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I can't help feeling that the US would be happier if it split apart - allowing the "liberal" parts to move further towards their ideals, and giving the "conservatives" the ability to move further towards theirs.

Each think that the other side is holding them back, maybe this is the solution.

The North-East and the West Coast should just join Canada.

Really I mean in most states it was only a few percentage points one way or the other

Just because Kerry won by like 5 percent so you are condemning 45 percent of the population to either leave the union or leave their homes?

Silliness

I think all of you liberals would just be alot happier in France.

If you guys are divvying up the US can I have disneyland?
I would clean all the rides everyday, honest.

I agree, the blue states should just leave and see what happens to the rest of the country. I know many conservatives here would be pissed, but they could move to Texas. It could be done with enough support over the next few decades. I think the "Old South" is holding us back anyway. Most of them would probably be keen to restart the confederacy.

Really I mean in most states it was only a few percentage points one way or the other

Just because Kerry won by like 5 percent so you are condemning 45 percent of the population to either leave the union or leave their homes?

Silliness

I don't posting a thought I had on the internet is "condemning" anyone.

The whole world should split into places where just people that believe what they believe can live, and sectionalism should occur.

I don't posting a thought I had on the internet is "condemning" anyone.
Consigning? Forcing them to accept a situation? Condemning has more than one meaning.

If we adopt your proposal your are condemning the 45% of the electorate in most states which do not agree with the slight majority in their state to live in a government by those opposed to thier votes, which is exactly what you are doing by keeping the union whole. There's no real advantage unless you also combine this with politic cleansing, forcable moving of blue voters in red states to blue states and vice versa. The whole red state/blue state thing can give the impression that all the populace of a given state supports a particular party/canidate but in truth very few of the states beat 60% voting for either canidate.

Edit. An example, Pennsylvania was one of the first states called for Kerry. Vote went 2,883,833 Kerry / 2,756, 361 Bush, a difference of under 3%, so should the 49% of the populace in Pennsylvainia who support Bush be disenfranchised by the 51% of the populace which supported Kerry?

Oh for christ's sake clonetopia you're an idiot. How many years has America existed? How many times has there been a presidential election? This one is no different, regardless if it just happens to be the first one you care about. Split apart? Honestly...

The North-East and the West Coast should just join Canada. Why, you're absolutely right!


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Wellllll.

I used to wear the "blinders of patriotism" and thought that we were one nation and everybody simply had a few quirks.

I am not so sure now. I am really wondering if we aren't 2 countries bound together by the Constitution. This election......I thought I understood the heartlands but I don't think I do. I know my relatives in Hicktown(s) USA never understood me but I thought it was just a family thing.

I am beginning to think there is a deep divison between our people.

I don't think it will get solved anytime soon.

Especially when the shrub says

"The campaign over, Americans are expecting a bipartisan effort and results. I will reach out to every one who shares our goals"

What is that? If you are the 51 % that voted for me, I am reaching out. If you the other 48% F off! As long as you vote for what we want?....

I don't know.

Read a history book. Inner-city coastal people and what you labeled "hick-town" (you know...St. Louis, Kansas City, Dallas, Houston...real small places...) normally always vote differently, especially regarding moral issues.

What is that? If you are the 51 % that voted for me, I am reaching out. If you the other 48% F off! As long as you vote for what we want?....
I don't know.


No president has ever won an election by achieving everyone's vote. That being said, clinton never got above 50

Really I mean in most states it was only a few percentage points one way or the other

Just because Kerry won by like 5 percent so you are condemning 45 percent of the population to either leave the union or leave their homes?

Silliness

Not to be too nitpicky or anything, but Kerry didn't win by like 5 percent. Bush did. :D

And if people want to leave the US because Bush got reelected, then that's fine. I severely doubt you'll ever get a state to agree to secede though.

No president has ever won an election by achieving everyone's vote. That being said, clinton never got above 50

I wasn't suggesting winning elections.

I meant that he will reach only to the people that voted for him.....

Read a history book. Inner-city coastal people and what you labeled "hick-town" (you know...St. Louis, Kansas City, Dallas, Houston...real small places...) normally always vote differently, especially regarding moral issues.

