NationStates Jolt Archive

I've been hearing for the past 6 months about how gays should have equal rights and everybody is just so perky to the idea, but the ban just got passed in all 11 states who had it on the ballot. It seems to me that the minority just got a lot of press time and they did not fully represent the views of all Americans.

I already know someone is going to say something about southerners hating gays and this is basically false. Everyone I know down here is OK with gays, but we don't like to be forced to accept them and hear that if we do not that we are asshole racist pigs and every other word you can think of.

only the ones who understand how to use a computer support homosexuals

Does a majority need to support a minority, in order for the minority to have rights?

I've been hearing for the past 6 months about how gays should have equal rights and everybody is just so perky to the idea, but the ban just got passed in all 11 states who had it on the ballot. It seems to me that the minority just got a lot of press time and they did not fully represent the views of all Americans.

I already know someone is going to say something about southerners hating gays and this is basically false. Everyone I know down here is OK with gays, but we don't like to be forced to accept them and hear that if we do not that we are asshole racist pigs and every other word you can think of.

A good number of people do not vote. Older persons (fossil vote) and organizations who form voter blocks do vote 'religiously' while younger eligible voters often don't bother. If voting was compulsory, the outcome would've been much different since younger voters especially tend to be more liberal and support gay rights. In a generation or two such matters will likely be revisited and with a different outcome.

I've been hearing for the past 6 months about how gays should have equal rights and everybody is just so perky to the idea, but the ban just got passed in all 11 states who had it on the ballot. It seems to me that the minority just got a lot of press time and they did not fully represent the views of all Americans.

I already know someone is going to say something about southerners hating gays and this is basically false. Everyone I know down here is OK with gays, but we don't like to be forced to accept them and hear that if we do not that we are asshole racist pigs and every other word you can think of.
There are lots of different kinds of "support." I know lots of people here in NC ( yes, I live up near Winston-Salem ) who are compassionate as far as gays are concerned, but who feel as though they could never support gay marriage, for example.

I've been hearing for the past 6 months about how gays should have equal rights and everybody is just so perky to the idea, but the ban just got passed in all 11 states who had it on the ballot. It seems to me that the minority just got a lot of press time and they did not fully represent the views of all Americans.

I already know someone is going to say something about southerners hating gays and this is basically false. Everyone I know down here is OK with gays, but we don't like to be forced to accept them and hear that if we do not that we are asshole racist pigs and every other word you can think of.

*sighs* So you're OK with gays but you don't want to accept them. You also don't want to take heat as bigots, even though you don't accept them, although all the poeple you know down there are OK with them.

I call this wanting to have your cake, and eating it too. What would you call it?

A good number of people do not vote. Older persons (fossil vote) and organizations who form voter blocks do vote 'religiously' while younger eligible voters often don't bother. If voting was compulsory, the outcome would've been much different since younger voters especially tend to be more liberal and support gay rights. In a generation or two such matters will likely be revisited and with a different outcome.
Hmmm. Define "older persons ( fossil vote )" for me, please.

Does a majority need to support a minority, in order for the minority to have rights?
that, a couple martyrs, and some militant groups

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I already know someone is going to say something about southerners hating gays and this is basically false. Everyone I know down here is OK with gays, but we don't like to be forced to accept them and hear that if we do not that we are asshole racist pigs and every other word you can think of.[/QUOTE]

If "everyone you know" is "OK with gays" then you don't need to be forced to accept them. and actually, i consider homophobia racism. So yeah, if you don't accept them, and i'm not saying that you have to have a lot of gay friends or associate with them a lot, but if you harrass them, then i consider you as bad as any other racist. There's nothing wrong with being gay. As long as you think there is then you'll still be a homophobic. Which i consider wrong. But hey, who am i to tell you what to think. Live and let live, neh?

Well that slavery thing and the the following lynchings kind of give a bad image. The KKK being in the south does not help either.

