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Esteemed colleagues of Nationstates, I am in need of your opinions. I am currently faced with a pressing dilemma, one that is painstakingly difficult to make.

I am being forced to choose between two lifelike, very realistic airsoft (bb) pistols:

The Glock G23 by Kuan Ju Works (gas blowback)

or

The Heckler and KOch Mark 23 Special Operations Command Pistol, made by Tokyo Marui (Non Blowback, gas operated)

I will provide links to each below; please give me what you think and why!

KJW GLock G23:
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filnavn=/reviews/kjw_g27/kjw_g27_review.htm
http://www.airsoftcore.com/reviews-30.html

TM SOCOM pistol:
http://www.unconventional-airsoft.com/information/tm-mk23-nbb-review.php
http://www.airsoftretreat.com/mk23shootout.asp

About the deals:
I'm buying two value packs off Ebay, which means that the Glock 23 comes with an additional clip and free shipping, for $120 USD. However, the SOCOM pistol comes with suppressor, LAM, and clip, for $130 USD.

I've been playing airsoft for over a year and a half now so I'll help you out.

I started out with a KSC Glock 26, similar to the 23 but KSC is a better manufacturer in my opinion. I've seen the TM SOCOM in action and thought it preformed very well, good all around accuracy and is well made.

If I were you I'd for the SOCOM.

Of course you could always do the smart thing and get an AEG... ;)

haha im poor
but thanx a lot for helping out

but which gun is better for skirmish?

but which gun is better for skirmish?

Go with the SOCOM, you'll love it. Might want to consider picking up some extra mags while your at it.

If you don't mind me asking, what part of the country are you from and maybe I could help you find a place to play?

haha im poor

LoL. After you buy your GBB, set some money aside for an AEG fund, that's what I did... :)

thanx a lot for helping out

Any time.

Heh,
In my opinion, I'd just as soon spend the $$$ on a real firearm. . . .:mp5:

Although if you MUST get an airsoft. . .
You really should get an AEG first. Then get a pistol.
Anyway, for the money, you can get a GBB Mac 10 from KSC or maybe Maruen(sp?)
I had one, and it worked pretty well. It is fully automatic, and since the gas is stored in the mag with ammo, reloading/recharging the gas is pretty easy.
Mags arent cheap either, but I got the ones that held 80 rds. With some work they can be made to hold and feed 100.

Otherwise, if you have large hands, get the USP, small/medium hands get the G23. Either one will work ok.

Go with the SOCOM, you'll love it. Might want to consider picking up some extra mags while your at it.

If you don't mind me asking, what part of the country are you from and maybe I could help you find a place to play?
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Hmm...

o im from New York, on the Long Island area (near NYC, about thirty miles out)... i've only found one field that allows airsoft games every so often (cousins, which doubles as a paintball field), but there are no 'pistol only' games, so i think i may be in trouble if i try to go pistol agains AEGs.

where are u from?

why why with the aegs already


about the pistols it realy dos depend upon what you want it for.


the KJW glock is very reliable, and has a faily decent range when run on abby ultra gas (AE winter) accuracy isnt the best though

the socom is extremly reliable (as are all TM guns bar the sigs) the accuracy is extremly good, almost as good as the ruger assasin which almost everyone in the UK wants to get. the silencer realy does work very well, perfect for night games for a quiet takedown. the lam unit is ok but nothing to write home about,


having fired and been on the reciving end of both of these my preferance is TBH for neither, get a GBB d. eagle hardkick if you havnt got an aeg as they can under the correct conditions and with a bit of practice be used against aegs on there own. but of the 2 you list, the socom for its accuracy and extras.



just on a side note what other kit do you game with and where? im based at MIA in england and my load out is either

maruzen m870 gas shotgun (full stock shell ejector) 2 GBB TM M92fs, 1 chrome d.eagle hardkick and some grenades and a smoke or 2

OR a APS2 SV with 3-9X50 scope and the above pistols

im juss a beginner, really, and as for my repetoire, nothing really much to write about, as i have one cheap, electric beretta, and i'm trying to find some smoke grenades. I'm going to look for a job soon to support airsoft, so for now, everything's theoretical.

