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Thoughts?

Who's Leahy?

...and that should give you a general idea of how well he/she will fare.

definite losing ticket

Hillary wouldn't take VP status.

Oh, and Leahy is the Vermont senator that Cheney told to fuck himself. He has been mentioned as a Democrat contender, but I think Hillary is gonna dominate the Dem primaries for 08.

Possible Repub candidates for 08 include McCain, Guiliani (though I seriously doubt this), and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.

post #2: senior senator from VT.

post #3: ok but why?

How about Clinton-Obama '08?

Hillary wouldn't take VP status.

Oh, and Leahy is the Vermont senator that Cheney told to fuck himself. He has been mentioned as a Democrat contender, but I think Hillary is gonna dominate the Dem primaries for 08.

Possible Repub candidates for 08 include McCain, Guiliani (though I seriously doubt this), and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.

McCain yes, Guliani yes, Frist no.

Hillary is intelligent and surely understands that her chances are better as the second major party VP female cantidate rather than as the first major party POTUS female cantidate.

Who's Leahy?

...and that should give you a general idea of how well he/she will fare.

Actually it's more of an indicator of your own level of political ignorence.

Actually it's more of an indicator of your own level of political ignorence.

Well it's more an indicator of how well he would do if he ran today. I've had no reason to know about him because he hasn't really affected me very much. If he was going to run in 2008 I would find out about him.

Well it's more an indicator of how well he would do if he ran today. I've had no reason to know about him because he hasn't really affected me very much. If he was going to run in 2008 I would find out about him.

As Chair of the Senate Armed Services Commitee he never affected you? I reiterate: it is only a measure if your own political ignorence.

As Chair of the Senate Armed Services Commitee he never affected you? I reiterate: it is only a measure if your own political ignorence.

Fine, you win. I'm politically ignorant. Go have a little party to celebrate your victory. I'll bring cake.

I am thinking the best contender for president next year would be Obama. Dont know who would run with him however..

Fine, you win. I'm politically ignorant. Go have a little party to celebrate your victory. I'll bring cake.

Cheesecake, please! :D

Why is everyone so high on Obama lately? He won a senate seat in a state that went for Kerry by 10% against an extremely weak opponent and would have less experience in national government than John Edwards did this time.

I am thinking the best contender for president next year would be Obama. Dont know who would run with him however..

Next year, huh? ;)

Hillary is intelligent and surely understands that her chances are better as the second major party VP female cantidate rather than as the first major party POTUS female cantidate.
Hillary should also note that 54% voters this year were women. They supported Kerry 51-48, whereas men supported Bush 55-44.

As well, Bush lost the moderate and independant vote this year in favor of increasing the Republican and Christian vote.

The evangelicals will NOT turn out for McCain, or Guiliani, or Swarzenegger, or Pataki, or whichever other moderate Republican the GOP runs with in 2008.

Hillary is the frontrunner for Dem 2008 and everyone knows it. If she does not get the nomination, I seriously doubt she'd accept a VP spot.

in all honesty, if McCain runs as Prez it won't matter who the Dems throw against him. He's such a moderate that most of the country will be able to identify with him. The Dems would have no choice but to respond in like kind. And I don't think Hillary would qualify, especially after her abject failure at health care reform back during the Clinton administration.

Why is everyone so high on Obama lately? He won a senate seat in a state that went for Kerry by 10% against an extremely weak opponent and would have less experience in national government than John Edwards did this time.

Because he's young, he's charismatic, and he's moderate. He's an up-and-comer in the Democratic party. Alot of people say he reminds them of Bill Clinton. They're just hopeful for the future, is all.

Obama has said he has no interest in running in 08, for prez or VP. Just clearing that up.

Because he's young, he's charismatic, and he's moderate. He's an up-and-comer in the Democratic party. Alot of people say he reminds them of Bill Clinton. They're just hopeful for the future, is all.
So he's a black version of John Edwards, if I understand right.

