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I am 100% for gay marriage. It's a legal binding and it should be allowed. But I am at a crossroad when it comes to the subject of a gay couple adopting a child. On one hand, I'm for civil liberties and I think that's very important and I think that people should have the freedom to do as much as they want, as long as it doesnt hurt other people and is well within the bounds of safe for society. On the other hand, I'm afraid of the psychological affects on the child. I'm afraid of the ridicule they will get growing up. They will obviously need therapy from this and I'm concerned. Your opinions to help me decide? And please dont speak of the "immorality" of gay marriage. I already am for gay marriage and nothing you all will say could change my mind. But what you say on the issue of gays adopting children can change it. Please help.

Yeah, well that ship sailed some time ago.

I dont think that a child would be harmed by having 2 mummies/daddies, and if they get pestered for it by other kids, i suggest that those kids parents teach them some tolerance.

I'm trying to decide for myself. I dont care if it's been discussed. I'm trying to make a personal desision. Help would be appreciated.

I dont think that a child would be harmed by having 2 mummies/daddies, and if they get pestered for it by other kids, i suggest that those kids parents teach them some tolerance.
Agreed. :)

My question is, would there be any pyschological damage to the child? Is there any scientific data on this matter?

Yes, provided they're good parents and truly care about the child. Just as with "straight" parents, gay parents should have the best interests of the child at heart. Better for a child to be adopted by loving parents, regardless of their sexual orientation, than to remain a ward of the state and be shuffled from one foster home to the next.

I used to be against gay people adopting children, because I thought the children would be pestered by society. But then i heard the song "Father of a Son" by The Ark. The Ark is truly a magical band.. They are the only band that have made me change my mind about something so important. Please read the lyrics:

FATHER OF A SON
Well, I’ve had my share
Of remarks about my rear
But I know it’s all about fear
And that you’d probably love it
if you’d only dare

And I know a thousand girls
who’d go wild
If I’d ask them to bear my child
So I don’t see why you’d even care
to prevent me
cause I can swear,

That one day I will become
The father of a Son
Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah!
One day I will become
the father of a Son
Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah!

And you’re totally fogged in your head
If you were serious right now
when you said
That it’s because
they will be bullied in school
cause that means you let the bullies set the rules

And you can legislate and oppress
and you can make my life a mess
But you can't change the way I feel
Or convince me that my wish is unreal
And you can strike me down
and fence me
And you can claim
that there’s opinion against me
But I’ll still win over You, Sir
because if you fight Love,
you’re always a loser

So, one day I will become
The Father of a Son
Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah!

And I may be gay
But I can tell you straight away
That I’ll become a better father than all of you anyway (So listen!)
One day I will become
the Father of a Son
Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah!

My question is, would there be any pyschological damage to the child? Is there any scientific data on this matter?
In Sweden the social services have done a resaerch on kids that were born in a straight family but whos parent(s) later turned homosexuals, those children weren't hurt at all.

What makes me against it is this simple fact, most adopting institutions are run by catholic nuns or by other people who opposes gay marriage in the first place, do adopt children plainly for good of the parents or for the good of child as well?

You don't really need "scientific evidence". Just look around you. All over the world, children are raised (and have been since the beginning of time) by two males or two females. Some were gay couples and some perhaps family like a mother and grandmother raising two boys (no father around).

There will always be cases of redicule and bullies. If a child isn't being pestered about his or her gay parents, it would be something else...his haircut, her long nose, his single mom, the fact that he wears glasses or can't talk normally.

Fact is, a bully will find any reason to bully ANY child. It's often said children can be so cruel..and this is so true.

My boys both go to counseling. We don't have any major issues, but it's a wonderful outlet for my boys. If something comes up and they need help, but don't feel comfortable talking with me, they have their counselor, a third party. Counseling is very healthy regardless of existing "issues".

I really hope this helps you in making your personal choice. It may seem a problem, but if you focus less on the problem and see the whole picture and how it relates to the rest of the world, sometimes the answers become very clear.

Love is love in my humble opinion. And real love can bring about only good. :fluffle:

In Sweden the social services have done a resaerch on kids that were born in a straight family but whos parent(s) later turned homosexuals, those children weren't hurt at all.

That's the answer I wanted to hear. If there truly is no pyschological damage to the child then i'm all for gay's adopting.

You don't really need "scientific evidence". Just look around you. All over the world, children are raised (and have been since the beginning of time) by two males or two females. Some were gay couples and some perhaps family like a mother and grandmother raising two boys (no father around).

There will always be cases of redicule and bullies. If a child isn't being pestered about his or her gay parents, it would be something else...his haircut, her long nose, his single mom, the fact that he wears glasses or can't talk normally.

Fact is, a bully will find any reason to bully ANY child. It's often said children can be so cruel..and this is so true.

My boys both go to counseling. We don't have any major issues, but it's a wonderful outlet for my boys. If something comes up and they need help, but don't feel comfortable talking with me, they have their counselor, a third party. Counseling is very healthy regardless of existing "issues".

I really hope this helps you in making your personal choice. It may seem a problem, but if you focus less on the problem and see the whole picture and how it relates to the rest of the world, sometimes the answers become very clear.

Love is love in my humble opinion. And real love can bring about only good. :fluffle:

It helps a lot.

I see nothing wrong with gays adopting children

What if gays want to adopt a Republican?

What if gays want to adopt a Republican?

They are gays, not nazis.

I can't imagine, coming home saying "Hi Mom" then turning around the corner "Hi Mom" again.

It is not that I am against homosexuals having children, but I don't think we can risc loosing the trust of the countries we (the western world) adopt children from, many are conservative and has declared that they will abolish adoptions to countries that legalise homosexual adoption.
In Sweden homosexuals can adopt (swedish) children as long as the child has no other parent or the former parent(s) had their child taken away from them, and I can frankly see nothing wrong with that.

There is no problem save the problems created by imagining there might be. A good parallel is inter-ethnic marraiges. In societies where this is considered a problem, problems can result for such families (including peer teasing of children in the family unit), however in societies where it isnt an issue, it isnt an issue. When any group is treated differently problems of stigma arise, but the stigma is about the perception caused by the discrimination, rather than being about the group itself. The only way to remove the discriminating stigma and different treatment is to remove the discriminating stigma and different treatment, including restrictions on participating in normal societal activities such as forming a loving, nuturing, family unit.

I can't imagine, coming home saying "Hi Mom" then turning around the corner "Hi Mom" again.