Wish list:

V force Morph armor goggles
smoke grenades
flashbangs
Tokyo Marui SOCOM pistol (soon to be bought)
Olympic Arms M4A1 (or FN P90 by TM)

Oh, and what camouflage do you guys wear? I use the US woodland camo, but I think I see obvious advantages in MARPAT (or CADPAT digital camo) as well as British DPM.

why why with the aegs already


about the pistols it realy dos depend upon what you want it for.


the KJW glock is very reliable, and has a faily decent range when run on abby ultra gas (AE winter) accuracy isnt the best though

the socom is extremly reliable (as are all TM guns bar the sigs) the accuracy is extremly good, almost as good as the ruger assasin which almost everyone in the UK wants to get. the silencer realy does work very well, perfect for night games for a quiet takedown. the lam unit is ok but nothing to write home about,


having fired and been on the reciving end of both of these my preferance is TBH for neither, get a GBB d. eagle hardkick if you havnt got an aeg as they can under the correct conditions and with a bit of practice be used against aegs on there own. but of the 2 you list, the socom for its accuracy and extras.



just on a side note what other kit do you game with and where? im based at MIA in england and my load out is either

maruzen m870 gas shotgun (full stock shell ejector) 2 GBB TM M92fs, 1 chrome d.eagle hardkick and some grenades and a smoke or 2

OR a APS2 SV with 3-9X50 scope and the above pistols

While I like the Desert Eagle GBBs I have seen way too many of them go down to consider buying one.

Maybe the ones I've seen have just been lemons but I don't think I'd take the chance.

Good point about the gas not being reliable in winter, East Islandia, since you'll probably be using this pistol in wintertime try and get some winter specific gas.

My personal favortie gas pistol is this:

http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/images/xxkjw_mark1_jpg.jpg

http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/gas.htm

It says that it's sold out right now but if you send them an email they might dig one out for ya.

They have a lot of power and and are very accurate, the only bad thing to say about it is that it has a pretty hard trigger pull. It takes practice to learn how to pull the trigger quickly but it's a good buy and the guys at airsoft atlanta are very nice and will help you out.

And to answer your question, I'm from Alabama. :p

im juss a beginner, really, and as for my repetoire, nothing really much to write about, as i have one cheap, electric beretta, and i'm trying to find some smoke grenades. I'm going to look for a job soon to support airsoft, so for now, everything's theoretical.

Wish list:

V force Morph armor goggles
smoke grenades
flashbangs
Tokyo Marui SOCOM pistol (soon to be bought)
Olympic Arms M4A1 (or FN P90 by TM)

Oh, and what camouflage do you guys wear? I use the US woodland camo, but I think I see obvious advantages in MARPAT (or CADPAT digital camo) as well as British DPM.

Hey everyone has to start somewhere, I started with an EBB Desert Eagle myself. ;)

Looks like a nice wish list, however you won't find flashbangs anywhere and I doubt that any field will let you use them as flashbangs can really mess your body up.

I have two friends that have OA M4s, very nice.

As for the P90, I'm not a big fan of the way it looks but I got the chance to see it in action a couple of weeks ago. It preforms very well but all the plastic on it might eventually cause some problems. If you save up enough, go for the M4.

as a player i have on several occasions only used by gas guns in winter no aeg no spring backup. (this is in full woodland gaming)

cammo wise it realy depends upon what game is being played ( the site i go to creates alot of scenarios) i nomaly use either German flectarn trousers, shirt and assult vest and red army assult boot for the rare occasions i use aegs (normaly nigt games)

alternaly i use british DPM trouser jacket and a US tiger stripe tac vest when i have to play US/UK forces

with my shotgun i use a russian omon hunter 2 vest and dpm jacket and trousers


also i use twin flectarn holsters for my m92s and a viper drop leg holser for the d. eagle,


a note about deagles. when using them ALWAYS add silicone oil to the mag and lubricate them ALOT espeical if they havent been used for a few weeks that will rpoevent the seals from drying out and the slide from sticking,


also you say alot of dealges have gone down? how and what gas were you using if it was green (propane) then its possibly the mag seals that have gone
and were they older dealges or the new hardkicks? as i know the older deagles died for a past time, one of the reason TM stoped making them (and the fact they were a riop off of the KJW ones)


another question who the HELL are olympic arms? and where do you get the stuff from? i when i venture into getting another aeg (probably a minime or a 60) will either be going for TOP (have to ) or maybe a guarder moded AK with either the RPK or SVD kit but i am always looking for new manufactured with different stuff


edit can i be a cheeky sod and ask for some piccies of you in the woods with digi cammo on please. as IF i ever get new cammos its that or danish M84 kit

this is where i get my cammos from
www.flectarn.co.uk

and this is the home page of the site i play at
http://www.ironfoot.co.uk/mia/

Well, I am looking into getting an upgraded airsoft gun myself.

The question I have is this, I am thinking about whether I should get a high end shotty, such as the Tokyo Marui Banelli M4 Super 90, or the full metal Tokyo Marui SPAS-12 (not sure if I am getting the stock or no stock yet).

Part of the reason I wanted to get one of these instead of an AEG is cost. I just don't have the money or the need to shell out $400+ for an AK-47 (which is the AEG I would go with if I was gonna get one). Also, there is less maintanence.

But I'm not sure, what would you recommend? Are the Super 90 or the full metal SPAS-12 worth the buy?

