NationStates Jolt Archive

1st off I'm a Republican so that should be understood here, but I still have a question. Don't take this as gloating as I'm asking an honest question for the future. I'm not voting as I want to see what democrats think not republicans

Seeing as the Democrat Party has taken a beating in both houses, the Presidency, and the State Houses. I want to wonder what your predictions are.

Will the Democrat Party...

A. Take a run to the left and end up in the obituary pages when they blow off the moderate voters with Soros, Moore, and Moveon.org

B. Take a run to the left and save the party will George Soros and Michael Moore reaching out across the spectrum

C. Re-examine their strategy and make a move to the center and return to the era of Kennedy.

D. Re-examine their strategy, make a move to the center but fail in doing so and lose their identity to be replaced by the Green party

E. Make no changes

F. None of the above or other

F - None of the above.

There is no "Democrat Party". There's a "Democratic Party", but not a "Democrat Party". Therefore, no options are valid.

F - None of the above.

There is no "Democrat Party". There's a "Democratic Party", but not a "Democrat Party". Therefore, no options are valid.
Now see, that's an example of a nitpicky bitch!

Seriously, be less of a dick, and try to be honest. The smart move for the Democrats would be a move to the center. They might actually pull some more votes out of the heartland.

I am hopeful that they will do Option C. But the problem here is that people like JFK, and Clinton comes around every once in a while. The same goes for both sides. We had Clinton, the Republicans had Regan. I think they should re-construct the Democratic party and move towards the center.

I am hopeful that they will do Option C. But the problem here is that people like JFK, and Clinton comes around every once in a while. The same goes for both sides. We had Clinton, the Republicans had Regan. I think they should re-construct the Democratic party and move towards the center.
that is the best move they can make, but they won't make it when you have the Teddy Kennedys and Nancy Pelosi's running the party.

Well, it all depends on 2006's Senate races. That and Hillary's run in 2008. If she is unsucessful, I see the party going towards the middle. What they really need to do is start being nice. Them AND the Republicans.

Now see, that's an example of a nitpicky bitch!

Seriously, be less of a dick, and try to be honest.

Actually, I'm just really f***king sick of people misrepresenting my party's name. And you'll find I'm not alone on this.

Well, it all depends on 2006's Senate races. That and Hillary's run in 2008. If she is unsucessful, I see the party going towards the middle. What they really need to do is start being nice. Them AND the Republicans.

I'm currently praying that Hillary loses in the primaries. I'm not that optimistic. :rolleyes:

C. The stances of the liberal wing of the Democratic party are not ways to win general elections in the US at this time.

Actually, I'm just really f***king sick of people misrepresenting my party's name. And you'll find I'm not alone on this.You certainly aren't.

Well, it all depends on 2006's Senate races. That and Hillary's run in 2008. If she is unsucessful, I see the party going towards the middle. What they really need to do is start being nice. Them AND the Republicans.
It will take another tough loss in the Presidency to move the party over to the center. Hillary will piss off 90% of moderates and running her would be the death spell of the party and make it too late. Parties rise and fall. The last major party to fall was the Whig Party in the late 1840's and it may be time the Democrat party falls if they don't change now. Delaying it only makes the wounds worse. I'm a Republican and I'd like to see a somewhat alive Democrat party as we always need an opposition party for the Republic to work.

I think the party could split. Many of the Democrats would make a run for the left, leaving the rest in the center and not wanting to be identified with the left. The ones in the center the either have to join the Republicans or form thier own party. Personally I think this would be a cool situation if only the Republicans would split too.

G. Pray like the dickens that the fundies move the republicans over to the right even more and allow a Dem sweep in 2012.

I think the party could split. Many of the Democrats would make a run for the left, leaving the rest in the center and not wanting to be identified with the left. The ones in the center the either have to join the Republicans or form thier own party. Personally I think this would be a cool situation if only the Republicans would split too.
I think it has already to a degree happened. Look at Zell Miller, Edward Koch, and possibly Joe Lieberman. There seems to be a split occuring in the moderate end where some are staying and others leaving.

Oh, I forgot to add that the first thing they need to do is change the mascot from a donkey to something else. I mean, who wants to vote for a donkey over an elephant. Change it to an Armadilllo or a tiger or a wallaby or something.

Oh, I forgot to add that the first thing they need to do is change the mascot from a donkey to something else. I mean, who wants to vote for a donkey over an elephant. Change it to an Armadilllo or a tiger or a wallaby or something.