But to the question at hand.

The majority is not always right. Certain laws are inacted to protect a minority from the majority at times. For example, if it was not for the Consititution what would prevent the Christian Majority from enacting laws against other Religions?

Look at Mississippi. The stuff that went on against blacks was viewed by a majority as acceptable.

What did a majority of people think about black kids in school at Little Rock?

The Gay marriage thing was a red herring the republicans siezed on to motivate the evangalistas to vote.

Compromise would have been good here.

What is wrong with civil cerimonies?
What is wrong with the life mate getting survivor benefits?
What is wrong with allowing a lover entering a hospitol room if the other is sick?
What is wrong with a lover getting on an issurance plan.

I know of one case of a man that died of aids. He was disowned by his hard core Christian family. Yet the swarmed like vultures over his assets and left his lover with nothing.

This whole event bothers me as it is another chip gone from the Church State seperation.

Religion defines marriage as a man and a woman and now several states are mandating it.

I really think that if there is enough states that enact such legislation; there will be an attempt to make a Constitutional amendment.

To start the conspiracy theorists! This would be an opportune time for the Republicans to change the natural citizen rule so that Arnie can run! :p

if I remember correctly ( I will have to look it up as it has been a while since I have read about it) didnt the majority of America agree on segrigation of schools? Didn't "radical" judges overturn those laws? I think I read somewhere that about 80% of America was against intigration of black and white schools.

I've been hearing for the past 6 months about how gays should have equal rights and everybody is just so perky to the idea, but the ban just got passed in all 11 states who had it on the ballot. It seems to me that the minority just got a lot of press time and they did not fully represent the views of all Americans.

I already know someone is going to say something about southerners hating gays and this is basically false. Everyone I know down here is OK with gays, but we don't like to be forced to accept them and hear that if we do not that we are asshole racist pigs and every other word you can think of.

Of course the majority supports gays.

But the majority, apparently, disagrees with whatever it is that "support" means to gays.

What does support mean to gays..?

"Support for homosexuals" in the Capitalist States of America means passing legislation and state constitutional amendments to ban homosexual marriage and civil unions, thus eliminating any semblence of marriage for gays. In some states, they aren't even afforded the right to give their partner power of attorney.

Where did you hear about America liking gays? This country's a hate-mongering hellhole.

As angry as I am that these bans passed, and that the majority was allowed to oppress the minority, I know this is a temporary thing, and within 20 years we'll have gay marriage and everyone will look back surprised that it took so long, with such opposition.

We'll have to fight for it, that's for sure, but it's fairly inevitable. More than half of 18-29 year olds support gay marriage. If they actually voted now, things would be different, but they'll vote in the future.

America is getting less religious, not more, and eventually everyone is going to accept separation of church and state.

By the way, the Oklahoma ban has been challenged, expect it to make its way to the US Supreme Court.

I've pretty much given up on the US. It's decades behind Europe socially.

As angry as I am that these bans passed, and that the majority was allowed to oppress the minority, I know this is a temporary thing, and within 20 years we'll have gay marriage and everyone will look back surprised that it took so long, with such opposition.

We'll have to fight for it, that's for sure, but it's fairly inevitable. More than half of 18-29 year olds support gay marriage. If they actually voted now, things would be different, but they'll vote in the future.

America is getting less religious, not more, and eventually everyone is going to accept separation of church and state.

By the way, the Oklahoma ban has been challenged, expect it to make its way to the US Supreme Court.
You seem to have a partisan Supreme Court. I just hope they finish reviewing the Juvenile Execution issue.

Does a majority need to support a minority, in order for the minority to have rights?

Support? or Tolerate?

When I say I'm OK with gays I mean that it wouldn't make a difference if I had a gay friend or not, but I still believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. I just don't like it when a group forces me to believe what they believe because if I don't then there is something wrong with me.

Maybe down the road we will have gay marriage, but that's up to the next generation.
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