Israeli occupation, or settlers encroaching onto their land? Do they have the right to fight for that right?

Of course it does. I am sure you wouldnt expect the state of Israel that you recognise as having a right to exist to negotiate with people that wont even acknowledge their right to be in Israel- how does one negotiate with a man who wants to see you driven into the sea? Do the Palestinians have a right for their own nation to exist I am sure you realise that had Palestine not attacked Israel, the palestinians would still have their own nation. Do they [the palestinians] have a right to fight for that right Oh but they did fight, thats why they lost the land the UN awarded to them in the first place. Fighting clearly isnt the palestinians forte, perhaps they would acheive more if they were willing to negotiate? Im sure the Israeli government would respond well to the Palestinians ceasing to murder jewish civilians.

Thats fair enough, just out of interest many Muslims claim that the state of Israel itself is stolen land. What are your thoughts on this subject?
I'm not muslim but Israel was founded on stolen land. How would you feel if a colonial power took over your country and declared it the homeland of a people that had not lived there for centuries and you were forced to live in a refugee camp?

I'm not muslim but Israel was founded on stolen land.
So was Australia, New Zealand and all American nations. However the people living in Australia etc. now didnt steal the land, they were born their- its immaterial that the land was originally stolen. Israel is no different, its just the dispute over ownership of the land is still ongoing. As to your next point

. How would you feel if a colonial power took over your country and declared it the homeland of a people that had not lived there for centuries and you were forced to live in a refugee camp?

How would you feel if your family was rounded up and sent to concentration camps, most of your family was murdered and when you finally got out of the concentration camp you discovered you couldnt go home?
Perhaps you would feel like making damn sure It couldnt happen again?

The simple fact is that nations undertake actions that lead to the displacement of peoples, the palestinians dont have to be in refugee camps- they could be living productive lives in the rest of the muslim world. Why isnt this happening?Why are the palestinians being kept in filthy refugee camps instead of being allowed to settle in the muslim nations they are refugees in?
Why instead of helping the palestinian refugees start new lives are their "muslim brothers" more interested in getting them back to palestine?
I dont know about you buddy but if I was a Palestinian in a shitty refugee camp I would rather be anywhere else....

I am sure you wouldnt expect the state of Israel that you recognise as having a right to exist to negotiate with people that wont even acknowledge their right to be in Israel- how does one negotiate with a man who wants to see you driven into the sea? I am sure you realise that had Palestine not attacked Israel, the palestinians would still have their own nation. Oh but they did fight, thats why they lost the land the UN awarded to them in the first place. Fighting clearly isnt the palestinians forte, perhaps they would acheive more if they were willing to negotiate? Im sure the Israeli government would respond well to the Palestinians ceasing to murder jewish civilians.

Well, I can understand the Israeli point of view. Just not their willingness to kill to occupy land that isn't theirs(the west bank settlements).

Until recently, you were right. The Palestinians were against the existence of Israel. Can you blame them? They weren't even consulted when the U.N. gave their land away. But since 1996, that all changed... for the common palestinian person who suffers the most from this continued bloodshed. This is now between Israel and Hamas. Yet the Israelis continue to punish the people who would make their greates allies in defeating them; the palestinians. They continue to deny Arafat the tools to do anything about it, and complain when he does nothing about it.

Terrorists may be what is denying the Palestinians their future, but it's hard to see that when an Israeli bulldozer has just demolished your home. Or a guard at an Israeli West Bank Settlement has just shot your neighbor's 13 year old son.

The funny thing is that considering how many innocent Israelis die for doing nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, that they would have more sympathy for people just trying to live their lives.

Terrorists may be what is denying the Palestinians their future, but it's hard to see that when an Israeli bulldozer has just demolished your home. Or a guard at an Israeli West Bank Settlement has just shot your neighbor's 13 year old son.

The funny thing is that considering how many innocent Israelis die for doing nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, that they would have more sympathy for people just trying to live their lives.
On these points I have some agreement with you, although I would point out that if Palestinians prevented their children from attacking Israeli soldiers they would perhaps be less likely to get shot by Israeli soldiers?

On these points I have some agreement with you, although I would point out that if Palestinians prevented their children from attacking Israeli soldiers they would perhaps be less likely to get shot by Israeli soldiers?