Well costal was a bad choice. Should of been west cost and New England.

However, the people haven't always voted only for Religious reasons in the past. There wouldn't be the seperation clause if that happened.

One poll said that 80% of Shrub voters voted for "morality" reasons(ie gay marriage).

An independent South would be fine by me.

An independent South would be fine by me.

Why?

The South lost the Civil war but aren't they running things now?

I think all of you liberals would just be alot happier in France.

Get over your bigotry towards France. They aren't really all that liberal. They're even more anti-immigration than *gasp* the U.S, and they aren't much for religious freedom.

I am beginning to think there is a deep divison between our people.

I don't think it will get solved anytime soon.


All countries are divided. You will never have consensus. There will always be various shades of conservatives versus various shades of liberals...the world views of the two are fundamentally at odds. Who is in power at any given moment will depend on which position is more attractive at that moment, yet the pendulum will never quit swinging back and forth. Do not despair.

Why?

The South lost the Civil war but aren't they running things now?

I don't believe we will ever see a return to limited government as long as the North and the Pacific Coast are included in our country.

Works for me ;)

I agree, the blue states should just leave and see what happens to the rest of the country. I know many conservatives here would be pissed, but they could move to Texas. It could be done with enough support over the next few decades. I think the "Old South" is holding us back anyway. Most of them would probably be keen to restart the confederacy.

I couldn't agree more. The Conservatives are sick and tired of the craddle-to-grave society that these Liberals(Socialists) want. We'd be happy to see you go!!! You could milk off each other rather than sucking us dry. You could call your new country SSA for Socialist States of America. The conservatives, or "Old South" as you identify them, would continue with the United States of America. After all, you're the ones who constantly identify these special minorities... African Americans (aka Continental Africans by the snobs), Native Americans, Hispanic Americans, Mexican Americans, Cuban Americans, Gay Americans, Blacks, Reds, Whites, Pinks, Blues, etc, etc.... You wouldn't deserve the term "UNITED".

I don't believe we will ever see a return to limited government as long as the North and the Pacific Coast are included in our country.

Ahhh Liberterian are we?

People would probably be more accepting of limited goverment if they saw big crimes(ie Enron, Savings and Loan) getting hard punishment.

People aren't too dumb. Limited Goverment means less taxes. However, if they feel companies, etc. are going to screw them, they will want the goverment around.

I couldn't agree more. The Conservatives are sick and tired of the craddle-to-grave society that these Liberals(Socialists) want. We'd be happy to see you go!!! You could milk off each other rather than sucking us dry. You could call your new country SSA for Socialist States of America. The conservatives, or "Old South" as you identify them, would continue with the United States of America. After all, you're the ones who constantly identify these special minorities... African Americans (aka Continental Africans by the snobs), Native Americans, Hispanic Americans, Mexican Americans, Cuban Americans, Gay Americans, Blacks, Reds, Whites, Pinks, Blues, etc, etc.... You wouldn't deserve the term "UNITED".


Hmmm and yet Farm subsities, etc, never seem to be refused. But that is different right?

I don't posting a thought I had on the internet is "condemning" anyone.


I meant condemning more as exiling them … forcing them … lol I am tired not eloquent

...Maryland wasn't on the United States of Canada map! Please, don't leave me with them! Don't abandon me! I don't like country music!

Oh please. Morals and Gay marriage 80%?

Get a clue. Every single poll in the past said the people's biggest issues were the economy, war in iraq, and war on terrorism. They don't want to admit that Kerry lost because he ran a terrible campaign and that people actually like George W. Bush. Also by doing this, they create a fear in a large portion of Americans that "Oh no! George Bush is going to ban gay marriage. What other civil rights is he going to decide, rather than let the people decide?" it's an anti-bush Media (except Fox which is why it's so damn popular).

However it's good to have two sides, even if they're so evenly divided. People who don't support Bush have switched to be democrats and democrats who don't like the way the party manages itself anymore move to republican or independent. That way we don't end up like other countries where there's only one party in power even though there's a good portion of the population completely unrepresented.

this country is far less divided than the media and politicians would leave the masses to believe. we share so much more that the issues that divide us. i voted for kerry, but the issues that are important to me are also important to people that voted for bush.

