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when did this happen?!

if she is, I'm voting for her because she's woman, w00t, power to the females!

*thought trails off* omg, I get to vote for the first time in 2008, life is GOOD! *dances* :D :p

that would be interesting to see.
it would be a kick up the arse to the conservative populace if she was to be elected.

that would be interesting to see.
it would be a kick up the arse to the conservative populace if she was to be elected.
Her or Barack Obama. :p

I sincerely doubt she'd be elected. Politically, she's pissed off a lot of Dems, and personally, she's an ice-woman (guess you'd have to be to get that far).

Oh well, I'd vote for her in the caucus and the election if she got that far.

She's been hinting at it for awhile. Everyone sees it coming. Hillary's gonna clean house at the Dem primaries.

It should be noted that 54% of the votes counted so far this year are women.

I sincerely doubt she'd be elected. Politically, she's pissed off a lot of Dems, and personally, she's an ice-woman (guess you'd have to be to get that far).

Oh well, I'd vote for her in the caucus and the election if she got that far.

ditto.

I sure hope she doesn't go for it, because she could probably win the primaries, but I don't think there's any way she could ever actually get elected. The Dems need a more electable candidate.

I sure hope she doesn't go for it, because she could probably win the primaries, but I don't think there's any way she could ever actually get elected. The Dems need a more electable candidate.
Just what is "electable", really?

Just what is "electable", really?
I would say "able to be elected," which I very much doubt Hilary Clinton is on a national level. *sigh* Hey, anyone know any good colleges in Canada?

2008 will be my first election to vote as well. Hopefully I will do so from the college of my choice....*sigh*

Just what is "electable", really?
It's a word that, if I personally hear a Democrat utter it in 2007, will cause me to strike said Democrat with a baseball bat. Electable is what got us John Kerry out of Iowa and New Hampshire. It's a bullshit word that means absolutely nothing.

As far as Hillary is concerned, I'd be surprised if she didn't at least give it a go. I imagine Howard Dean will probably give it another shot, as well as John Edwards and a handful of others.

As far as Hillary is concerned, I'd be surprised if she didn't at least give it a go. I imagine Howard Dean will probably give it another shot, as well as John Edwards and a handful of others.

I doubt Edwards will run, as he will not accrue any more political experience between now and then.

Hillary Clinton will not win solely because she is a woman, not to say that is right by any means.

I doubt Edwards will run, as he will not accrue any more political experience between now and then.
He could run for the governorship of North Carolina in 2006, but that still would leave him short on experience for 2008. Still, I wouldn't put it past him to give it a shot.

Hillary Clinton will not win solely because she is a woman, not to say that is right by any means.
54% of all voters were women this year. I think she has a very strong chance, and will most likely be the Dem nominee in 08.

She's been hinting at it for awhile. Everyone sees it coming. Hillary's gonna clean house at the Dem primaries.

It should be noted that 54% of the votes counted so far this year are women.

It should also be noted that 28% of those women said in exit polls that they would never vote for a female president. Strange, no?

54% of all voters were women this year. I think she has a very strong chance, and will most likely be the Dem nominee in 08.

You do realize that not all women will vote for hillary clinton? Many see past the shallow idea of electing her just because shes a woman.

She won't get the nod from the party. Unless there is a massive swing towards the Dems in the mid-terms, there is going to be a major re-definition of the party during the primaries.

The dems have to start fielding candidates that are acceptable nationally and not just in urban areas, otherwise they will become increasingly marginalized.

And please, no more with the pretend interest in duck hunting. It looks ridiculous and is frankly just patronising.

He could run for the governorship of North Carolina in 2006, but that still would leave him short on experience for 2008. Still, I wouldn't put it past him to give it a shot.He couldn't get re-elected to the senate, what makes you think he could become governor? He is through, or as in MLB, with a loud yell, he's "outta here"!
I'm sure he will go back to high end law, and make many more millions.

