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For many years a popular idea among canadinas and Islanders alike is for Canada to annex Turks & Caicos Islands. Unfortunatly the government has put this to the back burner. If Canada was to annex the islands, we could reform the island to first world standards, because the potentail exists, but the governing body does not. In surveys citizens of T&C said overwealmingly they would join confederation if offered, and at any given time there are usually more Canadian tourists on the island that perment citizens.

What do you think canadians?

If the locals decide in a national referendum that they want to become part of Canada, I say that we should accept them with open arms.

Not only would we be able to give them medicare, access to an industrialised economy, and enough fresh water to drown the islands, but we would have access to a beautiful caribbean island.

Whoa, for a minute there I thought 'new territory' meant 'invasion of US'

It's my understanding that it's not an annexation so much as a new type of relationship, similar to what the federal government has with the provinces, but with different status because the T&C Islands wouldn't be required to join Confederation.

In any case, I'm all for it. It would be cool to have our own "island paradise" territory.

Have you checked this with Britain. I'm not sure they're gonna be as keen as you.

Have you checked this with Britain. I'm not sure they're gonna be as keen as you.
Oooh, a Britain-Canada war - sounds fun

Canada already annexed a paradise.
Its in fucking NFLD.
FREE NFLD.You fuckers never wanted us anyways,and we dont wanna be there.Just like Quebec

Canada already annexed a paradise.
Its in fucking NFLD.
FREE NFLD.You fuckers never wanted us anyways,and we dont wanna be there.Just like Quebec
So then what would happen if Quebec did successfully seceede?

Canada already annexed a paradise.
Its in fucking NFLD.
FREE NFLD.You fuckers never wanted us anyways,and we dont wanna be there.Just like Quebec

Britan has it as a territory , and its not well off.canadian poloticians would instate it as a territory , but from my understanding Canadian territories are just as socially advanced as a province, it just doesn't sound right to call any territory with a total population of under 50 thousand a province, even if they are larger than most countries. Iv got nothing against frech or Newfoundland, Ontario just wants to be the big brother province of provinces. Exemplified by the huge amount of federal tax dollars collected in Ontario and distributed in Newfoundland. As for Quebec, theres a little bit of sibling rivaly there, but nothings gona change. The day Quebec forgets about the ice storm that would have crippled their economy if not for federal intervention, is the day Id welcome Quebec to leave confederation. But I'm sure no Quebecer will ever forget our generosity in the face of their sepretest movement, So why not give an Island in the carribean a change? Its alread got more people living in it than our territories, and its a toursit destination that could use tourist dollars to reform their territory within a very short time. With canadian help.

canada is too weak and retarded to do anytihng like that. :sniper: :gundge: :mp5:

Coming from someone who runs a nation called, "Da Gangta Nation"... Since I assume Gangta means Gangsta, due to the fact that The was spelt Da in combination... You're an idiot.

Whoa, for a minute there I thought 'new territory' meant 'invasion of US'
Nah, the US will join Canada peacefully and of their own free will sometime in the next century.

I'm sure they could either be taken on board as a territory, or they could be made part of Nova Scotia. But as for the idea itself, it's strictly a win-win situation.

Britan has it as a territory , and its not well off.canadian poloticians would instate it as a territory , but from my understanding Canadian territories are just as socially advanced as a province, it just doesn't sound right to call any territory with a total population of under 50 thousand a province, even if they are larger than most countries. Iv got nothing against frech or Newfoundland, Ontario just wants to be the big brother province of provinces. Exemplified by the huge amount of federal tax dollars collected in Ontario and distributed in Newfoundland. As for Quebec, theres a little bit of sibling rivaly there, but nothings gona change. The day Quebec forgets about the ice storm that would have crippled their economy if not for federal intervention, is the day Id welcome Quebec to leave confederation. But I'm sure no Quebecer will ever forget our generosity in the face of their sepretest movement, So why not give an Island in the carribean a change? Its alread got more people living in it than our territories, and its a toursit destination that could use tourist dollars to reform their territory within a very short time. With canadian help.

hate to burst your bubble, but per capita, Alberta and BC pay the most - and we receive the least in return...