Not to seem inordinately smarmy, but it happens all the time, every day. Nothing unimaginable about it. It's just outside your experience.

What if gays want to adopt a Republican?
ROFLMAO!!! You nut! ROFL! Ummm ... I suppose that would be ok, but would they allow him/her to vote? LOL!

Anyway, I guess I'm one of the few who find this thread to be incredibly patronizing?

Why do I bother asking?

Well my partner and I are hoping to adopt someday, so I hope we can. I feel that if a child is raised by gay parents, it will help them in the long run. I believe they will grow up more tolerant than other children. A good friend of mine was adopted by one of her mothers, and raised by a lesbian couple, and she turned out to be a great person, who devotes her spare time to help others.

Anyway, I guess I'm one of the few who find this thread to be incredibly patronizing?

Why do I bother asking?

Patronizing? I dont think so. I created this thread to get the honest opinions of others to help shape my opinion. Nothing patronizing about that.

My question is, would there be any pyschological damage to the child? Is there any scientific data on this matter?

No more than children of mixed-race couples, which although legal, is still looked down on by many people. My mom is Native, and my dad is Irish, and we heard all sorts of crap about how they shouldn't have married because of 'cultural differences' and racism (this, from racists themselves...) and how hard it was on us kids. Well, stupid people are everywhere...you can't protect your children from them, and I see no problem with a gay couple raising kids. What HAS been proven is that gay couples raising kids don't turn those kids "queer".

What HAS been proven is that gay couples raising kids don't turn those kids "queer".

Yeah, I know that.

I can't imagine, coming home saying "Hi Mom" then turning around the corner "Hi Mom" again.

You're probably unable to fathom a child coming home and saying, "Hola papi," (Spanish) then turning around and saying, "nikâwiy tahns'i" (Cree). Get over it.

It wouldn't make much of a difference, there are peopel who live with one parent and they're fine, so what if they have two of the same gender. And I pity anyone who would make fun of him for it, because they would be really fucking stupid.

I'll leave it at this, if there is a lesbian/gay couple that truly wants to adopt and loves and cares for their children, then let them. There are hetrosexual couples that are abusive to children or fight with each other all the time, so I can't imagine that would be very good for a child psychologically. This also depends on the child too. Very interesting issue, though.

It wouldn't make much of a difference, there are peopel who live with one parent and they're fine, so what if they have two of the same gender. And I pity anyone who would make fun of him for it, because they would be really fucking stupid.

Yeah. But those ignorants are why i'm concerned for the child.

After hearing all of these points, i believe i'm for gay's having the right to adopt.

Yeah. But those ignorants are why i'm concerned for the child.


Ya, some kids are really ignorant and some should have their mouth taped shut.

Thanks for all the info. and opinions.

I see no problems with Gays adopting children. In fact I know of two couple that adopt children nobody else wants(a Downs child and one with another severe mental disorder).

Children are pretty good at accepting things. Depending on the age, they don't have the "moral" indoctrination to be horrified. Do straights have sex in front of their kids(well when they are not tired :p), gays don't. At most they are affectionate and if they are good parents they will explain to the child the differences with other families.

If a child can get a loving home versus living in the system, it is a good thing.

Aww, I was hoping for a big argument here. Why'd you people have to be so tolerant? ;)

Aww, I was hoping for a big argument here. Why'd you people have to be so tolerant? ;)



What even happened to TT, he'd find some way to start an argument over this. I bet he was kicked off for telling a moderater he was going to hell!

"TT" eh? Tell a poor newbie the tale....

"TT" eh? Tell a poor newbie the tale....



Probably the most right wing poster this site has had. He pretty much told everyone that they were going to hell and that people that said they were catholics weren't and he was heavily anti gay, anti abortion and he thought the sun revolved around the earth.

Wow, sounds fun. Wish I'd been around earlier.

Just to add to the growing body on info here. The APA (American Psychological Association) has done studies on children raised by gay parents and has found that they are in no way harmed. They function just as highly emotionally and intelligently, are just as popular with friends, and are socially well-adjusted. (Source: http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/answers.html#goodparents)

That link will take you to the APA's fact sheet on homosexuality. It's a good resource.

Further, I understand the arguement that you are scared that the kids will be bullied. But I have to add my agreement to the person who said that if you forbid gay adoption on that point, then you let the bullies win.

And before anyone asks, yes I am a homosexual male. I grew up in the Deep South and I was tortured by bullies as long as I could remember. And yes, I was very depressed. However, there was one thing that was always there for me, one thing that always gave me strength. That was my family--my parents and sister loved me unconditionally and they gave me the strength to not care what the bullies though. They taught me to be proud of who I was. So in a way, I'm a stronger and better person for what I went through. I say let the bullies come. As long as your child has people who love them--and the child knows that--then you can face anything.

I feel that homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals, for their area of residence, since they are people too. I understand religious organizations reserving their right to treat people differently based on the particular beliefs of that religion. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. Governments, on the other hand, should treat all their citizens fairly and equitably. If heterosexuals can marry, homosexuals should be able to marry. If heterosexuals can adopt children, homosexuals should be able to adopt children. The same for any other rights heterosexuals currently have; homosexuals should have all those rights, too.

there is a reson there are suposed to be a father and a mother think about it.
If there werent a good reson for there to be a father and a mother than nature would have made us unisex creatures with neter male or females.
The two parents are suposed to be of diferent sexes becouse they have different responsabilitys and different jobs in rasing the kid.
You don´t have to be tolerant about every thing :eek:

If there werent a good reson for there to be a father and a mother than nature would have made us unisex creatures with neter male or females.

This is a dangerous way to think. Does this mean that Mother Nature, whoever the hell she is, makes people impotent because they're not "meant" to have kids? But they're allowed to adopt, aren't they? Ban this filth!

As regards your other point, I assume you're against all single parents then? Because single people are allowed to adopt...

Homosexuality is unnatural. legalising it would be like letting someone marry a horse. it is wrong

I think the thing that interests me the most is why it has to be an issue - it's when we act as if people are different that they become different. Whether homosexual/heterosexual, fat/skinny, tall/short black/white/yellow/red if they can provide a loving and stable home for a child that should be all that matters. All children grow up with at least one issue garnered from their childhood whether it be from the way they were raised, or if they were bullied at school or even the (often unfounded) feeling that another child was favoured over them by their parent/teacher/sibling/whoever. My personal experience of spending time with children who have been raised by homosexual parents is that they are:
a. often more well-adjusted than their heterosexually raised counterparts
b. more easy-going and tolerent of other children particularly those children deemed as 'different' by society eg overweight, physically or mentally handicapped
c. are often more mature and self-sufficient
d. usually any issue they have is totally unrelated to their parents' sexual status
and e. are aware of their parents status as 'gay', understand they may get taunted for it and don't give a toss. I have heard repeated comments of "if they don't get it that's their problem".
Having said that, it saddens me that it even needs to be an issue for those children because society says it is - but to my mind they are a really good bunch of normal children who happen to have two single-sex parents.

Further, I understand the arguement that you are scared that the kids will be bullied. But I have to add my agreement to the person who said that if you forbid gay adoption on that point, then you let the bullies win.

And before anyone asks, yes I am a homosexual male. I grew up in the Deep South and I was tortured by bullies as long as I could remember. And yes, I was very depressed. However, there was one thing that was always there for me, one thing that always gave me strength. That was my family--my parents and sister loved me unconditionally and they gave me the strength to not care what the bullies though. They taught me to be proud of who I was. So in a way, I'm a stronger and better person for what I went through. I say let the bullies come. As long as your child has people who love them--and the child knows that--then you can face anything.

Just to add on top of this. Kids tend to bully each other not matter what. Ripping toys out of each others hands, pushing, trying to take each others food.

Bullies turn me into a long distance runner! ;)

Homosexuality is unnatural. legalising it would be like letting someone marry a horse. it is wrong

Let's get some reasons and justifications in here, stat!

Homosexuality is unnatural. legalising it would be like letting someone marry a horse. it is wrong


Yes two humans marrying is like a human and a creature of a different species marrying :rolleyes:.

Homosexuality is unnatural. legalising it would be like letting someone marry a horse. it is wrong

Shhhh you are adding to the arguments that Christians are ignorant!

:rolleyes:

homosexuality goes against the very grain of humanity. if men were meant to be with men, they would be more suited to it. it may be human-human but in my books it is in the same calssification as any other perversion

Homosexuality is unnatural. legalising it would be like letting someone marry a horse. it is wrong

So what I saw those monkeys doing in a tree that time was unnatural?!? :confused:

Trying to avoid crassness, I think you'll find the bus fits in the back entrance perfectly well. And the prostrate's up there, so it would seem to make sense.

Yes two humans marrying is like a human and a creature of a different species marrying :rolleyes:.

What if you marry somebody/thing from a different planet? :p

homosexuality goes against the very grain of humanity. if men were meant to be with men, they would be more suited to it. it may be human-human but in my books it is in the same calssification as any other perversion

It exists in the animal kingdom so how would it be unnatural?

How a thread can be ruined... :headbang: The thread is about gay couples adopting kids, not about gay marriages!

So about the gay couples adopting kids thing: I don't think a child is more likely going to turn gay if he has gay parents.. I think it doesn't make much of a difference. They will probably get pestered though but as I have read somewhere before: They should be teached some tolerance then.

How a thread can be ruined... :headbang: The thread is about gay couples adopting kids, not about gay marriages!

So about the gay couples adopting kids thing: I don't think a child is more likely going to turn gay if he has gay parents.. I think it doesn't make much of a difference. They will probably get pestered though but as I have read somewhere before: They should be teached some tolerance then.

Awww A virgin!

Congratulations on your first thread hijacking! ;)

My question is, would there be any pyschological damage to the child? Is there any scientific data on this matter?
If there were psychological damage to the child, it would not be inflicted by them having samely gendered parents, but by those intolerant of the lifestyle. Lay blame only where blame is due.

And you’re totally fogged in your head
If you were serious right now
when you said
That it’s because
they will be bullied in school
cause that means you let the bullies set the rules



That's a great lyric! :)

How a thread can be ruined... :headbang: The thread is about gay couples adopting kids, not about gay marriages!

So about the gay couples adopting kids thing: I don't think a child is more likely going to turn gay if he has gay parents.. I think it doesn't make much of a difference. They will probably get pestered though but as I have read somewhere before: They should be teached some tolerance then.
Psychological research shows that homosexuality has nothing at all to do with parental behavior or any kind of method of raising children.

And being gay is historically sound, guys. We, as humans, have been openly homosexual throughout history. It's only the church that decided this was a "sin" and should be "outlawed". Kind of like how they decided to outlaw heliocentrism, theories of evolution, tolerance for peoples of other faiths...

My question is, would there be any pyschological damage to the child? Is there any scientific data on this matter?

Psychological damage re: cruel peers - Kids get this all the time for any number of things already. KIds being too fat, looking too nerdy, having poor parents, having a missing parent - hell, kids are even made fun of now and then if a parent is dead. Bottom line is that the small-mindedness of others is no reason to deny gay couples a child, or a child a loving family.

Damage re: upbringing - Lacking a rolemodel of one sex has never been grounds to deny single parents such rights. Nor has any study shown that such things are dangerous to children. Research shows that a child will simply latch on to the person of the missing gender that is closest in their lives. If Billy has to mommies, he'll look to his uncle for a male rolemodel. Or his neighbor, or his friend's dad, or his coach, or his priest (please, no jokes), etc.

It exists in the animal kingdom so how would it be unnatural?

And just why is it so easy for people of the same gender to stimulate each other? I mean, by your logic, gay males ought to not be able to get any pleasure from certain acts I'll not detail here, and yet, certain things seem to be in the right place for it to work. Hmm...

(Did I dance around the explicitness of that argument or what?)

homosexuality goes against the very grain of humanity. if men were meant to be with men, they would be more suited to it. it may be human-human but in my books it is in the same calssification as any other perversion

Did you know that a mans G-spot is in his anus ?

Seems that man are actually more adapted to sex with man then with women...

My question is, would there be any pyschological damage to the child? Is there any scientific data on this matter?

there's no psychological damage.

and they're no more likely to be gay than the average kid raised in a family with a mother and a father.

they're also more likely to be tolerant of gay rights... but that's for obvious reasons.

Did you know that a mans G-spot is in his anus ?

Seems that man are actually more adapted to sex with man then with women...

yeah, apparantly that's the only way for men to have multiple orgasms.

there is a reson there are suposed to be a father and a mother think about it.

Yes, let's think about it...

If there werent a good reson for there to be a father and a mother than nature would have made us unisex creatures with neter male or females.