Why, you're absolutely right!


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II’ll take "Jesusland" over all the moral relativism, sedition, and Marxist crappola going on in the remainder of your North America.

Keep deluding yourself, you'll be the minority party for a generation

I couldn't agree more. The Conservatives are sick and tired of the craddle-to-grave society that these Liberals(Socialists) want. We'd be happy to see you go!!! You could milk off each other rather than sucking us dry. You could call your new country SSA for Socialist States of America. The conservatives, or "Old South" as you identify them, would continue with the United States of America. After all, you're the ones who constantly identify these special minorities... African Americans (aka Continental Africans by the snobs), Native Americans, Hispanic Americans, Mexican Americans, Cuban Americans, Gay Americans, Blacks, Reds, Whites, Pinks, Blues, etc, etc.... You wouldn't deserve the term "UNITED".

That makes 3 of us :cool:

Yes, I've heard this before.

All countries are divided. You will never have consensus. There will always be various shades of conservatives versus various shades of liberals...the world views of the two are fundamentally at odds. Who is in power at any given moment will depend on which position is more attractive at that moment, yet the pendulum will never quit swinging back and forth. Do not despair.

Very correct …
how do you think conservatives saw the last 60 years overall heavily democrat government … you are just experiencing what they did for some part

Thinks will be this way for awhile … both the parties will change over the years and things will swing one way or another

Really will balance out

I couldn't agree more. The Conservatives are sick and tired of the craddle-to-grave society that these Liberals(Socialists) want. We'd be happy to see you go!!! You could milk off each other rather than sucking us dry. You could call your new country SSA for Socialist States of America. The conservatives, or "Old South" as you identify them, would continue with the United States of America. After all, you're the ones who constantly identify these special minorities... African Americans (aka Continental Africans by the snobs), Native Americans, Hispanic Americans, Mexican Americans, Cuban Americans, Gay Americans, Blacks, Reds, Whites, Pinks, Blues, etc, etc.... You wouldn't deserve the term "UNITED".
Damn your a biggot. That is my interpretation of that post.

Well costal was a bad choice. Should of been west cost and New England.

However, the people haven't always voted only for Religious reasons in the past. There wouldn't be the seperation clause if that happened.

One poll said that 80% of Shrub voters voted for "morality" reasons(ie gay marriage).

No...coastal was a good choice. West coast and New England are "coastal". Now if you're going to say "south carolina" is on the coast...well...obviously that is considered a "southern" state.

Also, I never said that people always vote for Religious reasons. In fact I used the word "moral" which is quite different. Obviously many factors contribute to why a person votes a certain way...however this past election's exit polls show that many people considered their moral views most important when they voted this time.

In addition, when 11 out of 11 states, even some being "blue states" vote again gay marriage, a mandate has been issued.

Don't any of you guys understand? The fact that we are such a divided country is what makes America so great. Some people have a pure hatred for the ideals of the other side, yet everyday these people work with others, interact with others, socialize and love people whose ideals they have utter distain for. The fact that our country not only survives but thrives is what makes America so great. We can all have our own opinions yet we can still all be friends at the end of the day. This is something that most people outside of America can't truly understand because no one can understand this without being exposed to it. Outside of a few fringe groups, virtually no one in the U.S. is going out and trying to cause bodily harm to those on the other side of the fence. The understanding of each other is how our country has survived for this long and it is why no one can or will ever bring us down.

But yeah, if Los Angeles were to sink into the ocean tomorrow, I think I could live with it.

II’ll take "Jesusland" over all the moral relativism, sedition, and Marxist crappola going on in the remainder of your North America.

Keep deluding yourself, you'll be the minority party for a generation

Bush won by about 1.2% of the population. They aren't the minority by much.

Can someone edit the map so that Maryland isn't in Jesusland. I don't want to marry my cousin. I want to be free!

Oh for christ's sake clonetopia you're an idiot. How many years has America existed? How many times has there been a presidential election? This one is no different, regardless if it just happens to be the first one you care about. Split apart? Honestly...

I don't care, actually. I posted this because a lot of people who live in America seem to care a great deal. If you think the idea is stupid, fine. I wasn't aware that making a thread on the internet that exaggerated the views of Americans made me an idiot though. I'll keep that in mind though.