thats what Cretin (not a sp mistake) called "have" provinces contributing to economic equalization, thats a pile of BS if ever i heard one. Ontario sucks the fat from the land my friend, and the fact that the voter base (which is obviously centralized in Ontario and Quebec) will only forever contribute to this problem and its inherent continuation as well as ensure that the views and needs of people in said provinces are always the first priority. After all, what sane politician would want to turn away voters by helping those who deserve help as oposed to those who want it, and can help in return come re-election time?? I seem to recall a lot of fan fare and support during the blackout, and during the SARS crisis. Why wasnt there a government sponsored rally against the softwood lumber fight that continues to decimate BC's once flush economy? Even the level of help that Alberta recieved during the mad cow crisis was dismal by comparison, in particular when considered the total losses suffered - much much greater, even on a day by day basis, than SARS or the blackout could even come close to. Luckily for Alberta, the oil industry keeps their pockets fat, so the problem was solved provincially. BC on the other hand, has been shit on for the last 15 years by US politicans and their self serving policies, they take our energy, they want our water, they have destroyed our mining and lumber industries, they almost single handedly obliterated the Salmon fishing industry and yet i dont blame the US. The problem is that the Canadian Politicians (who again, are dominantly from Ontario of course) dont want to piss of the states by standing up against the US policies, in particular, because standing up to said policies would cost Ontario, and those within its heavily guarded confines a costly price in the way of poor trade relationships... well then, better to starve the low-vote-populated west than to vex any of the voter-rich east. I know its not Ontarians themselves, and I have no ill will towards them, just please dont refer to Ontario as a "Big Brother" you run the risk of being labeled a "Big Bully".

Whoa, for a minute there I thought 'new territory' meant 'invasion of US'
Canada invading the US? :confused:

Don't you mean the invasion of Canada by the US? ;)

Canada invading the US? :confused:

Don't you mean the invasion of Canada by the US? ;)

Shh. That's not supposed to happen 'til you guys need our water.

Shh. That's not supposed to happen 'til you guys need our water.
Your water? I got news for ya Michigan aint called the Great Lakes State for nothing. :D

Seriously though, there's no fricking way California getting water from the Great Lakes. Neither the Great Lakes states nor the Great Lakes provinces are going to allow that. If you ask me, anybody living out West should have known that they'll be hard up on water out there and should adjust to it accordingly instead of trying to grow grass yards and farm crops that require large amounts of water.

Well Tallaris, you're from Michigan - you of all people should know there's a lot more water in Canada than the Great Lakes. A Helluva lot more.

No disagreement re: the lawn farmers in places like Arizona, New Mexico, SoCal, etc.

Apparently what killed the Vikings as they expanded westward (or a contributing factor, anyway) was their tendency to cling to their old familiar ways in spite of whether their new lands could support them. Like raising herd animals when there there was nowhere near enough plant life to sustain them. Adapt, change, or see your old familiar ways leave you with no goats. Or arable land.

I heard the other night the aquifers to the west will be exhausted by 2012. This echoes my concerns about the end of the Mayan calendar (also 2012). Eek!

1. If the people of the T&C decided to not be a british dependency. the british would allow them to, no problem. Its already been discussed between the Canadian and British gov's.

2. if they did join they would most likely be a territory.

3. most of the people of the islands want to join Canada in some someform or another.

4. Nova Scotia and Newfoundland are on the road to being "have" provinces. So the "have" provinces won't have to support them in the future.

5. All the Canadians that are talking about the Canadian invasion of the US. keep it on the down-low ;) It has to be a suprise. We don't want them to know about our super-secret military bases in the arctic, with the most advanced military equipment on earth......opps i've said to much.....

We were dumbasses to decline them before, so I hope we they ask us again because I know we'd say yes. Imagine, a tropical island where you could use Canadian money!

We were dumbasses to decline them before, so I hope we they ask us again because I know we'd say yes. Imagine, a tropical island where you could use Canadian money!

It beats Shediac hands down. (Sorry, New Brunswick)

You can't even spell Canadians right so why on earth should we treat this thread with any respect, yellow bird on the big blue mountain.

Yours,
Mr. Luxury Yacht (It is spelt Luxury Yacht but is actually pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove)

I heard the other night the aquifers to the west will be exhausted by 2012.
City wells are going dry out here, and the ground is subsiding; flattening the aquifers so that they will NEVER recharge.

I've read a few civil engineering magazines that predict the next wars will be over water.

Lol! I did'nt even notice that :)

Yep, it's time to make the T&C a territory. I'm surprised nobody supported such a measure in the June 28th election.

1: On the issue of water...I lived in the Northwest Territories for the last 3 years, and let me tell you...the Great Lakes got NOTHING on the amount of water up there! Flying over, all you see is kilometres of little fresh water lakes and rivers...there's more water than land! I think the whole Alaskan Pipeline thing is going to be set up so that water would be piped along side the oil...and I'm only sort of joking.

2: On the issue of the Turks and Caicos...the way I've had it explained to me is that they would not JOIN Canada, they would just be a protectorate, like the Bahamas is for Britain. The big issue seems to be taxes, because the TandC don't HAVE any right now. If they joined Canada, they would pay taxes, but as a protectorate, they would not. It would become a great tax haven for Canadians, like the Bahamas is for the Brits. More than anything, it would be a friendship between nations. HOWEVER, one of the concerns is that immigration to Canada may become easier for Turks and Caicos residents, and that raises the spectre of mass immigration to the islands with the idea of using it as a stepping stone to Canada. Oh those Haitians! Since Canada isn't exactly very friendly towards poor immigrants, few of them would actually make it here, and the rest would be stuck in camps on the islands, pining away, and being hated by the locals. So it's tricky.