My mom couldn't even stop me from playing in swamps. You expect a palestinian peasant to keep a 24/7 vigil on her kids?

My mom couldn't even stop me from playing in swamps. You expect a palestinian peasant to keep a 24/7 vigil on her kids?
No I expect palestinian peasants to encourage their kids to attack Israeli Soldiers - but its late on Waltons mountain perhaps my Tiredness is making me cynical.
For now Good Night.

So was Australia, New Zealand and all American nations. However the people living in Australia etc. now didnt steal the land, they were born their- its immaterial that the land was originally stolen. Israel is no different, its just the dispute over ownership of the land is still ongoing. As to your next point



How would you feel if your family was rounded up and sent to concentration camps, most of your family was murdered and when you finally got out of the concentration camp you discovered you couldnt go home?

The simple fact is that nations undertake actions that lead to the displacement of peoples, the palestinians dont have to be in refugee camps- they could be living productive lives in the rest of the muslim world. Why isnt this happening?Why are the palestinians being kept in filthy refugee camps instead of being allowed to settle in the muslim nations they are refugees in?
Why instead of helping the palestinian refugees start new lives are their "muslim brothers" more interested in getting them back to palestine?
I dont know about you buddy but if I was a Palestinian in a shitty refugee camp I would rather be anywhere else....


Well you are obviously ignorant about the situation, millions of palestinians have settled in other muslim countries and all over the rest of the world as well. Jordan is over half Palestinian.Many others are living within camps in Gaza and the Westbank.
Muslims are not exactly willing to give up their land becasue for one thing Jeruselum is the third most holy city in Islam after Mecca and Medina. Others have not settled because they would veiw this as giving up their internationally recognized legal rights to return to their villages within what is now Israel. UN Security council resolution 194 explicitly says that Palestinians have this right.
As for the holocaust, it was a horrible crime thats for sure. However most of the original inhabitants Jewish moved to Israel before that. The British proclaimed that Palestine would be the Jewish homeland in 1917 in the Balfour declaration and waves of immigrants were arriving around this time. And while the holocaust understandably reinforced Jew's belief in the need for a state of their own it does not justify the ethnic cleansing of another people.
Lastly as for the comparrisson of Israel to Amercia, the founding of America upon the mountains corpses of the natives was a ghastly crime. Just becaue other countries have committed atrocities gives Israel no right to do the same. You could say the holocaust was ok under that logic.

But since 1996, that all changed... for the common palestinian person who suffers the most from this continued bloodshed. This is now between Israel and Hamas.

Wrong. There are plenty of Fatah-based terrorist organizations, too.

Yet the Israelis continue to punish the people who would make their greates allies in defeating them; the palestinians. They continue to deny Arafat the tools to do anything about it, and complain when he does nothing about it.

Arafat used PA money to finance terrorism against Israel. That's a bit more than "not doing anything" about it, wouldn't you say?

Terrorists may be what is denying the Palestinians their future, but it's hard to see that when an Israeli bulldozer has just demolished your home. Or a guard at an Israeli West Bank Settlement has just shot your neighbor's 13 year old son.

Equally difficult is it for Israelis to feel like there should be a Palestinian state when they see Arafat on TV exhorting a million shaheeds, or discover documents proving a money trail between him and the people that kill THEIR children.

The funny thing is that considering how many innocent Israelis die for doing nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, that they would have more sympathy for people just trying to live their lives.

It's all too easy to demonize the other side when you feel a large percentage of them are trying to kill you, AND you don't hear about anyone vocally speaking out against it. This goes for both Israelis and Palestinians.

Funny how when Palestinians do it it's terrorism (loaded language any?) and when the IDF does it's defence...
And while the holocaust understandably reinforced Jew's belief in the need for a state of their own it does not justify the ethnic cleansing of another people.
I agree with you. The settlers really piss me off. Yeah, let's just march into somewhere and build homes, never mind that there are people living there already!!!! We'll just have their homes demolished and be surprised when they retaliate...

You all are talking about all these "autrosities" Israel is commiting, but have you ever wondered what the whole story is? Like that inoccent man who was shot, just for having an RPG in his hands. Or that defenseles house that was demolished, just because it was hiding an explosives cache? The problem is you don't hear all that. That is the real problem behind Israels "autrocities." Israel never really reports on them. It's only the terrorists who do.