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To my friends, family, and others - before the election - I predicted that the division in the United States would be so great, no matter who wins (especially Bush), there would be a civil war (I'm not claiming to be psychic, I just think that that would happen). Bush won and I heard on the news that several groups were planing demonstrations. Demonstrations can turn to riots, which could turn to civil war, which in the United States could turn to World War 3. So, my question to you is:

Do you think violence will come out of the Bush victory?

P.S. If any mod could fix the error in the poll question to add the word you, please do.

I don't think so. I think in his second term Bush will be worried about his legacy. He will be probably be mostly cleaning up the mess of his first term (hopefully dropping the Neo-Cons) and trying to reach out more to all sides.

Oh and welcome back Nanakaland!

Everyone is calming down already as the television lulls us all back to sleep.
But with the way the government and media is handling each election in such
a negative way, I swear it may come down to a revolute.

Hell, we go to riots when sports teams lose,
when the police beat down a black man,
and even when the power goes out.

There may also be another terrorist attack on the United States
within the next four years, but it isn't because GW is in office. Terrorism
has been rampant throughout the world for a very long time. The 9/11
attacks were the largest catastrophy America has faced with terrorism,
but it wasn't the first.

Civil war? Nah.

Nah.. it will just become an even more surreal place :p

Of course there won't be violence, that's an absurd overreaction.

I tell ya, I was nervous as hell yesterday that some announcement that we all had to be christians would be made, but now I think that Bush's second term may well be better than his first. He may get more European allies and the Iraq war may end.

A Bush victory will lead to violence.


So would a Kerry victory. Or a Badarnik victory, or a Nader victory. There's always gonna be violence somewhere, and POTUS will often be blamed.

Civil war? Nah.

I don't think so. I think in his second term Bush will be worried about his legacy. He will be probably be mostly cleaning up the mess of his first term (hopefully dropping the Neo-Cons) and trying to reach out more to all sides.

Oh and welcome back Nanakaland!

I think the opposite will be true. I feel GWB will be even more bold with his policy now that he doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected. If the Democrats leave big hints that they're going to run Hillary in 08, he won't even have to worry about protecting the party's reputation because I seriously doubt that America's ready for a female president (especially gauging after the 11 'marriage' amendments and the Bush win.)

Even as such, we aren't doomed. There'll be some tense moments, but that was going to happen with Kerry too, so it's really not a big dea.

I dont think the bush victory will result in violence. Let me rephrase. I dont think it will result in Civil War. Bush doesnt have enough time to complete his objective in Iraq.

The military mess and deeply sewn hatred that he has created among many Arab and Islamic militants will not go away when he leaves office. In Europe, people dont express their views about Bush in a violent way, yet they have absolutely no respect for him.

By doing this, he has created the face of America to the world for the next 20 years, and thats if there Presidents who work without mistakes to rebuild America's reputation in the world

End of the World (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php) - and look who's holding all the nukes! (language warning)

End of the World (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php) - and look who's holding all the nukes! (language warning)

I always like that one. Especially the supernova (sh-t! sh-t!) :D

I think with Bush in office we will go to war with North Korean. China and Russia will most likly support North Korean. This will result in World War III. Don't get me wrong on this, I support Bush and the War. I ready to go serve my country in the Marines where ever they send me. I doubt that there would be a Civil War in the US with the exception of the Gays.

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Marines 911 :sniper:

Civil war, no. But violence will happen. It came close to happening the last time I passed by a Bush/Cheney 2004 bumper sticker on a car.

The next two years will show the first signs of internal rebellion in the United States. Disenfranchised, repressed youth will start looking up how to make car bombs on the internet. Molotov cocktails will be lit with the shreds of the tattered US flag.

Not that it will accomplish anything except to give Bush the excuse to clamp down even further on civil rights, and to entrench the neocons even deeper in the heartland. We won't be getting rid of the Republicans in the forseeable future.