Wrong. Genes wouldn't get mixed and passed that way. Mating is a complex system, so to say that two sexes exist only to raise a shild is a gross simplification.

The two parents are suposed to be of diferent sexes becouse they have different responsabilitys and different jobs in rasing the kid.

Jobs which any person can adapt to doing. A single parent can adapt to multiple roles, and there's no reason that two people can't divvy up the work of raising a kid. So reputable study has ever shown that kids raised by a gay couple has ended up any worse off than a child raised by a straight couple.

You don´t have to be tolerant about every thing :eek:

No, but you ought to think about them beyond your own prejudices. That's the problem with most people today...they don't think. They think they are, but all they're really doing is rearranging their own prejudices.

Did you know that a mans G-spot is in his anus ?

Seems that man are actually more adapted to sex with man then with women...

You know, I tried to subtly make this point...meh, it needed to be more overt anyway.

No one should force you to be tolerant of everything, no. Nor should you be tolerant of murder or sociopaths. The difference lies in what is a problem? Does it cause actual, visible harm? Does it threaten to ruin or destroy our society?

You might try answering "yes" to the above as regards homosexuality, but you'd be pretty hard pressed to try to make a case that gays harm straights when the only damage occurs due to the said straight's own narrow-minded viewpoints.

Probably the most right wing poster this site has had. He pretty much told everyone that they were going to hell and that people that said they were catholics weren't and he was heavily anti gay, anti abortion and he thought the sun revolved around the earth.
there was that other guy who went away a long time ago who was as bad if not worse...

i can't remember his name. he left after someone posted a link to a very right wing site before these boards changes over to this server.

Homosexuality is unnatural. legalising it would be like letting someone marry a horse. it is wrong
if homosexuality is unnatural, then why have we observed it in every species for which we've observed sexual behaviour in their natural habitats?

male ostriches actually do a special mating dance when they couple, something that does not happen in male/female or female/female interactions.

we humans are animals, afterall. we may thing we're better, but really... we are animals.

Gay parents produce the straightest kids. They get made fun of so much for it that they try their hardest never to show any thing that might be perceived as homosexual.

My friend has 3 (count em') lesbian moms. The kid is incredibly angry at everything.

Let me put it this way: if you against a gay couple adopting children, you should be against a single person adopting a child.

Of course they should. A gay couple should have the EXACT same rights as a heterosexual couple.

there is a reson there are suposed to be a father and a mother think about it.
If there werent a good reson for there to be a father and a mother than nature would have made us unisex creatures with neter male or females.
The two parents are suposed to be of diferent sexes becouse they have different responsabilitys and different jobs in rasing the kid.
You don´t have to be tolerant about every thing :eek:

Actually, the reason we have different genders required for reproduction is that it forces us to mix our genetic material with others. One gender would leave us a far lesser change of variation in the genome--something necessary for evolution to occur.

Raising children has nothing to do with the actual act of reproduction. Gender roles are also things of the past. Men can be as loving and nuturing as women and women can be as strong and hard-working as men. It is far more important for a child to have two loving parents than to have a parent of each gender.

Should all straight people be able to adopt children? We are all human being's and God made everyone of us equally. If you have a differing formality(preference of lifestyle) by Gods grace, then thats your life. As long as it is not harming someone in your process of life then how does having no formalities and labels or politics in your life create a problem with another being. There is no violence in true peace. Only the true love of God's understanding.

Homosexuality is unnatural. legalising it would be like letting someone marry a horse. it is wrong

Actually a horse cannot consent, so the two are apples and oranges. And homosexuality occurs in nearly every mammal species we've studies, its not unique to humans. And finally, check your law books, its already legal to be gay.

Next.

homosexuality goes against the very grain of humanity. if men were meant to be with men, they would be more suited to it. it may be human-human but in my books it is in the same calssification as any other perversion

WE are suited to it. Two men can easily have anal sex. Certainly they can have oral sex or mutual masturbation. It's as easy as pie!

My friend has 3 (count em') lesbian moms. The kid is incredibly angry at everything.

Really? My friend has four (count 'em) straight parents. She is incredibly angry at everything and everyone. And no gays involved. Heh, go figure.

Oh come on. I had two straight parents, married for 30 years, and look how I turned out - a crazy liberal homophile!

It's really a ridiculous argument, and has, as several people have mentioned, been scienticially debunked.

So, I like hate to hijack the thread, but as someone previously brought up The Ark, I will just ask this one question.

Can you get them for less than $40 in the US? I mean, I just found them on Amazon and that's rather expensive for me. I listened to a couple of songs and they are good, but I'm not sure I'm willing to pay that much for a CD.

My dad happens to be gay, and trust me, any bullying about it isn't any more of a deal than anything else that will get you bullied at school. From the moment my dad told me he was, I accepted it and was very open about it, and I receive very little ridicule about it. If two homosexuals want to adopt a child, then they should definitely be able to. If the child has problems with bullying, then just like anything else, he should seek help. If it continues to happen, then why blame the adopters before you blame the bullies? Why not deal with THEM instead of denying gays the right to raise a child?

Just for some more proof, there was a poll done that actually said that, out of 50 children who grew up with gay parents, 100% said they didn't even want to try having straight parents. I mean, studies have also shown gays to be more caring, so it might actually be a great situation.

I am 100% in support of both allowing gays equal rights to marry, and allowing them the same rights for adoption.

My heterosexual mother lives in Charleston, and asks me every friccing week if I want to live there instead of here. Every week, it's a no, because she's a conservative woman who was turned into a militaristic b*tch by the Navy. My dad's very liberal and seems to be a better parent...one such instance in which a gay is a better parent than a straight one.

there is a reson there are suposed to be a father and a mother think about it.
If there werent a good reson for there to be a father and a mother than nature would have made us unisex creatures with neter male or females.
The two parents are suposed to be of diferent sexes becouse they have different responsabilitys and different jobs in rasing the kid.
You don´t have to be tolerant about every thing :eek:
Nonesense, a lot of species procreate with male/female unions, but a great deal less have an element of 2 parent nuturing.

Homosexuality is unnatural. legalising it would be like letting someone marry a horse. it is wrong
Nothing is unnatural. It is not in the least like allowing someone to marry something not capable of forming consent.

homosexuality goes against the very grain of humanity. if men were meant to be with men, they would be more suited to it. it may be human-human but in my books it is in the same calssification as any other perversion
Humanity does not have a grain. If you intend to substantiate that men are/were 'meant' to be something, you first need to substantiate that there is a something that had/has not only the intention but the ability to 'intend' what men would be.