So he's a black version of John Edwards, if I understand right.

I suppose you could put it that way. He's a black version of Clinton.

I'm so confussed! *blonde moment* who can explain to me whats going on? :p

Why is everyone so high on Obama lately? He won a senate seat in a state that went for Kerry by 10% against an extremely weak opponent and would have less experience in national government than John Edwards did this time.


I am high on Obama because I feel he is a great public speaker, I agfree with him on his positions on many issues, and I feel that he is not as corrupted as someone who has more "experience"

edit: I meant next election. I am obviously not the brightest crayone today

I suppose you could put it that way. He's a black version of Clinton.

That's why people like him. They want him to be the first black president. With him and Hillary on the same ticket, I think the Rep's would be pretty hard pressed to match them. Schwarzeneggar-Giulianni perhaps?

Thoughts?

It would have to depend on who the Republican ticket is going to be in 2008.

Who's Leahy? I know who he is, but do most Americans? He won't have a prayer to make it past the primaries, I'm sorry to say.

Hillary wouldn't take VP status.

Oh, and Leahy is the Vermont senator that Cheney told to fuck himself. He has been mentioned as a Democrat contender, but I think Hillary is gonna dominate the Dem primaries for 08.

Possible Repub candidates for 08 include McCain, Guiliani (though I seriously doubt this), and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.

Cheney actually said that? Wtf for? :eek:

I am high on Obama because I feel he is a great public speaker, I agfree with him on his positions on many issues, and I feel that he is not as corrupted as someone who has more "experience"


exactly.

If anyone seen his speech at the Democratic National Convention, then you would know exactly why he would be such a great nomination.

Clinton will definately be somewhere on the ticket... and Arnold will be in the top position opposing. That way the democratic side of the coin will present something new (a woman) but no one likes her, so the rep's will win. One party/two 'faces' thus presenting the facade of a choice. It's all staged.

There's only the formality of passing an amendment to allow foreign born citizens to run for president and the way is paved for the Presinator. Or should I say Conan the President. Whatever.

Actually it's more of an indicator of your own level of political ignorence.And you can't even spell "ignorance" right. :rolleyes:

Clinton will definately be somewhere on the ticket... and Arnold will be in the top position opposing. That way the democratic side of the coin will present something new (a woman) but no one likes her, so the rep's will win. One party/two 'faces' thus presenting the facade of a choice. It's all staged.

I am pretty sure Ahnuhld cannot be on the ticket. He cant run for president because he wasnt born in America, and I am not sure if that applies to vice president or not, although I think it does.

I think Rudy Gulliani(spelling?) might run as republican in 2008...maybe

Read up on the Constitution guys. Remember that, the rule book for the real politics game? Aah-nold can't be elected President without a Constitutional amendment allowing foreign born citizens to run. And if you think the xenophobes that make up the red states would pass, even for arnold, something that'd let a frenchman run for POTUS you're nutter than Nader. :mp5:

And you can't even spell "ignorance" right. :rolleyes:

Caught that just now, didjya? :D

Clinton vs. Schwarzenegger 2008!

:D

My personal opinion is that the Dems would be crazy to have 2 Seanators on the ballot again in 2008. I know it worked with JFK/Johnson, but I think the American people today want somebody who has experience in governing something.

McCain Giuliani would pwn Leahy-Clinton

My personal opinion is that the Dems would be crazy to have 2 Seanators on the ballot again in 2008. I know it worked with JFK/Johnson, but I think the American people today want somebody who has experience in governing something.
After all, I believe it is something like only 3 Senators who have ever been president. The vast majority is pulled from the ranks of governors.

And I recapitulate: McCain/Giuliani vs. Clinton/Obama 2008!
And you know McCain will win...