Oh for christ's sake you're an idiot. How many years has America existed? How many times has there been a presidential election? This one is no different, regardless if it just happens to be the first one you care about. Split apart? Honestly...

I think with Bush in office we will go to war with North Korean. China and Russia will most likly support North Korean. This will result in World War III. Don't get me wrong on this, I support Bush and the War. I ready to go serve my country in the Marines where ever they send me. I doubt that there would be a Civil War in the US with the exception of the Gays.

Sign,
Marines 911 :sniper:

Hmm...unfortunate that you never went to school. We won't go to war with North Korea. Nukes anyone? China would support them but why would Russia? Is Russia communist? Does Putin not love us for our anti-terrorist stand when Russia gets terrorized monthly? Does the Russian government have more than $5 saved up? lol...there will be no civil war...any talk of such nonsense is pathetic and uneducated.

the deppressing thing is that Nanakaland is close to the truth, and no there wont be a civil war but either Korea or Iran will be invaded in the near future

To my friends, family, and others - before the election - I predicted that the division in the United States would be so great, no matter who wins (especially Bush), there would be a civil war (I'm not claiming to be psychic, I just think that that would happen). Bush won and I heard on the news that several groups were planing demonstrations. Demonstrations can turn to riots, which could turn to civil war, which in the United States could turn to World War 3. So, my question to you is:

Do you think violence will come out of the Bush victory?

P.S. If any mod could fix the error in the poll question to add the word you, please do.
Even if the remote possiblity of another civil war in the US did occur, why would that mean the end of the World as the topic suggests?

I think with Bush in office we will go to war with North Korean. China and Russia will most likly support North Korean. This will result in World War III. Don't get me wrong on this, I support Bush and the War. I ready to go serve my country in the Marines where ever they send me. I doubt that there would be a Civil War in the US with the exception of the Gays.

Sign,
Marines 911 :sniper:

i'm sorry but i think if anything were to actually happen in north korea china will actually be with us..the last thing china wants is a whack-job with nukes sitting on their border..and i doubt russia will really get overly involved in anything for the next decade or so...they still have way too much to handle in their own area to lend any real support...especially to n. korea

I don't exactly think that a civil war will erupt within the next few years, although, I do believe that this is the start of the tensions between two separate Americas, and a civil war is likely within the next 50 years.

I would hardly say that Civil War will break out. The last time it happened, it was caused by many things, not just slavery and threatened to cause the complete collapse of half the US (the South because then the slave owners would have no one to work the fields). No matter how bad you think the economy is, you cannot say it will collapse because of Bush. There is a lot of tension, but there would have to be a ton more for war to break out.

Oh, by the way, Hi I'm new! :)

Even if the remote possiblity of another civil war in the US did occur, why would that mean the end of the World as the topic suggests?

Well, the world won't end. I just titled it like that to get more people to view this topic. It could be the end of the world as we know it, though.

I'm willing t believe that the US will attack Syria, Iran, anything with the phrase stan at the end of its name... but not North Korea, it may be a communist EVIL but its devoid of anything truly useful and isnt making threatening gestures to the rest of the world, merely telling everyone too piss off and let them get on with their twisted way of manging a country.

Hmm...unfortunate that you never went to school. We won't go to war with North Korea. Nukes anyone? China would support them but why would Russia? Is Russia communist? Does Putin not love us for our anti-terrorist stand when Russia gets terrorized monthly? Does the Russian government have more than $5 saved up? lol...there will be no civil war...any talk of such nonsense is pathetic and uneducated.

Looks who talking, Russia the one who set up the Nuclear program for North Korean. Russia alos have been building there Military forces up and they are the ones who kill the The Star War program that the US has made cost us Billions. China might support North Korean because of two thing, one is they are piss off because the US giving military aid to Taiwan. China been want Taiwan for a long time. Last, North Korean is a communist country just like China. I think why Russia change their party from communism is because it get the US off their back for now. Why is the US still spying on Russia and Russia spying on the US. Because in reallty Russia is still a major threat to national security. So, your uneducated guess was wrong.

