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Actually you're wrong. Cheney has already said that he does not plan to run for the presidency in 2008. I find it much more likely that either Rudy Juliani or Sen. McCain will be the Republican candidate. Also, don't rule out Howard Dean for the Democrats.

Don't rule out Powell either.

Cheny is old and has two heartattacks on record. The people won't go for it.

McCain and Rudy are probably a little to liberal for the Conservative Repubs.

Hillary will make a run for it. Don't know about 2008.

I would probably vote for her just to hear the Conservatives rage about Bill being in the WhiteHouse again! :D

It would be historical. First woman and first first lady to become.....

I don't see the Christian Right accepting Guiliani or McCain for the Republican ticket in 2008, they'll want a more radical born-again Christian. The Democrats are kind of stuck as to who to think about, Obama is an up and comer however I don't see the United States accepting a Black President as of yet.

Don't rule out Powell either.

Well probably.

Is the Bible belt really ready for a black president?

Don't rule out Powell either.

Unfortunately for us, Powell has said repeatedly that he will not run. And after being crapped on for the last four years by the current administration, I can't say I blame him.

What if you had to pick between a jack in the box and Hillary Clinton?

Hilary Clinton, obviously.

Anyway, my guess on what will really happen. Hilary Clinton vs. Rudy G., or Hilary Clinton vs. John McCain. Yes, I rule out Powell and Dean. Dean shot himself in the foot with that scream, and Powell has had too much media backlash.

By the way: I can't believe Bush got reelected. It’s a real shame that someone so incompetent could win the presidency...twice

Rudy Giuliani would win if he ran in 2008,
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and he's way prettier than Hillary Clinton.

Rudy Giuliani would win if he ran in 2008,
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and he's way prettier than Hillary Clinton.


LOL :D


But McCain running would be cool.... that man cracks me up...
Course I miss Bob Dole too! ;)

LOL :D


But McCain running would be cool.... that man cracks me up...
Course I miss Bob Dole too! ;)

*gets up and does his best dole impression*
"bob dole is way prettier"
"bob dole can fix what ales ya"
"bob dole will unite the country

"bob dolebob dolebob dolebob doleBob dolebob doleBob dole"

Isn't Powell actually ethnically Jamaican, therefore rendering him ineligible to run for prez? Or am I thinking about someone else?

There are no more elections in the Empire of Presidency. To speak of such is treasonous!

Well probably.

Is the Bible belt really ready for a black president?

Why are you insinuating that the Bible Belt is racist. That is a completely false proposition. Powell may be a little bit too liberal on the social issues but he would make a good President on foreign affairs and defense, the only problem is he wouldn't run for it. He has repeatedly said no to anything of the sort.

Isn't Powell actually ethnically Jamaican, therefore rendering him ineligible to run for prez? Or am I thinking about someone else?
Unless he was born in another country he could be ethnically spjisfeosinian and still run.

The 08' Election?

It might come down to the Republican right pushing Jeb Bush into the fray. He would please all teh religous voters and his stock has risen after handing Florida over without dispute in this election. But seeing as how Bush controls the senate, congress and white house, a pesky thing like elections might be a thing of the past by then.

Its very easy...





Obama wins by the single largest victory in decades, capturing the largest vote in decades, marginally beating out this year, and capturing multiple Southern states for the democrats for the first time in years.


Honestly, is there anybody in politics who would stand the slightest chance at an Obama/Anyone ticket?

Ya know Jeb is looking to move one up on dubya...I think a rudi V Hillary would be great, finish off what they started. Would Rudi win? He was great for 9/11, no questions but would he make a good president? As long as it's not another Bush or Arnold it's all good. I stongly suspect Cheney will drop dead over the next 4 years. Powell is tipped to resign from Bush 04 but he looked really bad over the whole "oh theres a chemical weapon." For a republician there could be worse. Edwards would be good. And as politicians go not bad on the eyes.