Read up on the Constitution guys. Remember that, the rule book for the real politics game? Aah-nold can't be elected President without a Constitutional amendment allowing foreign born citizens to run. And if you think the xenophobes that make up the red states would pass, even for arnold, something that'd let a frenchman run for POTUS you're nutter than Nader. :mp5:
I fully agree with this. They couldn't even pass an amendment to ban gay marriage, something supposedly the majority of America would like to ban, as well as most the Democrats mumble about marriage being "between a man and a woman".

There is no way Arnie can push his pet amendment through. The Democrats wouldn't stand for it because he would be too strong a candidate, and the Republicans wouldn't stand for it because he isn't conservative enough (and he's not American!)

And everyone still chanting about Guiliani...the evangelicals will not elect him. Period.

McCain Giuliani would pwn Leahy-Clinton

I would vote for McCain but never for ghoulianni.

I am pretty sure Ahnuhld cannot be on the ticket. He cant run for president because he wasnt born in America, and I am not sure if that applies to vice president or not, although I think it does.

They are already working towards changing the 22nd, I believe it is ammendment that currently forbids this. He has already been talking about it in the media recently in a serious fashion. There's a lot of support, and they've been preening him for this for a while... He's governor now... Just like the current pres was... If George hadn't governed over Texas he wouldn't have stood as big of a chance... These things are all planned and worked towards YEARS and longer in advance. This is CIVILIZATION. We've been honing our skills in it for Millenia, now. Read history. No powerful government has EVER run itself on a year-by-year as events occur/react basis. There are threads of history over a thousand years old still thriving in what is called the united states of america today. Don't fool yourselves.

I suppose you could put it that way. He's a black version of Clinton.
What makes you say that?

What makes you say that?

Uh, the reasons I stated earlier. Go read them; I'm not going to repost them.

They are already working towards changing the 22nd, I believe it is ammendment that currently forbids this.
It isn't an amendment that forbids it, Einstein ;). It was actually written into the original Constitution.


Article II, Section I
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

It isn't an amendment that forbids it, Einstein ;). It was actually written into the original Constitution.


Article II, Section I
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

OK, so what I heard wrong was 'top office'... I understood that legislation to an amendment was being worked on. I thought it was the 22nd... It's the 12th. The last line of which reads: 'But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.'
I'll admit I didn't actually go to the document initially to check, since the source I got it from has been accurate in the past. I am still fairly certain, though I heard that it was the presidential office that he was vying (sp?) for. Something in my remembrance is incorrect, but I'll try and look up the source online.

I seriusly doubt McCain will try it on 2008, he will do better if he tries it in 2012. As Republicans lead by neocons with full congress support will become more and more extreme in their stands by the time 2008 arrives people will look for a moderate opposite, so by default the republicans should lose in 2008 and will stand a better chance in 2012.

If Hillary Clinton runs in 2008 Gulliani wouldn't be a good choice for the Republicans who would like to keep their south/west voters happy and stay away from a NY vs NY fight that would only benefit the Democracts.

And the funny thing is that the same thing that tarnished Bill Clinton's record as president will be the one that might take Hillary Clinton into the Oval Office. The US has showed to not care much about the issues as they do about morals and personality. The way Hillary Clinton handled her husband's happy zipper will win a lot of votes from the moralists.

Maybe, just maybe, a woman will finally become President of the US. And it's about time.

OK, so what I heard wrong was 'top office'... I understood that legislation to an amendment was being worked on. I thought it was the 22nd... It's the 12th. The last line of which reads: 'But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.'
I'll admit I didn't actually go to the document initially to check, since the source I got it from has been accurate in the past. I am still fairly certain, though I heard that it was the presidential office that he was vying (sp?) for. Something in my remembrance is incorrect, but I'll try and look up the source online.
This is not making sense. I have 'heard' about what you proclaim, however, Article II, Section I, as stated above also reads: "(In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.) (This clause in parentheses has been modified by Amendments XX and XXV.)"
So, what exactly are you saying?
What exactly is 'the actor' attempting to do?

I also heard on the news he wants to propel Cali into the forefront on stem cell research?

I suppose you could put it that way. He's a black version of Clinton.What can be gathered then is; He is a liberal. He has a problem with his zipper.
He thinks women are placed at strategic locations for his personal enjoyment. Fast food is great. And a triple by-pass before age 60. Yeap, just what we need. Another clintonite!

So how about Leahy, already? :)

http://leahy.senate.gov/

Hilary Vs Arnold?

It's win-win, baby!

Senators haven't faired well in presidential elections recently, in part, because they have too many votes they may have to defend. Look at Kerry, he had 20 years of votes, many of which were against funding programs which eventually ended the cold war, to defend. I also think both Leahy and Clinton are too liberal to win a national election. Hillary, as much as people may hope, is not Bill Clinton. Bill was a brilliant politician and has talents Hillary can't match. Name alone won't be enough. Remember that Clinton's failure to accomplish many of his priorities during his first two years in office when Hillary was very involved lost the Democrats the Congress for the first time in 50 years. After that, Hillary and the ardent liberals in his cabinet dissapeared as Bill moved to the center. I think a strong arguement can be made, even if tongue in cheek, that Bill Clinton transformed himself into a pretty good republican president during is last six years. The way he coopted much of the Contract with America and made it his own was absolutely brilliant and it gave him the ability to pretty much call his carefully crafted political shots despite scandal.

McCain yes, Guliani yes, Frist no.
McCain is too unpopular among most Republicans and Guliani is too liberal a Republican to ever be elected president.

Thoughts?
This election should tell you why Senators don't make good presidential candidates.

A Hillary Clinton ticket would be a dream candidacy for Republicans. There is no way she would win. Even hardcore Democrats have lamented a Hillary run.

Why does everyone keep mentioning that Schawrz will be on the ticket? you do realize that not being born in the United States rules him out of the top spot, right? i mean, it is in the constitution and all.. although bu$h has four years to make his changes in that document, i guess.

McCain is too unpopular among most Republicans and Guliani is too liberal a Republican to ever be elected president.

I don't know about unpopular... But controversial. He had a reputation as a loose cannon, but I think that's tempered. He's really tried to be the centrist peace-maker the past 4 years.

And Rudy certainly has some very centrist social views... He's almost a Libertarian, if I understand their philosophies correctly. But he is hard right economically and very popular with a strong record of success at the mayoral level. And he will probably take a cabinet posistion to have national experience.

Either way, the problem for both of these guys is making it through the primaries - Being elected president as a moderate is easy compared to getting the party nomination as a moderate.

I think that in the next year or so, the GOP leaders will have a few people in mind and they will start to position themselves to run. Like Edwards did - A lot of visibility and appearances on Meet the Press. Get the names out there - Although most of these guys are already well known.

But I also disagree that the hard line right wing wouldn't turn out for a moderate vs. Hillary battle. It would turn into a rather negative campaign, but they would certainly turn out to defeat a Clinton!

Bad idea. Another pair of senators, the first a virtual unknown (yes I know him, but as pointed out above, he is not known to the general populace), and the other widely hated.

As for McCain or Guiliani, either would be great choices, but the Christians who've hihacked the Republican party won't allow it.

Dueling Bills (Owens vs Richardson) would make for a good battle.

Bad idea. Another pair of senators, the first a virtual unknown (yes I know him, but as pointed out above, he is not known to the general populace), and the other widely hated.

As for McCain or Guiliani, either would be great choices, but the Christians who've hihacked the Republican party won't allow it.

Dueling Bills (Owens vs Richardson) would make for a good battle.

Was Kerry "widely known" before the last election? Yes, he did lose, but w/ 48% of the popular vote. Was W.J. Clinton "widely known" beofore 1992?

From where I sit, neither was. So? The most "widely known" democratic politicians in the USA are usually those most thouroughly reviled by their opposition. So?

How about Clinton-Obama '08?

Obama/Kerry