Sign,
Marines 911

(sorry for any grammer problems)

Oh for christ's sake you're an idiot. How many years has America existed? How many times has there been a presidential election? This one is no different, regardless if it just happens to be the first one you care about. Split apart? Honestly...

Okay, then. But if there is violence, you'll end up looking like an idiot.

Violence, yes, civil war..no, that is not a war that can be won in America. Our CIA, NS and FBI will not allow it. We will turn into a police state before this happens. There is no reason for it anyhow. The 2000 electioins could have warranted an uprising and civil war, but the Republican party simply won this time. They got the votes out. No one got disenfranchised or cheated this year. The american sheeple have spoken and they want to follow Bush to the slaughter house. I think it sucks, but as long as he won fair and square, there is not much recourse. I think we will see a draft before his term ends, there is nothing to do but sit and quietly watch the Conservative Right screw life up to the point where it is unbearable, then we will be begging to get a liberal in there . People think you can legislate morality....smh...I dont want a spiritual leader. I want a leader who is not going to lie to my face about why he is going to war, who is going to improve our education system, foster an environment that creates new opportuniteis in the job marke, provide the poor with health care, raise the standard of living for the lower and middle class, keep us out of international drama and quit letting big oil screw us with no vaseline. And if he has to get a lil head from his intern to help release some stress and make sure these things come to pass, then so be it. In my opinion no law is going to stop homos from making love to each other, no law is going to prevent women from making a choice about carrying a child to term. No law is going to stop the progression of science in the study of stem cells. Unless you are in a theocracy, you cannot legislate personal morality...people treat Bush like he is their pastor or something, like he can do no wrong...he is their vicar. He, to them is the voice of God on earth...smh...sheeple...I dont like the direction this country is heading in. I dont like our foriegn policy, I dont like our supposed war on terrorism, I dont like the fact that we are denying people their basic rights out of suspicion, I dont like the fact that the patriot act makes provisions for removing our civil rights, I think that the administration will use fear propoganda as an excuse to trample our rights. I think that the gap between the wealthy and the poor will widen and cause unrest and extreme dissatisfaction among low income urban citizens. I'm pissed, but i am also thinking about making huge investments in oil futures, that is one industry that will do very, very well over the next 4-10 years...he is there, nothing to do now but ride it out and make the most of it.

Okay, then. But if there is violence, you'll end up looking like an idiot.

I agreed with you.

Look at this:

The US intelligence services are concerned. The American satellite tracking system located a Topol-M intercontinental ballistic missile in the Russian city of Kostroma, NTV reported.

A 20-meter container weighing about 10 tons and having a diameter of more than 2 meters, arrived in the Kostroma missile division from the Sverdlovsk region, where the missile system was deployed.

Yury Oshkin, Deputy Commander of the Kostroma missile unit, said the plastic container contained a missile in active service.

US intelligence services expressed concern why the container arrived at an operating military base, and sent a request to the Russian authorities. The Russian military said it was a museum exhibit, a gift from the Russian Defense Ministry, and it would not be launched. Instead, it will be put up as a monument to the missile troops in one of the city’s parks.

However, the Americans were not reassured. They gave Kostroma’s military command 10 days to remove the “monument” from the military base and transfer it to the local administration.


North Korea to build new missiles using Soviet design
[Aug 04, 2004] North Korea is deploying new land- and sea-based ballistic missiles apparently to be based on a decomissioned Soviet submarine-launched ballistic missile, the R-27.

