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http://www.nielsbuus.dk/rod/2004election_by_iq.png

I doubt this is real, but if it is, it could explain a lot :p (Yeah ok, this didn't really deserve a new thread but why not, theres enough Election threads already)

yeah, i saw that chart yesterday on a different site

i found it very amusing, was thinking about starting a thread about it myself.

well, it's very amuzing until you realize that the IQ test is biased in a way. But hey, we never said the election process ensured the most competant candidate won... just that the one best at manipulating public opinion would.

well, it's very amuzing until you realize that the IQ test is biased in a way. But hey, we never said the election process ensured the most competant candidate won... just that the one best at manipulating public opinion would.
That's exactly why I found it funny. More intelligent people saw through Bush's manipulations better. :)

Ah, the truth is out. Idiots vote for george bush

Based on the IQ poll, obviously

That's exactly why I found it funny. More intelligent people saw through Bush's manipulations better. :)

That people often assume that those who don't think their way are somehow less intelligent.

Election vote would win. That is why The Empire of Presidency outlawed them.

Are you telling me that the population of California are smarter than any of the states that voted for bush? Considering California’s population is hugely uneducated immigrants with a fairly high population in urban decay, I doubt California’s population is smarter than all of Bushes states. The rest of the educated people have crippled IQ's simple because they live in sunny California, where thinking is less important.

Evidently, Democrats have lower IQ's since they believe anything any other moron tells them:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/bush_iq/
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/iq_economist/
Stupid bastards, go crawl back under your rock of idiocy.

Are you telling me that the population of California are smarter than any of the states that voted for bush? Considering California’s population is hugely uneducated immigrants with a fairly high population in urban decay, I doubt California’s population is smarter than all of Bushes states. The rest of the educated people have crippled IQ's simple because they live in sunny California, where thinking is less important.

IQ isn't based on knowledge, it's based on an individuals ability to overcome a given logic problem or similar question. A mate of mine is dyslexic and dyspraxic but his IQ is 165

Evidently, Democrats have lower IQ's since they believe anything any other moron tells them:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/bush_iq/
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/iq_economist/
Stupid bastards, go crawl back under your rock of idiocy.

why do you hate us so?

why do you hate us so?
Because this same stupid story has been posted and debunked on these forums at least 3 times. And you all keep believing it and thinking it proves something.

This explains a lot

These numbers are wrong, very wrong. The average IQ is 100 with 85 being mildly retarded. These numbers are rediculously exaggerated.

These are the true numbers, although they are for Gore/Bush
http://www.sq.4mg.com/stateIQ-income.htm

There is still a mild relationship, but not one to substantiate anything. If you want any correlation look at the Bible Belt.

i dnt think that charts real

This explains a lot
Yes, that idiots believe the first webpage they find on the internet with no regard to fact checking.

http://www.nielsbuus.dk/rod/2004election_by_iq.png

I doubt this is real, but if it is, it could explain a lot :p (Yeah ok, this didn't really deserve a new thread but why not, theres enough Election threads already)



No it isn't real, Ohio is about 10th for national IQ Avgs.

Everybody knows that you can't trust the Internet, but everything you see on TV is true.

Evidently, Democrats have lower IQ's since they believe anything any other moron tells them:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/bush_iq/
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/iq_economist/
Stupid bastards, go crawl back under your rock of idiocy.

Democrats, you just got served.

Everybody knows that you can't trust the Internet, but everything you see on TV is true.

Interesting paradox you got there

Even though the data is horribly incorrect, I'm still going to claim a minor victory in the fact that Massachusetts came in second. Woo!

Democrats, you just got served.
But with Bush in office for another four years, we're all about to get served big time.

Also, truthfully DC has the lowest IQ period. And they voted Kerry.

Lets face it. Kerry Lost because he does bad with the white trash. Somthing about someone who talks in paragraph form just pisses off the rednecks. That and guys kissing.

Edit : How do they come up with these numbers anyways? Its not like everyone takes an IQ test.