I vote for Tiger!

the democratic party is failing horribly and will be replaced by many independent parties and the republicans will have their reign.

This idea of "the Democrats need to move to the center!" stuff is just the dying embers of the Republican campaign. Such a strategy this time is what got us Kerry this time (and no wonder the talking heads of the Right would keep advising it)- we picked a guy who wouldn't offend, who would play nice, and who wouldn't ring with most, but would at least be easy to swallow...or so they hoped. There was no fire. They'd do well to go back to the left and stand for something again.

I think it has already to a degree happened. Look at Zell Miller, Edward Koch, and possibly Joe Lieberman. There seems to be a split occuring in the moderate end where some are staying and others leaving.

The only thing that makes those people "moderate" is that they still carry a "D" next to their names. Is your idea of political parties that they are divided at the "moderate" area, with no bleeding over occuring?

The only thing that makes those people "moderate" is that they still carry a "D" next to their names. Is your idea of political parties that they are divided at the "moderate" area, with no bleeding over occuring?
You have some bleeding, an example on the Republicans is McCain. He is a moderate Republican. The Democrats are having it on a wider scale and it is hurting them.

Being moderate is not what got them Kerry. If they wanted to be moderate they'd go with Gephardt. Kerry is ultra-liberal and that hurt them. Gephardt would easily win the Mid-west and Ohio.

You have some bleeding, an example on the Republicans is McCain. He is a moderate Republican. The Democrats are having it on a wider scale and it is hurting them.

Being moderate is not what got them Kerry. If they wanted to be moderate they'd go with Gephardt. Kerry is ultra-liberal and that hurt them. Gephardt would easily win the Mid-west and Ohio.

Gee, where was that "ultra-liberalism" in the campaign? Oh, that's right, it wasn't there. Kerry was quite middle-of-the-road, especially compared to the other candidates, who were rejected as too angry, too leftist, and so forth.

Gee, where was that "ultra-liberalism" in the campaign? Oh, that's right, it wasn't there. Kerry was quite middle-of-the-road, especially compared to the other candidates, who were rejected as too angry, too leftist, and so forth.
Kerry's voting record was ultra-left (rated most liberal in US Senate and voting with Ted Kennedy 96% of the time)

He supported a nuclear freeze, defense cuts, cuts to intelligence, raising taxes on income and other things like gas, and his healthcare plan.

These are just some examples, but we are beating a dead horse here. If they selected someone who was more moderate like Gephardt, they'd win.

Kerry's voting record was ultra-left (rated most liberal in US Senate and voting with Ted Kennedy 96% of the time)

He supported a nuclear freeze, defense cuts, cuts to intelligence, raising taxes on income and other things like gas, and his healthcare plan.

These are just some examples, but we are beating a dead horse here. If they selected someone who was more moderate like Gephardt, they'd win.

His record said a lot of things, depending on who was describing it. His platform was not ultra-liberal, so it's not a matter of being too liberal. They catered to the center, and ended up standing for no one. They lost for this. I can;t blame the Republicans for trying to convince people of such things as what this thread proposes, though. "Yeah, lean more in our direction! It'll help you, and absolutely doesn;t serve our purposes!" It's very transparent, and the kind of thing I;ve come to expect, having watched this last campaign.

Kerry's voting record was ultra-left (rated most liberal in US Senate and voting with Ted Kennedy 96% of the time)

He supported a nuclear freeze, defense cuts, cuts to intelligence, raising taxes on income and other things like gas, and his healthcare plan.

These are just some examples, but we are beating a dead horse here. If they selected someone who was more moderate like Gephardt, they'd win.

If you really believe that those issues are "ultra-left" then Clinton must have been like fucking Lenin or something. Kerry very very moderate, too moderate for it's own good.

Being moderate doesn't win elections, you can ask that to George W. Bush. He's by no means moderate, and his vice-president is as close to the extreme right as you can be without being called a racist and a nazi. And they still won the election.

So, what next for the Democratic Party? they'll just sit back and watch the republicans implode by their own ineptitude as they will become more extreme with the power they won in this election and will force the people to go for anything but them.

So I say Hillary Clinton will be the first woman to become president in the history of the US in 2008. The only way the republicans will avoid this from happening is with John McCain, but by 2008 they'll be too radical and that will cost them the election.