NationStates Jolt Archive

Yesterday is settling down with every one and already newspapers here are suggesting who will run in 2008 Hillary V Jeb, Hillary V Rudiani, Edwards V as before etc. Personally I don't think Clinton could win in 2008-It would be great just to see Bill pinking out china patterns tho!

But who is more likely to be elected:
A black president?
A woman president?
An openly gay president?
A female black president?

Yesterday is settling down with every one and already newspapers here are suggesting who will run in 2008 Hillary V Jeb, Hillary V Rudiani, Edwards V as before etc. Personally I don't think Clinton could win in 2008-It would be great just to see Bill pinking out china patterns tho!

But who is more likely to be elected:
A black president?
A woman president?
An openly gay president?
A female black president?

None are going to happen as yesterday's result showed.

It's not what I asked

It's not what I asked

I know it's not.

Then answer!! This could go on all day!

Then answer!! This could go on all day!

Answer what?

What I wonder is: the day a Jewish or Muslim president gets elected, will they make him take oath on the Bible??? (talk about secularism, sighs)

What I wonder is: the day a Jewish or Muslim president gets elected, will they make him take oath on the Bible??? (talk about secularism, sighs)

Will there ever be an animal elected President?

What I wonder is: the day a Jewish or Muslim president gets elected, will they make him take oath on the Bible??? (talk about secularism, sighs)

Good point. But I doubt they will. What would be the point? You could go break all the rules ....wait a minute has that been done before? No disrespect intended at all but I think all of the above would be elected before a Jewish or Muslim president gets elected. Personally I think a female pres will be in first. As for making Bill pick out china patterns.. Have a heart. He'll be to busy with all that free time and working with interns! :)

Will there ever be an animal elected President?

Weren't you watching the news yesterday? No disrespect to animals but monkey man reigns again:(

Will there ever be an animal elected President?
You're deliciously refreshing...

What I wonder is: the day a Jewish or Muslim president gets elected, will they make him take oath on the Bible??? (talk about secularism, sighs)
The Bible oath taking is optional. Some Presidents ask for it, others don't (George H. W. Bush didn't take the oath on the Bible)

What if its a black women president-elect? Which part counts first?

Will there ever be an animal elected President?
President...of my belly!

Based on yesterday's election results, the general attitudes and opinions of most Americans I've encountered on and offline, and the general nature of American politics, I would actually be surprised if there was a woman president, let alone a black president.

What if its a black women president-elect? Which part counts first?
both

What if its a black women president-elect? Which part counts first?

What if it's a female, turban wearing black panther?

Id rather vote for my ass than hillary!!!!! :sniper: :gundge:

black president what!

I'd suspect that a black President will be elected before a woman, though. There are plenty of Prez grade black pols, but the only woman that's been offered up is Hillary, who coudn't win a national election if she tried.

Bill Clinton was the first black president. Everyone knows this!

The next race will be Hillary vs. Gulliani.

Rudy will ruin Hillary. I'm registered democrat and I would more than likely vote Republican that race.

The answer is a female or a black. Either one of these individuals could be elected in the U.S.

As in Hillary Clinton or Colin Powell.

"The checks and balances of a democratic system were invented because human beings relised how unfit they were to govern themselves. They needed a system [to restrict any one person from gaining power] an industrial age machine"

So the people who invented democracy (the french mainly) realised mankind was fundamentally flawed in running a group of people due to motivated self interest and this was their solution.

But:
"A system organised around the weakest qualities of individuals will produce those same qualities in it's leaders"

So as long as we have a system built around the fact we can't trust anyone to stand up and say "I can do this, I can run the country" all we'll do is have people who are willing to do such things to get the Job they should never be trusted with it.

Anyone who can tell me who i quoted will earn my undying respect!!

I would simply love to see an atheist black lesbian president who was an ex-porn star and ran on an independant ticket!

I would simply love to see an atheist black lesbian president who was an ex-porn star and ran on an independant ticket!

Well if she had big enough "assests" that just might happen!!
I think it's clear people don't choose a president on Policy!

What if its a black women president-elect? Which part counts first?