Russia to boost military spending in 2005

I always find it amusing that the US gets so agitated about another countries posession of wmd, while we have the largest stockpile in the world of such weapons. The US acts as if no one is responsible enough to posses these weapons, i think that is a very arrogant assumption. I think they dont want countries to posses these weapons, because then they can only talk shyt to them and not kick their ass and take their goods like they are doing to Iraq. Iran knows this, N. Korea knows this, this is why they are developing these weapons. We are not the world police, if we were not in their business, then we would have no reason to fear. We should protect our citizens around the world, but if someone says "get out of my yard" then we need to respectfully leave, not try stop him from getting a gun(nuke) to get us off his property.--btw i only recall one country ever using nuclear weapons in a war-

The US intelligence services are concerned. The American satellite tracking system located a Topol-M intercontinental ballistic missile in the Russian city of Kostroma, NTV reported.


North Korea to build new missiles using Soviet design
[Aug 04, 2004] North Korea is deploying new land- and sea-based ballistic missiles apparently to be based on a decomissioned Soviet submarine-launched ballistic missile, the R-27.

Russia to boost military spending in 2005
These are interesting articles. I would like to read them in their original context. Could you provide a link to your sources?

Looks who talking, Russia the one who set up the Nuclear program for North Korean. Russia alos have been building there Military forces up and they are the ones who kill the The Star War program that the US has made cost us Billions. China might support North Korean because of two thing, one is they are piss off because the US giving military aid to Taiwan. China been want Taiwan for a long time. Last, North Korean is a communist country just like China. I think why Russia change their party from communism is because it get the US off their back for now. Why is the US still spying on Russia and Russia spying on the US. Because in reallty Russia is still a major threat to national security. So, your uneducated guess was wrong.

Sign,
Marines 911

(sorry for any grammer problems)

You're confusing Russia with the USSR. Yes they are different. The USSR did not collapse just so that they can "get the US off their backs." Everyone spies on everyone also. I can assure you even Britain and America keeps tabs on each other. Also how is my "uneducated" guess wrong? Are we at war with North Korea? Is Russia against us in this war? Hmm..nope. My prediction stands.

Also, Nanakaland, if there is violence, I won't end up looking like an idiot. The person who say kills someone from a different political party or burns their house down or something will look like an idiot. I'm not saying that people aren't stupid enough to try and pull something like that...but large scale riots and civil war...give me a break. The fact that people were on TV crying because Kerry lost is pathetic. No tears would come from me if Bush lost.

I always find it amusing that the US gets so agitated about another countries posession of wmd, while we have the largest stockpile in the world of such weapons. The US acts as if no one is responsible enough to posses these weapons, i think that is a very arrogant assumption. I think they dont want countries to posses these weapons, because then they can only talk shyt to them and not kick their ass and take their goods like they are doing to Iraq. Iran knows this, N. Korea knows this, this is why they are developing these weapons. We are not the world police, if we were not in their business, then we would have no reason to fear. We should protect our citizens around the world, but if someone says "get out of my yard" then we need to respectfully leave, not try stop him from getting a gun(nuke) to get us off his property.--btw i only recall one country ever using nuclear weapons in a war-

What's your point...that America is arrogant? Well...yeah...and with good reason.

no point, it is just that the reactions of those in power are amusing, comical and hypocritical...arrogance? yea, but why? u proud to be an ass? arrogant people are asses...so are arrogant countries...

no point, it is just that the reactions of those in power are amusing, comical and hypocritical...arrogance? yea, but why? u proud to be an ass? arrogant people are asses...so are arrogant countries...

Arrogant people are either "big fish in a small pond" or sure of their superiority. In America's case, it's both...except there isn't a larger "pond". America is the leading military, economical, and technilogical (I suck at spelling) power in the world. To quote an old saying "it ain't braggin' if you back it up."

Arrogant people are either "big fish in a small pond" or sure of their superiority. In America's case, it's both...except there isn't a larger "pond". America is the leading military, economical, and technilogical (I suck at spelling) power in the world. To quote an old saying "it ain't braggin' if you back it up."


lol...true, but arrogance has a lot to do with attitude and the resulting actions. Just cause you can do something, does not mean you should do it.

