NationStates Jolt Archive

This will be my only post on the subject until about 6 hours from now, I have to do the whole class thing.

Well, Kerry's conceded, Bush has accepted, and when the formalities of tallying Iowa are over Bush will once again be President of the United States. And predictably, America is once again the target of foreign criticism for, what? For exercising our civil rights. On November 2nd of this year, Americans left their houses in unprecedented numbers to decide the future of our country. A few hours later, it was decided by impartial tallyers that Bush had received more votes from the populance and had won more states. Then, as we have done it for 200 years, Bush was declared the winner, by a fair, free election. Yet somehow, this is wrong. This is supposedly another example of American hate, or intolerance, or stupidity, or fundamentalism. This, if my countrymen were to believe everything everyone tells us, is the end of the world. The worst decision ever. A travesty of democracy and justice. And you know what is supremely ironic about the entire situation? It's the fact that all the criticism we've received from foreign powers is PRECISELY the reason Bush won. I live in a college town, for those not from the States, that means every other car sports a Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker, often with a Redefeat/select, whatever Bush sticker in tow. Maybe every 10th car says something not negative about Bush. However, in our mock election, even though 68% of the people here identified themselves as Democrats, and less than 20% as Republicans, in our election, Kerry won by a measly 1% of the vote. Why is that? Because we're annoyed at the pompous arrogance suggesting we don't know what we're doing, and you do. Americans are nothing if not proud, and who do you think they're going to elect, the candidate who made a platform off working and capitulating with the people who mock us and our judgment, or the candidate who puts our interests first? If you can't answer that, then the election should answer it for you. My point is, NO ONE cares what you think if it is prefaced by the implicating that we don't know what we're doing. We have had one civil war in our country's history, we are the oldest representative democracy, and the only country to have never changed its Constitution. We think we're doing fine, and if you don't want to talk to us respectfully, don't expect us to treat you any better. Maybe if the rest of the world had been rational, and discussed this election reasonably, Americans would have taken your words into consideration. Grow up, and better luck in '08.

Amen, brother!

I agree with and second EVERYTHING you said in your post.

Excellent job!

This will be my only post on the subject until about 6 hours from now, I have to do the whole class thing.

Well, Kerry's conceded, Bush has accepted, and when the formalities of tallying Iowa are over Bush will once again be President of the United States. And predictably, America is once again the target of foreign criticism for, what? For exercising our civil rights. On November 2nd of this year, Americans left their houses in unprecedented numbers to decide the future of our country. A few hours later, it was decided by impartial tallyers that Bush had received more votes from the populance and had won more states. Then, as we have done it for 200 years, Bush was declared the winner, by a fair, free election. Yet somehow, this is wrong. This is supposedly another example of American hate, or intolerance, or stupidity, or fundamentalism. This, if my countrymen were to believe everything everyone tells us, is the end of the world. The worst decision ever. A travesty of democracy and justice. And you know what is supremely ironic about the entire situation? It's the fact that all the criticism we've received from foreign powers is PRECISELY the reason Bush won. I live in a college town, for those not from the States, that means every other car sports a Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker, often with a Redefeat/select, whatever Bush sticker in tow. Maybe every 10th car says something not negative about Bush. However, in our mock election, even though 68% of the people here identified themselves as Democrats, and less than 20% as Republicans, in our election, Kerry won by a measly 1% of the vote. Why is that? Because we're annoyed at the pompous arrogance suggesting we don't know what we're doing, and you do. Americans are nothing if not proud, and who do you think they're going to elect, the candidate who made a platform off working and capitulating with the people who mock us and our judgment, or the candidate who puts our interests first? If you can't answer that, then the election should answer it for you. My point is, NO ONE cares what you think if it is prefaced by the implicating that we don't know what we're doing. We have had one civil war in our country's history, we are the oldest representative democracy, and the only country to have never changed its Constitution. We think we're doing fine, and if you don't want to talk to us respectfully, don't expect us to treat you any better. Maybe if the rest of the world had been rational, and discussed this election reasonably, Americans would have taken your words into consideration. Grow up, and better luck in '08.