Condoleezza Rice

She'd make a great President.

I believe a woman president is a far more likely possibility in the US in the near future, than a black president, as there is still a great deal of racism within the culture, while gender discrimination no longer appears to be an issue.

"The checks and balances of a democratic system were invented because human beings relised how unfit they were to govern themselves. They needed a system [to restrict any one person from gaining power] an industrial age machine"

So the people who invented democracy (the french mainly) realised mankind was fundamentally flawed in running a group of people due to motivated self interest and this was their solution.

But:
"A system organised around the weakest qualities of individuals will produce those same qualities in it's leaders"

So as long as we have a system built around the fact we can't trust anyone to stand up and say "I can do this, I can run the country" all we'll do is have people who are willing to do such things to get the Job they should never be trusted with it.

Anyone who can tell me who i quoted will earn my undying respect!!
I can't tell you who it was, but clearly the solution is to have a system organised around the Market. Human beings might make mistakes, but the Market doesn't. :D

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So the people who invented democracy (the french mainly)


where did you get that idea?

Based on yesterday's election results, the general attitudes and opinions of most Americans I've encountered on and offline, and the general nature of American politics, I would actually be surprised if there was a woman president, let alone a black president.

After yesterday it is apparent to me that America is just as lost/divided/polarized/backwards as the rest of the world that we "allege" we're defending. Everyone smiles in one another's faces, but when we go home we're no more unified than we were in the past and that's pathetic. :(

"The checks and balances of a democratic system were invented because human beings relised how unfit they were to govern themselves. They needed a system [to restrict any one person from gaining power] an industrial age machine"

So the people who invented democracy (the french mainly) realised mankind was fundamentally flawed in running a group of people due to motivated self interest and this was their solution.

But:
"A system organised around the weakest qualities of individuals will produce those same qualities in it's leaders"

So as long as we have a system built around the fact we can't trust anyone to stand up and say "I can do this, I can run the country" all we'll do is have people who are willing to do such things to get the Job they should never be trusted with it.

Anyone who can tell me who i quoted will earn my undying respect!!


Wow, you get mad respect from me and I don't know who said the quote, but I need to. I abundantly agree. Got any good books to read along the lines of what you put out there.

I believe a woman president is a far more likely possibility in the US in the near future, than a black president, as there is still a great deal of racism within the culture, while gender discrimination no longer appears to be an issue.

I agree w/the statement, but not the reasoning. A woman would be an "easieer" step towards a public perception of equality, but it would have to be a powerful woman like Hillary, that we don't perceive as a gentle-like woman to do it. But I really think it would be interesting to see how many women alone still wouldn't vote for her. We've come a long way w/the way we hide our discrimination. Institutionalized racism and sexism is alive and stronger than ever. Until we deal w/it we will remain a divided hypocritocal nation.

What if it's a female, turban wearing black panther?


I'm quite concerned about you. From reading your posts today you appear to be a sexually frustrated 16year old quite pre occupied with 'dirty organs' 'naughty thoughts' and 'turbans'....you could just be a normal male also!!!!!!!!!!
These are actual quotes..if slightly taken out of context I blame the computer!! :p

I'm quite concerned about you. From reading your posts today you appear to be a sexually frustrated 16year old quite pre occupied with 'dirty organs' 'naughty thoughts' and 'turbans'....you could just be a normal male also!!!!!!!!!!
These are actual quotes..if slightly taken out of context I blame the computer!! :p

I just care about animal rights!

My views about who would theoretically be chosen for presidential candidates first:

Black man
Gay man
Female
Black female

However, I can see a woman vice president before seeing a black male as president. Then again, it's just my opinion.

- Asylum Nova

With all this talk about Obama, I almost think a black man will be president before a woman would. However, I don't think they will nominate him just because it's too early to decide...

Remember that the first major-party ticket to have a woman on it was in 1984, though it was Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro, and they had about as much chance of winning as Gigli did of winning an Oscar, so I almost think it doesn't count.

We could get Maggie Thatcher out of the deep freeze and send her over to you guys. Rumour has it her handbag is a deadly weapon - should prove useful against them terrorists.