II’ll take "Jesusland" over all the moral relativism, sedition, and Marxist crappola going on in the remainder of your North America.

Keep deluding yourself, you'll be the minority party for a generation

I myself would rather remain in the enlightened minority rather than join a majority held hostage by Southerns who think the answer to every problem is more guns or more Jesus.

Can someone edit the map so that Maryland isn't in Jesusland. I don't want to marry my cousin. I want to be free!

I can see Maryland as part of the United States of Canada. Look right underneath Pennsylvania is. That southern border should be straight if Maryland was part of Jesusland, but it's all jagged. That's Maryland.

I meant condemning more as exiling them … forcing them … lol I am tired not eloquent

I understood the use of "condemning", but I only posted a random thought on the internet. If Americans actually did it, it would be they who condemned, not I.

I can see Maryland as part of the United States of Canada. Look right underneath Pennsylvania is. That southern border should be straight if Maryland was part of Jesusland, but it's all jagged. That's Maryland.
Maryland is more south than the current border of the USC. Maryland is at about the longitude of that weird bumpy spot.

For those who called me an idiot, or otherwise got worked up, here is an example of a sensible reply:

this country is far less divided than the media and politicians would leave the masses to believe. we share so much more that the issues that divide us. i voted for kerry, but the issues that are important to me are also important to people that voted for bush.

Bush won by about 1.2% of the population. They aren't the minority by much.

Bush won by about 3.5 million people out of however many people voted. If you don't vote, you don't count...and you don't complain. Simple.

Maryland is more south than the current border of the USC. Maryland is at about the longitude of that weird bumpy spot.

I'm telling you, Maryland is part of the pink. That weird bumpy spot has to be Maryland. What else could it be? Pennsylvania has a straight southern border.

Bush won by about 3.5 million people out of however many people voted. If you don't vote, you don't count...and you don't complain. Simple.

The contention that if you don't vote then you don't count is completely assinine. I can not vote and still complain all I fucking want and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it whatsoever. If people who don't vote don't count, then they shouldn't have to pay taxes.

That all non-withstanding, Bush won the election by about 3.5% of the voting population. Still not a huge majority.

Damn your a biggot. That is my interpretation of that post.

OH... I'm a "biggot" because I only see Americans as AMERICANS. That makes a lot of sense. Soon, you Marxist wackos will be going after fat-Americans, skinny-Americans, fit-Americans, blonde-Americans, and on and on.... You couldn't be anymore divisive!

I'm telling you, Maryland is part of the pink. That weird bumpy spot has to be Maryland. What else could it be? Pennsylvania has a straight southern border.
Ok, but Maryland is at a lower longitude than how it is displayed on the map.

OH... I'm a "biggot" because I only see Americans as AMERICANS. That makes a lot of sense. Soon, you Marxist wackos will be going after fat-Americans, skinny-Americans, fit-Americans, blonde-Americans, and on and on.... You couldn't be anymore divisive!
I said thats how I interpreted your post. You said that we could have all of the (listed minorities) as if they were luggage. Maybe its just the way I thought you wrote it.

... If people who don't vote don't count, then they shouldn't have to pay taxes...

Nor should the get the benifits of being a citizen ... no mail ... no public transit ... no social security ... no loans from fedral credit unions ... no poliece protection ... no help on ambulance transport ... no subzidised healthcare ... no fire protection ... (and the list could go on forever)

Nor should the get the benifits of being a citizen ... no mail ... no public transit ... no social security ... no loans from fedral credit unions ... no poliece protection ... no help on ambulance transport ... no subzidised healthcare ... no fire protection ... (and the list could go on forever)
agreed

if there is a split up of the USA (which there won't be) the remaining USA can't afford to lose california which alone as a nation could easily have the 5 th largest economy

Nor should the get the benifits of being a citizen ... no mail ... no public transit ... no social security ... no loans from fedral credit unions ... no poliece protection ... no help on ambulance transport ... no subzidised healthcare ... no fire protection ... (and the list could go on forever)

I don't disagree with this. But not voting does not make you not count in this nation.

if there is a split up of the USA (which there won't be) the remaining USA can't afford to lose california which alone as a nation could easily have the 5 th largest economy
I know, The United States of Canada would totally rule. You can't have an economy based solely on agriculture in this day and age. Technology is the way to rule the economy now-a-days.

mmm... waht's californiâ's main industry anyway? computer chips?