Honestly, is there anybody in politics who would stand the slightest chance at an Obama/Anyone ticket?
McCain/Anyone would give Obama a run for his money.

I'd a nice little red and white exclamation mark next to my name as some one complained bout me...wheres it gone? Do they take if off for good behaviour..I'm off to insult someone then

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Honestly, is there anybody in politics who would stand the slightest chance at an Obama/Anyone ticket?[/QUOTE]


It depends on the anyone. Besides international affairs are going to go completely out of hand over the next few years. I'd love to see him win, but it just all depends on political climate. A genuine question is he any good? I've only been following him since the democratic convention

The name I have failed to hear for the Republicans in '08 is Bill Frist. He is an optimal choice against Edwards, because Frist is an experienced Doctor, and an experienced Senator.

As opposed to Edwards who is an experienced Trial Lawyer and an inexperienced Senator.

But if Edwards isn't up I'd suspect to see a McCain/Giuliani, McCain/Schwarzennegar, Giuliani/Schwarzennegar

(There is no natural born citizenship requirement for veep.)

Its very easy...





Obama wins by the single largest victory in decades, capturing the largest vote in decades, marginally beating out this year, and capturing multiple Southern states for the democrats for the first time in years.


Honestly, is there anybody in politics who would stand the slightest chance at an Obama/Anyone ticket?

Yes: John McCain or Rudy Giuliani

Yet his party is in shambles, the Republican's might just have the economy and iraq under control in four years and a potentially more moderate face on the reps.

So, I'd be surprised if Obama could even hold Cali.

(Just so you know, this is mocking the radical speculation of the previous poster, to put all in perspective)

An Obama/Clinton ticket might be interesting (or reverse if you may). Edwards after another four years might be another good Democrat candidate. Him and Dean, or him and Clinton may make a good ticket as well.

[QUOTE=Andaluciae]Yes: John McCain or Rudy Giuliani[QUOTE]
I would say McCain AND Giuliani, not necessarily in that order. And as far as Edwards goes, I though he was out of a job. How is he going to gain more political experience by '08?

I can't see Hillary NOT running in '08, and not as veep. I don't believe she'll take a backseat to anybody.

Hillary will run. but she will lose ot the formidable team of juliani and mcain. or Arnold will trump everyone if he is allowed to run.

I don't think Arnold will run. If they were to try to change the law, it would be too apparent that it was being changed only for him, and there would be radical amounts of opposition to this. I'm sorry, I can see him as the Governator, but the Presinator? That just doesn't have the correct flow to it.

And as for Hilary, I do not think the world is quite ready for a woman president. I don't know where she stands on any of the issues, but I don't think that America is quite ready for her. However, I doubt that will stop her from trying.

As for Colin Powell, I wish he'd run. however, I learned today that his wife said she'd divorce him if he ran. I don't know if its true or not, but honestly, who does that? "No honey, I don't want to be the first lady." WHAT?!

Seeing all of these posts, I'll be really interested to see what the '08 Primaries look like. Watching McCain and Juliani go head-to-head will be pretty entertaining. Personally, I'd love it if John McCain finally got his well-deserved shot at the presidency. The man really isn't a Republican in many senses of the word and the primary reason he's still with them is for the party affiliation (and hence, the money that comes with it). He'd make a great president as he's moderate enough to attract support from the moderates in both parties and be able to make our country one again.
I don't know much about Juliani's stances on things, if someone could fill these in, that would be great.

On the Democratic side, I think Hillary Clinton is the most logical choice, if only for her association with Bill. The problem is, her political views are incredibly more liberal, especially on social issues. The Republicans would easily reveal this to American people just like they did with Kerry (1st most liberal, etc) and run her over.
The other choice I'd be interested in seeing is Barack Obama, who, although new to the national political scene, could be just what the country needs: a person with fresh views and new ideas that aren't tarnished by years in Washington. I'm pretty sure people could look past the fact that he is black if he presents himself as the strongest choice.