Pencil sharpener!

Yours,
Mr. Luxury Yacht (It is spelt Luxury Yacht but is actually pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove)

We could get Maggie Thatcher out of the deep freeze and send her over to you guys. Rumour has it her handbag is a deadly weapon - should prove useful against them terrorists.

Just remember to keep feeding her the mashed up souls of young children.

Weren't you watching the news yesterday? No disrespect to animals but monkey man reigns again:(

To you calling Governor Hunstman a monkey.

http://www3.capwiz.com/congressorg/e4/cinfo/?state=UT&id=118833

I agree w/the statement, but not the reasoning. A woman would be an "easieer" step towards a public perception of equality, but it would have to be a powerful woman like Hillary, that we don't perceive as a gentle-like woman to do it. But I really think it would be interesting to see how many women alone still wouldn't vote for her. We've come a long way w/the way we hide our discrimination. Institutionalized racism and sexism is alive and stronger than ever. Until we deal w/it we will remain a divided hypocritocal nation.

There are simply more women in positions of power than African-Americans (governors, senators) so a woman president would be more likely anyway.

Looking at the political field, if it's going to happen soon it will be a black, ,aybe a black woman but more likely a man. I doubt it will happen soon though, the break point will be a woman or black or openly gay vice president. Once we have that, then we can get onto the president, but ubtil that barrier is broken either is unlikely as a president. It's not that there is sufficent objection to any of these categories (except opnely gay) to prevent them from being president, it's just that the field of people in these categories qualified enough to run and unbaggaged enough to win is non-existant. baggage is the big problem with the qualified ones, they all have histories which will keep them from winning.

An interesting paradox, in order to be considered qualified to run you have to make yourself unable to win. Of course someone always does win, but it is usually someone unqualifed for the job who somehow managed to get the nomination and was able to beat their oponent on the basis of their history.

The Bible oath taking is optional. Some Presidents ask for it, others don't (George H. W. Bush didn't take the oath on the Bible)

http://www.nrlc.org/news/2001/NRL02/pg1a.jpg

Black men were holding positions in power years before women were even allowed to vote.

First Black Governor - Governor P. B. S. Pinchback (1872 to 1873), LT Governor Oscar Dunn (1864 to 1867, and 1869 to 1870), Governor Douglas Wilder (1990 to 1994), LT Governor Michael Steele (current).

Black men were holding positions in power years before women were even allowed to vote.

First Black Governor - Governor P. B. S. Pinchback (1872 to 1873), LT Governor Oscar Dunn (1864 to 1867, and 1869 to 1870), Governor Douglas Wilder (1990 to 1994), LT Governor Michael Steele (current).

Carol Moseley Braun was the first black woman elected to the United States Senate. She ran for the Democratic presidential nomination in February of 2003. She dropped out of the running in January 15, 2004 due to severe financial loss.

We could get Maggie Thatcher out of the deep freeze and send her over to you guys. Rumour has it her handbag is a deadly weapon - should prove useful against them terrorists.

I have much respect for Maggie Thatcher as PM cos she was the only women elected to that office. Should did have some ok policies but besde that she would be scary in office now. For a laugh I'd give her the white house, who knows her way might work...it didn't with the IRA tho

http://www.nrlc.org/news/2001/NRL02/pg1a.jpg
George H. W. Bush =/= George W. Bush

Sr and Jr

I would say that they would most likely be a black president before a female, but a latino president before a black. It also seems likely that there will be a Constitutional ammendment that allows non-native born people to run in the near future.

But who is more likely to be elected:
A black president?
A woman president?
An openly gay president?
A female black president?
A black president.

I would say that they would most likely be a black president before a female, but a latino president before a black. It also seems likely that there will be a Constitutional ammendment that allows non-native born people to run in the near future.Noy bloody likely, if they wouldn't do it for Kissinger after he proved he was the greatest diplomat ever, they're not going to do for Arnie. Before you jump on me about Kissinger being a murderer and all that I have one thing to say: look at a picture of Kissinger from any time, look at a picture of Jill St.John, think about the fact that she was rated one the hotest if not the hottest babe in the world at the time, realize that Kissinger not only slept with her but that she was willing to admit it publicly, now that is the greatest diplomat of all time.