Yes, all 50 pieces and its providencies too.

mmm... waht's californiâ's main industry anyway? computer chips?

Agriculture, tourism, technology, entertainment, manufacturing, etc. etc.

They weren't lying when they said previously that California by itself would have the 5th largest economy in the world.

I said thats how I interpreted your post. You said that we could have all of the (listed minorities) as if they were luggage. Maybe its just the way I thought you wrote it.

No... I didn't say anything like you "could have all of the..." I just said that the Democrats (Modern Socialists) are the ones who identify people by some segregationist/divisive characteristic such as skin color, heritage, sexual proclivaties, socio-economic status, etc.... The Conservatives see all Americans as Americans. That's a BIG DIFFERENCE!

I don't disagree with this. But not voting does not make you not count in this nation.


I agree that your opinion counts but in the case of tabulation.

You are saying he won by only so many percent of total voters out there.
But that is just a tactic used to marginalize it … it is valid but doesn’t project the correct bias (sorry stats major)


He won by a fairly large margin of total VOTERS not total REGISTERED voters … they don’t happen to count on margin error because they are considered a non entity when tabulating the outcome


This is why people say that statistics can be made to prove anything … they really can.

But when you predict confidence levels onto the whole group really it is statistical marginal.

I agree that your opinion counts but in the case of tabulation.

You are saying he won by only so many percent of total voters out there.
But that is just a tactic used to marginalize it … it is valid but doesn’t project the correct bias (sorry stats major)


He won by a fairly large margin of total VOTERS not total REGISTERED voters … they don’t happen to count on margin error because they are considered a non entity when tabulating the outcome


This is why people say that statistics can be made to prove anything … they really can.

But when you predict confidence levels onto the whole group really it is statistical marginal.

Right, but my original point was to contend the assertation that Bush won this election by a huge margin because he won by 3.5 million votes, and the presumption that this gives him some mandate to act on behalf of "the people". He earned 27.1% of votes from voting-age Americans. That is not a mandate for anything. And even if you only count the margin of victory compared to votes, he only won by about 3%. That is not a fairly large margin by any measurement.

I always thought california was on their own in the US. But there is NO WAY the US would ever let go of California. It would try to declare it's independance, then the US would just take it over again.

I don't think the nation is divided.

Americans are Americans no matter who the president is. It was not too long ago everone wanted to be best friends there. It's only been lately. I think some of it has to do with the election. Some people wanted Kerry in office to get rid of Bush, not because of his qualifications as a president. Some people wanted to keep Bush simply for the fact that they KNOW Kerry wouldn't do too much better. And situations like that cause a lor of confusion, and confusion can lead to division sometimes, just like in Highschool.

mmm... waht's californiâ's main industry anyway? computer chips?
according to the US Department of Labor website, California's main money bringers are:

1) Trade, Transportation, and Utility
2) Government
3) Professional and Buisness Services
4) Manufacturing
5) Leisure and Hospitality

Mining and Natural Resources (which includes agriculture) is 11th

The "under God" part is controvercial, but, imo, it is the next word in the pledge of allegiance (indivisible) that is a load of crap. The last two elections for the White House show just how "indivisible" the United States are: 0, goose egg.

If you split up the US into the liberal side and the conservative side, you'd have 2 countries that didn't work.... We need eachother to moderate ourselves. I wouldn't want to live in either Jesusland or the united states of canada, beacause one completely lacks compassion and one has no standard of basic morality. But I will live in the US (when I go back for college) because these two parties make up for eachother, and we get a less radical society, which I think we all can agree makes a bit more sense.

At times I wish the damn country would just split into liberal and conservative halves. I'd laugh as the conservative half tore itself apart.

At times I wish the damn country would just split into liberal and conservative halves. I'd laugh as the conservative half tore itself apart.
The president of "Jesusland" would be called "The Big Cheese"
The main economy would be gun manufacturing and the farming of propaganda
Schools would teach the bible. Darwin will be disregarded
Cars would run on fear and lots of oil
Bingo night is thursday

At times I wish the damn country would just split into liberal and conservative halves. I'd laugh as the conservative half tore itself apart.


So would I, I'd laugh long and hard. The best way to fix America would be to divide. After the poor economy that Jesusland suffers, they would come crawling back to us, pleading for Social Healthcare, Welfare, and Protectionism. Liberals hold the states that have the best economies. Our higher educations and lack of incest lead to a more successful population. And because we have this success, we are good natured enough to let others have it too. Including the southern white trash who say that they hate it so much! :D

So would I, I'd laugh long and hard. The best way to fix America would be to divide. After the poor economy that Jesusland suffers, they would come crawling back to us, pleading for Social Healthcare, Welfare, and Protectionism. Liberals hold the states that have the best economies. Our higher educations and lack of incest lead to a more successful population. And because we have this success, we are good natured enough to let others have it too. Including the southern white trash who say that they hate it so much! :D
lol, its so true

Can someone edit the map so that Maryland isn't in Jesusland. I don't want to marry my cousin. I want to be free!

Just move to Kentucky....

No...coastal was a good choice. West coast and New England are "coastal". Now if you're going to say "south carolina" is on the coast...well...obviously that is considered a "southern" state.

Also, I never said that people always vote for Religious reasons. In fact I used the word "moral" which is quite different. Obviously many factors contribute to why a person votes a certain way...however this past election's exit polls show that many people considered their moral views most important when they voted this time.

In addition, when 11 out of 11 states, even some being "blue states" vote again gay marriage, a mandate has been issued.

Well you don't have me conviced and it begs the question.

If California and Mass had not done the gay marriage thing, would the Republicans have been able to get the evanglistas out to vote?

The gay marriage issue was a large factor in the Shrubs victory.

*puts up hand*

Excuse me, but since the map in question showed the liberal states joining Canada, what makes you think that the 'United States of Canada' would be unsuccessful? Canada has done fairly well so far.

I would say that the liberal country would more likely fail... big business would tend toward the conservative state, where there are less taxes. Big business = big money. What jobs would there be in the ultra liberal country?

*cough*

I repeat my post above. Canada is far more liberal than the US, but is still economically successful.

Just move to Kentucky....
No, I said that I DON'T want to marry my cousin.

I can't help feeling that the US would be happier if it split apart - allowing the "liberal" parts to move further towards their ideals, and giving the "conservatives" the ability to move further towards theirs.

Each think that the other side is holding them back, maybe this is the solution.
I swear, the left is full of pussies. You never heard such whining coming from the right when Clinton won. There was no talk of secession. If the right can put up with 8 years old Clinton then the left can put up with 8 years of Bush.

I swear, the left is full of pussies. You never heard such whining coming from the right when Clinton won. There was no talk of secession. If the right can put up with 8 years old Clinton then the left can put up with 8 years of Bush.
Thats cause clinton won legitimately.

I swear, the left is full of pussies. You never heard such whining coming from the right when Clinton won. There was no talk of secession. If the right can put up with 8 years old Clinton then the left can put up with 8 years of Bush.Clinton was moderate left, and had a Congress of the opposite party. Bush is far right, and has a Congress controlled by the same party. Pretty easy to see some stricking differences there.

Clinton killed way less people than Bush and his party didn't run all three branches of government. America is as divided as it was during the late 60's. Just imagine if the "liberal" states had left back then. The south would probably still segregate based on race.

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If there is, then it just proves that the Democratic System is just plain Fu**ed up and ALL AMERICANS ARE WRONG. It will prove our founding Fathers were Jerking Off when they had an idea for a Nation where it's citizens can vote who they want in office. It will prove that King George of England was right and that we cannot Govern ourselves. It will prove that all our brave soldiers who died for our country were idiots, morons and retards. It will prove that you don't care who won... but the fact that the guy you voted for LOST. Kerry asks for everyone to put aside their differences and once more support President Bush and you people still ignore him... what if he became President... Will you still ignore him?

Bush wins by a small margin in 2000... Bitch and Moan... Bush wins by a big margin in 2004... Bitch and Moan.

I would say that the liberal country would more likely fail... big business would tend toward the conservative state, where there are less taxes. Big business = big money. What jobs would there be in the ultra liberal country?


Incorrect. As has been stated, California has the 5th strongest economy in the world. New York has a huge economy. Truth be told, a significant chunk of the money that comes out of the north east and California goes to pay for federal programs in other states, including farm subsidies, highway and road maintanence, schools, fire departments, police departments, the list goes on. If the blue states left, the economy of what remained would be fairly well crippled...if they joined canada, canada would rather quickly take the USA's place as the worlds superpower.

I think that we should all form our own seperate nation where noone who disagrees with us in the slightest should be allowed to exist. we could have an endless array of one person nations and all be extremely happy. Right?
A slight side-bar to this, don't you love how thw Left is all for inclusion and tolerance... as long as you agree with thier every word.

I think that we should all form our own seperate nation where noone who disagrees with us in the slightest should be allowed to exist. we could have an endless array of one person nations and all be extremely happy. Right?
A slight side-bar to this, don't you love how thw Left is all for inclusion and tolerance... as long as you agree with thier every word.

Correction, the left is all for inclusion and tolerance as long as an agenda of INtolerance is not pushed on them. They obviously cannot be TOLERANT of an agenda which COMPLETELY opposes the things they ostensably stand for now can they? If the people pushing such an agenda were to give up on it, they might find the left a lot more inclusive and tolerant toward them.


PS: This is brought up as though its some hugely profound point in EVERY thread where it turns to left vs right, its no more profound or accurate now than it is in those threads.

Correction, the left is all for inclusion and tolerance as long as an agenda of INtolerance is not pushed on them. They obviously cannot be TOLERANT of an agenda which COMPLETELY opposes the things they ostensably stand for now can they? If the people pushing such an agenda were to give up on it, they might find the left a lot more inclusive and tolerant toward them.


PS: This is brought up as though its some hugely profound point in EVERY thread where it turns to left vs right, its no more profound or accurate now than it is in those threads.
Excuse me for being unoriginal but, it seems a consistant trend that the Left tolerates everyone who agrees with them and noone who doesn't. That, as far as I have seen, is fact. You just said it for yourself, agree with me and you'll find me much more tolerant, right?

Excuse me for being unoriginal but, it seems a consistant trend that the Left tolerates everyone who agrees with them and noone who doesn't. That, as far as I have seen, is fact. You just said it for yourself, agree with me and you'll find me much more tolerant, right?


No..what i said was when people push an agenda of INtolerance, if you are PRO tolerance you need to resist it. No one reasonable on the left (there are more of us than you think) gives a good goddamn whether you personally hate another ethnicity/sexuality/political group/what have you. But as soon as you try to force EVERYONE to abide by your intolerance (via bans on gay marriage, slams or attacks on religions other than your own, or pushing of one religion over the other, oppression or discrimination toward minorities in the workplace or legislature) by virtue of being a political body devoted to the ideal of TOLERANCE, you must be opposed. Tolerance isnt bend over and take it cause otherwise you're being Intolerant.

No..what i said was when people push an agenda of INtolerance, if you are PRO tolerance you need to resist it. No one reasonable on the left (there are more of us than you think) gives a good goddamn whether you personally hate another ethnicity/sexuality/political group/what have you. But as soon as you try to force EVERYONE to abide by your intolerance (via bans on gay marriage, slams or attacks on religions other than your own, or pushing of one religion over the other, oppression or discrimination toward minorities in the workplace or legislature) by virtue of being a political body devoted to the ideal of TOLERANCE, you must be opposed. Tolerance isnt bend over and take it cause otherwise you're being Intolerant.
You just contradicted yourself... again.

You just contradicted yourself... again.

Really? Where?

Edit: Just let me add that i feel you're confusing Tolerant with All Accepting. Theres a difference between those two things.

You just contradicted yourself... again.

heres the gist of it.a tolerant person will let you be an intolerant SOB,he may not like you but he respects your right to think and live.but the moment you attempt to enforce that intolerance the tolerant person must act.its not a contradiction,intolerant people just think because you dont have rigidly set belief pattern that you kill anyone who disaggrees with your weak or a hypocrit.