What do you all think?

By the way: I can't believe Bush got reelected. It’s a real shame that someone so incompetent could win the presidency...twice
Many of his voters didn't vote on issues, but rather image, ideology and religiosity.

Rudy and John may rock in a general election, but neither man has a prayer of carrying the south in a primary. That's how Bush beat mccain in 2000. And he is still to far left to win the south. Jeb 2008!!! 12 More Years!!!!

Cheny is old and has two heartattacks on record. The people won't go for it.

McCain and Rudy are probably a little to liberal for the Conservative Repubs.

Hillary will make a run for it. Don't know about 2008.

I would probably vote for her just to hear the Conservatives rage about Bill being in the WhiteHouse again! :D

It would be historical. First woman and first first lady to become.....

You forget Hillary already ran this country for 8 years!!!!!

Bill only got his balls when Hillary told him to do something and he did it! Hence how he scored with Monica!!!!! Monica was his reward for doing what he was told!!!!!

I don't see the Christian Right accepting Guiliani or McCain for the Republican ticket in 2008, they'll want a more radical born-again Christian. The Democrats are kind of stuck as to who to think about, Obama is an up and comer however I don't see the United States accepting a Black President as of yet.

I would vote for a black president if he was Pro Gun!!!!!

What if you had to pick between a jack in the box and Hillary Clinton?

Hands down the Jack in the Box!!!!!

Hillary Clinton would be an interesting candidate, but she is such a polarizing personality that I don't think she would have a good chance of getting the democratic nomination, let alone the presidency. Obama isn't going to be elected, not because he isn't qualified to be president, but because he's black. Let's be realistic.

Ya know Jeb is looking to move one up on dubya...I think a rudi V Hillary would be great, finish off what they started. Would Rudi win? He was great for 9/11, no questions but would he make a good president? As long as it's not another Bush or Arnold it's all good. I stongly suspect Cheney will drop dead over the next 4 years. Powell is tipped to resign from Bush 04 but he looked really bad over the whole "oh theres a chemical weapon." For a republician there could be worse. Edwards would be good. And as politicians go not bad on the eyes.

Too bad Edwards ran with Kerry! I think Bush Edwards would be a good mix in the White House!!!!!

Too bad Edwards ran with Kerry! I think Bush Edwards would be a good mix in the White House!!!!!
If Bush and Edwards entered the White House, only one of them would leave alive. And I think it'd be Edwards, cause he's young and spry.

The Republicans would do well running McCain/Giuliani(Frist? DeLay? I dunno), but they wouldn't because McCain would alienate the Far Right and get burned in primaries. So I'm guessing they'll run Frist, DeLay, Santorum, or one of the other hard righties. Which would be wonderful for the Dems, since any of those candidates' views would scare the vast majority of the nation. Of course, if, by some sick joke, they won... Well, I'd move back to Canada.

The Democrats are really between a rock and a hard place for this next election. Realistically, Edwards is out. Hillary's out because she would be too polarizing and has no chance in the South. I think Obama is a real option for the Dems. Or possibly whoever replaces Tom Daschle as Senate Minority Leader. It's still too early to tell.

This is all assuming Bush doesn't attempt to extend his term/declare an emergency and postpone elections/try to outlaw elections altogether. Any of which would, I sincerely believe, spark a wave of violence the likes of which has not been seen since the Civil War.

You forget Hillary already ran this country for 8 years!!!!!

Bill only got his balls when Hillary told him to do something and he did it! Hence how he scored with Monica!!!!! Monica was his reward for doing what he was told!!!!!

Well you can take it back further.

Nancy Reagan was probably the first woman President! ;)

Of course it could be someone that we haven't heard much about. Someone that becomes well known in the next four years.

I would like Clinton (H) to go up against McCain, neither of them are too bad.