On the topic of the actual question, I think that it would be,
A.) Black
B.) Woman
C.) Female Black
D.) Openly Gay

And I think the chances of one of those four would be greatly increased if they ran as a Republican, just like the chances of a Catholic would be increased if they ran with the Democrats.

On the topic of the actual question, I think that it would be,
A.) Black
B.) Woman
C.) Female Black
D.) Openly Gay

And I think the chances of one of those four would be greatly increased if they ran as a Republican, just like the chances of a Catholic would be increased if they ran with the Democrats.
Since a single President has yet to occur. Everyone has to be married we won't have a open gay president. Unless he is in the closet.

I say woman first, go Clintons!

Since a single President has yet to occur. Everyone has to be married we won't have a open gay president. Unless he is in the closet.

I say woman first, go Clintons!Um, marriage is not a real disqualifier of hmosexuals per se. We have had single, divorced and widowed people elected president of the US. Why do people always forget about Buchanan, and he was reputed to an in the closet homosexual?

Yesterday is settling down with every one and already newspapers here are suggesting who will run in 2008 Hillary V Jeb, Hillary V Rudiani, Edwards V as before etc. Personally I don't think Clinton could win in 2008-It would be great just to see Bill pinking out china patterns tho!

But who is more likely to be elected:
A black president?
A woman president?
An openly gay president?
A female black president?

What about an openly gay, female, black president?

Um, marriage is not a real disqualifier of hmosexuals per se. We have had single, divorced and widowed people elected president of the US. Why do people always forget about Buchanan, and he was reputed to an in the closet homosexual?
Name the single or divorced presidents: widowed are not his fault so that wouldn't matter.

What about a black lesbian President?

Name the single or divorced presidents: widowed are not his fault so that wouldn't matter.James Buchanan was single. Ronald Reagan was divorced.

Name the single or divorced presidents: widowed are not his fault so that wouldn't matter.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/gc2224.html
A bachelor, Cleveland was ill at ease at first with all the comforts of the White House. "I must go to dinner," he wrote a friend, "but I wish it was to eat a pickled herring a Swiss cheese and a chop at Louis' instead of the French stuff I shall find." In June 1886 Cleveland married 21-year-old Frances Folsom; he was the only President married in the White House.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/gc2224.htmlYep, I didn't mention Cleaveland since he at least was married during his lifetime. Likewise there is no need to mention Jackson's divorce since he later remarried his ex-wife.

Yesterday is settling down with every one and already newspapers here are suggesting who will run in 2008 Hillary V Jeb, Hillary V Rudiani, Edwards V as before etc. Personally I don't think Clinton could win in 2008-It would be great just to see Bill pinking out china patterns tho!

But who is more likely to be elected:
A black president?
A woman president?
An openly gay president?
A female black president?

In the 80's and 90's, my president was a single woman...

James Buchanan was single. Ronald Reagan was divorced.
Reagon has a wife. I meant Divorced and stayed divorced (no remarrying)

A black man will be first, a woman soon after (probably) but i dont think an openly gay candidate will ever win in this century.

Reagon has a wife. I meant Divorced and stayed divorced (no remarrying)
Well we've got Buchanan and Clevland who were single when elected, so single men can be elected.

As for divorce viz divorce and remarriage well, I remember Reagan's being divorced was brought up unsucessfully in an attempt to smear his morals, so I assumed that was the intent of singling out the divorced, after all he certainly did have some fault in being divorced.

If Hillary Clinton runs in 2008, she will most likely win. No matter the competition.

If Hillary Clinton runs in 2008, she will most likely win. No matter the competition.

Not likely. She's reviled by many people, not least of which were those that turned out to vote against Kerry this time.

It also matters who the GOP puts up against her. As long as it's someone marginally charismatic like Giuliani, it will be a tough race for her.

We've already had the "1st black president" according to Toni Morrison - Bill Clinton