Lets face it. Kerry Lost because he does bad with the white trash. Somthing about someone who talks in paragraph form just pisses off the rednecks. That and guys kissing.
Kerry's strongest supporters are Black trash, poor people in the city below the poverty line. Republicans strongest supporters are wealthy businessmen.

But with Bush in office for another four years, we're all about to get served big time.

Yeah, the democrats and the rest of the world too. Soon all that will be left will be mutant republicans after GWB nukes us all. They shall live nomadic lives, wandering the wastelands of a post disaster America, with their faithful donkey, and one of them might just start the postal service up again.....

Everybody knows that you can't trust the Internet, but everything you see on TV is true.

You can't trust everything on the Internet OR TV, but everything you see on Faux News is true.

And enough with the profanity - it just makes you seem hateful. You've won the election, why not just gloat?

Kerry's strongest supporters are Black trash, poor people in the city below the poverty line. Republicans strongest supporters are wealthy businessmen.
*cough cough* racist *cough cough*

You can't trust everything on the Internet OR TV, but everything you see on Faux News is true.

And enough with the profanity - it just makes you seem hateful. You've won the election, why not just gloat?
I signed the non-gloating pact.

*cough cough* racist *cough cough*
*cough* stupiddumbasswhocantgraspirony *cough*
It's ok to say white people are trash, but not Black people? Sounds like racism to me.

Kerry's strongest supporters are Black trash, poor people in the city below the poverty line. Republicans strongest supporters are wealthy businessmen.


Wrong. While the strongest economic support for the republicans comes from businessmen, The votes that won him the election was the christan right working class.

Yeah, the democrats and the rest of the world too. Soon all that will be left will be mutant republicans after GWB nukes us all. They shall live nomadic lives, wandering the wastelands of a post disaster America, with their faithful donkey, and one of them might just start the postal service up again.....

Well a little extreme there. Also, as for fact checking, no matter how you slice or dice it the wealthier states did go for Kerry. The correlation is with population density more than anything.

I signed the non-gloating pact.
and yet you still call democrats idiots
was that not listed?

Wrong. While the strongest economic support for the republicans comes from businessmen, The votes that won him the election was the christan right working class.
Like my Christian lawyer father, my Christian uncle engineer, or my friend's Christian dad accountant?

and yet you still call democrats idiots
was that not listed?
I'm calling them idiots belive they believe a stupid website that has been debunked ON THIS FORUM ALONE three times before I did. Not because they voted for Kerry.

Arammanar, do you watch Fox News. Because if you do, it would explain a lot of this bundled up hostility.

I just know he's going to answer with a "witty" comment that flames democrats and completly avoid the question.

Like my Christian lawyer father, my Christian uncle engineer, or my friend's Christian dad accountant?


More like the working class in Ohio.

Arammanar, do you watch Fox News. Because if you do, it would explain a lot of this bundled up hostility.

I just know he's going to answer with a "witty" comment that flames democrats and completly avoid the question.
I get my news from CNN.com. I don't watch news on TV. I have never in my life seen FOX news, as until this year I haven't had cable. I'm not hostile towards all, or even most Democrats, I'm hostile to ones to post in threads about how all Republicans are stupid moron hicks who vote for Bush solely because he's God's boy.

More like the working class in Ohio.
Actually, that had a lot to do with The Guardian telling them how to vote, as before that little stunt Kerry was up 5 points. Thanks a bunch England.

Do you know, if you could harness all of the hate seething from all republicans in america through 1 minute, it would power las vegas for a year?






Probably not true, but if Arammanar was a representative sample of your average republican....

that's a lot of lightbulbs, folks

I get my news from CNN.com. I don't watch news on TV. I have never in my life seen FOX news, as until this year I haven't had cable. I'm not hostile towards all, or even most Democrats, I'm hostile to ones to post in threads about how all Republicans are stupid moron hicks who vote for Bush solely because he's God's boy.
CNN is somehow biased towards both political parties. I'm not sure how they do it, but they do. At least you don't watch Fox News. That thing is full of propaganda.

Do you know, if you could harness all of the hate seething from all republicans in america through 1 minute, it would power las vegas for a year?