Seeing all of these posts, I'll be really interested to see what the '08 Primaries look like. Watching McCain and Juliani go head-to-head will be pretty entertaining. Personally, I'd love it if John McCain finally got his well-deserved shot at the presidency. The man really isn't a Republican in many senses of the word and the primary reason he's still with them is for the party affiliation (and hence, the money that comes with it). He'd make a great president as he's moderate enough to attract support from the moderates in both parties and be able to make our country one again.
I don't know much about Juliani's stances on things, if someone could fill these in, that would be great.

On the Democratic side, I think Hillary Clinton is the most logical choice, if only for her association with Bill. The problem is, her political views are incredibly more liberal, especially on social issues. The Republicans would easily reveal this to American people just like they did with Kerry (1st most liberal, etc) and run her over.
The other choice I'd be interested in seeing is Barack Obama, who, although new to the national political scene, could be just what the country needs: a person with fresh views and new ideas that aren't tarnished by years in Washington. I'm pretty sure people could look past the fact that he is black if he presents himself as the strongest choice.

What do you all think?

Kerry tried to hide from the label.
I'd just say oh well. Call me what you want but I'll do what is best for the Country!

Hillary would win with a 70% chance.

Actually you're wrong. Cheney has already said that he does not plan to run for the presidency in 2008. I find it much more likely that either Rudy Juliani or Sen. McCain will be the Republican candidate. Also, don't rule out Howard Dean for the Democrats.

Chuck Hagel is probably going to run as well.

If Bush and Edwards entered the White House, only one of them would leave alive. And I think it'd be Edwards, cause he's young and spry.

The Republicans would do well running McCain/Giuliani(Frist? DeLay? I dunno), but they wouldn't because McCain would alienate the Far Right and get burned in primaries. So I'm guessing they'll run Frist, DeLay, Santorum, or one of the other hard righties. Which would be wonderful for the Dems, since any of those candidates' views would scare the vast majority of the nation. Of course, if, by some sick joke, they won... Well, I'd move back to Canada.

The Democrats are really between a rock and a hard place for this next election. Realistically, Edwards is out. Hillary's out because she would be too polarizing and has no chance in the South. I think Obama is a real option for the Dems. Or possibly whoever replaces Tom Daschle as Senate Minority Leader. It's still too early to tell.

This is all assuming Bush doesn't attempt to extend his term/declare an emergency and postpone elections/try to outlaw elections altogether. Any of which would, I sincerely believe, spark a wave of violence the likes of which has not been seen since the Civil War.

First of all there is no way Republicans/Democrats pick anyone for the presidency. If you think that the party has any say in who they pick you are mistaken. As far as picking them for candidates anyone can run in the primaries. As far as being picked leave that up to people who are registered as such.
The electorate would never vote Hillary in. Thats about the only thing I agree with you on.
Why would Bush outlaw elections? Are you really serious about this or is it more fear mongering? I mean where can you find any indication for this?

alright lets go through the list...

Democrats
Dean - NO, scream has ruined him for life, except for commercials

Edwards - good chance, but yeah...he is out of a job and will need to
figure in the public eye somehow

Hillary C - most likely, though she has people in the party that love her and those that hate her

Obama - I like him, but i think his youth/inexperience will be looked at...toss up


Republicans
Cheney - No, he will be on his way to the lord...or close to it

Powell - would be good, but no way anymore

Frist - most likely, already talk about Frist v Clinton who cowrote a book together about that other clinton's heart surgery

Guiliani - possibly, but alienates alot of conservative deep south republicans who would probably go with most any of these other candidates except...

McCain - like Giuliani, except more moderate even...if he could survive the primaries where his problem lies, he could take the presidency with cross over democrats

Bush - popularity at all time high after hurricanes, helped W win florida, but i think everyone will believe that 12 years with a bush in the white house is enough

Schwarzanegger - no, if the topic of natural born president is discussed heavily people will go against it...no chance of it passing for him


out of the people i mentioned...i like Edwards/Obama v Frist, Guiliani, or McCain...probably Frist

Isn't Powell actually ethnically Jamaican, therefore rendering him ineligible to run for prez? Or am I thinking about someone else?

Powell was born in New York, making him a natural born citizen. He is eligible to run for President.

you think that the party has any say in who they pick you are mistaken. As far as picking them for candidates anyone can run in the primaries. As far as being picked leave that up to people who are registered as such.
I kinda, um, meant that. Notice how I mentioned the primaries. But good job catching that one anyways.

Why would Bush outlaw elections? Are you really serious about this or is it more fear mongering? I mean where can you find any indication for this?
The outlawing elections thing is mostly just a joke. However, I wouldn't put it past him and his administration to declare a terrorist threat and postpone/really screw around with the elections. The extending his term thing probably wouldn't get past Congress, though I do think he is capable of suggesting it.

I think the Dems best bet is to go back down to the deep south and pick out someone else like they did with Bill Clinton! As for the Republicans, I think they would probably run Jeb Bush, thus establishing a Tutor style reign. Doesn't anyone notice the errie parallel between the Bush regin and the Tutor reign?

I kinda, um, meant that. Notice how I mentioned the primaries. But good job catching that one anyways.

The outlawing elections thing is mostly just a joke. However, I wouldn't put it past him and his administration to declare a terrorist threat and postpone/really screw around with the elections. The extending his term thing probably wouldn't get past Congress, though I do think he is capable of suggesting it.

You have no back up for any of your Bush will be a dictater crap. Nice try though. I challenge you to back it up at all. Ask yourself how is this likely? Or is this just another half baked and childish conspiracy theory?

You have no back up for any of your Bush will be a dictater crap. Nice try though. I challenge you to back it up at all. Ask yourself how is this likely? Or is this just another half baked and childish conspiracy theory?
Did I ever say I had anything to back it up with? No! It's just pure speculation based on what we've seen of the man's personality. Which, by the way, is not a comforting thing. I never did say he would be a "dictater." Perhaps he'll call himself "His Supreme Texanness the Grand Cowboy George W. Bush" ;)

Of course it could be someone that we haven't heard much about. Someone that becomes well known in the next four years.
If I recall, Clinton came from pretty much out of nowhere. Of course, I was wallowing in political apathy at the time, so I could be way off.

Apparently the Democrats are thinking of running Kerry again. I don't know if this is true, but I've heard rumours ... *shifty eyes*.

Cheny is old and has two heartattacks on record. The people won't go for it.

McCain and Rudy are probably a little to liberal for the Conservative Repubs.

Hillary will make a run for it. Don't know about 2008.

I would probably vote for her just to hear the Conservatives rage about Bill being in the WhiteHouse again! :D

It would be historical. First woman and first first lady to become.....



If Hillary wins, that makes Bill the first husband or man. Which would it be?

I think the Dems best bet is to go back down to the deep south and pick out someone else like they did with Bill Clinton! As for the Republicans, I think they would probably run Jeb Bush, thus establishing a Tutor style reign. Doesn't anyone notice the errie parallel between the Bush regin and the Tutor reign?
You mean Tudor?

Well probably.

Is the Bible belt really ready for a black president?

It's an ideological difference, not a color difference. But I think Powell may be socially liberal for siome in the bible belt.

Isn't Powell actually ethnically Jamaican, therefore rendering him ineligible to run for prez? Or am I thinking about someone else?
No Powell is an American. The only one on Bush's cabinet who is ineligable is the Sec. of Transportation (I think).

Of course it could be someone that we haven't heard much about. Someone that becomes well known in the next four years.

keep your eyes open for haley barbour......well connected,ran the republican party for years..just did the get elected to gov'n deal...has lots of clout with lots of old school republican figures... he recently told us he wasnt..maybe not in 08..but the next one after that fer sure