NationStates Jolt Archive

My personal belief is that primarily what gay members of the population want are essentially the same things that virtually every other "out group" has wanted: respect, acceptance, equality of treatment. Stated this way, these seem like very reasonable expectations. Where the prardigm begins to break down is in the particulars, gay marraige obviously being one especially thorny particular.

There are a great number of misconceptions about gays among the general populace, and, yes, there is considerable homophobia out here. If my neighbors knew my thinking on this topic, they would probably lynch me! Well, they might TRY. ( smile )

For any of you who are gay ( no, I don't need to know ), my recommendation would be to establish a help organization for anyone ( especially non-gays ) needing assistance in some way; perhaps call it something like Direct Help for Life Emergencies and keep the fact that the organization was supported and staffed by gays relatively low key but definitely not hidden. Over time, the general populace would see that gays aren't defined by their sexuality anymore than hetrosexuals are defined by ours, and that gays want to be accepted as part of the larger community ... and should be.

There comes a time when the "in your face" approach does more to alienate than assist.

I just find it sickening the government, and the people, think it is alright for them to decide who I can share my life with. That they believe it is their decision if I can marry a person with a penis or vagina. Big government.. sucks.


Gays just want the discrimination and prejudice to stop. The public needs to stop invading people's bedrooms.

That's actually a very good idea. I'll see if I can work something out within the LGBT at my college. (I'm in Michigan, 1 of the 11 states to ban gay marriage)

I think that gyas are funny actually, I don't know why, but everytime I see a gay couple, i want to giggle. Maybe it's because it's so cute, or you just don't see it as often as a heterosexual couple... but oh well!

I'm for gay rights 100% and I accept tehm as a person, and totally support everything they do.

Over time, the general populace would see that gays aren't defined by their sexuality anymore than hetrosexuals are defined by ours, and that gays want to be accepted as part of the larger community ... and should be.

Yeah, about time that the US figure that out. They're kinda stuck in the middle ages over there in this regard :P

I just find it sickening the government, and the people, think it is alright for them to decide who I can share my life with. That they believe it is their decision if I can marry a person with a penis or vagina. Big government.. sucks.


Gays just want the discrimination and prejudice to stop. The public needs to stop invading people's bedrooms.

Sounds a bit like what some right-wing people use to call "legislating morality," doesn't it? Hmm. I wonder what happened to that approach after it failed so miserably? :)

I just find it sickening the government, and the people, think it is alright for them to decide who I can share my life with. That they believe it is their decision if I can marry a person with a penis or vagina. Big government.. sucks.


Gays just want the discrimination and prejudice to stop. The public needs to stop invading people's bedrooms.
no i think you need find it more sickening that they can decide who you can spend your life with and then say they have no business involving themselves in welfare programs or telling business what it can and cant do

That's actually a very good idea. I'll see if I can work something out within the LGBT at my college. (I'm in Michigan, 1 of the 11 states to ban gay marriage)

Go for it! Let us know how it turns out, ok? Can't hurt! :)

Personally, I just want to be able to love who I should be able to love, and in turn, if I do find someone who I want to be with for the rest of my life, I want to have the same options as everyone else, to marry them. It's not much to ask for. I don't want to be labelled as a 2nd class citizen...

Go for it! Let us know how it turns out, ok? Can't hurt! :)


Sounds good! I'm the Treasurer in the LGBT, so I have a lot of say in the group. Personally, I think they'd be all for it. :)

I believe we need an activist Supreme Court who can strike all these bans down under the 1st amendment (free exercise, once you get to enforcing exercise of a particular religion nothing's free about it), or the 14th (equal protection of the law, law should be a tool to help people, not harm them - or at the very least leave them alone).

Unfortuntely, it looks like we're not going to get an activist Supreme Court. I'm not sure what to do; people won't change. It took us 50 years to stop hating blacks, and even now loads of people are still discriminatory. Not sure what options that leaves us...

I think that gyas are funny actually, I don't know why, but everytime I see a gay couple, i want to giggle. Maybe it's because it's so cute, or you just don't see it as often as a heterosexual couple... but oh well!

I'm for gay rights 100% and I accept tehm as a person, and totally support everything they do.

LOL! Well, I'm so disgustingly hetero that I have to admit seeing a gay couple ( especially two males for some reason ) makes me want to turn my head. But I remember when interracial marriages were illegal, then when they were legal but suffered major prejudice, then when they were simply an object of curiosity, until now when they're considered slightly unusual.

Change, especially in conservative areas of the Country, takes time. People who "have always done things this way" need time to get use to the idea that compassion always trumps prejudice.

Sounds good! I'm the Treasurer in the LGBT, so I have a lot of say in the group. Personally, I think they'd be all for it. :)
Sounds good to me too. Through hard experience I've discovered that one of the very best ways to help yourself and those you care about is to help others. Some will respond in strange ways, but most will not only be amazed that someone cares, but will tell everyone they know how great this other person or organization was to them. Everyone wins ... I love it! :D

LOL! Well, I'm so disgustingly hetero that I have to admit seeing a gay couple ( especially two males for some reason ) makes me want to turn my head. But I remember when interracial marriages were illegal, then when they were legal but suffered major prejudice, then when they were simply an object of curiosity, until now when they're considered slightly unusual.

Change, especially in conservative areas of the Country, takes time. People who "have always done things this way" need time to get use to the idea that compassion always trumps prejudice.

You're telling me that two beautiful women kissing makes you cringe?

You're telling me that two beautiful women kissing makes you cringe?
Just a bit, yes. Why?

My (girl) friends and I sometimes walk around campus holding hands. It's a really conservative, Christian campus, but so far we haven't gotten yelled at or assulted. I know change comes slowly but it ought to be possible in any case.