No no, you've got it wrong.

The rest of the world hates us because of our leaders, not because we elected them. Europe respects out right to elect bush, that dosn't mean they can't think were ingnorant dumbasses for doing so.

Maybe our negative attitude is caused by your arrogant and self-important, "holier than thou"-attitude. Never thought of that?
By attacking Iraq, Bush very very VERY clearly let all other countries know that our opinion is neither needed nor wanted, and we can stick them where the sun doesn't shine. That kind of attitude might annoy even you, oh high and mighty Free American Person who cannot let other countries affect to how you vote, but after all did just that by voting AGAINST what we tried to beg you do.

i agree whole heartedly with everything exept the bit about the changing constitution. lets not forget about the amendments. but then, that is taking it a bit literally isnt it.

I think that was well written and i agree with it, good job. other countries want us out of their business but they cant stay out of ours.

Maybe our negative attitude is caused by your arrogant and self-important, "holier than thou"-attitude. Never thought of that?
By attacking Iraq, Bush very very VERY clearly let all other countries know that our opinion is neither needed nor wanted, and we can stick them where the sun doesn't shine. That kind of attitude might annoy even you, oh high and mighty Free American Person who cannot let other countries affect to how you vote, but after all did just that by voting AGAINST what we tried to beg you do.


while a few people might of voted for that reason, most people voted because they knew who will stand up to other countries and not let them push us around.

so you can think kerry would of done a better job all you want but the fact is that bush is going to lead this country to victory in everything we do

Maybe our negative attitude is caused by your arrogant and self-important, "holier than thou"-attitude. Never thought of that?
By attacking Iraq, Bush very very VERY clearly let all other countries know that our opinion is neither needed nor wanted, and we can stick them where the sun doesn't shine. That kind of attitude might annoy even you, oh high and mighty Free American Person who cannot let other countries affect to how you vote, but after all did just that by voting AGAINST what we tried to beg you do.

i seem to remember that ous wernt the only troops to enter iraq...

while a few people might of voted for that reason, most people voted because they knew who will stand up to other countries and not let them push us around.

so you can think kerry would of done a better job all you want but the fact is that bush is going to lead this country to victory in everything we do

Victory? You call Iraq a victory? Victory for who? Al-Qaeda, most likely.

i didnt call iraq a victory yet, but it will be within the next 4 years, also a message will be sent to every other country on the face of this earth that if so much of threaten us they will be destroyed, we dont mess around with assholes

I think that was well written and i agree with it, good job. other countries want us out of their business but they cant stay out of ours.

If the rest of the world stayed entirely out of our business, we'd be bankrupt. More than a sixth of this year's budget was financed by sale of bonds, largely to Japan and China.

thats financlial business the business i was talking about was political

By attacking Iraq, Bush very very VERY clearly let all other countries know that our opinion is neither needed nor wanted, and we can stick them where the sun doesn't shine.

Would you like someone else to tell you what you should do in your life? It's amazing how people don't realize that "unilateral" actions are individual actions. Just like the individual person knows what is best for him, the individual nations also know what is best for them.

It's not suprising that the socialistic countries of Europe have a hard time comprehending individual decisions.

i didnt call iraq a victory yet, but it will be within the next 4 years, also a message will be sent to every other country on the face of this earth that if so much of threaten us they will be destroyed, we dont mess around with assholes

What happens when the world fights back and there's another 9/11?

America creates enemies in the world, then when it's attacked goes and invades countries that had nothing to do with it. That's not really a good way to make friends.