If the Democrats leave big hints that they're going to run Hillary in 08, he won't even have to worry about protecting the party's reputation because I seriously doubt that America's ready for a female president (especially gauging after the 11 'marriage' amendments and the Bush win.)
What have the bigotfest gay marriage changes got to to with a female president? I think that the bigger danger is that Hillary Clinton will go crazy during her election campaign. Kerry was not a figure frequently lambasted by Republicans before his campaign, and look what they did to him! If you thought that was bad, imagine what they would do to Hillary.

Hmm...unfortunate that you never went to school. We won't go to war with North Korea. Nukes anyone? China would support them but why would Russia? Is Russia communist?
I don't even think that China would side with NK. China would commit economic suicide by siding against the USA. Although NK is officially helped by China, it's no secret that North Korean spies and assassins are widespread in China and that the Chinese government really dislikes Kim Il Sung's government.

not North Korea, it ... .isn't making threatening gestures to the rest of the world
Except for aiming nuclear missiles at the USA, South Korea, Japan and probably Russia and China too.

I don't even think that China would side with NK. China would commit economic suicide by siding against the USA. Although NK is officially helped by China, it's no secret that North Korean spies and assassins are widespread in China and that the Chinese government really dislikes Kim Il Sung's government.

I said support. Excuse my french but I don't think China has the "balls" to do much of anything military wise. Just a hunch.

To my friends, family, and others - before the election - I predicted that the division in the United States would be so great, no matter who wins (especially Bush), there would be a civil war (I'm not claiming to be psychic, I just think that that would happen). Bush won and I heard on the news that several groups were planing demonstrations. Demonstrations can turn to riots, which could turn to civil war, which in the United States could turn to World War 3. So, my question to you is:

Do you think violence will come out of the Bush victory?

P.S. If any mod could fix the error in the poll question to add the word you, please do.

on the odd chance there was violance, it would be very short lived. The anti bush crowd is mostly anti gun and live in cities that severly restrict gun ownership. The pro bush crown is much more pro gun.

I said support. Excuse my french but I don't think China has the "balls" to do much of anything military wise. Just a hunch.

Motivation? Not there.

Feasibility? Probably. China maintains the largest standing army in the world and has millions of young men that will never be able to marry that are willing to die for their cause.

That goes without mentioning how even a few trade embargos would cripple the American economy with little to no impact on China's. Think about where nearly all of your ammunition and consumer products are made...

Let's talk about this:

First off, the National debt stands at 7.5 trillion dollars. Divide that by the population of the United States, and you have each person owing 25,000 dollars a piece. The projected budget for the next 5 years, released by the federal government, no spin here, shows it to go to 10.5 trillion by 2009. If you honestly think this trend can continue without repurcussion, you are sadly mistaken. "This economy is too strong to collapse" is the most ignorant retort. No economy is immune from collapse. It WILL fall. Why shouldn't it? What's preventing it? Not one single economy ever created in the world has lasted forever.

Next, I don't know about your states, but because of Bush's tax cuts, federal funding was cut from our state funding. The result of which was an immediate cut to all higher-level education. All state institutions, on average, rose 30% over 3 years in Ohio. At that rate, in 20 years, kids will be paying 30,000 a year to go to a public school, 100,000 for private and out-of-state. Don't even think that a $20 an hour job is going to pay for that. We're talking about serious debt accumulation, higher than already. And I hope you enjoy your tax cuts....the government is going to get your money, one way or the other. It's a false front, a false security have you.

Speaking of false fronts. All economies that have fallen recently have fallen in the same manner. Corporate policies lax in countries like Indonesia and Argentina have divided the rich and poor. It's called greed. Just because you have a strong corporation, doesn't mean they will treat their employees with respect. A divided population led to a lagging economy. The governments of both privatized their assets, and lowered interest rates to spark growth (and to save their ass in the case of economic downfall, by selling off their assets, they would not be responsible for expenditures). Any of this sound familiar? The result of which led to a substantial growth and immediate collapse of an already wavering system.