Okay, what say you don't drop 130$ on a fake pistol and go buy yourself a rifle. A real one, Ruger 10/22 is the way to go. Provided you hate your second amendment rights and want a replica get the Glock, the SOCOM Mark 23 is a large and heavy weapon (the real one anyway).

edit: oh a new yorker, NY hates guns. just get the glock then. I have the same one, its nice and realistic enough.

Olympic Arms is an arms manufacturer here in the States.
They make AR-15's, and M1911 clones
They licensed their Name to Spartan Imports IIRC.

Heh.
I sold all my AEG's and bought AR-15's. Still have a TM Custom M733 tho.

all TM shotguns are great value for money but unless you are a very good player you will be out gunned. the range is about the same as a stock aeg BUT you cant upgrade them. i tried with my spas 12 and i just opened it up and went naaa it aint hapening. its not strong enough,


for CQB games the shotguns are great but for woods there too limited

as a preferance and having played with both the spas and the m3 i prefer a full stocked m3 as the spas is a touch to front heavy (says he who used to carry a full metal 8 kilo g3) and the stock just is pants realy and the pistol versions are good for carrying slung they are harder to aim accuratly

max spread on them is abou 3 inches

aeopia. not everyone wants to own a real firearm.

can i have a link to somewhere that sells the olympic arms stuff? or is it all colt owners club stuff

Well, I am looking into getting an upgraded airsoft gun myself.

The question I have is this, I am thinking about whether I should get a high end shotty, such as the Tokyo Marui Banelli M4 Super 90, or the full metal Tokyo Marui SPAS-12 (not sure if I am getting the stock or no stock yet).

Part of the reason I wanted to get one of these instead of an AEG is cost. I just don't have the money or the need to shell out $400+ for an AK-47 (which is the AEG I would go with if I was gonna get one). Also, there is less maintanence.

But I'm not sure, what would you recommend? Are the Super 90 or the full metal SPAS-12 worth the buy?

I don't know much about shotguns so I'll give you a link.

Tokyo Marui M3 Shotgun Review (http://www.airsoftretreat.com/features/reviews/tmm3/)

Tokyo Marui SPAS-12 Review (http://www.airsoftcore.com/reviews-95.html)

aeopia. not everyone wants to own a real firearm.

can i have a link to somewhere that sells the olympic arms stuff? or is it all colt owners club stuff

Olympic Arms M4 (http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/images/ics_m15_jpg.jpg)

Airsoft Atlanta (http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/airsoftelite.htm)

AHHHH ICS gear. be very very very careful if you get one of those the gearboxes are crap. getting beter but still bad. almost as bad as 1st gen classic army (see scrap metal in a box) even tho the new CA ones arnt that good. the metal bodies are nicer than the classic army ones, better made and fitting. maybe if ou get a broken or stripped TM m16 and retrofit the internals into the ICS body. that would leave you with a more reliable gaming peice

AHHHH ICS gear. be very very very careful if you get one of those the gearboxes are crap. getting beter but still bad. almost as bad as 1st gen classic army (see scrap metal in a box) even tho the new CA ones arnt that good. the metal bodies are nicer than the classic army ones, better made and fitting. maybe if ou get a broken or stripped TM m16 and retrofit the internals into the ICS body. that would leave you with a more reliable gaming peice

ICS' new Version 3 and 3.5 MP5s preform far better than the older versions did, you might want to check one out some time.

Yea, olympic arms makes real steel stuff, but theres also an olympic arms M4 out (That UT posted up).

Is flectarn that dotted German camouflage stuff? It looks kinda interesting, but I'm just not sure about adding red into the mix of colors.

Flecktarn reminds me of digital camo, only with rounder and bigger dots.

As for AEGs, am I correct in assuming that Tokyo Marui is the best bet?

Yea, olympic arms makes real steel stuff, but theres also an olympic arms M4 out (That UT posted up).

Is flectarn that dotted German camouflage stuff? It looks kinda interesting, but I'm just not sure about adding red into the mix of colors.

Flecktarn reminds me of digital camo, only with rounder and bigger dots.

As for AEGs, am I correct in assuming that Tokyo Marui is the best bet?

Yes, flecktarn is the dotted German camo, I would probably go with MARPAT digital camo, US Woodland, or Olive Drab.

Tokyo Marui has a very wide selection but I'm not a big fan of all the plastic they put on their AEGs.

My personal favorite company would be Airsoft Elite, basically they take ICS guns and upgrade them internally.

yes flectarn is the dotted cammo patern the red is not as visible as you may think, most players at my site use it on and off again pending which force they are playing alongside TM short guns eg bullpups, short length m16s, mp5s etc are ok with all plastic its the long guns, m16a1 and a2, g3 series (creek like a bugger) and the long sigs that have aproblem with all the plastic.

Does anybody know anything about KWC? My friend wants a Gas beretta, and he's gonna buy one off ebay, made by KWC, for sixty, seventy dollars.

Is that a good move? OR should he wait?