NationStates Jolt Archive

Okay, right now I live in southern Virginia. It's very conservative. I'm about to go to eastern NC for school. Also conservative, but not as.

After school I wanna go to a socially liberal state, so please post your top 10 lists of socially liberal states, and tell me why they are that way if you can.

I think it would be

Oregon
Washington
California
New York
New Mexico
Maryland
Massachussetts
Connecticut
New Hampshire
Vermont

New Mexico seems out of place in that list since they voted Republicrap.

New Mexico seems out of place in that list since they voted Republicrap.


But Santa Fe is known as one of the gayest, artsy, liberal cities in the US.

It comes and goes.

Okay, right now I live in southern Virginia. It's very conservative. I'm about to go to eastern NC for school. Also conservative, but not as.

After school I wanna go to a socially liberal state, so please post your top 10 lists of socially liberal states, and tell me why they are that way if you can.

I think it would be

Oregon
Washington
California
New York
New Mexico
Maryland
Massachussetts
Connecticut
New Hampshire
Vermont

I live in Oregon and overall the state is conservative. There are threemajor areas of overexuberent liberalism: Portland (issued a few gay marriages in multnomah county), Corvallis (part of Benton county, probably one of theeeee most liberal counties in America, Eugene( very liberal)
Good luck!

Doesn't Califonria and Mass fall under the Duh categories and need no explanation? ;)

I live in Maryland. We have always voted Liberal in the presidental elections and the only reason we have a conservative governor now is because the liberal one really sucked. A republican governor will probally never happen again in Maryland.

If you are judging New Mexico on Santa Fe, you may also consider including Georgia. Sure most of the state is as liberal as Wyoming, but Atlanta has the largest gay community in the country, and is about 70-30 democrat to republican.

To bad the rest of the state keeps running the city's business.

Hawaii

Hawaii

Oh yeah! I can't believe I forgot that one!

BTW, anyone know if Deleware is liberal?

I'm a Libertarian, so I hear the best places for me are actually Southeast Texas, New Hampshire and Vermont.

I live in Maryland. We have always voted Liberal in the presidental elections and the only reason we have a conservative governor now is because the liberal one really sucked. A republican governor will probally never happen again in Maryland.
No, you are partially wrong. I have the misfortune of living in Maryland, for now, and the only truly 'liberal' area of the state is the rectum between Baltimore and D.C. The rest of the state is different overall. There is even some part of the Eastern Shore that wanted/wants to secede from the rest of the state. I'll happily go with them or anybody in western Md. that will do the same thing.

The main reason that 'liberal' governors and presidents have been voted for by Md. is because of the D.C. suburbs in Montgomery Co. and P.G. Co., and Baltimore and it's immediate surrounding area.

I'm a Libertarian, so I hear the best places for me are actually Southeast Texas, New Hampshire and Vermont.

If only SE Texas weren't connected to the rest of the state, and NH and Vermont weren't ball-knocking cold.

No, you are partially wrong. I have the misfortune of living in Maryland, for now, and the only truly 'liberal' area of the state is the rectum between Baltimore and D.C. The rest of the state is different overall. There is even some part of the Eastern Shore that wanted/wants to secede from the rest of the state. I'll happily go with them or anybody in western Md. that will do the same thing.

The main reason that 'liberal' governors and presidents have been voted for by Md. is because of the D.C. suburbs in Montgomery Co. and P.G. Co., and Baltimore and it's immediate surrounding area.
Yes, but Maryland always goes Liberal because there is a much higher amount of voters between DC and Baltimore. There are only a few counties in that area, but that is where the vast amount of votes in Maryland are cast.

Massachusetts, but don't ask me how we ended up with a Mormon for governor.

Yes, but Maryland always goes Liberal because there is a much higher amount of voters between DC and Baltimore. There are only a few counties in that area, but that is where the vast amount of votes in Maryland are cast.
Yes, and that is sort of the point; a few counties that are much higher in population decide the course of the rest of the entire state. That's pretty much what I meant. ;)

Yes, and have you ever noticed that those states are also the most expensive to live in? Is there a coorelation in there somewhere? I think there is.

Yes, and have you ever noticed that those states are also the most expensive to live in? Is there a coorelation in there somewhere? I think there is.

That Republicans are poorer?

Yes, and have you ever noticed that those states are also the most expensive to live in? Is there a coorelation in there somewhere? I think there is.
That a ranch is a one time payment, while an apartment has monthly payments. "Blue States" also are, in general, more urban than "Red States", and it costs more to live in a city than the rural country. Anyhow, I would much rather pay more to live in a "Blue State" than to live in a "Red State".

Yes, and that is sort of the point; a few counties that are much higher in population decide the course of the rest of the entire state. That's pretty much what I meant. ;)

That's why they decide the course of the rest of the state; because more of the state lives in those few counties. Greater geographic area isn't really a factor.

Yes, and have you ever noticed that those states are also the most expensive to live in? Is there a coorelation in there somewhere? I think there is.
Much higher taxes to fund all their social programs? The rich, liberals make themselves feel better by throwing money at a problem at the expense of the Middle Class and Blue Collar. Plus, Maryland rental costs and real estate are so expensive in certain areas that it's nearly impossible to live. That's because all the landlords and developers still need to stick it to somebody to make money, and all the while supporting their liberal habits.

no arguing with what's been said.

That Republicans are poorer?
no, that republicans know how to make their states work for the people.

That's why they decide the course of the rest of the state; because more of the state lives in those few counties. Greater geographic area isn't really a factor.
There are still plenty of people who live in the other counties who aren't able to have their voices heard because of an Urban monopoly. The reason there is an Urban monopoly is because they basically try to ignore the rest of the state in development and/or listening to their needs, so more people have to move there to have a 'good' job and they are overwhelmed by the Urban voters. It's like a tyranny by a very small majority and nothing is done to balance it because it feeds itself by being the only place with any influence.

Is Pheonix or Tucson Arizona a good place for Libertarians? McCain is basically one, so I was just wondering.

If you are thinking of New York, it's important to note that the city is what gives whatever Democrat is running for President all our electoral votes. Upstate is very Republican, with the exception of some of the bigger cities (Buffalo, maybe Rochester). However, Buffalo and Rochester aren't flamingly liberal.

My county and a lot of surrounding counties overwhelmingly favored Bush in this week's election (I think my county had 65% of the vote for him or something).

So if you're thinking New York, and you want lots of liberal friends, stay downstate. Politically, the rest of us really deserve to be another state altogether.

There are still plenty of people who live in the other counties who aren't able to have their voices heard because of an Urban monopoly. The reason there is an Urban monopoly is because they basically try to ignore the rest of the state in development and/or listening to their needs, so more people have to move there to have a 'good' job and they are overwhelmed by the Urban voters. It's like a tyranny by a very small majority and nothing is done to balance it because it feeds itself by being the only place with any influence.

But it's the majority all the same. It's the exact same thing that happened in the national election in reverse.

no, that republicans know how to make their states work for the people.

Ah, that must be what it is.

But it's the majority all the same. It's the exact same thing that happened in the national election in reverse.
Yes, but a majority that is nearly enforced in some ways. Like I said, nearly every liberal here is wealthy with true influence to decide the patterns of voting. This is why many of the states should be broken up if certain areas of a state decide they no longer 'belong' with the rest, but whatever.......

Yes, but a majority that is nearly enforced in some ways. Like I said, nearly every liberal here is wealthy with true influence to decide the patterns of voting. This is why many of the states should be broken up if certain areas of a state decide they no longer 'belong' with the rest, but whatever.......

Do you know what kind of fractioning that would create?

Do you know what kind of fractioning that would create?
So what? I would much rather have fractioning than having to live in the same state owned by people I'm wholly opposed to. But, I may be able to leave this place before too much longer anyway. I just feel sorry for the rest of the state that is controlled by the dirty corridor in the metropolitan areas of two of the worst cities in the country.

And, besides, there are plenty of the very liberal that have said they want to move to Canada to get away from all the conservatives and Bush. So, they are factionalizing in their own right. Not fractionalizing, but factionalizing.

So what? I would much rather have fractioning than having to live in the same state owned by people I'm wholly opposed to. But, I may be able to leave this place before too much longer anyway. I just feel sorry for the rest of the state that is controlled by the dirty corridor in the metropolitan areas of two of the worst cities in the country.

And, besides, there are plenty of the very liberal that have said they want to move to Canada to get away from all the conservatives and Bush. So, they are factionalizing in their own right. Not fractionalizing, but factionalizing.

So what about the people up the street from you that voted for Kerry? Can they split away from the rest of the state that is splitting away from the "dirty corridor"? The last thing this nation needs is to further identify ourselves as divided.

So what about the people up the street from you that voted for Kerry? Can they split away from the rest of the state that is splitting away from the "dirty corridor"? The last thing this nation needs is to further identify ourselves as divided.
I'm not worried in the least about division. There are places in this nation that ceased to be part of the greater whole a long time ago, so they may as well be another country already.

What makes you think I preferred to vote for Bush? I would have liked a much better choice, but there was no way in hell I was going to vote for Kerry. That's what it comes down to. So long.

I'm not worried in the least about division. There are places in this nation that ceased to be part of the greater whole a long time ago, so they may as well be another country already.

What makes you think I preferred to vote for Bush? I would have liked a much better choice, but there was no way in hell I was going to vote for Kerry. That's what it comes down to. So long.
As long as Maryland is not in the Conservative Nation ("Jesusland"), i'm ok with it too.