The sad part.....it's not the rich that are going to suffer. It's the poor. The rich have their security in hand. They know what is coming and they prepared for it. They knew what was coming in Argentina, and now they're 4X as rich and the poor are 4X as poor. The same thing is headed for the US. It's going to happen. When? I don't know. But it WILL happen. You better face reality.

And now the poor of the United States have put their faith in the Republican party. The same party that stands behind corporate interests and trust corporations to do the best for their people. Sheer ignorance. Honestly, if you could fire a guy you never met, make another do twice the work, and you get $40K a year more, you'd do it...wouldn't you? I would.

The warning signs are all there. The classes are dividing, and inflation is about to skyrocket. Oil prices are reaching 50% more a barrel than what they were 4 years ago. Corporations will raise their prices. The rich will get richer, the poor poorer.

I voted Kerry, but I don't regret the outcome. You see, I'm leaving this country. I've already married international and I'm getting the hell out. But as an afterthought, I realize, Bush has made his bed, now he should have to sleep in it. Why should the democrats clean up the mess that Republicans have made for 22 of the last 34 years.

The way I see it, America deserves this economic fall-out if they're too ignorant to fore-see it. That debt is far too deep for a shaky economy to support. Don't even say, "The debt doesn't matter because it's money we owe ourselves". That's sheer ignorance. Just ask all other countries of economic collapse.

In conclusion, we're set for either the greatest acceleration of American industry and growth we've ever seen, or the biggest I-told-you-so of the last 74 years. Ironic it's the exact same I-told-you-so.....Republicans in office, restricting freedoms, and a "guaranteed stable" economy.

Motivation? Not there.

Feasibility? Probably. China maintains the largest standing army in the world and has millions of young men that will never be able to marry that are willing to die for their cause.

That goes without mentioning how even a few trade embargos would cripple the American economy with little to no impact on China's. Think about where nearly all of your ammunition and consumer products are made...
We can find cheap labor elsewhere. They can't find the largest market of rich people in the world elsewhere.

Civil war, no. But violence will happen. It came close to happening the last time I passed by a Bush/Cheney 2004 bumper sticker on a car.

The next two years will show the first signs of internal rebellion in the United States. Disenfranchised, repressed youth will start looking up how to make car bombs on the internet. Molotov cocktails will be lit with the shreds of the tattered US flag.

Not that it will accomplish anything except to give Bush the excuse to clamp down even further on civil rights, and to entrench the neocons even deeper in the heartland. We won't be getting rid of the Republicans in the forseeable future.
I agree with you. This will cause violence, and I think we speak for all of the people in this dicussion when we say that violence in the US is only a good thing. Maybe, if we keep up the violence, that civil war you were talking about may just be within reach.

mm.. the world won't end but it will be a damn lot worse off than before

on the odd chance there was violance, it would be very short lived. The anti bush crowd is mostly anti gun and live in cities that severly restrict gun ownership. The pro bush crown is much more pro gun.

Yeah. That's probably true. Any violence'd probably be a few riots in the street. I still think that there'd be some violence, though.

"Don't even say, "The debt doesn't matter because it's money we owe ourselves". That's sheer ignorance. Just ask all other countries of economic collapse."

And it's also not true. Much of that money we owe to... China.

"Don't even say, "The debt doesn't matter because it's money we owe ourselves". That's sheer ignorance. Just ask all other countries of economic collapse."

And it's also not true. Much of that money we owe to... China.
Right. And how much money, combined, do all those other countries owe the US that they never pay back? Not even the interest payments they owe?

I agree with the comments about violence being short lived. The Anarchists might carry out this violence if anyone. Hardcore liberals usually do not want to fight in wars.

This talk of Civil War is rediculous. Many Conservatives right now want to unite this country and how easy is it when people from the other side lash out and say a bunch of horrible things?