Nonsense.

They want one thing.


To be left alone in peace.

Thats it.

Nonsense.

They want one thing.


To be left alone in peace.

Thats it.

And to be seen as a normal person.

And to be seen as a normal person.
Define "normal."

They want people to stop sticking their noses into other people's lives.

Especially the government. Gay people want republicans to act like republicans and keep the government out of their lives.

I'm the President of a PRIDE group at one of the three.. no four colleges in my city. We have a simple goal, and that is to serve as a bridge between the gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and straight communities at the college and in the surrounding community, and moreover, as a constructive forum where members of the community can express themselves without binding claim to sexual or affectional orientation, thereby working toward a greater goal of understanding and acceptance of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender individuals in our society. We want to provide an openly safe and supportive environment, to establish a bond of trust and friendship between community members, increase the awareness, sensitivity, and tolerance of LGBT and other social issues within the community.

I'm the President of a PRIDE group at one of the three.. no four colleges in my city. We have a simple goal, and that is to serve as a bridge between the gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and straight communities at the college and in the surrounding community, and moreover, as a constructive forum where members of the community can express themselves without binding claim to sexual or affectional orientation, thereby working toward a greater goal of understanding and acceptance of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender individuals in our society. We want to provide an openly safe and supportive environment, to establish a bond of trust and friendship between community members, increase the awareness, sensitivity, and tolerance of LGBT and other social issues within the community.

*blink* Was that english?

*blink* Was that english?

What do you mean by that?

They want to rip apart the moral fabric of families across America. They want to take everything holy out of marriage. They want special privileges, and they want people to be able to marry animals. They want to make marriage an entirely sexual thing.

This is should be obvious sarcasm, but I see these arguments all the time. One of my friends actually argued against same sex marriages by saying it would raise health insurance rates due to AIDS. How rediculous can people get?

What do you mean by that?

I mean that I got completely lost in PC jargon halfway through your paragraph. I'm just not that deep. :)

I'd be happy to see religious organisations and individuals take their head out of their collective asses and STFU, instead of waving the judgemental "morality" fingers when this issue is not about morality to begin with. Never has been, but as long as sexual ethic of Christianity is completely heterosexist I am not surprised homosexuality is seen as deviancy from the norm as doctrine. Social and governmental change would follow and I should add for example without the conservative Christian vote and a ballot issue regarding gay marriage, W 'the dick' would likely have lost the election.

The irony is "we" in essence seek to end the real immorality once and for all but are viewed as a symptom of decaying "morals". :upyours:

I believe we need an activist Supreme Court who can strike all these bans down under the 1st amendment (free exercise, once you get to enforcing exercise of a particular religion nothing's free about it), or the 14th (equal protection of the law, law should be a tool to help people, not harm them - or at the very least leave them alone).

Unfortuntely, it looks like we're not going to get an activist Supreme Court. I'm not sure what to do; people won't change. It took us 50 years to stop hating blacks, and even now loads of people are still discriminatory. Not sure what options that leaves us...

The New Revolution?

LOL! Well, I'm so disgustingly hetero that I have to admit seeing a gay couple ( especially two males for some reason ) makes me want to turn my head. But I remember when interracial marriages were illegal, then when they were legal but suffered major prejudice, then when they were simply an object of curiosity, until now when they're considered slightly unusual.

Change, especially in conservative areas of the Country, takes time. People who "have always done things this way" need time to get use to the idea that compassion always trumps prejudice.


The problem with that is people are mortal.... so most of the people living now will be long dead before these people can learn to except some things.

Just a bit, yes. Why?


DON'T LOOK ETHEL! .... now there's an idea huh

Define "normal."



Normal is what NO ONE is, because what is normal for one person. Is abnormal for another. The world would really suck if we were all exactly alike
don't you think?

*blink* Was that english?


Made perfect sense to me.

Made perfect sense to me.

My point exactly...

They want to rip apart the moral fabric of families across America. They want to take everything holy out of marriage. They want special privileges, and they want people to be able to marry animals. They want to make marriage an entirely sexual thing.

This is should be obvious sarcasm, but I see these arguments all the time. One of my friends actually argued against same sex marriages by saying it would raise health insurance rates due to AIDS. How rediculous can people get?

Funny how many conservative thinktanks, albeit quietly, acknowledged that homosexual marriages would increase the economy among other things, not cause a mild to severe economic downfall.

Funny how many conservative thinktanks, albeit quietly, acknowledged that homosexual marriages would increase the economy among other things, not cause a mild to severe economic downfall.
How would gay marriages affect the economy very much either way? This is just an attempt to get more information, not a flame or anything else.

How would gay marriages affect the economy very much either way? This is just an attempt to get more information, not a flame or anything else.

Encouraging cohabitation increases available rental housing stock
Gay couples paying the federal tax 'marriage penalty'
Married couples more likely to make major purchases of durable goods; more likely to own than rent housing
Gay couples interested in adopting have been on average more likely to consider 'troubled' or hard-to-place children than het couples, reducing state aid rolls


There's probably more. That's just off the top of my head.

Encouraging cohabitation increases available rental housing stock
Gay couples paying the federal tax 'marriage penalty'
Married couples more likely to make major purchases of durable goods; more likely to own than rent housing
Gay couples interested in adopting have been on average more likely to consider 'troubled' or hard-to-place children than het couples, reducing state aid rolls


There's probably more. That's just off the top of my head.


But then why would bush be interested in doing anything to increase
our economy.... he just likes to spend money that we really don't have.
The value of the american dollar has done nothing but fall sense bush
entered office.