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I dunno who he was, but a Pope who was transgendered is pretty damn funny, don't you think?

There are a bunch of other famous and cool people who were homosexual, bisexual, and transgendered:

http://www.youthfirsttexas.org/famous_gay_people.html

I found this site while I was doing an in class essay on Henry James. I was trying to prove (thought) that he was a satirical social activist and not just a pompous jerk (judging by an article he wrote)...

Meanwhile, could someone explain what qualifies as transgendered? I would think that Pope Paul II (and the other people on the list) would simply be considered transvestites.

is this for real??? a transgendered pope???

That's what the site claims.

Jack Kerouac.

What a fun list. :D

Funny, I've heard claims that Paul VI was homosexual but never Paul II.

No pope was homosexual or a transexual, or transgendered. I find that offensive. This is just crap.

No pope was homosexual or a transexual, or transgendered. I find that offensive. This is just crap.

LOL. On the contrary, read up on your history. It was not just only recently that the Roman Catholic Church had problems with pedophilia. I believe in the 14th century, it was a major issue then too. I think some germans got tired of priests boinking their little boys and burned down a seminary or something... *shrug*

No pope was homosexual or a transexual, or transgendered. I find that offensive. This is just crap.Not nercessarily, transgendered is a broad enough a term that it includes everyone who has ever had homeerrotic thoughts.

LOL. On the contrary, read up on your history. It was not just only recently that the Roman Catholic Church had problems with pedophilia. I believe in the 14th century, it was a major issue then too. I think some germans got tired of priests boinking their little boys and burned down a seminary or something... *shrug*
That is indiudual priests.

That is indiudual priests.

The Pope is an individual priest. Unless he's like Voltron. :eek:

LOL. On the contrary, read up on your history. It was not just only recently that the Roman Catholic Church had problems with pedophilia. I believe in the 14th century, it was a major issue then too. I think some germans got tired of priests boinking their little boys and burned down a seminary or something... *shrug*
homosexuality as apprentice ship was pretty common back then..

The Pope is an individual priest. Unless he's like Voltron. :eek:
Yes, but no pope was homosexual.

Yes, but no pope was homosexual.
But some were insane and genocidal, yes?

Yes, but no pope was homosexual.
Pope Paul II, Catholic pope known to have worn women's clothes and was nicknamed "Our Lady of Pity"

Yes, but no pope was homosexual.
So you're a religious historian, I take it? Or you just refuse to beliece it?
Many popes were quite corrupt. Leo X? Sold lots of indulgences to pay for elaborate parties. He also backed his family (The Medici) in a bid to gain control of Florence. Other groups within the church tried to have him killed... they ended up dead. Pope Urban started the Crusades, which eventually destroyed Constantinople and killed how many thousand?
Now in light of all that, you found it offensive and refuse to believe that some pope was limp in the wrists? That's interesting.

Marxlan, don't even mention the crusades. Without them, muslims would ow be cotrolling the world with there woman hating ways. Christianity would end up dead religion. What would you do if someone tried to kill you? Would you back your family?

Marxlan, don't even mention the crusades. Without them, muslims would ow be cotrolling the world with there woman hating ways. Christianity would end up dead religion. What would you do if someone tried to kill you? Would you back your family?
Well, someone missed the point.
In case you didn't know, the Church led invasions of the Holy Land to drive out the infidel Muslims (who were really there first, and had rightful claim to most of the territory.) The Muslims weren't threatening an invasion of Europe, mainly because they were quite content in their Holy Land - many Saracens who were brought back to Europe as prisoners or slaves complained bitterly about the cold, and claimed that the warmth of Allah was not present in Europe. The Muslims weren't going out of their way to kill anyone, nor threaten anyone's family. The Christians, however, were. So your rhetorical question should be directed at justifying the Muslim slaughter of the European hordes invading their land, raping their women and killing their children.

As for "controlling the world with there (sic) woman hating ways," isn't that what Christianity did for nearly two millenia? hmmmmmm

Marxlan, don't even mention the crusades. Without them, muslims would ow be cotrolling the world with there woman hating ways. Christianity would end up dead religion. What would you do if someone tried to kill you? Would you back your family?
The crusades started because the Muslims took Jerusalem, and Constantinople felt threatened. No threat to Europe. They accomplished nothing but pissing the Muslims off, and creating a more radical, less tolerant Islam, eager to kill the Christians. Also... pick up a book. The Christians didn't win the Crusades, and as far as Muslim history was concerned, the whole thing was a minor incident.

Marxlan, don't even mention the crusades. Without them, muslims would ow be cotrolling the world with there woman hating ways. Christianity would end up dead religion. What would you do if someone tried to kill you? Would you back your family?

have you read the bible?

that's as woman hating as anything the muslims could come up with.

seirously, you've got to love a book that says that it's desgraceful for a woman to speak in church. for if she has any questions, her husband can answer them at home.

please.

Well, someone missed the point.
In case you didn't know, the Church led invasions of the Holy Land to drive out the infidel Muslims (who were really there first, and had rightful claim to most of the territory.) The Muslims weren't threatening an invasion of Europe,
Right....Where to start.
Obviously, the first monotheists there were the Jews. However: when the Moslems invaded the Holy Land during the 630s, Christians had been there for six centuries and had ruled the place for 3 centuries.The Muslim invasion didn't greatly concern Western Christianity, as the Muslims still allowed Christian pilgrimages. 4 Centuries later, when the crusades began, Islam had overrun Spain, invaded France, and were threatening the very existence of the Byzantine empire. (They would later invade Europe, and although slowed by Dracula would not be stopped until their Siege of Vienna failed. Oh - yay Polish Hussars!)

They had also lost the plot and the religion Mohammad had founded had devolved into something completely different (although it hadn't decayed into the current mess). The trigger for the Crusades was Moslems massacring pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem.

Now, ask yourself how the Moslems would react if Christians massacred pilgrims on the way to Mecca. Stones, glass houses?

Oh, back to the point: homosexuals are what 4-10% of the population?
They've been what, 263 acknowledged popes? So on average there'd be 10-27 homosexual popes?
And I assume that extreme homosexuals find the thought of heterosexual relationships as revolting as we find homosexual relationships.(Although I don't actually know, I'm guessing here). So, given that arranged marriages were the norm for most of history, they'd want to enter the church to protect themselves from something that turned their stomach, yes? Even if that's not the case, many men have refused a church vocation because they weren't prepared to remain celibate: this would not have affected the decisions made by homosexuals with a calling to the priesthood, so again the figure should be higher.

Oh, for your list of stuff the popes got up to, don't forget the Borgias. Or the 'race of whores', although that's demonstrating that many of the popes were definitely interested in women.....

Oh ya, forget all the other people on the list...

This is a freakin' gold mine of conversation starters/stoppers!

Pope Paul II, Catholic pope known to have worn women's clothes and was nicknamed "Our Lady of Pity"
I doubt it, Paul II was apparently known as "interior decorator" and likedparades and pagentry and all that, but no mention of his cross-dressing. I expect the inclusion of Paul II was not based upon any claim that he actually had sex with men, but just that he was so swish - but back in the day all men were like that, especially the heterosexuals. Now Paul VI . . ..