Honestly now, what did bill do for Mr. Kerry? Not much more than give a little (minute) boost. Ever wonder why?
Did you happen to watch SNL when he was back on, and brought those yahoo's that play The President, and The Senator real well?

I would vote for her, for no other reason than to see bill as the first whatever the term will become, become that first whatever!

Who else do the Dems have in their camp? I mean we are going to be struggling ourselves, and really don't know who. But it 'ain't' gonna be Jeb!

I have to argue that there are good chances for Hilary to get the Democratic nomination, she's popular within the party leadership and (of course) tied with the powerful Clinton legacy. Her experience is unquestioned and she has demonstrated the ability to conform to political need. Her holiday trips to US troops in Afganistan show her political ambitions quite clearly I would think; she plays the veteran statesman role or the first lady role effectively in each situation.

However giving her the nod would likely be a mistake. Right now, even if Kerry had won, the national character has swung far to the right, and the right-wing itellectuals have long since made clear their utter distaste for her. Giving her the nomination would be throwing gasoline onto the fire.

Hillary gets my respect but not my approval; her past is mired and too easily tainted by attack dogs to be successful in a close election. Her proposed healthcare reforms in 1992 were swept aside in the face of growing right wing dissaproval and only mild left wing support. She has since moved to a more centerist position in her policies but for some reason is touted as some kind of leftist demon-queen by the political right, usually appearing in the same sentance as Ted Kennedy.

This kind of political marginalization needs no truth to be effective, and it has had years to sink into the conciousness of the political right. Hillary Clinton would polarize the nation and galvanize them to a considerable degree, which is really the last thing that the democrats should aim for in 2008. Especially this kind of "veteran statesman" role has been tried for 2 successive elections now, Al Gore and John Kerry both shared much in common with Hillary, in terms of political temperment.

I have to argue that there are good chances for Hilary to get the Democratic nomination, she's popular within the party leadership and (of course) tied with the powerful Clinton legacy. Her experience is unquestioned and she has demonstrated the ability to conform to political need. Her holiday trips to US troops in Afganistan show her political ambitions quite clearly I would think; she plays the veteran statesman role or the first lady role effectively in each situation.

However giving her the nod would likely be a mistake. Right now, even if Kerry had won, the national character has swung far to the right, and the right-wing itellectuals have long since made clear their utter distaste for her. Giving her the nomination would be throwing gasoline onto the fire.

Hillary gets my respect but not my approval; her past is mired and too easily tainted by attack dogs to be successful in a close election. Her proposed healthcare reforms in 1992 were swept aside in the face of growing right wing dissaproval and only mild left wing support. She has since moved to a more centerist position in her policies but for some reason is touted as some kind of leftist demon-queen by the political right, usually appearing in the same sentance as Ted Kennedy.

This kind of political marginalization needs no truth to be effective, and it has had years to sink into the conciousness of the political right. Hillary Clinton would polarize the nation and galvanize them to a considerable degree, which is really the last thing that the democrats should aim for in 2008. Especially this kind of "veteran statesman" role has been tried for 2 successive elections now, Al Gore and John Kerry both shared much in common with Hillary, in terms of political temperment.

I agree with what you say.

I think the reason that Hillary is still painted as ultra-left is because of her visible connection to the far left in the past. Of course, now she is Junior Senator from New York she has had to moderate some of her views to appeal to the Jewish/upstate population. Nevertheless in a national race she would still be perceived as a far left liberal and probably would be less sucessful than Kerry even.

The dems need to find a fresh face, and one without any open involvment in radical politics in their past. Then they would stand a good chance of retaking the White House. (especially if said candidate is a gun control moderate).

she's an ice-woman

Not picking on you specifically, UP, but I keep seeing this sort of thing about Hillary. "She's an ice queen" or "She looks like she'd tear your head off if you opposed her" and things like that.

What should she be like? All cookie baking matronly, demure, and making sure to get out of the way when the men need to work?

So she's a bitch ... GOOD! We need a few more hard-core bitches in Washington.