Probably not true, but if Arammanar was a representative sample of your average republican....

that's a lot of lightbulbs, folks
And here comes Arammanar's comment where he reverses the context so that he harnesses the democrats anger...wait for it...

Do you know, if you could harness all of the hate seething from all republicans in america through 1 minute, it would power las vegas for a year?

Probably not true, but if Arammanar was a representative sample of your average republican....

that's a lot of lightbulbs, folks
Republicans are the haters? From this thread alone:
More intelligent people saw through Bush's manipulations better.
Ah, the truth is out. Idiots vote for george bush
Election vote would win. That is why The Empire of Presidency outlawed them.
This explains a lot
But with Bush in office for another four years, we're all about to get served big time.
Lets face it. Kerry Lost because he does bad with the white trash. Somthing about someone who talks in paragraph form just pisses off the rednecks. That and guys kissing.

et al. You guys devoted a thread to Republican idiocy, and I can't count how many on the front page are devoting to saying all Republicans are idiots for electing Bush.

CNN is somehow biased towards both political parties. I'm not sure how they do it, but they do. At least you don't watch Fox News. That thing is full of propaganda.
All stations have an agenda, since they're made up of humans who have agendas. I read about something on CNN, if it sounds fishy, I verify it elsewhere.

CNN is somehow biased towards both political parties. I'm not sure how they do it, but they do. At least you don't watch Fox News. That thing is full of propaganda.

*rooski accent* "Fox News, now presented by Josef Stalin"

"Our glorious government today increased production of weapons ten fold. We have global superiority, and are much better than other countries. That is the Official govt. News, aka Fox."

Not turning into USSR news broadcasts is it?

And here comes Arammanar's comment where he reverses the context so that he harnesses the democrats anger...wait for it...

Mon Dieu, monsieur! You were right. This could only mean that you are a mind reader (Sarcasm meter on forum explodes in a shower of expletives)

An IQ in the 80/90 range is borderline mentally challenged. I highly doubt that 3/4 of the country is literally mentally challenged. This is just more ignorant garbage.
If this is true, which it isn't, Kerry's home state of Colorado, where he was born and lived the early years of his life, means that he is among the 'stupid.' So, we have a bunch of people that claim to be intelligent following an idiot. Kerry or Bush; it doesn't matter. Either way, your argument shows that those people are not as bright as they think. Then again, who is?

Evidently, Democrats have lower IQ's since they believe anything any other moron tells them:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/bush_iq/
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/iq_economist/
Stupid bastards, go crawl back under your rock of idiocy.

That's it, you're gone for 2 days.


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*rooski accent* "Fox News, now presented by Josef Stalin"

"Our glorious government today increased production of weapons ten fold. We have global superiority, and are much better than other countries. That is the Official govt. News, aka Fox."

Not turning into USSR news broadcasts is it?
"And now for the weather"

"Well because all of you comrads "elected" us into office again, he will predict good weather for you, and if we say it, its true! Thats Fox's moto"

Kerry's strongest supporters are Black trash, poor people in the city below the poverty line. Republicans strongest supporters are wealthy businessmen.

That is a rediculous argument, as the people who you refer to as Black trash are a very, very small voting group. They make up less than 15% of the population, and I would say have about a 10% voter turn out

That's it, you're gone for 4 days.


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Why? I've never been warned before, and it's not like it was unprovoked.

"And now for the weather"

"Well because all of you comrads "elected" us into office again, he will predict good weather for you, and if we say it, its true! Thats Fox's moto"
It is very sunny outside! If you disagree, you shall be....re-educated.

*chuckles maniacally to himself with a slight russian tint*

All stations have an agenda, since they're made up of humans who have agendas. I read about something on CNN, if it sounds fishy, I verify it elsewhere.
and you verify it with other people who have their own agendas

Stupid bastards, go crawl back under your rock of idiocy.

During the notion's heyday, did you believe there were WMD's in Iraq or that Hussein was involved in 911? Let your answers dictate my response to YOUR IQ... (mine is in the 150's... and I never believed a word of any of it.)

During the notion's heyday, did you believe there were WMD's in Iraq or that Hussein was involved in 911? Let your answers dictate my response to YOUR IQ... (mine is in the 150's... and I never believed a word of any of it.)

I got a 135, I didn't believe it either. Although I don't give much time for IQ tests either, if I can get 135

Do you know, if you could harness all of the hate seething from all republicans in america through 1 minute, it would power las vegas for a year?

Probably not true, but if Arammanar was a representative sample of your average republican....

that's a lot of lightbulbs, folks Maybe, but at the same time, that's a lot of dim bulbs. :mad:

Why? I've never been warned before, and it's not like it was unprovoked.

Other people managed not to personally attack eachother.

I never believed that Sadam or Iraq was involved in 9/11. Bush was just getting payback for his father.

If this is true, which it isn't, Kerry's home state of Colorado, where he was born and lived the early years of his life, means that he is among the 'stupid.'
You don't understand the law of averages, do you? It's ok... here let me help: An 'average' is a number on a scale of other numbers that represents the 'rough equivalent' of all the other numbers added together and then their sum divided by the amount of them. That means that some numbers of the scale are higher (like a presidential candidate's [barring of course Bush's as he has proven countless times in the media during speeches]) and some are lower... Ahahahahahaha! :fluffle:

Maybe, but at the same time, that's a lot of dim bulbs. :mad:
lol. Newsflash! Las vegas runs on 40W bulbs due to mental power shortage!


Probably not true, I'm sure there are lots of intelligent, if a little bigoted, conservatives

Republicans are the haters?

et al. You guys devoted a thread to Republican idiocy, and I can't count how many on the front page are devoting to saying all Republicans are idiots for electing Bush.

Maybe you miss the fact that a large portion of the republican platfrom is based on Gay Hate.

I'm not saying All republicans are stupid. My point is the south is way more concerned with slowing social progress (almost all civil rights issues swing left over time) than issues like healthcare and the economy. These people are homophobic, white trash. If they were racist no one would mind if I called them white trash. Homophobia is the new racism.

I never believed that Sadam or Iraq was involved in 9/11. Bush was just getting payback for his father.

So in your opinion, a man seeking to avenge his father's name is worth 1100 young American lives and counting (not to mention all the Iraqi's who have died)?

I wish you guys would quit posting your IQs. We can tell how smart you are by your posts.

I wish you guys would quit posting your IQs. We can tell how smart you are by your posts.

Just knock 30pts off my IQ for being a pompous twat, ok

Why? I've never been warned before, and it's not like it was unprovoked.

But... I'm feeling lenient and will let you off with a warning. Next time, you won't be so lucky.

Just knock 30pts off my IQ for being a pompous twat, ok

Can do you pompous twat :D

It just irks me and a lot of people do it on here.

Seriously though, why hasn't anyone considered the neocons? I mean has no one realized that this war isn't about oil or Osoma or 9/11? In fact the Neocons had lists of countries to target 8 months prior to 9/11. What they want is the Pax Americana. I reccomend listening to Gwynn Dyer on the topic. He's an excellent speaker and really knows his stuff.

Probably not true, I'm sure there are lots of intelligent, if a little bigoted, conservatives
Everyone, to some degree, has some bigotry in them. The difference is in how they deal with it. Chris Rock, a semi-famous black comedian, has a great way to look at it. "Who's more racist: White people or black people? Black people! 'Cuz black people hate black people, too. There's two kinds.. there's black people.. and there's niggas.. and the niggas have got to go!"

Granted, it's comedy, but he points out a very clear distinction as the routine goes on. Everyone shares some kind of racist, bigot tendencies. It's not that you have or dont have them, it's just how you act. Based on the area I grew up in, and later lived for some time, I freely admit a base-level default disliking of koreans. I know several *individual* members that are excellent people, and I'd trust them at my back for anything.. but I still carry that bias. I wait to see if they legitimize my feelings or not before I let them know exactly how I feel, though.

(not like I've been free of the bias myself, being a Native tends to get me some crap, too)

Kerry's strongest supporters are Black trash, poor people in the city below the poverty line. Republicans strongest supporters are wealthy businessmen.
This kind of contradicts the constant harping on about how liberals are elitists and conservatism is the real politics of the common man.

This kind of contradicts the constant harping on about how liberals are elitists and conservatism is the real politics of the common man.
in the UK its the opposite: the left stands for the common worker and the right for big business

Everyone, to some degree, has some bigotry in them. The difference is in how they deal with it. Chris Rock, a semi-famous black comedian, has a great way to look at it. "Who's more racist: White people or black people? Black people! 'Cuz black people hate black people, too. There's two kinds.. there's black people.. and there's niggas.. and the niggas have got to go!"

Granted, it's comedy, but he points out a very clear distinction as the routine goes on. Everyone shares some kind of racist, bigot tendencies. It's not that you have or dont have them, it's just how you act. Based on the area I grew up in, and later lived for some time, I freely admit a base-level default disliking of koreans. I know several *individual* members that are excellent people, and I'd trust them at my back for anything.. but I still carry that bias. I wait to see if they legitimize my feelings or not before I let them know exactly how I feel, though.

(not like I've been free of the bias myself, being a Native tends to get me some crap, too)

Diane Simmons: Well, Tom, I just plain don't like black people.

in the UK its the opposite: the left stands for the common worker and the right for big business

Thats the way it is in here too. Its just we are verying good at spining things out of control.

Except that liberals are pompous, arrogant, stupid, and worst of all, ignorant of their own stupidity.

It pisses me off how people of both parties post things just to piss eachother off, which solves absolutely nothing. Get over yourself children, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, that's what make America a free country(I already know some people will bitch about that comment). Just shut the hell up already, everybody is more than sick of everyone flaming each, bush, kerry, iraq, anything else. I have already heard it is 1 million other threads. I see no new points being proven just STFU.

Seriously though, why hasn't anyone considered the neocons? I mean has no one realized that this war isn't about oil or Osoma or 9/11? In fact the Neocons had lists of countries to target 8 months prior to 9/11. What they want is the Pax Americana. I reccomend listening to Gwynn Dyer on the topic. He's an excellent speaker and really knows his stuff.

I know all about, I have read the Securing America's Defenses literature the PNAC put out. What I can't believe is how ignorant even liberals are about it. Its on public record and out there for anyone to see.

Except that liberals are pompous, arrogant, stupid, and worst of all, ignorant of their own stupidity.

Way to go Metzville!!!

We need more brilliant conversationalists like you on here.

Except that liberals are pompous, arrogant, stupid, and worst of all, ignorant of their own stupidity.Cut out the flaming.

I see no new points being proven just STFU.You realize you aren't helping anything?

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Somebody posted basically the same thing but with the 2000 election a while ago. I don't think that's correct though, I mean seriously 85 as an average? I don't think so. Even the deep south isn't that stupid (JUST KIDDING, don't take offense). I'm so pissed that Oregon is supposedly the dumbest Democratic state, and that we're one point below true average.

Oh well... maybe my 135ish score will raise the average... LOL no.

1) I find it interesting that a British company is measuring U.S. IQ's Isn't this the country that can't control Ireland? What's the IQ of a country that thinks religious beliefs should dictate politics? (OOPS, that was a stupid questions wasn't it? Sorry fellow U.S. citizens, Isralies, Arabic nations, Indian nations, etc. - didn't mean to imply that religion has a place in your country's political leadership, I'm sure it doesn't).

2) makes me think of a joke - hear about the Alabamian who moved to New York? He doubled the collective IQ of both states.

Seriously, this is a B.S. analysis and I give it as much credence as I give Bill O'Reilly.