But tax haven...beautiful beaches...man...7 years ago you could buy a beach lot for $5000 there...now they're going for $500,000! WHERE'S MY TIME MACHINE!

Well Tallaris, you're from Michigan - you of all people should know there's a lot more water in Canada than the Great Lakes. A Helluva lot more.

Yeah I know you guys got a hell of a lot of lakes up that way, but I thought percentage-wise the Great Lakes hold more fresh water than what you guys have up in other lakes. Glaciers maybe, lakes I doubt it. I mean I thought Lake Winnepeg and the lakes around it are fairly shallow for their size. I'm not so sure about others like Great Slave Lake and others up around that way. Definitely a huge lake, but I'm not sure about its depth. Might be shallow like Lake Winnepeg, but what does an American know about that type of stuff ;)

hate to burst your bubble, but per capita, Alberta and BC pay the most - and we receive the least in return...

thats what Cretin (not a sp mistake) called "have" provinces contributing to economic equalization, thats a pile of BS if ever i heard one. Ontario sucks the fat from the land my friend, and the fact that the voter base (which is obviously centralized in Ontario and Quebec) will only forever contribute to this problem and its inherent continuation as well as ensure that the views and needs of people in said provinces are always the first priority. After all, what sane politician would want to turn away voters by helping those who deserve help as oposed to those who want it, and can help in return come re-election time?? I seem to recall a lot of fan fare and support during the blackout, and during the SARS crisis. Why wasnt there a government sponsored rally against the softwood lumber fight that continues to decimate BC's once flush economy? Even the level of help that Alberta recieved during the mad cow crisis was dismal by comparison, in particular when considered the total losses suffered - much much greater, even on a day by day basis, than SARS or the blackout could even come close to. Luckily for Alberta, the oil industry keeps their pockets fat, so the problem was solved provincially. BC on the other hand, has been shit on for the last 15 years by US politicans and their self serving policies, they take our energy, they want our water, they have destroyed our mining and lumber industries, they almost single handedly obliterated the Salmon fishing industry and yet i dont blame the US. The problem is that the Canadian Politicians (who again, are dominantly from Ontario of course) dont want to piss of the states by standing up against the US policies, in particular, because standing up to said policies would cost Ontario, and those within its heavily guarded confines a costly price in the way of poor trade relationships... well then, better to starve the low-vote-populated west than to vex any of the voter-rich east. I know its not Ontarians themselves, and I have no ill will towards them, just please dont refer to Ontario as a "Big Brother" you run the risk of being labeled a "Big Bully".


Well, i think we're being pritty fair, your province has 3 million people, you get 28 seats, our province has 12 million, we get 110 seats. So you say the logical thing to do is to have higher taxes in ontario, so taxes in Alberta...are not so high ? I bet you voted for Klien and Harper ;) Fortess Ontario rocks

Yeah I know you guys got a hell of a lot of lakes up that way, but I thought percentage-wise the Great Lakes hold more fresh water than what you guys have up in other lakes. Glaciers maybe, lakes I doubt it. I mean I thought Lake Winnepeg and the lakes around it are fairly shallow for their size. I'm not so sure about others like Great Slave Lake and others up around that way. Definitely a huge lake, but I'm not sure about its depth. Might be shallow like Lake Winnepeg, but what does an American know about that type of stuff ;)

Dude, find a map that includes bodies of water, I really think you'll be surprised to see just how damn MUCH of Canada is water. The whole country is positively running with the stuff, ha ha.

But it's true, though. Why do you think we have such trouble with blackflies and mosquitoes?

Dude, find a map that includes bodies of water, I really think you'll be surprised to see just how damn MUCH of Canada is water. The whole country is positively running with the stuff, ha ha.

But it's true, though. Why do you think we have such trouble with blackflies and mosquitoes?
Yes, I've seen maps and I know what you are talking about. Please don't jump to such conclusions. I was joking about being a stupid American after all. :rolleyes:

Seriously, precentage-wise how does Canada, minus your portion of the Great Lakes, compare to the Great Lakes. Surface area doesn't matter when you're talking water. Volume does. I mean there's a lake over in Russia named Lake Baikal, which holds more water than all five Great Lakes combined but has a surface area on par with just one of the Great Lakes. If you don't believe me you can check it out:

http://www.baikal.eastsib.ru/baikalfacts/

On an interesting note, the site above says if you drained Lake Baikal, it would take all five Great Lakes to refill it. Also Lake Baikal holds roughly 20% of the world's available surface fresh water, which would also suggest the Great Lakes hold roughly the same amount. If you also consider the percentage of available surface fresh water from the worlds other great lakes and rivers (Such as Lake Victoria, Lake Tanganyika, etc., but not those in Canada ), it means the rest of Canada doesn't hold that much water as the Great Lakes. I mean sure it is has vast amounts of it, but its not even close enough the rival the Great Lakes. Sure there's plently of lakes and rivers over there, but they don't hold that much water. This is because surface DOESN'T equal volume.