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http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/video/ESPhq.wmv

And the website text for this strange phenomenon:
http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/ghosthuntershome.html


We went all the way to Good old Philly, PA to visit Eastern State Penitentiary. The place left an impression on us all. We did capture something odd on video. It is a figure of some sort coming toward the camera and then leaving quickly back down the hallway.

We want you to check it out yourself.

Here are some things to consider when watching this. While it does look like someone in a cape, the figure moves with great speed and does not turn to go back down the hallway, also it doesn't bob up and down & it would have to be about 4 feet tall. If someone was messing with us they would have had to have hidden in there all day, and known where all the cameras were and know when to stop right outside of the field of vision of the DVR camera. Everyone who was there that night was out eating dinner together when this footage was captured.

We can't say 100% what it is. But we had other experiences to support this as potential evidence. So, we present it here for you to examine and you can come to your own conclusions. We are on the fence, what about you?

The file is rather large, but it shows three different versions of the clip during the clean up process.

Or it could be, you know, just a fake. Since it's coming from a place called the "Atlantic Paranormal Society," who just might have a slight pro-ghost bias. Also, the phrase "clean-up process" is a dead giveaway that the video's been doctored. My guess is they got a vague blur on camera and then let their imaginations run wild during editing and clean-up.

That pulsating thing?

*still remains highly skeptical*

Huh, that is pretty weird. I love the study of ghosts...some of the stuff that's been found keeps me wondering about the whole question of such paranormal phenomena.

Wow that was a good catch! :eek:

That pulsating thing?

*still remains highly skeptical*

Actually, I saw exactly what they describe when I watched the video, and that was before he posted the writeup by the group.

Also, the phrase "clean-up process" is a dead giveaway that the video's been doctored. My guess is they got a vague blur on camera and then let their imaginations run wild during editing and clean-up.

A video that's been cleaned up is not the same as one that's been doctored. One thing is done to make something more clear. Another is done to create a fake product.

i have personally seen way to many ghost movies, shows,pictures and documentarys to know if that was a ghost. What i saw could very well have been a ghost, ghost films with actual ghosts are usually very hard to see the ghost, because it's very hard to get ghosts on film, or so is my expierience.

A video that's been cleaned up is not the same as one that's been doctored. One thing is done to make something more clear. Another is done to create a fake product.
I'm just saying that they could be using "clean-up" as an excuse if someone determines that the film was altered.
Never go for a supernatural explanation when a natural one will suffice. Only when you've run out of rational explanations can you chalk something up to the paranormal.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/UthRptr2/Ghostietwo.bmp

I = It seems to be a cloak hood of somesort. As I saw it ripple when it turned around.
II = Cloak Hem, it is stirred up as he ran, keyword, ran. Most people describe paranormal encounters, as the ghosts sort of 'Glide' across, they seem to walk, but they don't have the enthusiasm this guy does.

My Conclusion, This was doctored, sped up, as the particles on the screen seem to fly by at abnormal speeds, and the sheer fact that it was captured twice beats the odds of any and all Paranormal Investigation teams.

yeah i saw this yesterday on their sci fi show

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/UthRptr2/Ghostietwo.bmp

I = It seems to be a cloak hood of somesort. As I saw it ripple when it turned around.
II = Cloak Hem, it is stirred up as he ran, keyword, ran. Most people describe paranormal encounters, as the ghosts sort of 'Glide' across, they seem to walk, but they don't have the enthusiasm this guy does.

My Conclusion, This was doctored, sped up, as the particles on the screen seem to fly by at abnormal speeds, and the sheer fact that it was captured twice beats the odds of any and all Paranormal Investigation teams.
1) i watched the show, thats not the best cap
2) at one point it is very clear there is a full body walking away from the camera (during the clean up, before the clean up you can sort of make our feet)
3) they sent it to a third party to clean up, or thats what they said they did on the show

edit 4: i also think thats the same camera shot cleaned, and a copy of a screen showing the precleaned

I'm just saying that they could be using "clean-up" as an excuse if someone determines that the film was altered.
Never go for a supernatural explanation when a natural one will suffice. Only when you've run out of rational explanations can you chalk something up to the paranormal.

There are plenty of rational explanations...an even simpler solution is that they're just lying about the whole thing. While I rarely go for a supernatural explanation to anything, I will consider one when something seems to have merit. Forsaking a supernatural explanation just to cling to a "rational" conclusion is foolish, and vice versa. This is, indeed, much like a lot of ghost photography, in that the subject is quite hard to see, so adjusting the video in various ways would be quite a logical thing to do. Assuming that they're telling the truth, a supernatural explanation is something to consider. The term "supernatural" isn't even necessarily appropriate...there's so much in science that we don't know.

I've read, seen and heard (though never in the first person) too much on this subject to write every person who presents such things off as a charlatan.

http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/video/ESPhq.wmv

And the website text for this strange phenomenon:
http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/ghosthuntershome.html

Wasn't this on Ghost Hunters this Wednesday on Sci-Fi channel?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/UthRptr2/Ghostietwo.bmp

I = It seems to be a cloak hood of somesort. As I saw it ripple when it turned around.
II = Cloak Hem, it is stirred up as he ran, keyword, ran. Most people describe paranormal encounters, as the ghosts sort of 'Glide' across, they seem to walk, but they don't have the enthusiasm this guy does.

My Conclusion, This was doctored, sped up, as the particles on the screen seem to fly by at abnormal speeds, and the sheer fact that it was captured twice beats the odds of any and all Paranormal Investigation teams.

Actually, the video just repeats 3 times, with different adjustments...that was the "clean up." As for the logic...there isn't exactly a hard, fast set of rules for how ghosts move. Some float, some walk (and leave footprints), some don't move at all. The stories vary widely.

And, of course, if you want to believe it faked, well, that's your call. I see no good reason to disbelieve them, so I won't.

It's a man in sheet running up and down a corridor!
I expect he talks into a piece of drainpipe to sound real scary too.

Never seen a ghost, I don't think this is one.
After years of working nightshifts at two hospitals, in various sections, many of whom were rumored to be haunted (including a morgue and a terminal ward), I can honestly say I don't believe in ghosts...

That it was filmed at Eastern State Penitentiary gives it alot of merit in my opinion. I have been there several times and there is definately something... not quite normal about that place, take my word. A haunting at ESP would not surprise me in the slightest.

Never seen a ghost, I don't think this is one.

I know what you meant, but this is still a funny statement.

After years of working nightshifts at two hospitals, in various sections, many of whom were rumored to be haunted (including a morgue and a terminal ward), I can honestly say I don't believe in ghosts...

I suspect most people have never seen a ghost...doesn't mean that they don't exist. Sounds to me like it's a matter of being in the right place at the right time. Why would anything haunt a morgue or terminal ward? I think the theory goes that haunts tend to be places where the ghost had an attachment, and who ever grows attached to their hospital room, much less the morgue, a place most living people never see. Of course, that's just more utterly unsubstantiated logic on the matter...but as far as hospitals go, I can't think of too many stories that involve functioning hospitals that I've heard.

I know what you meant, but this is still a funny statement.



I suspect most people have never seen a ghost...doesn't mean that they don't exist. Sounds to me like it's a matter of being in the right place at the right time. Why would anything haunt a morgue or terminal ward? I think the theory goes that haunts tend to be places where the ghost had an attachment, and who ever grows attached to their hospital room, much less the morgue, a place most living people never see. Of course, that's just more utterly unsubstantiated logic on the matter...but as far as hospitals go, I can't think of too many stories that involve functioning hospitals that I've heard.

Sorry if my english sounds strange or my spelling is off :)

In light of what you are saying: Many battlefields, accident-sites and cemetaries are also rumored to be haunted, so why would a hospital or a morgue be any different?
I heard plenty of stories from the staff. Some people even swore they had seen things.
I worked in a permanent ward too(where a huge brain damaged people...etc had spent their entire life), the staff there told me some chilling stories of nightshifts there...But I never saw anything in the two years I worked in that section.

I have.

Sorry if my english sounds strange or my spelling is off :)

No, not that...just what you said. Not worth explaining, it just made me chuckle.

In light of what you are saying: Many battlefields, accident-sites and cemetaries are also rumored to be haunted, so why would a hospital or a morgue be any different?

Battlefields - people died violent, prolonged (or sudden), premature deaths there. Ditto accident sites. Cemeteries are places where one's remains lie...that certainly constitutes a tie to the place. People in hospitals, on the other hand, tend to check in for a time, then check out (so to speak). Their stay in the morgue is likely even more brief. When was the last time you developed a bond to a hospital room?

I heard plenty of stories from the staff. Some people even swore they had seen things.
I worked in a permanent ward too(where a huge brain damaged people...etc had spent their entire life), the staff there told me some chilling stories of nightshifts there...But I never saw anything in the two years I worked in that section.

They say it can depend on the person, too...both in receptiveness (not everyone's a medium, after all) and if the ghost chooses to interact with them. Some ghosts like young women, for example, and do things to upset them. Some won't do things around large groups of people...others only show up around them. Some are seen and never heard, and some just the opposite. The range of ways ghosts manifest themselves and to whom are splayed all across folklore. There's a big variation.

Here's another story. A friend of mine, who is probably more cynical, skeptical, and rational than I am told me a story of from her childhood I wish I'd heard about years earlier. This came up in a casual conversation, and this was all related quite matter-of-factly. I'd known her for years, but she'd never mentioned this. She grew up in a medium-sized town in WI, and what I never knew was that she lived in a house next to a cemetery. I came to find out that she did, indeed, believe in ghosts. She'd gotten used to seeing the man in the tophat leaning against the lamppost on the sidewalk outside who wasn't really there. She'd grown accustomed to falling asleep hearing her brother talking to and yelling at the woman at the foot of his bed. But her boyfriend (a short, stocky deathmetal-head) hadn't, so it was no surprise that he didn't like to stay at her house, because he'd turned around one too many times in the kitchen to find someone standing right behind him who would disappear moments later.

Coming from this girl, I have no doubt that she was indeed telling the truth. I have crazy friends, and she was certainly not one of them. She wasn;t even remotely superstitious. Unfortunately, her mom had moved out of the house 6 months before I found out about this, so there was no chance of me getting to check it out.

It's all interesting stuff to muse about...but we'll likely never know the truth about any of it.

Much to stereotypical ghost to actually be one. Plus, there seemed to be a massive amount of digitization in the image, it looked too...slick. And the lighting was dreadful.

I am also a skeptic, and big fan of empirical evidence. I have never seen any empirical evidence involving ghosts or UFOs or anything, just a lot of worthless anecdotal evidence.

Plus this image is a matter of perception, I went into this thinking "hoax" even before I clicked the link, meanwhile some ghost nut went in thinking "solid evidence". So, yeah.

That it was filmed at Eastern State Penitentiary gives it alot of merit in my opinion. I have been there several times and there is definately something... not quite normal about that place, take my word. A haunting at ESP would not surprise me in the slightest.

Pens tend to not be...quite normal. There is something that seems abnormal that people are locked up in cages, and that if we were to cross the line, we could be in those cages. It is also creepy to know that murderers, rapists and criminals of all stripes populated a certain area.

Much to stereotypical ghost to actually be one. Plus, there seemed to be a massive amount of digitization in the image, it looked too...slick. And the lighting was dreadful.

4 feet tall? Black sheet? White feet? That seems a little odd to me.

Anyhoo, it says it was filmed on a digital, and the lighting, well, that's pretty normal for such settings.

I am also a skeptic, and big fan of empirical evidence. I have never seen any empirical evidence involving ghosts or UFOs or anything, just a lot of worthless anecdotal evidence.

So am I. This is not worthless anecdotal evidence, though, it's video. You can dispute the content of it, but it certainly does show something, unlike a 3rd-party story or some such thing. As long as you're willing to believe what they say about it (I do, because their whole society is discredited if they're lying, and I imagine they're quite sincere about what they do), this would be empirical evidence...or at least something to throw into the debate.

Plus this image is a matter of perception, I went into this thinking "hoax" even before I clicked the link, meanwhile some ghost nut went in thinking "solid evidence". So, yeah.

True enough. I've seen both, so I went in thinking, "I'll see what this is." What they describe was the first thing I saw, before I read their description. There's definitely something there, and there shouldn't have been, so it merits some thought.

Pens tend to not be...quite normal. There is something that seems abnormal that people are locked up in cages, and that if we were to cross the line, we could be in those cages. It is also creepy to know that murderers, rapists and criminals of all stripes populated a certain area.

Abandoned buildings tend to have this effect, anyway. I wonder if this place has a history...of this kind of thing, not as just an abandoned prison?

EDIT: Yeah, this is a creepy looking place:

http://www.easternstate.org/tour/index.html

Yes, frequently. In Canberra, the Old Parliament House has several - the security guards make a point of telling anyone who comes in a night not to be afraid of the ghosts; instead, if you get lost and see a ghost, follow them and they'll lead you back to your group. Similarly the G-G's residence is supposed to have 3, though I've never seen one there. And there are various others scattered around the city.
A while back someone theorised that seeing a ghost is caused by microvibrations - because the eye is (ideally) perfect, a microvibration can be tune with the eye, causing the eye to vibrate. This in turn can result in you recieving very strange information: suppose someone is at the edge of your field of view. You can only see them in black and white, but don't notice because we're used to it. A microvibration can result in their image appearing to be directly in front of you - so you see a ghostly black and white image where there shouldn't be one - ghost! And apparently this would also result in various other phantom images.
The theory has two advantages - firstly, unlike the 'you're imagining it' drivel, it reflect the fact that people who see ghosts usually have better than average vision - you need the perfect eyeballs. And secondly, if it's true, it'll make the perfect addition to any creepy party: create a device which generates the microvibrations, bring it to a party and you'll have the ultimate haunted house.....
..mind you, it doesn't explain *all* of the ghosts I've seen! :D

Or it could be, you know, just a fake. Since it's coming from a place called the "Atlantic Paranormal Society," who just might have a slight pro-ghost bias. Also, the phrase "clean-up process" is a dead giveaway that the video's been doctored. My guess is they got a vague blur on camera and then let their imaginations run wild during editing and clean-up.

...hehehe... "pro-ghost bias" ...hehehe...

Yeah you don't want those ghosts around... taking jobs from us REAL Americans! You let in one, and there goes the neighbourhood! They breed like rabbits, and the SMELL!!!

Those ghosts can run, but they can't hide... oh, wait... ;)