It is also possible that the US will invade countries like Iran, but that's only if they do not agree to disarm and become a threat to the world.

I agree with the comments about violence being short lived. The Anarchists might carry out this violence if anyone. Hardcore liberals usually do not want to fight in wars.

This talk of Civil War is rediculous. Many Conservatives right now want to unite this country and how easy is it when people from the other side lash out and say a bunch of horrible things?

It is also possible that the US will invade countries like Iran, but that's only if they do not agree to disarm and become a threat to the world.


A threat to the world. Personaly im not worried about Iran. The only thing im worried about is America invading my country for not being nice little sheep and helping the US invade Iraq.

Arrogant people are either "big fish in a small pond" or sure of their superiority. In America's case, it's both...except there isn't a larger "pond". America is the leading military, economical, and technilogical (I suck at spelling) power in the world. To quote an old saying "it ain't braggin' if you back it up."

I agree America has a strong military. However Americans tend to believe the gap between their military and the rest of the worlds is much larger than it actualy is.

We can find cheap labor elsewhere. They can't find the largest market of rich people in the world elsewhere.

Ahhhhh yes. So it is your right to exploit the poorer countries??

Ahhhhh yes. So it is your right to exploit the poorer countries??
I didn't say that, just that we are more important to China than China is to us.

I didn't say that, just that we are more important to China than China is to us.

Sorry my misunderstanding. But i believe the term interdependence fits best. Perhaps china needs you slightly more but i think both of your economies would be pretty shaky if you stoped trading with each other.

When I heard that Kerry was going to concede, I soon started thinking there would be a civil war.

Bush is an anti abortion, slave trading (Workfare), Robin Hood in reverse and he must be stopped. Someone with a certain amount of money could start by recruiting beggars and paying them to train as soldiers to fight against the US government.

I think that in the near future a film maker (possibly Michael Moore) will produce a film about a second civil war, which will be very detailed and designed to give people ideas about how to carry it out.

Another possiblity is that the states which voted for Kerry could secede (sp?) from the Union to escape from Bush's policies. They're on opposite sides of the country, but so was Pakistan when it left India. East Pakistan later became Bangladesh. Nowadays, travel and communication is a lot easier, so people from the west coast could get to New England quite easily and vice versa. Washington DC should also leave, because most people there voted for Kerry.

These are interesting articles. I would like to read them in their original context. Could you provide a link to your sources?

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To my friends, family, and others - before the election - I predicted that the division in the United States would be so great, no matter who wins (especially Bush), there would be a civil war (I'm not claiming to be psychic, I just think that that would happen). Bush won and I heard on the news that several groups were planing demonstrations. Demonstrations can turn to riots, which could turn to civil war, which in the United States could turn to World War 3. So, my question to you is:

Do you think violence will come out of the Bush victory?

P.S. If any mod could fix the error in the poll question to add the word you, please do.
no...
*runs and hides in a bomb shelter*

You're confusing Russia with the USSR. Yes they are different. The USSR did not collapse just so that they can "get the US off their backs." Everyone spies on everyone also. I can assure you even Britain and America keeps tabs on each other. Also how is my "uneducated" guess wrong? Are we at war with North Korea? Is Russia against us in this war? Hmm..nope. My prediction stands.

Also, Nanakaland, if there is violence, I won't end up looking like an idiot. The person who say kills someone from a different political party or burns their house down or something will look like an idiot. I'm not saying that people aren't stupid enough to try and pull something like that...but large scale riots and civil war...give me a break. The fact that people were on TV crying because Kerry lost is pathetic. No tears would come from me if Bush lost.

I don't think I'm the one who is confuse. It is kind of odd when the fall of USSR that all and I do mean all the communist party change their parties.
It make sense because the US was putting a lot of pressure on the USSR and the USSR was running short of money, so it was a way The Former USSR, Russia, to make some money and find so way to attakc the US.

Sign,
Marines 911 :sniper: