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I am disgraced that I am an American. Truly, I am.
Bush as won the election. So now we have a bible thumping liar in office.

You people think that Kerry is such a big liar. Look at Bush's political records. Taiwan bought several defensive weapons from America and where are they? Still sitting in America. Why? Because Bush is an idiot, and he lied about when they were going to arrive. They are still sitting in America.

Bush is also a complete idiot. Seriously, he is.
"Oil will never run out," go to your fucking science class.
"Iraq had weapons of mass destruction," read your fucking intel report, and stop switching your advisors just because you don't like the conclusion.
"We shall teach abstenince in school!" Idiot. That makes more teens pregnant. You only say so because your from Texas. Which has the highest rate of teen pregnancy BECAUSE YOU GUYS TEACH ABSTENENCE.

They say that the goverment reflects the people. Well its true. You have the democrats, and then you have jesus land.

Why did Bush win? Because there are more bible thumping hicks out there than there are intellegent democrats.

This is why I am disgraced that I am called an American. Bush in office has just labled me as an idiot. Someone who doesn't know jack shit about politics.

How many of you stupid bush voters know that theres a 100 million dollar helium stock pile? That thing takes 100 million dollars to maintain. PLUS: It will last us for about 100 years. Why the fuck do we want a helium reserve?

How many of you stupid bush voters know that Kerry voted out of the 88 billion dollar for the military due to pork? Do you people even know what pork is?

How many of you stupid bush voters know that your fucking stupid. Your fucking politically inaccurate.

North america is divided into 4 countries. Canada, Mexico, Democrats, and Jesusland.

Yes, Jesusland. The majority of you bush voters wanted bush to win because he is a nice christian guy who believes in the bible. I'm betting he supports sex after marriage because he was the looser who didn't get laid by the prom queen (neither did I, but I'm not stupid).

Or Tax Cuts. Whats so special about tax cuts? Give more money to the filthy rich, and leave the rest of us poor. Ooh, and lookie here, stupid poor hicks still vote bush because cut just rings through there mind, and they don't know any fucking thing about it. YOUR POOR, YOU WANT TO RAISE TAXES SO THE ECONEMY GETS BETTER! THEN YOU CAN MAYBE HAVE A FUCKING JOB.

The RICH people should the only people who want to Bush. Why? The tax cuts give you money. BUT NO! THE POOR PEOPLE VOTE FOR BUSH! THE MIDDLE CLASS VOTE FOR BUSH! THANK YOU ALL FOR FUCKING OUR COUNTRY OVER!!!

WHY IS ABORTION AN ISSUE?
WHY IS GAY MARRIAGE AN ISSUE?
ITS BECAUSE THE CHURCH WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE SO!!!!
Dude, worry about our damn economy before you resort to bible thumping beliefs. THATS NOT A FUCKING ISSUE!!!! CLOSING DOWN CIVIL WAR BATTLE FIELDS IS AN ISSUE! GOVERMENTAL CORRUPTION IS AN ISSUE!

Stupid Jesusland. . . Don't they teach anything in school to you guys? Don't you guys listen to people other than the church? DONT YOU PEOPLE WATCH FUCKING CNN!?!??!?!?!??!

cough move cough to canada cough loser cough

They probably do watch CNN. Bush administratiion officials are always on that channel, and that's the problem.

Some people think anyone not intimately familiar with the works of Leon Trotsky is an idiot.

Thank God for the Second Amendment.

He does make a good point about the US. After all, Bush is a two-face lying bible-thumper, and like the rest of the politicians is going to fuck over the US.

cough move cough to canada cough loser cough

Please don't move to Canada, we don't need any more liberals here.

If ECA wants to live with a bunch of retards, let him.

I personally, now hate all Americans. I hate the Republicans that voted for Bush, the Democrats, who made John Kerry their nominee, everyone who voted for a third party (Seriously, are Nader supporters INSANE?!) , and everyone who didn't vote at all. That pretty much covers everyone.

Flaming!!!

Why did Bush win? Because there are more bible thumping hicks out there than there are intellegent democrats.

This is why I am disgraced that I am called an American. Bush in office has just labled me as an idiot. Someone who doesn't know jack shit about politics.



Bush won because more people voted for him, more importantly he won the electoral college.

Democratic voters are more intelligent? Yeah inner city crackheads are one of the more intelligent voter blocks in the Democratic party. Not to mention scared minorities and seniorsworried about having to eat dog food, union sheep who vote for democrats every time, fanatical pinkos who want to impose their values on us. Yes only the most intelligent people vote democrap. ;) I'd rather have someone who drives around with a shotgun in their pick-up vote for a candidate, then some militant homosexual who wants to be allowed to have anal sex with children.

Hey if you want me too, I'll wire you the cash so you can take the next jet out of here. Try Cuba.

I could say the same about idiot liberals. Here in Canada the Liberal party has been in power for over 10 years, because liberals keep voting for them and their lies and corruption. Including a promise to eliminate the GST, which Chretein (spelling may be off) then said he never made (Even though there's tapes showing he did). The gun registry which ballooned way over budget, the Sponsorship scandal, HRDC, Shawinigate, and any other number of lies and corrupt actions. But idiot liberals keep voting for the liberals.

"some militant homosexual who wants to be allowed to have anal sex with children."

Yeah, NAMBLA will never get any kind of power. And also, what Democratic vandidate would get elected if he included that in his platform? Even liberals oppose that.

I am disgraced that I am an American. Truly, I am.
Bush as won the election. So now we have a bible thumping liar in office.
You already did this is his 2nd term.
You people think that Kerry is such a big liar. Look at Bush's political records. Taiwan bought several defensive weapons from America and where are they? Still sitting in America. Why? Because Bush is an idiot, and he lied about when they were going to arrive. They are still sitting in America.
China might get a bit edgey Bush signs things off but dosent make missile deals.
Bush is also a complete idiot. Seriously, he is.
"Oil will never run out," go to your fucking science class.
"Iraq had weapons of mass destruction," read your fucking intel report, and stop switching your advisors just because you don't like the conclusion.
"We shall teach abstenince in school!" Idiot. That makes more teens pregnant. You only say so because your from Texas. Which has the highest rate of teen pregnancy BECAUSE YOU GUYS TEACH ABSTENENCE.
Oil demand is not being sustained.Oil is a renewable resources as it requires dead matter to produce got 5million years?
They say that the goverment reflects the people. Well its true. You have the democrats, and then you have jesus land.

Why did Bush win? Because there are more bible thumping hicks out there than there are intellegent democrats.
Founding fathers were bible thumping hicks you have a long standing tradition
This is why I am disgraced that I am called an American. Bush in office has just labled me as an idiot. Someone who doesn't know jack shit about politics.

How many of you stupid bush voters know that theres a 100 million dollar helium stock pile? That thing takes 100 million dollars to maintain. PLUS: It will last us for about 100 years. Why the fuck do we want a helium reserve?
Havent you heard thats why Bush makes so many gaffes in speechs.Helium is good for D/S diving Air deredgables,Ballons and Funny voices of
How many of you stupid bush voters know that Kerry voted out of the 88 billion dollar for the military due to pork? Do you people even know what pork is?

How many of you stupid bush voters know that your fucking stupid. Your fucking politically inaccurate.

North america is divided into 4 countries. Canada, Mexico, Democrats, and Jesusland.

Yes, Jesusland. The majority of you bush voters wanted bush to win because he is a nice christian guy who believes in the bible. I'm betting he supports sex after marriage because he was the looser who didn't get laid by the prom queen (neither did I, but I'm not stupid).
Kerry believes in the Bible to Nader voter aye.

Or Tax Cuts. Whats so special about tax cuts? Give more money to the filthy rich, and leave the rest of us poor. Ooh, and lookie here, stupid poor hicks still vote bush because cut just rings through there mind, and they don't know any fucking thing about it. YOUR POOR, YOU WANT TO RAISE TAXES SO THE ECONEMY GETS BETTER! THEN YOU CAN MAYBE HAVE A FUCKING JOB.

The RICH people should the only people who want to Bush. Why? The tax cuts give you money. BUT NO! THE POOR PEOPLE VOTE FOR BUSH! THE MIDDLE CLASS VOTE FOR BUSH! THANK YOU ALL FOR FUCKING OUR COUNTRY OVER!!!

WHY IS ABORTION AN ISSUE?
WHY IS GAY MARRIAGE AN ISSUE?
ITS BECAUSE THE CHURCH WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE SO!!!!
Dude, worry about our damn economy before you resort to bible thumping beliefs. THATS NOT A FUCKING ISSUE!!!! CLOSING DOWN CIVIL WAR BATTLE FIELDS IS AN ISSUE! GOVERMENTAL CORRUPTION IS AN ISSUE!

Stupid Jesusland. . . Don't they teach anything in school to you guys? Don't you guys listen to people other than the church? DONT YOU PEOPLE WATCH FUCKING CNN!?!??!?!?!??!

Me smell AYMS
ill critics the rest later :D

Bush won because more people voted for him, more importantly he won the electoral college.

Democratic voters are more intelligent? Yeah inner city crackheads are one of the more intelligent voter blocks in the Democratic party. Not to mention scared minorities and seniorsworried about having to eat dog food, union sheep who vote for democrats every time, fanatical pinkos who want to impose their values on us. Yes only the most intelligent people vote democrap. ;) I'd rather have someone who drives around with a shotgun in their pick-up vote for a candidate, then some militant homosexual who wants to be allowed to have anal sex with children.

Hey if you want me too, I'll wire you the cash so you can take the next jet out of here. Try Cuba.

Wow. That's really offensive.

and the orignal post isn't?

Before you get banned, which you will, answer me this please:

Not that I favour lowering taxes for the rich, but just how does raising taxes help the economy?

The original post, while strong, goes off about bible-thumping and such. It's certainly rude.

However, the statement about homosexuals was just unnecessary and offensive.

Wow. That's really offensive.

Hey little buddy, can you tell me exactly how was my retort offensive? I used no profanity, no threats of violence, no name calling, no anger, no intolerence, no hatred.

BTW you have the right to be offended.

The original post, while strong, goes off about bible-thumping and such. It's certainly rude.

However, the statement about homosexuals was just unnecessary and offensive.


Did you not notice I used the term "militant" homosexuals? Are you offended by that term?

Before you get banned, which you will, answer me this please:

Not that I favour lowering taxes for the rich, but just how does raising taxes help the economy?

Pay off national debt.
Every year we are in several million dollars in debt. So we have to wait for the next tax round in order to pay it off. The more we give tax cuts, the more debts accumulate. Sooner or later we wont be able to pay them off.

Also, we lose alot of money due to tax evasion by rich people. So we should just have a flat tax cut (such as nader wants, but we cant even vote for nader in NJ)

I'll apoligize for being rude, but it builds up, and someones gotta vent to the public.

see above... and thank you for your civility. That's not to be taken as a sarcastic statement- I mean it.

Mostly, I resent the implication. And I suppose I should ammend my above statement a little: I can see how one would find the first post offensive with the implication that Bush-voters are all stupid and bible-thumping. I still find the homosexual statement to be offensive as well.

The original post, while strong, goes off about bible-thumping and such. It's certainly rude.

However, the statement about homosexuals was just unnecessary and offensive.
And none of this was unnecessary and offensive:

North america is divided into 4 countries. Canada, Mexico, Democrats, and Jesusland.

Yes, Jesusland. The majority of you bush voters wanted bush to win because he is a nice christian guy who believes in the bible. I'm betting he supports sex after marriage because he was the looser who didn't get laid by the prom queen (neither did I, but I'm not stupid).

Ooh, and lookie here, stupid poor hicks still vote bush because cut just rings through there mind, and they don't know any (profanity) thing about it.

Bush is also a complete idiot. Seriously, he is.

Why did Bush win? Because there are more bible thumping hicks out there than there are intellegent democrats.

This is why I am disgraced that I am called an American. Bush in office has just labled me as an idiot. Someone who doesn't know jack shit about politics.

Pay off national debt.
Every year we are in several million dollars in debt. So we have to wait for the next tax round in order to pay it off. The more we give tax cuts, the more debts accumulate. Sooner or later we wont be able to pay them off.

Also, we lose alot of money due to tax evasion by rich people. So we should just have a flat tax cut (such as nader wants, but we cant even vote for nader in NJ)

And this... creates jobs somehow? ...lowers healthcare costs? ...lowers our trade deficit?

Did you not notice I used the term "militant" homosexuals? Are you offended by that term?

I have to ask what you mean by militant. I'm more offended by the child molesting part. I took militant to be gay crusaders, but you may not have meant that.

More articulately: if you meant militant to mean gay crusaders, I'm offended by the implication that militant homosexuals are child molesters.

And none of this was unnecessary and offensive:

I amended that statement. Also, my point was not to compare them. I saw a statement that offended me. I said something. That's all.

Hey little buddy, can you tell me exactly how was my retort offensive? I used no profanity, no threats of violence, no name calling, no anger, no intolerence, no hatred.

BTW you have the right to be offended.

Would it be offensive if I called all Republicans drunken-brain-damaged awol-guardsmen who want to sell our jobs to India? Racist sexist homophobic people who think that non-Christians cannot be true Americans?

This pinhead I work with said that Kerry wanted to outsource our jobs. We had to tell him that Kerry wants to close the tax loopholes that make that profitable, the ones that came in under Bush and his right-wing congress. This is the intelligence level of Republicans: he also advocated nuking, literally, anyone who pissed us off.

Democrats are crack-head child molesters? Any proof at all? Even anecdotal?

I have to ask what you mean by militant. I'm more offended by the child molesting part. I took militant to be gay crusaders, but you may not have meant that.

More articulately: if you meant militant to mean gay crusaders, I'm offended by the implication that militant homosexuals are child molesters.


Alas some extreme militants are child molestors. Members of nambla do not think sexual relations with young boys is molestation, and in fact think it is healthy. I was only saying that a very small amount of militant homosexuals are indeed molestors. DO NOT Get me wrong, the vast majority of gays are not like this. I am not incriminating the whole community.

BTW "Gay Crusader"???? That's a new term for me. Do they ride around on horses with their rainbow flags, pink shields, and spectacular hairdos?

Alas some extreme militants are child molestors.

Alas some fundementalist christian preachers are child molesters. Point?

First off, Bush isn't really a "bible-thumper", as appealing to a religious majority of the nation doesn't qualify as "bible-thumping." Did you know that the swearing in of the president doesn't require that he/she doesn't have to put his hand on the bible. Or that George W. Bush didn't put his hand on a bible? Facts may be facts, that there are religious zealots in the land of freedom who voted for Bush.

But there are also libertarian voters who believe in smaller government, less governmental regulation of everything, a flat tax system instead of outdated loophole filled tax code, Social Security that will actually work, and last a helluva lot longer than the current system. The fact is, we don't know what our country would be like with Kerry in office, so saying 'Bush is a Moron and so is every one who voted for him' doesn't change anything. And as for the "Jesusland" crack, who really gives a shit? Religious people are people too. They just allow their religious beliefs to dictate their political beliefs, and they vote accordingly. For myself, a "non-believer", Abortion, Gay Marriage, and Affirmative Action are not issues, because they don't influence me.

What does influence me are the political agendas of those running for office, who's to say what John Kerry's Position was on anything? He was a pro-war candidate prior to Howard Dean taking the Anti-War candidate stance, and so to gain more of the popular vote, he changed his position. Mind you, this is not about Kerry's "flip-flops" or about Bush's "Weapon of Mass Deception". This is about fact. Tax cuts benefit every person similarly. A certain percentage was given out to those who actually pay taxes. I didn't see any of it because I didn't make any money, but my roommate did. So did my girlfriend. The fact that wealthier people saw a greater portion than those making less money is just representative of the fact that they paid more taxes to begin with. "Tax cuts for the Rich" has long been rhetoric against the Republican Party, but raising taxes on one class of people only increases the monetary division of our country. Equality is what we all seek, that we all be given an equal chance to succeed in reaching our goals at birth, and not held down by differences in family income, by skin color or religion. That all men be given the same rights and liberties as every one else. The fact is that all men are not created equal, but imposing a greater burden on someone for their difference will not bring about social equality.

What makes more teens pregnant? I have to say that school shouldn't even be burdened with this responsibility. Parents should teach children about sexuality from an early age so that it doesn't grow into an embarassing subject. It may be hard to learn about it from a parent or guardian, but learning about sex and the nature of reproduction from a complete stranger is harder. What makes more teens pregnant? The blame cannot be placed solely on an organization who advocates abstinence, abstinence prevents pregnancy. No, the fault must lie with those who choose to have sex prior to a meaningful and lasting adult relationship.

My point in responding to your statement is thus: You are apparently an ass who seeks to belittle those with different opinions then your own. Perhaps you actually had a point in your statement other than this, but it wasn't truly apparent. Making claims and providing no proof for them creates logic holes which make people ignore the claims, or to get angry about the insults they've read. Make a logical, precise argument, or don't, but don't just throw around insults.

I am disgraced that I am an American. Truly, I am.
Bush as won the election. So now we have a bible thumping liar in office.

You people think that Kerry is such a big liar. Look at Bush's political records. Taiwan bought several defensive weapons from America and where are they? Still sitting in America. Why? Because Bush is an idiot, and he lied about when they were going to arrive. They are still sitting in America.

Bush is also a complete idiot. Seriously, he is.
"Oil will never run out," go to your fucking science class.
"Iraq had weapons of mass destruction," read your fucking intel report, and stop switching your advisors just because you don't like the conclusion.
"We shall teach abstenince in school!" Idiot. That makes more teens pregnant. You only say so because your from Texas. Which has the highest rate of teen pregnancy BECAUSE YOU GUYS TEACH ABSTENENCE.

They say that the goverment reflects the people. Well its true. You have the democrats, and then you have jesus land.

Why did Bush win? Because there are more bible thumping hicks out there than there are intellegent democrats.

This is why I am disgraced that I am called an American. Bush in office has just labled me as an idiot. Someone who doesn't know jack shit about politics.

How many of you stupid bush voters know that theres a 100 million dollar helium stock pile? That thing takes 100 million dollars to maintain. PLUS: It will last us for about 100 years. Why the fuck do we want a helium reserve?

How many of you stupid bush voters know that Kerry voted out of the 88 billion dollar for the military due to pork? Do you people even know what pork is?

How many of you stupid bush voters know that your fucking stupid. Your fucking politically inaccurate.

North america is divided into 4 countries. Canada, Mexico, Democrats, and Jesusland.

Yes, Jesusland. The majority of you bush voters wanted bush to win because he is a nice christian guy who believes in the bible. I'm betting he supports sex after marriage because he was the looser who didn't get laid by the prom queen (neither did I, but I'm not stupid).

Or Tax Cuts. Whats so special about tax cuts? Give more money to the filthy rich, and leave the rest of us poor. Ooh, and lookie here, stupid poor hicks still vote bush because cut just rings through there mind, and they don't know any fucking thing about it. YOUR POOR, YOU WANT TO RAISE TAXES SO THE ECONEMY GETS BETTER! THEN YOU CAN MAYBE HAVE A FUCKING JOB.

The RICH people should the only people who want to Bush. Why? The tax cuts give you money. BUT NO! THE POOR PEOPLE VOTE FOR BUSH! THE MIDDLE CLASS VOTE FOR BUSH! THANK YOU ALL FOR FUCKING OUR COUNTRY OVER!!!

WHY IS ABORTION AN ISSUE?
WHY IS GAY MARRIAGE AN ISSUE?
ITS BECAUSE THE CHURCH WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE SO!!!!
Dude, worry about our damn economy before you resort to bible thumping beliefs. THATS NOT A FUCKING ISSUE!!!! CLOSING DOWN CIVIL WAR BATTLE FIELDS IS AN ISSUE! GOVERMENTAL CORRUPTION IS AN ISSUE!

Stupid Jesusland. . . Don't they teach anything in school to you guys? Don't you guys listen to people other than the church? DONT YOU PEOPLE WATCH FUCKING CNN!?!??!?!?!??!

Rub one off next time you consider posting something like this. It helps with teenage angst.

Would it be offensive if I called all Republicans drunken-brain-damaged awol-guardsmen who want to sell our jobs to India? Racist sexist homophobic people who think that non-Christians cannot be true Americans?

This pinhead I work with said that Kerry wanted to outsource our jobs. We had to tell him that Kerry wants to close the tax loopholes that make that profitable, the ones that came in under Bush and his right-wing congress. This is the intelligence level of Republicans: he also advocated nuking, literally, anyone who pissed us off.

Democrats are crack-head child molesters? Any proof at all? Even anecdotal?


No I wouldn't be offended as I have a spine. You can say anything you want and I could care less, much less be offended. Esp by someone on the "internets". Don't forget all of us Republicans are Inbred, war-mongering, slave owners. ;)

About the crackhead thing, a democratic campaign worker did pay a crackhead with sweet, sweet crack (http://www.watton.org/drugsinfo/graphics/crack.jpg) to get more democrats registered to vote. If it happened once, it can happen again.

Alas some extreme militants are child molestors.

Alas, some people shotguns in their pick-up trucks are too. Some straight people are child molestors too. Some people of many groups are also child molestors. Dare I say it, some priests are child molestors. Yet, you attributed this characteristic to militant homosexuals. You distinctly chose that group of people. That really bothered me. In fact, you could have said "than some militant homosexual" and ended the statement there. I probably wouldn't have said anything.

I am disgraced that I am an American. Truly, I am.

I stopped reading after this, because the post was obviously just an unbearably long rant.

The only thing I can say is: We have open borders. You are free to leave anytime you want. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Alas some extreme militants are child molestors. Members of nambla do not think sexual relations with young boys is molestation, and in fact think it is healthy. I was only saying that a very small amount of militant homosexuals are indeed molestors. DO NOT Get me wrong, the vast majority of gays are not like this. I am not incriminating the whole community.

BTW "Gay Crusader"???? That's a new term for me. Do they ride around on horses with their rainbow flags, pink shields, and spectacular hairdos?

I'm sorry, I only saw the first sentence of your statement above. Some of my last post still applies though: you chose that group of people. You chose to throw in child molesting when you didn't have to.

As for gay crusader, my dad uses the term. It's not my favorite term, but I thought it would get the point across. He uses it to describe gay people who are constantly all about the cause and not concerned with anyhting else. But I think I like your definition better.

YOUR POOR, YOU WANT TO RAISE TAXES SO THE ECONEMY GETS BETTER! THEN YOU CAN MAYBE HAVE A FUCKING JOB.


Leaving aside all the other garbage you spounted, in what twisted world does this statement about taxes makes sense? Raise taxes and the economy gets better and has more jobs? I cant even begin to understand the logic behind a statement like that.

Alas, some people shotguns in their pick-up trucks are too. Some straight people are child molestors too. Some people of many groups are also child molestors. Dare I say it, some priests are child molestors. Yet, you attributed this characteristic to militant homosexuals. You distinctly chose that group of people. That really bothered me. In fact, you could have said "than some militant homosexual" and ended the statement there. I probably wouldn't have said anything.

Well little buddy, I didn't mean to hurt you so bad. I apologize. You must learn to not be so easily offended. :(

No I wouldn't be offended as I have a spine. You can say anything you want and I could care less, much less be offended. Esp by someone on the "internets". Don't forget all of us Republicans are Inbred, war-mongering, slave owners. ;)

About the crackhead thing, a democratic campaign worker did pay a crackhead with sweet, sweet crack (http://www.watton.org/drugsinfo/graphics/crack.jpg) to get more democrats registered to vote. If it happened once, it can happen again.


Hey! I have a spine. It's not like I'm off crying in a corner- I just was offended. That's all.

Bush as won the election. So now we have a bible thumping liar in office.
Right. Instead of a habitual liar with no sense of morals like Kerry.

Well little buddy, I didn't mean to hurt you so bad. I apologize. You must learn to not be so easily offended. :(

Apology accepted. Eh, I like my socially-concerned mind. Don't worry, my heart isn't aching from your comment. Again, I really appreciate the civil discussion- it's nice to see somebody else who feels like everything on the forum doesn't need to be a war.

Bush won because more people voted for him, more importantly he won the electoral college.

Democratic voters are more intelligent? Yeah inner city crackheads are one of the more intelligent voter blocks in the Democratic party. Not to mention scared minorities and seniorsworried about having to eat dog food, union sheep who vote for democrats every time, fanatical pinkos who want to impose their values on us. Yes only the most intelligent people vote democrap. ;) I'd rather have someone who drives around with a shotgun in their pick-up vote for a candidate, then some militant homosexual who wants to be allowed to have anal sex with children.

Hey if you want me too, I'll wire you the cash so you can take the next jet out of here. Try Cuba.

The top nine states with the best education went for Kerry. And then as the list went down the line, Bush got more and more of the lower ranking states. Plus Bush only one by 3% in the popular vote even if it did come down to 200,000 people or so that made him win. Anyways, Bush is a hypocrite because he sends off men and women to die, which is as bad as abortions, and worse than gay marriages (since when does gay marriage kill people?). Another thing, there is something called the seperation of religion and state plus the pursuit of happiness (even if it should only be protected when you're not harming another person or thing). I am just saying, with the republicans running the show, some extreme hypocrites, we see if things really do improve since they have ran out of people to blame.

Another thing... Kerry has morals, and religious beliefs instead he just knows that this country is found on the seperation of state and religion. Bush lies, Bush sends people off to their deaths, and he is trying to alienate people of different religion.Granted, Kerry was far from the best nominee, he was better than Bush. Only three million more (a small number) thought Bush was better. It was divided, any great president would have won it a lot more by 3%. But Bush isn't as bad as some of the republican senators that was elected *sigh*

Hey! I have a spine. It's not like I'm off crying in a corner- I just was offended. That's all.

Let's call a truce, you and I. Peace! (http://www.artlebedev.ru/studio/posters/handshake/handshake-800x600.jpg)

BTW you have to remember sociopaths like me love to stir up trouble. ;)

I have to ask what you mean by militant. I'm more offended by the child molesting part. I took militant to be gay crusaders, but you may not have meant that.

More articulately: if you meant militant to mean gay crusaders, I'm offended by the implication that militant homosexuals are child molesters.

An example of militant homosexuals is NAMBLA. National Man Boy Love Assocciation.

An example of militant homosexuals is NAMBLA. National Man Boy Love Assocciation.


So, by "militant," you meant child molesting. That's a very odd definition for the word "militant."

I think you've missed my point. I'm not saying that some homosexuals aren't child molesters. Some are. But some straight people are, too. So are some of many other groups in the world.

The top nine states with the best education went for Kerry. And then as the list went down the line, Bush got more and more of the lower ranking states. Plus Bush only one by 3% in the popular vote even if it did come down to 200,000 people or so that made him win. Anyways, Bush is a hypocrite because he sends off men and women to die, which is as bad as abortions, and worse than gay marriages (since when does gay marriage kill people?). Another thing, there is something called the seperation of religion and state plus the pursuit of happiness (even if it should only be protected when you're not harming another person or thing). I am just saying, with the republicans running the show, some extreme hypocrites, we see if things really do improve since they have ran out of people to blame.

You forget to remember that judges determined there was a seperation of church and state. No where in the constitution does it say that there is a church and state seperation.

BTW everyone who joins the military knows what they are getting into when they enlist, plus it is purely a volunteer military. When was the last time a fetus volunteered to be sucked in the garbage?

Let's call a truce, you and I. Peace! (http://www.artlebedev.ru/studio/posters/handshake/handshake-800x600.jpg)

BTW you have to remember sociopaths like me love to stir up trouble. ;)

Peace! :).

Please tell me this person has been banned. I've seen conservative voices silenced on this forum for a lot less.

Pay off national debt.
Every year we are in several million dollars in debt. So we have to wait for the next tax round in order to pay it off. The more we give tax cuts, the more debts accumulate. Sooner or later we wont be able to pay them off.
Incorrect. Lower taxes stimulate commerce, which results in businesses making more money, which results in them paying more taxes, which results in an INCREASE in government revenue.
Also, we lose alot of money due to tax evasion by rich people.
Cliched, stereotypical class-envy. It wouldn't even be possible if consumption were taxed instead of income. But the people who are jealous of anyone with a dollar more than them will never allow it. They don't really care if their situation is improved or not, as long as the government STICKS it to those EVIL rich people. :mp5:

Please tell me this person has been banned. I've seen conservative voices silenced on this forum for a lot less.
Absolutely! Unfortunately, all the mods are in complete agreement, so it will never happen. They are not moderators, they are censors.

So, by "militant," you meant child molesting. That's a very odd definition for the word "militant."

I think you've missed my point. I'm not saying that some homosexuals aren't child molesters. Some are. But some straight people are, too. So are some of many other groups in the world.

Look, I dont want to start this up after you and the tru right just ended it. So how about we just forget I made that comment about NAMBLA.

The top nine states with the best education went for Kerry. And then as the list went down the line, Bush got more and more of the lower ranking states.
Bad way of measuring who got the more educated vote. Kerry and the Democrats, for the second time in a row, beat out the Republicans for people without a highschool diploma, only again gaining the majority for those with postgraduate degrees, but not by a landslide there. Bush won those with diplomas, some college, and a college degree.

Absolutely! Unfortunately, all the mods are in complete agreement, so it will never happen. They are not moderators, they are censors.

Hardly. The mods here are pretty tollerant.

If a person was banned it was for a reason.

Some people actually attack the mods and get banned.
Some people go overboard with profanity and threats.

Finally, don't forget you might be reading the posts of an alias of a person who was banned.

Censorship is part of the job. Use of this board is not a democracy. You use it for free as long as you abide by the rules!

I havent gone to church in over ten years, and ya know what? Abortion and gay marriage are still an issue to me. :mad: You cant go on saying that just because someone goes to church or lives in the boondocks, that makes them an automatic bush lover. Its absolutly gross. Besides, after the Osama bin Laden tape it was important for bush to win just to prove to terrosists they dont control us.

Hey buddy.....four more years...you better begin dealing with it.. :)

How many of you stupid bush voters know that theres a 100 million dollar helium stock pile? That thing takes 100 million dollars to maintain. PLUS: It will last us for about 100 years. Why the fuck do we want a helium reserve?

I'm guessing you're a stupid non-Bush voter, so here is your answer:

A large-scale plant was built in Fort Worth under the jurisdiction of the Navy Department, and operated for the government by the Linde Air Products Company, circa World War I. This was the same helium that was denied Germany for their zeppelins.

Now, as to why:
Helium is actually not produced in very many places. In fact, Texas produces most of the helium for the planet. At least part of the stockpile is strategic, as helium has many uses, such as cryogenics, leak detection, and synthetic breathing mixtures. Then another part is consigned for the space program.

Various companies also buy helium for use in floating balloons and airships, in a mixture with oxygen to relieve asthma and other respiratory diseases, for welding magnesium, aluminum, and stainless steel, and in radio tubes, electrical searchlights, and deep-sea diving equipment. It is also nice to use in party balloons.

The stockpile is not static. It actually turns over and generates some profit. It will never totally cover costs, however, as it is a government service, not a government business.

Hardly. The mods here are pretty tollerant.Yeah, right. As long as you agree with their politics, they are.

If a person was banned it was for a reason.
Yes, but it seems those reasons differ, depending on the poster's political viewpoint.

Some people actually attack the mods and get banned.
I like living on the edge! :cool:
Finally, don't forget you might be reading the posts of an alias of a person who was banned.
True. I may even be one of those. :D

Bush won, Kerry lost. In Moronicanistan, posting like this will get you executed. You are inferior and a mental defective for saying what you said. A true sign of inbreeding and bad child care. Your parents must have been smoking crack and whoring themselves out for money while on welfare rather than raising you right.

Besides, after the Osama bin Laden tape it was important for bush to win just to prove to terrosists they dont control us.


They do control you. Osama bin Laden has merely to lift a finger, a terrorist attack goes off, and you all vote for Bush. He endorsed Bush directly. He got Bush.

How is that not control?

Perhaps I should translate the screaming liberals' mindless babble:
They are afraid that they might possibly not be able to peddle porn to children, lose the ability to disgrace marrage by pushing the homosexual agenda onto American families, and lose the "right" to murder inocent babies.
This is why Kerry lost and Bush won; people actually give a damn about moral values.

They do control you. Osama bin Laden has merely to lift a finger, a terrorist attack goes off, and you all vote for Bush. He endorsed Bush directly. He got Bush.

How is that not control?
It's not control because your conclusion is false. OBL never endorsed Bush. In fact, in the most recent tape, he urged Americans NOT to vote for Bush. How is that endorsement?

(cant resist this)

America is great! First, they put an ape in space. Now they put an ape in the presidency.

(Sorry, couldnt resist lol)

(cant resist this)

America is great! First, they put an ape in space. Now they put an ape in the presidency.

(Sorry, couldnt resist lol)

And then an ape tried to make a humorous post.

... lose the ability to disgrace marrage by pushing the homosexual agenda onto American families...

Plenty of straight people have already done a good job "disgracing" marriage (the first Britney Spears marriage comes to mind...)

Maybe the people who give a damn about moral values ought to teach them or provide the example to follow rather than trying to change every law

Bad way of measuring who got the more educated vote. Kerry and the Democrats, for the second time in a row, beat out the Republicans for people without a highschool diploma, only again gaining the majority for those with postgraduate degrees, but not by a landslide there. Bush won those with diplomas, some college, and a college degree.

Anyone else notice the states more likely to be targets of terrorism (i.e. NY, DC, Cali) all went Democrat? I found that pretty interesting...

I am disgraced that I am an American. Truly, I am.
Bush as won the election. So now we have a bible thumping liar in office.

You people think that Kerry is such a big liar. Look at Bush's political records. Taiwan bought several defensive weapons from America and where are they? Still sitting in America. Why? Because Bush is an idiot, and he lied about when they were going to arrive. They are still sitting in America.

Bush is also a complete idiot. Seriously, he is.
"Oil will never run out," go to your fucking science class.
"Iraq had weapons of mass destruction," read your fucking intel report, and stop switching your advisors just because you don't like the conclusion.
"We shall teach abstenince in school!" Idiot. That makes more teens pregnant. You only say so because your from Texas. Which has the highest rate of teen pregnancy BECAUSE YOU GUYS TEACH ABSTENENCE.

They say that the goverment reflects the people. Well its true. You have the democrats, and then you have jesus land.

Why did Bush win? Because there are more bible thumping hicks out there than there are intellegent democrats.

This is why I am disgraced that I am called an American. Bush in office has just labled me as an idiot. Someone who doesn't know jack shit about politics.

How many of you stupid bush voters know that theres a 100 million dollar helium stock pile? That thing takes 100 million dollars to maintain. PLUS: It will last us for about 100 years. Why the fuck do we want a helium reserve?

How many of you stupid bush voters know that Kerry voted out of the 88 billion dollar for the military due to pork? Do you people even know what pork is?

How many of you stupid bush voters know that your fucking stupid. Your fucking politically inaccurate.

North america is divided into 4 countries. Canada, Mexico, Democrats, and Jesusland.

Yes, Jesusland. The majority of you bush voters wanted bush to win because he is a nice christian guy who believes in the bible. I'm betting he supports sex after marriage because he was the looser who didn't get laid by the prom queen (neither did I, but I'm not stupid).

Or Tax Cuts. Whats so special about tax cuts? Give more money to the filthy rich, and leave the rest of us poor. Ooh, and lookie here, stupid poor hicks still vote bush because cut just rings through there mind, and they don't know any fucking thing about it. YOUR POOR, YOU WANT TO RAISE TAXES SO THE ECONEMY GETS BETTER! THEN YOU CAN MAYBE HAVE A FUCKING JOB.

The RICH people should the only people who want to Bush. Why? The tax cuts give you money. BUT NO! THE POOR PEOPLE VOTE FOR BUSH! THE MIDDLE CLASS VOTE FOR BUSH! THANK YOU ALL FOR FUCKING OUR COUNTRY OVER!!!

WHY IS ABORTION AN ISSUE?
WHY IS GAY MARRIAGE AN ISSUE?
ITS BECAUSE THE CHURCH WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE SO!!!!
Dude, worry about our damn economy before you resort to bible thumping beliefs. THATS NOT A FUCKING ISSUE!!!! CLOSING DOWN CIVIL WAR BATTLE FIELDS IS AN ISSUE! GOVERMENTAL CORRUPTION IS AN ISSUE!

Stupid Jesusland. . . Don't they teach anything in school to you guys? Don't you guys listen to people other than the church? DONT YOU PEOPLE WATCH FUCKING CNN!?!??!?!?!??!

Jesusland..?

How much for a ticket on the crucifix ride..?

Anger managment or Europe, your choice. And CNN is biased to the left. Fox is biased to the right. The only unbiased network is C-Span which has a announcer that sounds like he is on muscle relaxer welcoming you to 10 hours of watch of a Congress Marathon.

It's not control because your conclusion is false. OBL never endorsed Bush. In fact, in the most recent tape, he urged Americans NOT to vote for Bush. How is that endorsement?


If the world's most famous terrorist told you specifically not to vote for Bush, who would you vote for?

Exactly.

Osama Bin Laden may be nuts, but he's far from stupid.

It's not control because your conclusion is false. OBL never endorsed Bush. In fact, in the most recent tape, he urged Americans NOT to vote for Bush. How is that endorsement?

Actually it is control.

George W. Bush is the best recruiter that the Al Qaeda organization has ever had, even better than Bin Ladin himself.

Bin Ladin wanted Bush to remain in office, as a glaring "proof" that Americans in fact are waging a war to destroy Islam and Muslims all across the world and to draw in more footmen for Al Qaeda. If he endorsed Bush for the campaign, he knew that he was reviled enough by the western world that people might start voting for Kerry in droves.

He did just the opposite. Bin Ladin knew that by subtly suggesting that he supported Kerry for office, that a vast majority of Americans would be enflamed with a "F*** You Sand N*****" attitude that makes them dig in with a support for Bush.

And he got just what he wanted, all along.

It's called Reverse Psychology, and too many Americans fell into his trap.

Actually it is control.

George W. Bush is the best recruiter that the Al Qaeda organization has ever had, even better than Bin Ladin himself.

Bin Ladin wanted Bush to remain in office, as a glaring "proof" that Americans in fact are waging a war to destroy Islam and Muslims all across the world and to draw in more footmen for Al Qaeda. If he endorsed Bush for the campaign, he knew that he was reviled enough by the western world that people might start voting for Kerry in droves.

He did just the opposite. Bin Ladin knew that by subtly suggesting that he supported Kerry for office, that a vast majority of Americans would be enflamed with a "F*** You Sand N*****" attitude that makes them dig in with a support for Bush.

And he got just what he wanted, all along.

It's called Reverse Psychology, and too many Americans fell into his trap.

Or he didn't want bush on his ass a lot and did reverse reverse psychology. O_o

Or he didn't want bush on his ass a lot and did reverse reverse psychology. O_o

Bush had been neither anywhere near, nor remotely interested in Bin Ladin's ass ever since he decided that invading and occupying Iraq was a great idea.

Bush had been neither anywhere near, nor remotely interested in Bin Ladin's ass ever since he decided that invading and occupying Iraq was a great idea.

Drawing would-be terrorists to fight in Iraq instead of the US is no bad policy. The US has a long history of fighting battles on other people's soil. It was a good idea then, and it's a good idea now.

Drawing would-be terrorists to fight in Iraq instead of the US is no bad policy. The US has a long history of fighting battles on other people's soil. It was a good idea then, and it's a good idea now.

We had a reason why we went to war. This war on Iraq just has no reason.

And the entire threat thing is pretty much BS. Iraq didn't have the fundings, or even the equipment to make nukes, bio weps, or any such items. Bush returned intel he recieved stating that fact and requested something that states Iraq did.

Sure, we could help the people, but you can't install democracy into a country like how were doing it. In order to install democracy, a country has to be flattened. I mean flattened, they have given up fighting and there will be no more insurgents (all democratic country has gone through something like this).

What were doing now is pointless, a waste of money, and were doing it all wrong.

I did not know of the later tape on Friday (I don't keep on top of all of the flipflopping of these terrorists and rightwingnuts.) I accept that point; he appears to have later endorsed Kerry. Probably grew wise, and realized he's going to make Bush win by endorsing Kerry.

But what I don't understand is why people are now claiming that Al'Quaeda has never ever endorsed Bush. They did so only last month. Curious, how hard it is to find this article now - especially since it got replaced on the top of the google results with the Kerry endorsement - and how few people seem to remember it. I saved it on my computer, so I still have it.

Here it is.

CAIRO (Reuters) - A group claiming to have links with al Qaeda said on Wednesday it was calling a truce in its Spanish operations to see if the new Madrid government would withdraw its troops from Iraq, a pan-Arab newspaper said.

In a statement sent to the Arabic language daily al-Hayat, the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades, which claimed responsibility for the Madrid bombings that killed 201 people, also urged its European units to stop all operations. ...

The statement said it supported President Bush in his reelection campaign, and would prefer him to win in November rather than the Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a leader “more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom.”

In comments addressed to Bush, the group said:

“Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilization.”

“Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected.”

we would be just as upset as you all,
Senator Kerry made remarks about Sadam Hussein
having weapons of mass destruction
and how dangerous that was.

He campainged against Deans
anti war stand.

I have never and will never call Kerry
or his supporters those names those of you call us.

I would like to know what you all would say
if we called you and your candidate those names
and insults.

I could say the same about idiot liberals. Here in Canada the Liberal party has been in power for over 10 years, because liberals keep voting for them and their lies and corruption. Including a promise to eliminate the GST, which Chretein (spelling may be off) then said he never made (Even though there's tapes showing he did). The gun registry which ballooned way over budget, the Sponsorship scandal, HRDC, Shawinigate, and any other number of lies and corrupt actions. But idiot liberals keep voting for the liberals.

one thing all govements do is lie go any where in the world and your find that, and honest govenment is an oxymoron.

dont like Bush and dont like Kerry
they like Nader and have a right
to vote for him if they like him
and he is on the ballot.

If I were a nader supporter
and democrats took him off the ballot
in my state I would vote for Bush just to show them.

If I were a nader supporter
and republicans took him off the ballot
in my state I would vote for Kerry just to show them.

In America we can vote for Bush, Kerry, Nader,
Badnarik, David Cobb, Peroutka, or others on the ballot
if we like them. In my native nation I cant do that
I only have one choice.

In Europe Europeans have more than one choice
on thier ballot and have a right to vote as they like.

Alright, this is fantastic! I’m so happy all those Midwestern states saved us from our immorality. Not only are we out of the White House for four more years, we have four great new members of the House of Representatives like Jim Bunning, and 4 fewer Senators to restrain the conservative movement. We don’t have to worry about those America-hating, terrorist-loving democrats anymore. Bush’s got a “mandate” now awarded to him by the smallest re-election victory in history (percentage-wise), and no re-election to worry about. I’m mindlessly-optimistic about the next four flagrantly radical civil-rights demeanin’, corporation-pleasin’, country-invadin’, economy-depletin’, minority-impoverishin’, global-warmin’, gay-bashin’, people-deceivin’, moral and patriotic years.
Let’s see next four years, hmmm, I smell some abortion-banning, homophobic Supreme Court Justices! That’ll be great! Maybe they’ll find a way to steal even more power from the states. Maybe my future children will know the great moral values of George W. Bush. Maybe we’ll get a new amped-up Patriot Act III that will undermine the Constitution and our Civil-Rights even more than the last one! Hey, maybe they’ll catch one terrorist with that one. I can’t wait for the privatization of our Social Security, I feel so great knowing that the health and economic stability of my elder years will be in the hands of CEO’s. I’m sure all those guys in Iraq are ecstatic too! I bet they can’t wait for their Commander-in-thief to cut their pay, cut their benefits, force them into longer service, and bait the insurgents after them some more.
I’m so glad we live in such a representative democracy! Thank God they told all those minorities to vote on November 3 and threw out all those registrations and ballots from the ones that had the audacity to show up on Tuesday. Why should they vote? Phew! Good thing those exit polls turned out to be off by almost 10%, that was a close one. Screw this, man! I’m not going down without a fight. Its not over, we’ve got provisional ballots to count here, lawsuits to file, hell to raise, and Civil Rights to defend.

Drawing would-be terrorists to fight in Iraq instead of the US is no bad policy. The US has a long history of fighting battles on other people's soil. It was a good idea then, and it's a good idea now.

No bad policy from a US perspective...but a pretty bad one if you live in Iraq.

I'm upset as well. The only problem is that neither candidate was good. Both of them would have made the government bigger (http://www.cato.org/dailys/11-05-04.html). But at least Kerry wouldn't have used the military for nation building and shit on the constitution (http://www.cato.org/research/articles/lynch-030821.html).

I really hope that someday there will be a Libertarian in the white house.

Alright, this is fantastic! I’m so happy all those Midwestern states saved us from our immorality. Not only are we out of the White House for four more years, we have four great new members of the House of Representatives like Jim Bunning, and 4 fewer Senators to restrain the conservative movement. We don’t have to worry about those America-hating, terrorist-loving democrats anymore. Bush’s got a “mandate” now awarded to him by the smallest re-election victory in history (percentage-wise), and no re-election to worry about. I’m mindlessly-optimistic about the next four flagrantly radical civil-rights demeanin’, corporation-pleasin’, country-invadin’, economy-depletin’, minority-impoverishin’, global-warmin’, gay-bashin’, people-deceivin’, moral and patriotic years.
Let’s see next four years, hmmm, I smell some abortion-banning, homophobic Supreme Court Justices! That’ll be great! Maybe they’ll find a way to steal even more power from the states. Maybe my future children will know the great moral values of George W. Bush. Maybe we’ll get a new amped-up Patriot Act III that will undermine the Constitution and our Civil-Rights even more than the last one! Hey, maybe they’ll catch one terrorist with that one. I can’t wait for the privatization of our Social Security, I feel so great knowing that the health and economic stability of my elder years will be in the hands of CEO’s. I’m sure all those guys in Iraq are ecstatic too! I bet they can’t wait for their Commander-in-thief to cut their pay, cut their benefits, force them into longer service, and bait the insurgents after them some more.
I’m so glad we live in such a representative democracy! Thank God they told all those minorities to vote on November 3 and threw out all those registrations and ballots from the ones that had the audacity to show up on Tuesday. Why should they vote? Phew! Good thing those exit polls turned out to be off by almost 10%, that was a close one. Screw this, man! I’m not going down without a fight. Its not over, we’ve got provisional ballots to count here, lawsuits to file, hell to raise, and Civil Rights to defend.
You're my new hero. I'm printing this post out and hanging it on my mirror to remind myself that 57 million people may be hopelessly manipulative, but there are 54 million people who know it.

wait wait wait, why would you vote for kerry, just try and answer this without mentioning bush....do you even know who kerry is? do you know his plan? honestly man, stop watching CNN, that is where you get all these stupid ideas......if you want honesty try not turning to the liberal media. The news will tell you no truth. but seriously why would you vote for kerry?

I'm upset as well. The only problem is that neither candidate was good. Both of them would have made the government bigger (http://www.cato.org/dailys/11-05-04.html). But at least Kerry wouldn't have used the military for nation building and shit on the constitution (http://www.cato.org/research/articles/lynch-030821.html).

I really hope that someday there will be a Libertarian in the white house.


NATION BUILDING?!?!?!?!?!?!? NATION BUILDING?!?!?!?!?!!? I KEEP HEARING THIS!!!!BUT WHERE IS THIS OTHER NATION THAT WE HAVE USED THE MILITARY TO CAPTURE!?!!?!?!!?!?!?! WHERE?!?!?!?!

Incorrect. Lower taxes stimulate commerce, which results in businesses making more money, which results in them paying more taxes, which results in an INCREASE in government revenue.
At present tax rates, lower taxes do not offset the loss in tax revenues with increased employment. If that were the case, no government would tax at anything more than the absolute minimum (afterall, all governments love their money). IIRC, the US hasn't seen such a situation since Kennedy lowered taxes.

That being said, governments oughtn't to be increasing taxes to pay for their poor fiscal management, they should be reducing spending.

Reducing taxes may or may not be better for the economy depending on what the government does with its money, and what one can expect the private individuals to do with theirs.

NATION BUILDING?!?!?!?!?!?!? NATION BUILDING?!?!?!?!?!!? I KEEP HEARING THIS!!!!BUT WHERE IS THIS OTHER NATION THAT WE HAVE USED THE MILITARY TO CAPTURE!?!!?!?!!?!?!?! WHERE?!?!?!?!

By "OTHER" do you mean Afghanistan? Or Iraq?

You DO know what "nation building" means, don't you?

wait wait wait, why would you vote for kerry, just try and answer this without mentioning bush....do you even know who kerry is? do you know his plan? honestly man, stop watching CNN, that is where you get all these stupid ideas......if you want honesty try not turning to the liberal media. The news will tell you no truth. but seriously why would you vote for kerry?

Er, I think that most people who voted for Kerry voted for him because he's not Bush. What's wrong with that? Almost anyone could be a better president than Bush. The point was to defeat Bush.

Yeah, that's a sensible plan... Elect someone for no reason at all without knowing what he stands for or what he will do... No thank you. Give me a real leader (Bush) anyday.

You should raise taxes only if it is going to programs to help the people and that is the only time. If you do that the economy will pick up cause people will get jobs and there is will be more production of what they are doing. But I feel also that we need some kind of big project to do cause big project usally seems to always fix the problem. Maybe make a few more Cities, more highways, build a few more bridges, and maybe do something in space. That will solve our economic problems.

This is the one flame thread to rule them all... ;) Where's Frodo when you need him?

OK, here we go:

Prosecution of homosexuals.
Reduction of taxes for the rich who support him. Corruption, I call it.
Cutting budgets to the public sector while they needed money the most; praising fire fighters, police, and army while he cut funds from them and called whoever didn't support the troops anti-American. Since 9/11, NYC fire fighters have been losing jobs due to fund cuts and six stations are closed; cut monetary support to families of dead soldiers.
Failing to catch bin Laden by waiting two months to invade Afghanistan; prioritizing Iraq over Afghanistan, thus letting bin Laden get away.
Getting through the Patriot Act, which defies the constitution on many a count after a Herman-Goering style "we're in danger and must give up our rights" campaign that convinced the majority that to be free they had to give up freedom.
Failing to care about the rising racism in the country; failing to visit activist groups.
Censoring reports on CO2 to allow for a higher pollution quota for his business buddy; during his time as a governor of Texas, Houston became the most polluted city in the States in terms of smog.
Ignoring a rising divorce rate and seeking to ban gay marriage while "promoting family values".
Lifting the ban on assault weapons.
Ignoring rising crime rates in one of the most criminal-infested nations in the world.
Advocating a space program while the country is near-bankrupt; the ISS cost the US alone 100 billion dollars.
Corruption: Support of illegal acitivity among high ranks of companies.
Seeking to ban abortion. All abortion.
Insulting allies left and right to avoid debate ...while the USA prepared for war and needed all the allies it could find.
Deliberately breaking UN regulations and rules as well as the Geneva Conventions. No country in the world has broken more UN regulations than the USA; Advocated a war on Iraq due to their breaking of UN regulations; broke more UN regulations invading Iraq :rolleyes: .
Setting up a nation of Neo-McCarthyism where whoever protested could be sent to jail without free trial and the police could seach your home without a warrant without even telling you, and where whoever said something against the war in Iraq was an "Anti-American".
Getting through the Patriot Act.
Getting through the Patriot Act.
Barring Jews and African-Americans from voting! In 2000 CE... what's the world come to?! :mad:


Oh, and: "He who is willing to give up freedom for security deserves neither freedom nor security.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/photodraw/portraits/franklin.jpg
-Franklin.

... :( Sigh. Carter for President...

Maybe make a few more Cities, more highways, build a few more bridges, and maybe do something in space. That will solve our economic problems.
That was sarcasm, right? :eek:

OR what about.. doing what a President is supposed to do: Help the people. Strenghten schools, hospitals, kill corruption, and give us a greater tomorrow.

No, wait... I forgot there's no profit in that. Never mind, I'm a stupid socialist, you see... :(

He did just the opposite. Bin Ladin knew that by subtly suggesting that he supported Kerry for office, that a vast majority of Americans would be enflamed with a "F*** You Sand N*****" attitude that makes them dig in with a support for Bush.

And he got just what he wanted, all along.

It's called Reverse Psychology, and too many Americans fell into his trap.
Exactly. Beats me how people voted because a "sand monkey" they were at war with told them to, but oh well.. Oh wait, I just got back from a meeting with Hitler. He wants me to vote Bush! I must change my loyalty, for the world's greatest enemy hath spoken!!11111 :confused:

NATION BUILDING?!?!?!?!?!?!? NATION BUILDING?!?!?!?!?!!? I KEEP HEARING THIS!!!!BUT WHERE IS THIS OTHER NATION THAT WE HAVE USED THE MILITARY TO CAPTURE!?!!?!?!!?!?!?! WHERE?!?!?!?!
Quit the all-capital letters-posts, spammer. :rolleyes:

Oh, and where are the arguments for Bush in this thread? I just wrote a whole page, your turn! No more "move to Canada" or "get lost, loser", or "get some anger management classes!", please. Quit the childish idiocy! You're just proving my point: That many Bush-supporters are afraid of debating and choose to insult their opponents instead.

Geez, this is a debate, not a fist-fight. So debate. Give me posts like "Bush is good because he reduced the amount of money you can get from a doctor in a lawsuit" (which he did ;) , and I applaud him for that). Not "OMG WTF BuZh R R0xX0r U r 5uxX0r!!!!11111 L0L!!!!11111 U G2G 2 C4n4d4 u f00l!!!111111111111" :mad:

Name me the one president that created the most jobs? Then tell me how he did it and that is our answer.

Name me the one president that created the most jobs? Then tell me how he did it and that is our answer.

Jobs per capita? Abraham Lincoln. How? The Emancipation Proclaimation. :D They weren't considered jobs until Blacks started getting *cough* "paid" for slaving for the man.

I mean for the 20th century then if that is a true fact.

I mean for the 20th century then if that is a true fact.

No FAIR!! :( Changing the rules!! :( I want my cash prizes!!!

Besides, the 20th century is like so last century. :D

Eastern Coast America, I agree with your view in general but by continuously swearing and insulting people you just make yourself sound unintelligent and this draws away from the serious point you're trying to make. So yeah, anyone who voted for Bush I strongly disagree with for reasons you mentioned but by expressing it the way you did you just insult people and sound like a jerk.

lol. Bush didn't need to "labl" you an idiot

-\|/.

lol. Bush didn't need to "labl" you an idiot

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Obviously somebody didn't bother to read the post just before this, or didn't think it worthy.

Wow. That's really offensive.


Democratic voters are more intelligent? Yeah inner city crackheads are one of the more intelligent voter blocks in the Democratic party. Not to mention scared minorities and seniorsworried about having to eat dog food, union sheep who vote for democrats every time, fanatical pinkos who want to impose their values on us. Yes only the most intelligent people vote democrap. I'd rather have someone who drives around with a shotgun in their pick-up vote for a candidate, then some militant homosexual who wants to be allowed to have anal sex with children.


What the heck makes it more offensive to belittle Democrats and liberals than to belittle Bush, Republicans, and conservatives? The fact that the label fits more often?

Regards,

Alright, this is fantastic! I’m so happy all those Midwestern states saved us from our immorality. Not only are we out of the White House for four more years, we have four great new members of the House of Representatives like Jim Bunning, and 4 fewer Senators to restrain the conservative movement. We don’t have to worry about those America-hating, terrorist-loving democrats anymore. Bush’s got a “mandate” now awarded to him by the smallest re-election victory in history (percentage-wise), and no re-election to worry about. I’m mindlessly-optimistic about the next four flagrantly radical civil-rights demeanin’, corporation-pleasin’, country-invadin’, economy-depletin’, minority-impoverishin’, global-warmin’, gay-bashin’, people-deceivin’, moral and patriotic years.
Let’s see next four years, hmmm, I smell some abortion-banning, homophobic Supreme Court Justices! That’ll be great! Maybe they’ll find a way to steal even more power from the states. Maybe my future children will know the great moral values of George W. Bush. Maybe we’ll get a new amped-up Patriot Act III that will undermine the Constitution and our Civil-Rights even more than the last one! Hey, maybe they’ll catch one terrorist with that one. I can’t wait for the privatization of our Social Security, I feel so great knowing that the health and economic stability of my elder years will be in the hands of CEO’s. I’m sure all those guys in Iraq are ecstatic too! I bet they can’t wait for their Commander-in-thief to cut their pay, cut their benefits, force them into longer service, and bait the insurgents after them some more.
I’m so glad we live in such a representative democracy! Thank God they told all those minorities to vote on November 3 and threw out all those registrations and ballots from the ones that had the audacity to show up on Tuesday. Why should they vote? Phew! Good thing those exit polls turned out to be off by almost 10%, that was a close one. Screw this, man! I’m not going down without a fight. Its not over, we’ve got provisional ballots to count here, lawsuits to file, hell to raise, and Civil Rights to defend.
Okay, you've had your rant. Now...GET OVER IT!
And the guys in Iraq are estatic, by about a 7-3 margin. Those whose absentee ballots weren't challenged and discarded by Democratic Party lawyers and Precinct workers. What was the party mantra on Tuesday? "Count Every Vote"? More like "Make Every Vote Count"!

Regards,

I'm upset as well. The only problem is that neither candidate was good. Both of them would have made the government bigger (http://www.cato.org/dailys/11-05-04.html). But at least Kerry wouldn't have used the military for nation building and shit on the constitution (http://www.cato.org/research/articles/lynch-030821.html).

I really hope that someday there will be a Libertarian in the white house.

Amen. I wish I could have voted Libertarian for President. I split my ticket because the Libertarians just couldn't bring themselves to do a good job on terror. Even Madison realized that the U.S. had responsiblities outside the borders when he invoked his doctrine to keep the meddling Europeans out of the Americas. Why can't the LP realize we need to keep terrorists from the U.S.

Regards,

How do americans stationed in Iraq vote, anyway?

their votes get shipped off to america.

I heard somewhere that if your a soldier and your in iraq, unless you vote republican, your vote doesn't count. I don't believe so, but it's what I heard.

I also heard that the votes don't count in iraq either cauz they have to be shipped over here or something.

How do americans stationed in Iraq vote, anyway?
It's pretty much like expatriates anywhere. One asks for an absentee ballot. Sometimes the county sends them off in time and then one fills it out. Mail it back and hope the Democrats don't find a technicality for disqualification. U.S. mail is handled by the Post Office until it reaches the military portal. That's what APO and FPO addressess are for. Those are just zip codes in San Francisco and New York that help route the mail to the right military source. Mail delivery is sacred in the military. It's one of the best morale builders when it comes and one of the quickest ways to kill morale when it doesn't come on time.

In 2000, the Democrats successfully voided a good number of military absentee ballots in Florida by claiming that the required postmark wasn't present. Of course the fact that military mail from war zones isn't stamped or postmarked didn't bother them. Only the fact that the ballot was from a potential adversary was important.

Regards,

their votes get shipped off to america.

Its called absentee voting!

I heard somewhere that if your a soldier and your in iraq, unless you vote republican, your vote doesn't count. I don't believe so, but it's what I heard.

This is inaccurate statement and one I've come to expect from you.

I also heard that the votes don't count in iraq either cauz they have to be shipped over here or something.

Funny thing is, military votes republican. Known fact. They have to follow the absentee procedures as everyone else voting absentee does. Problem is, is in the mail service itself and its a pain to revamp it.

The idea around Tax cuts is people have more money to spend and so you can lessen the pressure on welfare system only problem is itll just give more drug money to Mexican pimpmiesters.

It's pretty much like expatriates anywhere. One asks for an absentee ballot. Sometimes the county sends them off in time and then one fills it out. Mail it back and hope the Democrats don't find a technicality for disqualification. U.S. mail is handled by the Post Office until it reaches the military portal. That's what APO and FPO addressess are for. Those are just zip codes in San Francisco and New York that help route the mail to the right military source. Mail delivery is sacred in the military. It's one of the best morale builders when it comes and one of the quickest ways to kill morale when it doesn't come on time.

In 2000, the Democrats successfully voided a good number of military absentee ballots in Florida by claiming that the required postmark wasn't present. Of course the fact that military mail from war zones isn't stamped or postmarked didn't bother them. Only the fact that the ballot was from a potential adversary was important.

Regards,

Thanks that was so imformative about Florida

No one cares what any of you kids think about president Bush's re-election except the fat poor European kids on the forum. You can't vote which means your opinions are VOID. Aside from that you guys can keep trying to make your Bush hating friends so you can have circle jerks over this game. BUSH IS RE-ELECTED, GUESS WHAT, YOU FAT DEMOCRATIC CHILDREN CAN'T DO SH*T ABOUT IT. So stop posting how much you hate Bush, because quite frankly, Bush hates you too.

Fear us, Europe. No more playing games with America now that Bush won again.

ECA,
Dude, you REALLY need to learn how to use correct grammer, and spelling. That is something Bush would do! Yeah, it is sad that Kerry did not win, but then again, why should people vote for a guy that is so indecisive? And unlike the 2000 election, Bush won honestly this time. At least I am glad that my own state of PA went for Kerry. Sometimes life really isn't fair. My nation name, "Cradle Robbing" refers to an unrequited crush I had on an underclassman for THREE YEARS! And though it is true I do still like him, I have no idea why! But I digress. So, vote for Hillary or Edwards in 2008. and maybe we can go back to the halcyonic 90s. For those of you who hate Clinton, I would just like to point out that during the 8 years he was president, there was a budget surplus. Now there is like a several trillian dollar deficit! I mean, come on, what is this, the Great Depression? I don't understand why Bush won. Hoover was not reelected, FDR was. And though it is true that Kerry is no FDR, still, people should have looked back through history, and done what was right by voting for John Kerry. As for those of you who say, "I'd rather have someone who drives around with a shotgun in their pick-up vote for a candidate, then some militant homosexual who wants to be allowed to have anal sex with children." I respond by saying, "Huh? Kerry is not a gay pedophile! You REALLY need to get the facts right! I believe you are confusing Kerry with those priests that sleep with little kids, not John Kerry. Geez!" Ok, that is all for now, I am done my spiel. Remember, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."- FDR. I LOVE that quote! Ponder it for the next 4 years, and then vote Democrat! Incidentally, if Rick Santorium runs in 2008, do NOT vote for him, he is a conservative homophobic nut, and I am ashamed that my state of PA elected him.

whining

get over yourself

more whining

Hey...you're from PA too?

Hey...you're from PA too?

Yes, I am. And I was NOT whining, I was stating facts! There IS a difference!

Please don't move to Canada, we don't need any more liberals here.

About time I see a Canadian defend his homeland from the "impending" mass-immigration of American liberals.

You can't vote which means your opinions are VOID.
Should I even bother to reply... :rolleyes: Nah. Don't think so.

Who created the most jobs?
Not Bush.

He spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
He shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
He set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any
12-month period.

He set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the
U.S. stock market.

In his first year in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs
and that trend continues every month.

Vote Bush -stenghten our economy! :D

Other Bush merits: http://www.woadcreations.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=771&highlight=resume

Biased but true :( .

But then again, who should we vote for? The war monger Bush or the self-confessed rapist Kerry (he did actually brag about abusing VCs once, although he was probably not being serious :rolleyes: . Wouldn't surprise me, though ;) )?

I can answer one of em ....

How many of you stupid bush voters know that theres a 100 million dollar helium stock pile? That thing takes 100 million dollars to maintain. PLUS: It will last us for about 100 years. Why the fuck do we want a helium reserve?


1) filling party balloons as it is a much safer gas (non-flammable)
2) widely used as an inert gas shield for arc welding
3) high speed push gas inside air to air missiles for guidence corrections.
4) protective gas in growing silicon and germanium crystals, and in titanium and zirconium production
5) cooling medium for nuclear reactors, helium won't become radioactive
6) a mixture of 80% helium and 20% oxygen is used as an artificial atmosphere for divers and others working under pressure
7) cryogenics and superconductivity
8) rare document preservation (i.e. Declaration of Independence)
9) as a gas for supersonic wind tunnels
10) pressurizing agent for liquid fuel rockets (inert so won't react)
11) leak detection agent for extremely small leaks.
12) nuclear detonation simulations (using conventional explosives)
13) isotopic dating by helium ratios (seawater, ocean beds,etc)
14) helium/neon lasers
15) helium cardio-pulmonary resusitation pump (heart surgery)
16) helium filled border patrol "AEROSTAT" monitoring blimps

The bolded ones are "Government" uses .. in case you couldn't figure that out.

I am disgraced that I am an American. Truly, I am.
Bush as won the election. So now we have a bible thumping liar in office.

You people think that Kerry is such a big liar. Look at Bush's political records. Taiwan bought several defensive weapons from America and where are they? Still sitting in America. Why? Because Bush is an idiot, and he lied about when they were going to arrive. They are still sitting in America.

Bush is also a complete idiot. Seriously, he is.
"Oil will never run out," go to your fucking science class.
"Iraq had weapons of mass destruction," read your fucking intel report, and stop switching your advisors just because you don't like the conclusion.
"We shall teach abstenince in school!" Idiot. That makes more teens pregnant. You only say so because your from Texas. Which has the highest rate of teen pregnancy BECAUSE YOU GUYS TEACH ABSTENENCE.

They say that the goverment reflects the people. Well its true. You have the democrats, and then you have jesus land.

Why did Bush win? Because there are more bible thumping hicks out there than there are intellegent democrats.

This is why I am disgraced that I am called an American. Bush in office has just labled me as an idiot. Someone who doesn't know jack shit about politics.

How many of you stupid bush voters know that theres a 100 million dollar helium stock pile? That thing takes 100 million dollars to maintain. PLUS: It will last us for about 100 years. Why the fuck do we want a helium reserve?

How many of you stupid bush voters know that Kerry voted out of the 88 billion dollar for the military due to pork? Do you people even know what pork is?

How many of you stupid bush voters know that your fucking stupid. Your fucking politically inaccurate.

North america is divided into 4 countries. Canada, Mexico, Democrats, and Jesusland.

Yes, Jesusland. The majority of you bush voters wanted bush to win because he is a nice christian guy who believes in the bible. I'm betting he supports sex after marriage because he was the looser who didn't get laid by the prom queen (neither did I, but I'm not stupid).

Or Tax Cuts. Whats so special about tax cuts? Give more money to the filthy rich, and leave the rest of us poor. Ooh, and lookie here, stupid poor hicks still vote bush because cut just rings through there mind, and they don't know any fucking thing about it. YOUR POOR, YOU WANT TO RAISE TAXES SO THE ECONEMY GETS BETTER! THEN YOU CAN MAYBE HAVE A FUCKING JOB.

The RICH people should the only people who want to Bush. Why? The tax cuts give you money. BUT NO! THE POOR PEOPLE VOTE FOR BUSH! THE MIDDLE CLASS VOTE FOR BUSH! THANK YOU ALL FOR FUCKING OUR COUNTRY OVER!!!

WHY IS ABORTION AN ISSUE?
WHY IS GAY MARRIAGE AN ISSUE?
ITS BECAUSE THE CHURCH WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE SO!!!!
Dude, worry about our damn economy before you resort to bible thumping beliefs. THATS NOT A FUCKING ISSUE!!!! CLOSING DOWN CIVIL WAR BATTLE FIELDS IS AN ISSUE! GOVERMENTAL CORRUPTION IS AN ISSUE!

Stupid Jesusland. . . Don't they teach anything in school to you guys? Don't you guys listen to people other than the church? DONT YOU PEOPLE WATCH FUCKING CNN!?!??!?!?!??!

This has about the intellegence level of a MKULTRA post or some of my posts.

I can answer one of em ....


1) filling party balloons as it is a much safer gas (non-flammable)
2) widely used as an inert gas shield for arc welding
3) high speed push gas inside air to air missiles for guidence corrections.
4) protective gas in growing silicon and germanium crystals, and in titanium and zirconium production
5) cooling medium for nuclear reactors, helium won't become radioactive
6) a mixture of 80% helium and 20% oxygen is used as an artificial atmosphere for divers and others working under pressure
7) cryogenics and superconductivity
8) rare document preservation (i.e. Declaration of Independence)
9) as a gas for supersonic wind tunnels
10) pressurizing agent for liquid fuel rockets (inert so won't react)
11) leak detection agent for extremely small leaks.
12) nuclear detonation simulations (using conventional explosives)
13) isotopic dating by helium ratios (seawater, ocean beds,etc)
14) helium/neon lasers
15) helium cardio-pulmonary resusitation pump (heart surgery)
16) helium filled border patrol "AEROSTAT" monitoring blimps

The bolded ones are "Government" uses .. in case you couldn't figure that out.

That looks familiar! :)
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7413888&postcount=52

Not Bush.

He spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

If we're bankrupt, burn all the money in your wallet, as it has no value. Gross overstatement if ever I saw one.


He shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

Not adjusted for inflation. That honor goes to LBJ.

He set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

If a President had that kind of power, I'm impressed. Forcing people to declare bankruptcy like that.
I prefer (the less PC reason): people are not responsible with money.

He set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.
Ever hear of 1929 or 1987? I can't help but notice that your entire post is pretty much ripped off of an anti-Bush email that was making the rounds a while back.

In his first year in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

Another gross simplification. The US economy has had a net gain of jobs every month over the past year, almost year and a half. And, if you actually look at the data, the job loss began in the last two quarters of the Clinton administration.

Vote Bush -stenghten our economy! :D

Vote Kerry, strengthen the welfare state.

Other Bush merits: http://www.woadcreations.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=771&highlight=resume Biased but true :( .

Aha. And there it is. You are aware that this has more holes in it that a wheel of swiss cheese, right?

But then again, who should we vote for? The war monger Bush or the self-confessed rapist Kerry (he did actually brag about abusing VCs once, although he was probably not being serious :rolleyes: . Wouldn't surprise me, though ;) )?

Do you watch South Park? I'll take the shit sandwich before the giant douche.

Originally Posted by Markreich
Drawing would-be terrorists to fight in Iraq instead of the US is no bad policy. The US has a long history of fighting battles on other people's soil. It was a good idea then, and it's a good idea now.
Quote:
No bad policy from a US perspective...but a pretty bad one if you live in Iraq.

When it comes to warfare, the perspective of the other side is hardly a pressing concearn. I'm happy to see Fallujah razed to the ground as opposed to seeing somebody blow up the Sears Tower or set off a bioweapon as Grand Central in NYC.

We had a reason why we went to war. This war on Iraq just has no reason.

Oh, it has reasons. Just none that you happen to agree with, is all.

And the entire threat thing is pretty much BS. Iraq didn't have the fundings, or even the equipment to make nukes, bio weps, or any such items. Bush returned intel he recieved stating that fact and requested something that states Iraq did.

Right. Funny how no one said that before the invasion. Really. Not even the UN.

Sure, we could help the people, but you can't install democracy into a country like how were doing it. In order to install democracy, a country has to be flattened. I mean flattened, they have given up fighting and there will be no more insurgents (all democratic country has gone through something like this).

It's coming, don't worry. No, I'm not sure how to feel about that. :(

What were doing now is pointless, a waste of money, and were doing it all wrong.

Sorry, but you've got to decide. Is it a pointless waste, or are we doing it wrong? To say it is both is just throwing crap around, IMHO.

There is one silver lining in the cloud however. The Republicans have basically painted themselves into a corner.

If something really bad happens in the next 4 years, like say the economy tanking, Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda successfully pulling off a horrible attack on American soil, or the Iraq situation either staying the same or degrading... they can't blame the Democrats because they effectively control all three branches of the government.

It's a win-win situation. If someone talks sense into Bush and America isn't wiped out by 2008 there's hope. And if the worst comes... well, Democrats and the rest of the world can say "We Told You F***ING SO!!" when they're not busy trying to survive a Mad Max-style wasteland.

I think the original post explains why the majority of Americans voted for Bush: We're tired of being told by the liberal democrats that our values are stupid, that our opinions don't count, that we're just a bunch of dumb hicks and that our religious beliefs are uninformed and stupid. When all you do is attack us and tell us how superior to us you are, you invite attack and backlash. We think you are pompous, arrogant assholes who have completely lost touch with the American people as a whole; judging by the vote, most Americans agree. If you don't see the writing on the wall, then you're blind as a bat. If you want to change things, why don't you try being a little "tolerant" (seems to be a favorite phrase of the liberals, except when applied to conservative view points). Recognize we have beliefs and values that we hold just as dear as you hold yours. We believe there are moral rules and absolutes and that moral relativity is so much hogwash. We're proud of our country and its freedoms and don't feel any obligation to cowtow to the opinions of the U.N. or other countries. We're the greatest country on earth and in recorded history. Accept it and get over it or get out. Recognize that the will of the people does count, even if you disagree with it. Quit calling us stupid. The more you do it, the more you invite further losses to your cause. If you're ashamed to be an american because the bulk of your fellow citizens disagree with you, then feel free to move somewhere else and change your citizenship, or, do something constructive like recognizing the bulk of Americans disagree with you and learning some tolerance of your own.

I think the original post explains why the majority of Americans voted for Bush: We're tired of being told by the liberal democrats that our values are stupid, that our opinions don't count, that we're just a bunch of dumb hicks and that our religious beliefs are uninformed and stupid. When all you do is attack us and tell us how superior to us you are, you invite attack and backlash. We think you are pompous, arrogant assholes who have completely lost touch with the American people as a whole; judging by the vote, most Americans agree. If you don't see the writing on the wall, then you're blind as a bat. If you want to change things, why don't you try being a little "tolerant" (seems to be a favorite phrase of the liberals, except when applied to conservative view points). Recognize we have beliefs and values that we hold just as dear as you hold yours. We believe there are moral rules and absolutes and that moral relativity is so much hogwash. We're proud of our country and its freedoms and don't feel any obligation to cowtow to the opinions of the U.N. or other countries. We're the greatest country on earth and in recorded history. Accept it and get over it or get out. Recognize that the will of the people does count, even if you disagree with it. Quit calling us stupid. The more you do it, the more you invite further losses to your cause. If you're ashamed to be an american because the bulk of your fellow citizens disagree with you, then feel free to move somewhere else and change your citizenship, or, do something constructive like recognizing the bulk of Americans disagree with you and learning some tolerance of your own.

Well, that was stupid! :D

j/k ;) It really wasn't.

But it was somewhat wrong. I don't believe that your religious beliefs are stupid and I don't believe that most liberals do either... just fanatics, and there are those on both sides. What I do believe is that your religious beliefs are yours, not the whole nation's, and that they should not be legislated. "He who is unclean, let him remain unclean, he who is holy, let him remain holy"... that is what the Christian scriptures say about your policy of imposing your faith upon the ungodly. Your own religion disagrees with oppressing homosexuals and outlawing abortion. And yet you call upon G-d as if He commands such laws, as if we were living in theocratic Israel.

As far as going into a war based on lies, doing so by cutting short the inspections and diplomacy that our allies and the Democrats were told we would see through before starting that war, and doing so when we still have Bin Laden to capture, that was just retarded... much like Dubya is retarded. No offence against the retarded but they should not be in power, as they are.

When the Democrats were in the White House, the far right declared that we were under the control of a hostile power... not much difference from far lefties talking about emmigrating.

And most Americans do not supoport Bush. Only ~51% of voters do, unless you count those who could vote but did not. I count them for whoever wins. But do you count those who were given "provisional ballots" who were never counted because of Republicans standing at the polls in minority neighbourhoods and "challenging: them?

They are not moderators, they are censors.
I don't have a problem with what the mods do. You wonder why more conservatives get banned? It's because more of the conservatives are flame-making hystericals. Besides, it's not like liberals never get banned; anyone remember Nazi Weaponized Virus?

Perhaps I should translate the screaming liberals' mindless babble:
They are afraid that they might possibly not be able to peddle porn to children, lose the ability to disgrace marrage by pushing the homosexual agenda onto American families, and lose the "right" to murder inocent babies.
This is why Kerry lost and Bush won; people actually give a damn about moral values.
This post surely illustrates the growing gap between the "two Americas".

Bush is also a complete idiot.

its that immaturity that caused you to lose. put on a fresh tampon and move on- you lost- we won- try again in 4 years.

Incidentally, if Rick Santorium runs in 2008
There's no way, he's unelectable. Right?

I do not hate the moral values of the republicans. I am a devout christian myself. That is one of the things about the republicans that I do like.

What I do not like is:

Bush's Warmongering.
Personally, the only wars the US fought that I thought were justified were the American Revolution, American Civil War, WWI, WWII and the war in Afghanistan. Notice how America was dragged into or started in all 5 of these because they were ATTACKED. As evidence:

Revolution: Britain attacked Lexington and Concord
Civil War: South attacked a fort outside of Charleston
WWI: US ships sunk by Germany
WWII: Pearl Harbor
Afghanistan: 9/11

Bush wants to invade Iran, Syria, and N. Korea (this last one is the only one I feel is justified). He does this without the manpower necessary to invade all 3 countries. The Draft is coming, and I even heard that some Republican senators now have set aside money to bribe their children (if they have any) out of the Draft.


Alienation

At the beginning of Bush's 1st term, he decided that America should go it alone and cut off the rest of the world. This pissed off just about every other nation on the planet. He disregarded treaties like SALT II, etc. He seems to believe that America will rule the planet (there are some dire warnings against superpowers in Revelation, the last book of the Bible, about what happens to superpowers if they become too militant, and that it happened to ancient Greece, Persia, Rome, Spain (Spanish Armada), England, Germany, and Russia, just to name a few.


Changes in policy

However, after 9/11, other countries were al of a sudden loving America (I believe the Tower of London started playing the Star-Spangled Banner at the changing of the guard, but im not sure), and then <get this> Bush actually FLIP-FLOPPED into a leader of a coalition against terror.

Yes, its true. Kerry is not the only person to flip-flop. Later, Bush flip-flops back to his "AM3R1(4 P\/\/Nz 4LL" stance.

Bush also said "We will not lose sight of the terrorists" or something like that. Then he FLIP-FLOPS and goes after Iraq, which has more AL-Qaeda AFTER we invade than before. And America supports this?

What the F\_/(|<? When Bush flip-flops, its OK, but when Kerry does it, its a disaster?

Who knows? Maybe Kerry learned how to flip-flop for your own benefit from Bush? (Note: I am being sarcastic here, so all you Reds stop flaming me for this last remark)

PS: my country's name is making fun of Bush, not supporting him.

We're tired of being told by the liberal democrats that our values are stupid, that our opinions don't count, that we're just a bunch of dumb hicks and that our religious beliefs are uninformed and stupid. When all you do is attack us and tell us how superior to us you are, you invite attack and backlash.
Liberals don't think your opinions are stupid. They just hate it when you impose them on everyone.

There's no way, he's unelectable. Right?

No he is fully electable but I don't think he'll run in 2008. He is my senator and I don't think, as of right now, the best candidate to run for the Presidency.

its that immaturity that caused you to lose. put on a fresh tampon and move on- you lost- we won- try again in 4 years.
I don't like it when people try to base political arguments on personal insults, but is saying "Bush is stupid" any worse than "Kerry is a pussy"?

I don't like it when people try to base political arguments on personal insults, but is saying "Bush is stupid" any worse than "Kerry is a pussy"?

They are both the same in my book.

No he is fully electable but I don't think he'll run in 2008. He is my senator and I don't think, as of right now, the best candidate to run for the Presidency.
I say unelectable, because, well, the man makes Bush look like a centrist! Santorum is borderline fascist. What Americans would vote for a man who thinks that you don't have the right to privacy from the government?

I say unelectable, because, well, the man makes Bush look like a centrist! Santorum is borderline fascist. What Americans would vote for a man who thinks that you don't have the right to privacy from the government?

And that is where you are wrong. He has strong Family Values and a good head on his shoulders. I think he'll make a great president but I don't think he wants the job personally.

I say unelectable, because, well, the man makes Bush look like a centrist! Santorum is borderline fascist. What Americans would vote for a man who thinks that you don't have the right to privacy from the government?
The people of Pennsylvania :p If he could deliver that state it already takes a big chunk out of Kerry and Gore's totals.

The people of Pennsylvania :p If he could deliver that state it already takes a big chunk out of Kerry and Gore's totals.

You are right and he is widely popular. He is more popular than Arlen Specter.

hell you may even be half right. But here is why you liberal jerks lost. You send wackos like fat ass movie man and big mouthed radio man to bat for you. You had a perfect chance to win the election. But you had to go all craxy, just like on here. Ya see people think that America is divided in 2 but it is really closer to 1/3. People who will always vote Dem people who will always vote GOP and the people who really don't know how they want to vote. These people had to choose from a President who has messed some stuff up, but sticks by what he says or some guy who doesnt have a damn clue what he want. Add that with the other nut cases who speak for you. Its no damn wonder. So maybe next time you guys can send somebody worth something to vote for and stop being so damn extreem. Give those of us in the middle a good option.

These people had to choose from a President who has messed some stuff up, but sticks by what he says or some guy who doesnt have a damn clue what he want.

AHEM!

From my previous post (Which everybody, liberal and convervative alike, ignored because I actually THOUGHT OUT my post and posted in a MATURE manner)

after 9/11, other countries were al of a sudden loving America (I believe the Tower of London started playing the Star-Spangled Banner at the changing of the guard, but im not sure), and then <get this> Bush actually FLIP-FLOPPED into a leader of a coalition against terror.

Yes, its true. Kerry is not the only person to flip-flop. Later, Bush flip-flops back to his "AM3R1(4 P\/\/Nz 4LL" stance.

Bush also said "We will not lose sight of the terrorists" or something like that. Then he FLIP-FLOPS and goes after Iraq, which has more AL-Qaeda AFTER we invade than before.

I normally act mature. Its when people ignore me that I get pissed.

And that is where you are wrong. He has strong Family Values and a good head on his shoulders. I think he'll make a great president but I don't think he wants the job personally.
Let me repeat: he thinks that you don't have the right to privacy from the government!

I thought Americans liked small government.

No one cares what any of you kids think about president Bush's re-election except the fat poor European kids on the forum. You can't vote which means your opinions are VOID. Aside from that you guys can keep trying to make your Bush hating friends so you can have circle jerks over this game. BUSH IS RE-ELECTED, GUESS WHAT, YOU FAT DEMOCRATIC CHILDREN CAN'T DO SH*T ABOUT IT. So stop posting how much you hate Bush, because quite frankly, Bush hates you too.

Fear us, Europe. No more playing games with America now that Bush won again.

What? I hope this is a joke?

Personally, the only wars the US fought that I thought were justified were the American Revolution, American Civil War, WWI, WWII and the war in Afghanistan. Notice how America was dragged into or started in all 5 of these because they were ATTACKED. As evidence:

Revolution: Britain attacked Lexington and Concord
Civil War: South attacked a fort outside of Charleston
WWI: US ships sunk by Germany
WWII: Pearl Harbor
Afghanistan: 9/11



America was never attacked by Afghanistan. What happened 9/11 2001 was a terrorist attack that was "cleverly" redefined as an act of war to get around another international treaty.

Even though I didn't vote for President Bush, nor do I agree with his politics I would not go so far as to say that I am discrased to be an American. The fact that someone can state publicaly that they not only disagree with but disapprove of the government and not be shot is one reason to love this country.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will fight to the death your right to say it."

America was never attacked by Afghanistan. What happened 9/11 2001 was a terrorist attack that was "cleverly" redefined as an act of war to get around another international treaty.

I read up on the 9/11 attacks,a nd I concur that what i said is incorrect.

In place of the war on Afghanistan, a war on Saudi Arabia should have happened. However, from what I hear, Bush has corporate interests in Saudi Arabia. That's why we didnt go to war with them.

I am not american, and i have not read through the whole topic so i will apolagise for this in advance.

Generally, i am against bush bashing - i have no respect for him but shouting rude words doesnt help to change things, have you noticed that people who hold hard to a belife will not (can not) change their belifes under the sort of pressure provided by chastisment? That is why i tend to disagree with everyone and the cats mother all spouting anti-bush rhetoric whilst michael moore spouts a torrent of faecial matter from each of his mighty orrifices in the background.

However im afraid that my normal objective stance has gotta slip, folks. Jesus' sandal is inches from the ground and we are, for the most part (99%), all going straight to fucking hell, man! 99% of middle class republicans included. Fuck bush, fuck him with a stick(note: his presidancy, not him..if he wanst to go away and live peacefully out of the spotlight im happy to have him do it), fuck the whole fucking thing the whole fucking way to hell's asshole. George Bush is not a good president, he is not a good leader, and i think that if i was forced to give an opinion on the matter, that i would be probably not be able to call him a good man either.

Sorry folks, but thats just it...Im a christian, generally...I have strongly moralist views on lots of things...and most importantly i can be right wing on some things, so anybody who was prepping up some weak and vapid excuse for a counterstroke, the central pillar of which was to be that i am "another bleeding heart liberal"...well hey look ill tolerate a lot but not that...think before you speak, or type... So, i can be all that and still have a major problem with george bush's presidancy...someone tell me what i have missed, please, PLEASE. Im not an american, so maybe i have missed something, right? I have not seen him do one single truly GOOD thing! not one! Comeon!? anybody!? One. Thing.

Go on, please.

I havent had much reason to think kerry would be a whole lot beter, but ANY better would do now.

You forget to remember that judges determined there was a seperation of church and state. No where in the constitution does it say that there is a church and state seperation.

BTW everyone who joins the military knows what they are getting into when they enlist, plus it is purely a volunteer military. When was the last time a fetus volunteered to be sucked in the garbage?

This, and other posts by "The True Right", are just slightly veiled racist, sexist, homophobic rants by an under-educated, dirt-floor cracker Republican (which, apologetically, is redundant.)

He is just saying this to be unnecessarily and inexpertly provocative, and many of you are taking the bait. The best way to handle these morons is to allow them to continue to sit in the corner playing with selected passages from the Bible and confusing themselves about the exact language and purpose of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

By the way, the language in the U.S. Constitution specifying the separation of church and state is the Establisment Clause of the First Amendment. The specific language is:

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...."

This language has regularly and continuously been interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court and lower courts in both the federal and state systems as proscribing the unification of church and state.

Look it up.

My president is a genius because he understands that a friend of your enemy is also an enemy, NO MATTER WHAT.
He understands that right and wrong are clear, and that once you make a mistake -- especially as the most powerful man in the world -- that you cannot admit it; that shows weaknesses, which the terrorists want and causes attacks. He knows that the evildoers hate freedom. They hate picnics and candy and babies and merry-go-rounds.
You like those things, don't you?
If you don't, you're not with US.

If you disagree with this post, I will report you to the FBI. I have their number on my refrigerator.

The best way to handle these morons is to allow them to continue to sit in the corner playing with selected passages from the Bible. . .
Yur going to hell for saying that, slut.

. . . and confusing themselves about the exact language and purpose of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

When did we start talking about guns&ammo? I was talking bout the church.

By the way, the language in the U.S. Constitution specifying the separation of church and state is the Establisment Clause of the First Amendment. The specific language is:

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...."

This language has regularly and continuously been interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court and lower courts in both the federal and state systems as proscribing the unification of church and state.

Look it up.

Well, duh. That's what I was a'sayin'! It ain't the constitution! It's them courts!

If ECA wants to live with a bunch of retards, let him.

I personally, now hate all Americans.

You are lying. You know damn well that not every American voted for Bush.

And heaven forbid if you're telling the truth--that would make you the scum of the world, hating all the residents of a nation just because they're from that nation.

I am disgraced that I am an American. Truly, I am.
Bush as won the election. So now we have a bible thumping liar in office.

You people think that Kerry is such a big liar. Look at Bush's political records. Taiwan bought several defensive weapons from America and where are they? Still sitting in America. Why? Because Bush is an idiot, and he lied about when they were going to arrive. They are still sitting in America.

Bush is also a complete idiot. Seriously, he is.
"Oil will never run out," go to your fucking science class.
"Iraq had weapons of mass destruction," read your fucking intel report, and stop switching your advisors just because you don't like the conclusion.
"We shall teach abstenince in school!" Idiot. That makes more teens pregnant. You only say so because your from Texas. Which has the highest rate of teen pregnancy BECAUSE YOU GUYS TEACH ABSTENENCE.

They say that the goverment reflects the people. Well its true. You have the democrats, and then you have jesus land.

Why did Bush win? Because there are more bible thumping hicks out there than there are intellegent democrats.

This is why I am disgraced that I am called an American. Bush in office has just labled me as an idiot. Someone who doesn't know jack shit about politics.

How many of you stupid bush voters know that theres a 100 million dollar helium stock pile? That thing takes 100 million dollars to maintain. PLUS: It will last us for about 100 years. Why the fuck do we want a helium reserve?

How many of you stupid bush voters know that Kerry voted out of the 88 billion dollar for the military due to pork? Do you people even know what pork is?

How many of you stupid bush voters know that your fucking stupid. Your fucking politically inaccurate.

North america is divided into 4 countries. Canada, Mexico, Democrats, and Jesusland.

Yes, Jesusland. The majority of you bush voters wanted bush to win because he is a nice christian guy who believes in the bible. I'm betting he supports sex after marriage because he was the looser who didn't get laid by the prom queen (neither did I, but I'm not stupid).

Or Tax Cuts. Whats so special about tax cuts? Give more money to the filthy rich, and leave the rest of us poor. Ooh, and lookie here, stupid poor hicks still vote bush because cut just rings through there mind, and they don't know any fucking thing about it. YOUR POOR, YOU WANT TO RAISE TAXES SO THE ECONEMY GETS BETTER! THEN YOU CAN MAYBE HAVE A FUCKING JOB.

The RICH people should the only people who want to Bush. Why? The tax cuts give you money. BUT NO! THE POOR PEOPLE VOTE FOR BUSH! THE MIDDLE CLASS VOTE FOR BUSH! THANK YOU ALL FOR FUCKING OUR COUNTRY OVER!!!

WHY IS ABORTION AN ISSUE?
WHY IS GAY MARRIAGE AN ISSUE?
ITS BECAUSE THE CHURCH WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE SO!!!!
Dude, worry about our damn economy before you resort to bible thumping beliefs. THATS NOT A FUCKING ISSUE!!!! CLOSING DOWN CIVIL WAR BATTLE FIELDS IS AN ISSUE! GOVERMENTAL CORRUPTION IS AN ISSUE!

Stupid Jesusland. . . Don't they teach anything in school to you guys? Don't you guys listen to people other than the church? DONT YOU PEOPLE WATCH FUCKING CNN!?!??!?!?!??!


You're upset that Bush won? Well, I hope you can accept it that he did--it's okay to not like it that won. But if you're going to continue acting like this, you'll probably end up protesting like this guy:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html

lol i hope to the lord god thats joking, my friend.

Yeah, there is right and there is wrong, and they are clear, and im still one of the only people i know to defend bush for in some question-time slot or other saying "i cant regret it", because no - he cant.

But heres some facts for you and the collective hicks who cant figure this stuff out -

Violence breeds violence
You cant change people by smacking them around a bit
You cant and MUSTnt force religion on people, ever! it defeats the very object.
Bush didnt go to war for "goodness", he went out of greed/self intrest, if he had gone purely on a moral basis id be standing by his decisions now

and finally

You cant win a war on terror, you can only lose. Thats it. Final. End. The only way you can win is to systematically vaporise everyone who is not an american, and all americans who are against nuking everyone else

..&then once you ahve done that you can retire to your tiny corner of the world, using up the last of the clean air and fucking your sister in your cave, while dead voices echo from the selected passages in your bible to soothe your already numbed mind, and lo and behold the enemies of justice and freedom are all gone and your alone, alone spinning through the blackness, fucking your sister in complete freedom. Utopia, brothers, is only months away.

..yeah, where was i? got lost there for a second

..ahem, worst case scenario only. Bush aint a great president, but please dont misread what i wrote as saying that because of his re-election the world is actually going to end - im merely voicing my discontent for a few minutes.

And that is where you are wrong. He has strong Family Values and a good head on his shoulders. I think he'll make a great president but I don't think he wants the job personally.

NO! Santorium is a homophobic conservative NUT, who thinks that if men sleep together, it is equivalent to INCEST! Ok, I do not want to get into the gay/lesbian debate, because most of you would think I was some of tree-hugging liberal nut, which is NOT true, but I mean come on! He sounds like Adolf Hitler for God's sake! I bet most of you didn't know this, but besides killing Jews and Gypsies, he also killed homosexuals. It's true, I learned it while I was studying German in high school. If Santorium becomes the next president....ugh, I do not even want to THINK about it! For those of you who do not agree, be more open-minded! Do you REALLY want a president who acts like Hitler with homosexuals? I think not! So vote for John McCain, he's a good guy. Ok, I will shut up now. I have no doubt that I will get lots of bashing, and hate mail, but just think about it logically, PLEASE!

I read up on the 9/11 attacks,a nd I concur that what i said is incorrect.

In place of the war on Afghanistan, a war on Saudi Arabia should have happened. However, from what I hear, Bush has corporate interests in Saudi Arabia. That's why we didnt go to war with them.

Well... but... there shouldn't have been a war on anyone. The 9/11 attacks weren't attacks on the US as such, and certainly not by another state, but were termed "an act of war" by Bush to make it possible for him to invoke article 5 of the NATO treatise, supported by article 51 of the UN charter. This was much debated, and it is not true that America at this point had such an unanimous support by its allies as many Americans seem to think. This was actually also the very first time that article 5 of the NATO treatise was ever invoked, which set an unfortunate presedent and pressured several of America's NATO allies into supporting a war that their populations to a great extent did not approve of.

cough move cough to canada cough loser cough

Maybe you should move there, their comprehensive health system might help you with that cough.

oooh! i like that! ooh!

ouch!


..going to bed now.

If ECA wants to live with a bunch of retards, let him.

I personally, now hate all Americans. I hate the Republicans that voted for Bush, the Democrats, who made John Kerry their nominee, everyone who voted for a third party (Seriously, are Nader supporters INSANE?!) , and everyone who didn't vote at all. That pretty much covers everyone.


Okay, and we don't like you!

It's going to be mighty funny to sit back and watch as all of you back-assward minded liberals complain and create insane "end-of-the-world" armageddon stories for the next four years.

In the meantime, bush is STILL President,
Yet I'm STILL living happily in south Florida!

seems that your desporation stories are not as accurate as you might think.

Okay, and we don't like you!

It's going to be mighty funny to sit back and watch as all of you back-assward minded liberals complain and create insane "end-of-the-world" armageddon stories for the next four years.

In the meantime, bush is STILL President,
Yet I'm STILL living happily in south Florida!

seems that your desporation stories are not as accurate as you might think.

Your funeral.......

Okay, and we don't like you!

It's going to be mighty funny to sit back and watch as all of you back-assward minded liberals complain and create insane "end-of-the-world" armageddon stories for the next four years.

In the meantime, bush is STILL President,
Yet I'm STILL living happily in south Florida!

seems that your desporation stories are not as accurate as you might think.

Don't you see that Bush is a demon from hell that lives only to eat babies?

...No, no...its just an overdeveloped sense of the dramatic...but bush is bad for the coutry, and sooner or later something very very bad will happen to inncocent people because of his policies. Because of his mistakes. Plus generally he has been bad for your economy (good for the exchange rate £-$ though! :D ), and he alienates...everyone...including americans...and whereas maybe being too open minded is bad, he is too closed minded, dangerously so as far as i can make out. As a friend of mine pointed out though, its the high court judges thing that is the worry...the oregon one whos determined to stamp out the "rampant lesbianism" in high schools was the one that made me shiver, although that is hear-say so i cant say how true or fale it is... Bush's rule wont be a footprint in the desert it will be a footprint on the moon.

And now i really really am going to bed..done too much sketching today. :(

This thread, along with most of the replies to it, is way out of line. Express your anger at Bush/Kerry/liberals/conservatives/the US some other way, without insulting posters on these boards.

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