All right. The link was to a falsified chart. I propose this one. Although intelligence isn't directly correlated with how much schooling one completes it does have some relation. So here's the link to the 2000 census page for level of education completed:

http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/education/p20-536/tab13.txt

and here's the correlation in voting:

State---% Pop Completed College---Candidate of choice
1 CO 34.6 Bush
2 MA 32.7 Kerry
3 MD 32.3 Kerry
4 VA 31.9 Bush
5 CT 31.6 Kerry
6 MN 31.2 Kerry
7 NH 30.1 Kerry
8 NJ 30.1 Kerry
9 VT 28.8 Kerry
10 NY 28.7 Kerry
11 WA 28.6 Kerry
12 AK 28.1 Bush
13 CA 27.5 Kerry
14 KS 27.3 Bush
15 OR 27.2 Kerry
16 IL 27.1 Kerry
17 RI 26.4 Kerry
18 HI 26.3 Kerry
19 MO 26.2 Bush
20 SD 25.7 Bush
21 IA 25.5 Bush
22 AZ 24.6 Bush
23 NB 24.6 Bush
24 OH 24.6 Bush
25 PA 24.3 Kerry
26 ME 24.1 Kerry
27 DL 24.0 Kerry
28 TX 23.9 Bush
29 MT 23.8 Bush
30 WI 23.8 Kerry
31 NM 23.6 Bush
32 NC 23.2 Bush
33 GA 23.1 Bush
34 MI 23.0 Kerry
In AL, AR, FL, ID, IN, KY, LA, MS, NV, ND, OK, SC, TN, UT, WV, WY the percent ranges from 22.8% in FL to the lowest, 15.3%, WV, and they all went for Bush. Thus, Bush won only 4 of the 16 states with the highest percentage of the population graduating from college but took all of the bottom 16 states. Looks like if the democrats want to win they'll have to get more people to complete college. :p

That's it, you're gone for 2 days.


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Hey, another "non-biased" mod...what do you expect...you can call rebups baby killers, but don't you dare insult someone from Umass....so sad...

Hey, another "non-biased" mod...what do you expect...you can call rebups baby killers, but don't you dare insult someone from Umass....so sad...

Rebups are baby killers. Dirty nasty baby killers. Weapon of choice? Pikes.

All right. The link was to a falsified chart. I propose this one. Although intelligence isn't directly correlated with how much schooling one completes it does have some relation. So here's the link to the 2000 census page for level of education completed:

http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/education/p20-536/tab13.txt

In AL, AR, FL, ID, IN, KY, LA, MS, NV, ND, OK, SC, TN, UT, WV, WY the percent ranges from 22.8% in FL to the lowest, 15.3%, WV, and they all went for Bush. Thus, Bush won only 4 of the 16 states with the highest percentage of the population graduating from college but took all of the bottom 16 states. Looks like if the democrats want to win they'll have to get more people to complete college. :p

Question: I see that this is a census total. I'd like to make 3 points:

a) All of the states with higher college graduation rates also have larger cities (and more colleges). This will drive up numbers.
b) All of the states with higher college graduation rates are also more populous states. This will also drive up proportions, if only because having a larger labor pool brings in more (and more diverse) jobs. All 4 of the states Bush won proves that, as do the Kerry states.
c) This dovetails with B... the less educated states, in having less diverse economies and smaller major cities, will certainly have fewer (by %) college grads. There is a reason why most of the major colleges in the US are on the seaboards and Chicago. Further, you don't typically go to college if you're working in a service industry/manufacturing/etc.

While I agree that it may have some correlation, I'd also like to point out that I know a lot of morons with college degrees, too . :)

Except that liberals are pompous, arrogant, stupid, and worst of all, ignorant of their own stupidity.
I don't mind you trying to insult us liberals, but at least give something to back up your claims.
Way to go Metzville!!!

We need more brilliant conversationalists like you on here.
Was this sarcasm? Cause is no way that Metzville's comment was in any way "brilliant". He was just spewing that comment out of his @$$.

Was this sarcasm? Cause is no way that Metzville's comment was in any way "brilliant". He was just spewing that comment out of his @$$.

Way to go Yevon!!!!

Your analytical skills are beyond compare!

I salute you.

Way to go Yevon!!!!

Your analytical skills are beyond compare!

I salute you.
:confused:

Anyway,good job, 400 posts for you.