Two words...

Margaret Thatcher

Margaret Thatcher

Best British Hair. Ever.

Two words...

Margaret Thatcher

Yeah, but then you are relying on Bush et al. to mess things up as badly as "Sunny Jim" Callaghan, which is about the only way Hillary could get elected.

(Am I the only one who remembers Thatcher milk snatcher)

Mind you, I thought Maggie was a great PM.

It should also be noted that 28% of those women said in exit polls that they would never vote for a female president. Strange, no?
So are you saying that women are that shallow they will vote for some one just becuase they have the same arangement of body parts?

that would be interesting to see.
it would be a kick up the arse to the conservative populace if she was to be elected.
The conservative Populace would love to see her run...Just like they Love Nader.

Hey, anyone know any good colleges in Canada?

Well, if you don't mind going to a school that's wallpapered in ads, looks for profits rather than a real choice (which is why we get KFC, Wendy's, an exclusivity deal with Pepsi and hardly any- if at all- healthy food choices available) has a President that virtually no student could recognize and makes an obscene amount of money while charging one of the highest tuition rates in the country, is located very inconveniently with regards to public transit, is staffed with so many rude people it's not even funny, stacks just about any task with tons of red tape and is designed after an ARIZONAN University despite it being in Canada with its bitter winters, you can choose my University, York University. To be fair, York does have a great History program and the people are very friendly, but I keep thinking I should have gone somewhere else. Other reputable Universities include Carelton (Ottawa), McGill (Montreal) and Simon Fraser (B.C.)

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As for the original thread: I read that the race could very possibly be Arnold Schwarzenegger vs. Hilary Clinton, which I think would be a great matchup. To me, it's a no brainer- Schwarzenegger hands down over Clinton, simply because I have yet to see any politician with as much passion and willingness to govern as Schwarzenegger has, and, after we get past the snickering that "Ahnold" is U.S. President, we'd see that he'd be a great leader too. Maintaining a 64% approval rating in your state also helps.

So, while it may be sad to see George W. Bush back in power, I think the future does look bright after his term is done.

Since my first Presidential Election in 1992, I have never voted for a Democratic of Republican candidate. I wouldn't start with Hillary. Why can't they put up someone GOOD? Obama sounds interesting. I'll need to see how he does for a few years.

It should also be noted that 28% of those women said in exit polls that they would never vote for a female president. Strange, no?
That's pretty sad.

I wonder how many blacks said they would never vote for a black president?

You do realize that not all women will vote for hillary clinton? Many see past the shallow idea of electing her just because shes a woman.
Of course. But she would obviously carry a higher percentage of the female vote than Kerry (btw, women voted for Kerry 51-48%, men voted for Bush 55-44%).

I think a female candidate would turn out many more women, and I think the men who voted for Kerry are progressive enough to vote for a female candidate.

I personaly would vote for a woman candidate in a second.

IF she were the more qualified of the two.

and most importantly, provided her political views were similar to my own.

Hilary Clinton is a very intelligent woman.
But I question her experience in government experience.
Being the First Lady, does not make you qualified to lead a nation.
Nor, does a mere two years in the Senate.

If Condoleeza Rice werent the Devils Handmaiden, I'd consider her for the job.
But seeing as how she suckles from the teat of Satan.....no.

Will Martha Stewart be out by 2008?

Hillary will fit in perfectly with the US once 2008 arrives. Why? the power republicans have right now will push them more into the extreme right, and every illusion of a moderate right will be done with, so a moderate left would become a sort of natural choice for people to counter the extreme right. And there's many things about Hillary that will atract national voters, but I cant get into that right now I have to go to work.

Playing it safe cost the democracts the election. They could've ran a dokey against Bush and win.

Hillary Clinton will not win solely because she is a woman, not to say that is right by any means.

Oh, that's a rather bold statement.

I would like Clinton and Obama to win very much, if only because it will make history. A black man and a woman in government? True equality, at last.