What happens when the world fights back and there's another 9/11?

we all die. something tells me that there are a few itching button fingers in the world.

a) Its funny that Americans say that the world should not mess up with their internal affairs, when they go change the goverment of a sovereign state thousands of kilometres away, which is something, if you think of it, they have done several times to protect their own selfish interests (Chile, Vietnam, anyone?)

b) As someone said, no one in Europe challenges either the position of US president, or the US constitution. Just the holder. Just as we questioned Jorg Haider in Austria, and so many leaders elected in the past.

c) "individual" actions? This is a globalized world. The economical nets that bind us, make that word seem voided. The US attacks Iraq, the price of Oil goes up, the world goes back to recession because of it, and lets say, Mr. A in non US country B loses his job. With what right did the US take a decision that screwed Mr. A life? And do you expect him to be happy?

thats financlial business the business i was talking about was political

They're connected. For example, we're fighting the Iraq war on borrowed money. If enough of the world gets irritated enough with our conduct of the war, they could stop---leaving us with an interest rate surge and either a withdrawal of our forces, deep spending cuts, or a sudden tax increase to pay for the war ourselves.

We can't tell the world to butt out of our politics when they're financing our government.

Then again, I just have to sadly laugh as another person tells me that "i vote for bush because i hate france". Gee, talk about really not knowing reasons for ellecting a president.
As the guy stated "bush will lead us to victory", good luck friend, why don´t YOU go to Iraq instead of staying comfortably numb in your house chanting "war is guuuuud"

a) Its funny that Americans say that the world should not mess up with their internal affairs, when they go change the goverment of a sovereign state thousands of kilometres away, which is something, if you think of it, they have done several times to protect their own selfish interests (Chile, Vietnam, anyone?)

b) As someone said, no one in Europe challenges either the position of US president, or the US constitution. Just the holder. Just as we questioned Jorg Haider in Austria, and so many leaders elected in the past.

c) "individual" actions? This is a globalized world. The economical nets that bind us, make that word seem voided. The US attacks Iraq, the price of Oil goes up, the world goes back to recession because of it, and lets say, Mr. A in non US country B loses his job. With what right did the US take a decision that screwed Mr. A life? And do you expect him to be happy?

I said this already, but, repeating, A LOT of "MR A" already lost their jobs in south america, because, when a key country in our economy (US) vote for an idiot, investors leave.

I strongly agree with Portu Gale. Especially at point A)

It's ok for America to stick to other peoples business, attack other countries, replace their governments and tell them what to do. But when we try to make you vote for a president that, in return for us letting you be, let's us be, then you're suddenly preaching how we shouldn't stick to your business. Thanks a lot, hypocrites.

Ah, let´s not forget that america installed dictatorships in all south american countries in the cold war, actually, please, let´s NEVER forget that my country was ruled without elections during 21 years just because america felt was right to give money and weapons to tyrants who made a lot of unecessessary loans (wich we are still trying to pay, without much success).
I´ve written this all before and I´m doing again, so americans understand that, if you are a great rich nation, you are because you stole a lot from weaker countries.
Now, all I asked, after you tortured and killed thousands of people in my country it was to vote for "peace" instead of "war" and what you did? I mean, after ending all freedom in my country, what you did? You voted "war", so yeah! Thanks a lot! Repeating again to make clear, people across south america is already losing jobs!
And sorry, I know I made a lot of typo mistakes, my english is not very good

Ah, let´s not forget that america installed dictatorships in all south american countries in the cold war, actually, please, let´s NEVER forget that my country was ruled without elections during 21 years just because america felt was right to give money and weapons to tyrants who made a lot of unecessessary loans (wich we are still trying to pay, without much success).
I´ve written this all before and I´m doing again, so americans understand that, if you are a great rich nation, you are because you stole a lot from weaker countries.
Now, all I asked, after you tortured and killed thousands of people in my country it was to vote for "peace" instead of "war" and what you did? I mean, after ending all freedom in my country, what you did? You voted "war", so yeah! Thanks a lot! Repeating again to make clear, people across south america is already losing jobs!
And sorry, I know I made a lot of typo mistakes, my english is not very good

Good post Sblargh (are you Argentine?). However I think it will fall on deaf ears as it will be said that it was for the Cold War and the victory over Communism even though the Soviet archives, that are now being opened up, have stated there was no intention to invade the west. They were having too much trouble trying to keep thier own economy alive.