The opinion of most adopted people I know, is that age of adoptive parents is far more of a concern.

Of course gay couples should be allowed to adopt and have kids by other means (like IVF). I don't see why two men or two women wouldn't be able to provide just as nurturing an environment as a man and a woman.
About the psychological impact of discrimination, well that used to apply to(and to some extent still does) the kids of interracial unions. However, as the idea becomes more accepted the amount of discrimination will decrease.
Discrimination shouldn't be used as a reason to deprive the people being discriminated against of rights- it just feeds the prejudice.

I am 100% for gay marriage. It's a legal binding and it should be allowed. But I am at a crossroad when it comes to the subject of a gay couple adopting a child. On one hand, I'm for civil liberties and I think that's very important and I think that people should have the freedom to do as much as they want, as long as it doesnt hurt other people and is well within the bounds of safe for society. On the other hand, I'm afraid of the psychological affects on the child. I'm afraid of the ridicule they will get growing up. They will obviously need therapy from this and I'm concerned. Your opinions to help me decide? And please dont speak of the "immorality" of gay marriage. I already am for gay marriage and nothing you all will say could change my mind. But what you say on the issue of gays adopting children can change it. Please help.
Statistics show that children raised by gay parents grow up just like other kids, but more tolerant of people different from them....the other propaganda is just cc lies.

there was that other guy who went away a long time ago who was as bad if not worse...

i can't remember his name. he left after someone posted a link to a very right wing site before these boards changes over to this server.



Keep in mind, I've been on this site for less than a year.

there was that other guy who went away a long time ago who was as bad if not worse...

i can't remember his name. he left after someone posted a link to a very right wing site before these boards changes over to this server.

Snubis?

And just why is it so easy for people of the same gender to stimulate each other? I mean, by your logic, gay males ought to not be able to get any pleasure from certain acts I'll not detail here, and yet, certain things seem to be in the right place for it to work. Hmm...

(Did I dance around the explicitness of that argument or what?)

You did - and very well to! It seems to me that those who object so much probably have secret wishes they don't want to share ;)

You did - and very well to! It seems to me that those who object so much probably have secret wishes they don't want to share ;)
Freud had some great theories about that - sexual repression and all. Of course, he's been mostly debunked, but there was some element of rationality deep down in his ideas - er, very deep down.

Snubis?

My buddy Snubis the Parrot!

i dont see why other than religous reason that gay people should not be allowed to adopt, but then if your religion doesnt allow it then dont do it but dont force others to go by the same religous rules you do

Yes they should be able to adopt children as man/woman couples can. Do you really think having two mommies or two daddies would be worse than have no one and living in an orphanage until you're old enough to get thrown out?

personaly I would have much rather been raised by a pair of nice fags than the abusive (single) mother that, beat me regularly and told me more than once that she wished i was never born. I dont care if the kids at school would have beat me up over it. At least at home I would not have had to go through it.
The worst was when she would start yelling about the things whe was sure that i would do in the future and then start hitting me over it.
or the time that she was crying in her room and I asked her what was wrong and she grabed my neck and shoved my face into her mirror and said, look thats what wrong with my life you little basturd.

So I say let the fags/dikes adopt just make sure they meet the same qualifications(SP?) that the striaghts do.

I don't think gay couples should be able to adopt kids. Get married, yes, but adopt kids? No. Kids are a bi-product of a male/female relationship. Gay couples go into unions or marriage knowing they can't have kids of their own. It's a choice they make. Furthermore I think kids would benefit much more from a traditional upbringing.

I don't think gay couples should be able to adopt kids. Get married, yes, but adopt kids? No. Kids are a bi-product of a male/female relationship. Gay couples go into unions or marriage knowing they can't have kids of their own. It's a choice they make. Furthermore I think kids would benefit much more from a traditional upbringing.
Define traditional upbringing? The notion of what makes a family are constantly changing. What makes the nuclear family any better? In the past children were raised by their whole extended family or clan. Then, the idea of familly became more nuclear. Now people can identify as a family even if they're a childless couple or aren't related by blood. Things change.

I am 100% for gay marriage. It's a legal binding and it should be allowed. But I am at a crossroad when it comes to the subject of a gay couple adopting a child. On one hand, I'm for civil liberties and I think that's very important and I think that people should have the freedom to do as much as they want, as long as it doesnt hurt other people and is well within the bounds of safe for society. On the other hand, I'm afraid of the psychological affects on the child. I'm afraid of the ridicule they will get growing up. They will obviously need therapy from this and I'm concerned. Your opinions to help me decide? And please dont speak of the "immorality" of gay marriage. I already am for gay marriage and nothing you all will say could change my mind. But what you say on the issue of gays adopting children can change it. Please help.

I have nothing whatsoever against homosexuals and homosexual couples, but i am against adoption of children on their part. I do not make it personal, but those children will grow up thinking that it is normal to be homosexual, which it is not. Not only will the child be ridiculed by society, but they will question themselves over and over about their sexuality, and (i presume) they will also resent their 2 homosexual parents for not providing them with a "normal" childhood.

I have nothing whatsoever against homosexuals and homosexual couples, but i am against adoption of children on their part. I do not make it personal, but those children will grow up thinking that it is normal to be homosexual, which it is not. Not only will the child be ridiculed by society, but they will question themselves over and over about their sexuality, and (i presume) they will also resent their 2 homosexual parents for not providing them with a "normal" childhood.

LOL. It's normal to be homosexual you know ? We all have the prepositions for becoming gey inside but we mainly don't ... on the other side, some of us do. I'm not gay, i don't have anything against them and i think they should be allowed to get married and adopt children.

LOL. It's normal to be homosexual you know ? We all have the prepositions for becoming gey inside but we mainly don't ... on the other side, some of us do. I'm not gay, i don't have anything against them and i think they should be allowed to get married and adopt children.

If it was normal to be homosexual, 50% of people would be homosexual and 50% of people would be heterosexual. Since only about 10% of people are homosexual, it is not "normal".

If it was normal to be homosexual, 50% of people would be homosexual and 50% of people would be heterosexual. Since only about 10% of people are homosexual, it is not "normal".

lol. then, since only 10% of the world population are criminals we shouldn't say that crime is normal ? cuz it is, you know ?

If it was normal to be homosexual, 50% of people would be homosexual and 50% of people would be heterosexual. Since only about 10% of people are homosexual, it is not "normal".

Who are you? Mr Generic?

lol. then, since only 10% of the world population are criminals we shouldn't say that crime is normal ? cuz it is, you know ?

Fine, if you want me to be more specific, being homosexual is not as
"normal" as being heterosexual, just as being a criminal is not as "normal" as being a non-criminal.

Someone said earlier (and i cant find the post again to quote it) something about it doesnt matter if the child has two same-sex parents as the child(ren) will find another suitable role model (of the opposite sex to his/her parents) and look to them to fill what is needed.

I personally was brought up by only my mam, nothing wrong with that, i think i turned out well... but do think having a male role model would have helped me considerably especially in the social interaction department, i never actually found a male role model to fill the gap and ended up slowly breaking away from my mam, i never really confided in her or anything.

I'm 21, still no male role model, not my uncles, grandad, best friends step-dad who i get on well with, neighbours, teachers... no-one. I find it hard making new friends outside of places where i am forced to survive with them like work and school etc.

But i dont see anything wrong with gays adopting children, whether they find the role model needed to fill the gap or not much the same as the child of a single parent would have to, the chance of the child having any problems in life is the same as any other, and with good loving support im sure they will be able to deal with the majority.

A quick note to end my ramblings... with respect to gay marriage i dont think it has anything to do with marriage, only the gay couple wishing to be recognised by the government as a couple in a legal sense, nothing to do with religion at all.

Fine, if you want me to be more specific, being homosexual is not as
"normal" as being heterosexual, just as being a criminal is not as "normal" as being a non-criminal.

it's not AS normal but still normal it is ... :rolleyes: in one sense or another. i really enyoj talking to people that are more "right-winged" about issues as this one. i realized that these people are soo narrowminded, so self confident ... but they are morons in many ways.

Fine, if you want me to be more specific, being homosexual is not as
"normal" as being heterosexual, just as being a criminal is not as "normal" as being a non-criminal.

Shoot the fucking left handers then?

YOU AREN'T NORMAL LEFT HANDERS, BOW DOWN AND DIE TO THE RIGHT HANDED MASSES.


From now on, left handers are not allowed to adopt, you see, we don't want them thinking that being left handed is "normal". They might grow up to be *gasp* left handers also, and we all know left handers are useless sacks of shit.

Nothing against left handers though.

Should Gays be allowed to adopt Children? Well it's not like they can conceive one between them. Although I would like to hear them answer the "Daddy, where did I come from?" question... and would Male Homosexuals want to raise a daughter and Female Homosexual want to raise a son?

Don't need to answer that... just my mind wandering again.

ROFLMAO!!! You nut! ROFL! Ummm ... I suppose that would be ok, but would they allow him/her to vote? LOL!

You scare me!

The reason so many gay couples end up being parents could be that when they get a child they know they really want to love and nurture it. There is no way for a gay couple to accidentally get pregnant and then have to be forced to deal with it.. a problem that plagues many heterosexuals every day.

Please keep in mind I'm not saying anyone one is better or worse.. a good hetero parent is the same as a good gay parent. Percentage wise though.. 100% of most gay parents -want- their child..

I have nothing whatsoever against homosexuals and homosexual couples, but i am against adoption of children on their part. I do not make it personal, but those children will grow up thinking that it is normal to be homosexual, which it is not. Not only will the child be ridiculed by society, but they will question themselves over and over about their sexuality, and (i presume) they will also resent their 2 homosexual parents for not providing them with a "normal" childhood.

All scientific and psychological studies point to the opposite. Children raised by gay parents are happy, well-adjusted and "normal". They are no more or less likely to be gay. They function well and are, well, good people as adults. The only thing that might be different is they are more likely to be tolerant of other homosexuals in their future.

And as has been said before, you're concerned over the bullying they are going to face? That is not a reason to stop it. It's letting the bullies set the rules.

If it was normal to be homosexual, 50% of people would be homosexual and 50% of people would be heterosexual. Since only about 10% of people are homosexual, it is not "normal".

In which case 33% should have blonde hair, 33% brown and 33% red. Traits aren't equally distributed. Just because something isn't the norm doesn't mean its not normal.

Fine, if you want me to be more specific, being homosexual is not as
"normal" as being heterosexual, just as being a criminal is not as "normal" as being a non-criminal.

Define normal for me.

Being homosexual is not as common as being heterosexual just as being a criminal is not as common. That still doesn't make it abnormal.

Define normal for me.

Being homosexual is not as common as being heterosexual just as being a criminal is not as common. That still doesn't make it abnormal.

true.

Should Gays be allowed to adopt Children? Well it's not like they can conceive one between them. Although I would like to hear them answer the "Daddy, where did I come from?" question... and would Male Homosexuals want to raise a daughter and Female Homosexual want to raise a son?

Don't need to answer that... just my mind wandering again.

When you are asked where the child came from, depending on their age, you tell the truth. Just like any adopted parents would. And I would love to raise a daughter. The challenges are different, but kids need love and that is universal.

true.

Most things I say are ;)

gays should be allowed to adopt but only the retards, cripples and especially ugly children no one else wants.

gays should be allowed to adopt but only the retards, cripples and especially ugly children no one else wants.

Which just goes to show that you at least are incapable of unconditional love.

What if gays want to adopt a Republican?

there is a part of the republican party that is homosexual. they are called the log cabin republicans. http://www.lcr.org/

Which just goes to show that you at least are incapable of unconditional love.

yup, me and all the rest of humanity. i'm just willing to admit it.

Adoption by family member first. Then I would prefer a man woman adoption if possible. It’s a yin-yang thing. After that gay couple then single parent. If there is a pecking order.

If it was normal to be homosexual, 50% of people would be homosexual and 50% of people would be heterosexual. Since only about 10% of people are homosexual, it is not "normal".

So, since over 50% of marriages end in divorce, marriage isnt normal and we might aswell abolish the whole thing.

It doesnt matter if its normal or not, what matters is: will the parents take good care of the child. I think adopting parents will, otherwise they wouldnt bother.

I don't think gay couples should be able to adopt kids. Get married, yes, but adopt kids? No. Kids are a bi-product of a male/female relationship. Gay couples go into unions or marriage knowing they can't have kids of their own. It's a choice they make. Furthermore I think kids would benefit much more from a traditional upbringing.

Ooh, and you were doing so well.

We are all human being's and God made everyone of us equally. If you have a differing formality(preference of lifestyle) by Gods grace, then thats your life.
If you can say that to a straight couple trying to get children for, let's say, 5 years, then yeah, I think you are free to use that logic. But Don't you adopt children because of another fact, that they (in not all cases) tend to have to live their lives in the gutter otherwise?

gays should be allowed to adopt but only the retards, cripples and especially ugly children no one else wants.


then you should have been adopted by them ... cuz from what you are saying it's obvious you are a retard ...

I dunno what I think about this...
a.) I don't want to give the wrong answer and have tons of rabid Kerry supporter-gaypeople on my back
b.) I think that love is fine any way; he Greeks regarded homosexuality as the highest form
c.) ... spork anyone?

then you should have been adopted by them ... cuz from what you are saying it's obvious you are a retard ...
naw i'm just ugly and i was adopted, but i'm fairly sure my parents were straight(though they never did have any "natural" kids hmmmm...)

gays should be allowed to adopt but only the retards, cripples and especially ugly children no one else wants.
May I ask you why (and it is not at all that I think it is some kind of punishment by you to the homosexuals who don't live up to your sick, nazi, macho views)?

naw i'm just ugly and i was adopted, but i'm fairly sure my parents were straight(though they never did have any "natural" kids hmmmm...)

lol ... now, i don't want to be rude and all but ... if you really were adopted, why the heck are you so conservative damnit ? your biological mother left you in an orphanary for some reason (what could that be ... hmmm ?), you were adopted by a family that never had kids on their own and you never questioned if they were just living together and being gay on their own ?

damn, i love to see people that should be democratic and liberal by default being republicans and conservative, even thoug a nice democrat family adopted them.

May I ask you why (and it is not at all that I think it is some kind of punishment by you to the homosexuals who don't live up to your sick, nazi, macho views)?
because the least fit for adoption should have to adopt those least easy to place. its still probably better than the hell of foster care or institutionalization.

because the least fit for adoption should have to adopt those least easy to place. its still probably better than the hell of foster care or institutionalization.

Wow, how gracious of you. I can hear gay couples all over the world giving their thanks.

lol ... now, i don't want to be rude and all but ... if you really were adopted, why the heck are you so conservative damnit ? your biological mother left you in an orphanary for some reason (what could that be ... hmmm ?), you were adopted by a family that never had kids on their own and you never questioned if they were just living together and being gay on their own ?

damn, i love to see people that should be democratic and liberal by default being republicans and conservative, even thoug a nice democrat family adopted them.
my parents are conservative christians, they needed some serious cover for their alternative lifestyles.

because the least fit for adoption should have to adopt those least easy to place. its still probably better than the hell of foster care or institutionalization.

Then homosexual couples should get the same kids heterosexual couples get cause studies show they are just as fit.

Wow, how gracious of you. I can hear gay couples all over the world giving their thanks.
if they really want kids, they'll take what they can get. otherwise they can just remain female gym teachers and male music teachers if they want to be around kids, like they did for most of the 20th century.

because the least fit for adoption should have to adopt those least easy to place. its still probably better than the hell of foster care or institutionalization.
1, How are gays less fit to adopt, than say my uncle's neighbours who have eleven children (all adopted) for the sake of state allowance?
2, Shouldn't those kids get the best parents as they seem to need them?

why shouldn't gays be allowed to adopt children? I am from a gay household. There is absolutly nothing wrong with me. I have two parents who love me, and are always there for me. My biological father, who, btw, is straight, I havn't seen in over 2 years because he is in jail for drug usage. Now you tell me: Who would you rather have your children be raised by? A family who loves them and will always be there no matter what, or a family where there is fighting, and drugs, and there isn't anyone at your concert because you father is so drunk and stoned, he dosnt remember he has a daughter. You tell me.

Then homosexual couples should get the same kids heterosexual couples get cause studies show they are just as fit.

i'll never blieve such studies, heck i don't believe the studies about genetic racial equality or the number of jews who died in the holocaust, what makes you think i'd accept studies about the fitness of sodomites. hell, i'm not ever 100% sure we ever went to the moon, or that australia wasn't a massive cia disinformation campaign.

my parents are conservative christians, they needed some serious cover for their alternative lifestyles.


oh goody, now i know where you get all the nazi ideas from ... stick the cross up your ass willya ?

if they really want kids, they'll take what they can get. otherwise they can just remain female gym teachers and male music teachers if they want to be around kids, like they did for most of the 20th century.
1, You know that the number of foster-parents isn't enough for the children to be adopted?
2, You have serious troubles with prejudices about homosexuals.
3, Just that they might take anything doesn't mean that we shall give them that.
4, Just for the sake I am going to call you fucking, ignorant, stupid, homophobic retard.

Hang on a minute... <_< ... >_>

Dammit Valhalla, you had me going for a while! :D

gay, straight, bi, metero... whatever! If you want a family you should be allowed one. People all over the world are screwing up their kids, is it because they are heterosexuals? no. It's because they are humans. If I'm gay and I can be married I should be allowed to raise a family... its just fair

oh goody, now i know where you get all the nazi ideas from ... stick the cross up your ass willya ?
i'm not a christite, i don't call myself nationaliast heaven now do i?

i'll never blieve such studies, heck i don't believe the studies about genetic racial equality or the number of jews who died in the holocaust, what makes you think i'd accept studies about the fitness of sodomites. hell, i'm not ever 100% sure we ever went to the moon, or that australia wasn't a massive cia disinformation campaign.

If you won't believe what is right in front of you, in dead facts that even most of you creepy cross-hugging neo nazis admitt to being true, then you are doomed to die ignorant. What else do you believe? that dinosaurs were a figment of our "crazy liberal" imagnations? I'm sorry, but judged on what you said, I can take nothing you say with any seriousness.

I believe Gays should not be allowed to adopt children.
Gays have ruined todays society and tarnished the way nations look upon The United States.
Congress should pass a law saying it should be illegal for a gay couple to adopt children and repeal the law passed during the 1970's saying gays could have intercourse.
There is no room in the world for liberals trying to make countries economically nad politically weak.

i'm not a christite, i don't call myself nationaliast heaven now do i?
Answer my questions please... (instead of posting thins like this)

I believe Gays should not be allowed to adopt children.
Gays have ruined todays society and tarnished the way nations look upon The United States.
Congress should pass a law saying it should be illegal for a gay couple to adopt children and repeal the law passed during the 1970's saying gays could have intercourse.
There is no room in the world for liberals trying to make countries economically nad politically weak.

I'm sorry, but gays didn't "tarnish" the way nations look upon the United States. Bush and people like you who support his war-mongering did that. Do you know anything about the US? cause you don't sound like you do. The thing that makes this country great is our freedoms and our acceptence. Saying that gays can't have intercourse is the same as saying a white person can't have intercourse with a black person. Gay people arn't making this country weak, with your closed mind and primitave ideals, you are.

I believe Gays should not be allowed to adopt children.
Gays have ruined todays society and tarnished the way nations look upon The United States.
Congress should pass a law saying it should be illegal for a gay couple to adopt children and repeal the law passed during the 1970's saying gays could have intercourse.
There is no room in the world for liberals trying to make countries economically nad politically weak.
1, Nice reasons you had...
2, Ehmm, we don't look at you as ignorant, religious morons politically linked with Pinochet any longer, but perhaps that is what you want us to think?
3, Because you have read in some kind of book or what?
4, No instead we must concentrate all our resources on buidling concentration camps and crush our economy in the meantime.
5, Look up what I called Nationalist Valhalla!

Answer my questions please... (instead of posting thins like this)

i wasn't responding to you in this post, i was responding to swampy...
:p

If you won't believe what is right in front of you, in dead facts that even most of you creepy cross-hugging neo nazis admitt to being true, then you are doomed to die ignorant. What else do you believe? that dinosaurs were a figment of our "crazy liberal" imagnations? I'm sorry, but judged on what you said, I can take nothing you say with any seriousness.
thor and odin killed off all the dragons in the ancient days

thor and odin killed off all the dragons in the ancient days
And if you don't belive in Australia, what proof have you got for that claim?

thor and odin killed off all the dragons in the ancient days

Poor dragons. :(

1, You know that the number of foster-parents isn't enough for the children to be adopted?
2, You have serious troubles with prejudices about homosexuals.
3, Just that they might take anything doesn't mean that we shall give them that.
4, Just for the sake I am going to call you fucking, ignorant, stupid, homophobic retard.
1. true
2. true
3. well they will if that's all we offer them
4. just a flamey ad hominem attack... meh

And if you don't belive in Australia, what proof have you got for that claim?
archeological evidence reinterpreted through the filters of my faith
:D

By the way it is spelled ODEN, Odin is pre-viking and thus they aren't the name used by the full, perfect race you (most probably) are reffering to.

Poor dragons. :(
yeah but they did eat way to many hot teenaged maidens and fried way to many brave but inexperienced young warriors

1. true
2. true

Then why should we just give them those kids?

By the way it is spelled ODEN, Odin is pre-viking and thus they aren't the name used by the full, perfect race you (most probably) are reffering to.
woden mayhaps

archeological evidence reinterpreted through the filters of my faith
:D
And what evidence have you got for that faith of yours? I mean, since the coming of airplanes and the ability to actually sense time-zones I wouldn't really buy that crap about Yggdrassil, but of course you don't have to avoid it...

Then why should we just give them those kids?

cuz its better than the alternative, heck if the shortage is sever enough i'd be willing to let them have a few moderately below average ones.

woden mayhaps
WOTAN is the name used on the european mainland (so if you are dane it is alright).

And what evidence have you got for that faith of yours? I mean, since the coming of airplanes and the ability to actually sense time-zones I wouldn't really buy that crap about Yggdrassil, but of course you don't have to avoid it...

balder talks to my through my neighbor's dog, and freya visits me on the wings of crow dreams.

WOTAN is the name used on the european mainland (so if you are dane it is alright).
that's my real first name... lol

cuz its better than the alternative, heck if the shortage is sever enough i'd be willing to let them have a few moderately below average ones.
Conclusion: Kids who grow up with fags get mentally sick so let's just give them the children we (with our social-darwinistic faith) should have got rid of in the first place! Man, you need help!

balder talks to my through my neighbor's dog, and freya visits me on the wings of crow dreams.
By your logics you must have been raised by homosexuals with accesability to heavy stuff... Wait, isn't Balder dead? Or are you implying that we live in Hel?

that's my real first name... lol
Somehow I am not surprised...

By your logics you must have been raised by homosexuals with accesability to heavy stuff... Wait, isn't Balder dead? Or are you implying that we live in Hel?
that's why he can only communicate through the voice of canines.

that's why he can only communicate through the voice of canines.
So, birth is the arrival from Midgå/aard, right (you odinists are even more weird than I thought...)?

Conclusion: Kids who grow up with fags get mentally sick so let's just give them the children we (with our social-darwinistic faith) should have got rid of in the first place! Man, you need help!

sodomites don't like to be called fags N.O., so unless you are claiming the privilage due to membership, i'd appreciate if you kept a civil tongue in your head... mmmmkay.

So, birth is the arrival from Midgå/aard, right (you odinists are even more weird than I thought...)?
well i'm more weird, i don't know about other odinists i just make it up as i go along.

I cannot find a reason why not. Its all about love :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

sodomites don't like to be called fags N.O., so unless you are claiming the privilage due to membership, i'd appreciate if you kept a civil tongue in your head... mmmmkay.
HOMOSEXUALS don't like being called fags NOR sodomites, if you didn't like that post, complain on yoour behalf at least (cuz' I don't think you have so much sympathy from the "sodomite" direction...)

HOMOSEXUALS don't like being called fags NOR sodomites, if you didn't like that post, complain on yoour behalf at least (cuz' I don't think you have so much sympathy from the "sodomite" direction...)
you now, this is really too easy with you ... peace, gotta go...lol

Looking at the child's perspective rather then the adults jaded views, being one who went through family services as an experience, I know alot of children that would benefit from being adopted by someone that will love them, inspire them to get good grades, take them to the fair, give them a christmas or any holiday for that matter and remember their birthday, be their when they cry over being crushed by their first crush, be there when the move into their first home away from home, give them grocery money when they accidentally decided to have a little too much fun [because we all did it] and welcome your childs new loved ones in when they are an adult themselves. It can't be any worse then adults that eat too much, watch too much tv while neglecting their child, single parents that sleep around leaving latchkey kids at home to fend for themselves, overworked parents that never see their children. Those parents weren't screened for licensing when they should have been. If an adoption agency gives a seal of approval then most like that parent, gay or not is better then most of the population breeding at the ages of 14 to 15. [there hope that helps with your decision. Have love to share? Give it freely and unconditionally. That raises a good child. Gay or not.]