Hillary will fit in perfectly with the US once 2008 arrives. Why? the power republicans have right now will push them more into the extreme right, and every illusion of a moderate right will be done with, so a moderate left would become a sort of natural choice for people to counter the extreme right. And there's many things about Hillary that will atract national voters, but I cant get into that right now I have to go to work.

Playing it safe cost the democracts the election. They could've ran a dokey against Bush and win.

She's too calculating. She showed that in her senate race. The dems need someone with more conviction and who can sell their message better.

She's too calculating. She showed that in her senate race. The dems need someone with more conviction and who can sell their message better.

You want to know what americans will see? "She saved the marriage even though her husband was a cheating bastard" if that's not conviction, I dont know what is. Hillary is a great candidate.

If Condoleeza Rice werent the Devils Handmaiden, I'd consider her for the job.
But seeing as how she suckles from the teat of Satan.....no.
Apparently she may be up for Colin (or... Colon as we love to call him) Powell's job, since I think he may not be able to live with his conscience any longer.
:p

If Hillary runs and gets the nomination, she'll probably get a chunk of the democratic hard-core base but I'm not sure how much that chunk will still be in '08. One things for sure, with a Hillary vs the Governator run, Arnie would win - but not unless the Constitution is amended between now and '08. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but I think you still have be an American born citizen to run for president.

I've known my share of women over the years and a lot of the time they seem to stab eachother in the back and not trust one another. Add to this that plenty of the fairer sex are just as far to the right as the Dubya and the Dems better not count on women to win them the white house. But then, the DNC doesn't really seem to want to be in charge these days. It's not that they needed 3-point-whatever million more votes to have taken the white house, just 200K in Ohio, Florida, or a couple few more western states. Oh yeah, lets not forget that they've lost control of the House of Reps and the Senate too.

I also doubt were going to see anything coming close to the turn out in the '08 election (if there is one) that we saw in this one. I'm afriad a lot of first time voters were disillusioned by the results of this run.

The potential for a third party candidate to really make a run for it in '08 is going to be really good, I just don't think Nader is the man for the job. Let's get another crazy little fucker like Perot to run. Better yet, Jesse Ventura. He's said he's gonna do it in the past, and he's been a Governor. Now that would be fun! :D

Mahatma Matt

You want to know what americans will see? "She saved the marriage even though her husband was a cheating bastard" if that's not conviction, I dont know what is. Hillary is a great candidate.


That is the same kind of logic that got the dems John Kerry because he was a decorated war hero. (And before the flames start, I'm not addressing that, just pointing out that these perceived strengths are not always as great as people think.)

If you run Hillary on the stand by her man issue, within a nano second, Rove et al will turn her personal life into a legitimate campaign issue.

Then they'll make it seem that Hillary only stayed with him in exchange for furthering her senate career. That's what american's will see.

Hillary will not make for one of the simple reasons Kerry didn't make it. They are senators. I think only 3 serving senators have ever become president (if memory serves me correctly). The last one being JFK. Govenors have filled out the ranks of president so many times.

Hillary in 2008 = Another lost election for democrats! :mp5:

when did this happen?!

if she is, I'm voting for her because she's woman, w00t, power to the females!

*thought trails off* omg, I get to vote for the first time in 2008, life is GOOD! *dances* :D :p
I sure hope she runs. The Republicans would have a lock on the White House.

You want to know what americans will see? "She saved the marriage even though her husband was a cheating bastard" if that's not conviction, I dont know what is. Hillary is a great candidate.
The only reason she "saved the marriage" was because she knew it was politically beneficial for her. I would bet that they are married in name only.

That's pretty sad.

I wonder how many blacks said they would never vote for a black president?


Of course. But she would obviously carry a higher percentage of the female vote than Kerry (btw, women voted for Kerry 51-48%, men voted for Bush 55-44%).

I think a female candidate would turn out many more women, and I think the men who voted for Kerry are progressive enough to vote for a female candidate.
Not Hillary.