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a special place for all us bush supporters. please post, and if you're anti bush, please keep it decent.

I suppose you could characterize me as a "Bush supporter," since I voted for him. But I've never been a rabid fan of either him, or of his father when he was President. This time, I simply couldn't stomach the idea of an amoral opportunist who had built his political career on bashing Vietnam veterans, of whom I am one.

*smiles*
I think you'll get about 10 posts. 8 will be from people writing stuff like

OMGHOWCOULDYOUSUPPORTBUSHOMG! HESATHREATTOTHEWORLDASWEKNOWITOURLIVESAREATANEND!

I, for one, would have voted for Kerry (underage), but can live with Bush. And at least his election was more or less above doubt this time.

i dunno why the heck they brought up vietnam this election. god. let it go.

i dunno why the heck they brought up vietnam. god. let it go.

Who? Me? Now I CAN "let it go," since Kerry is no longer a viable political figure.

Had I been of age I, too, would have voted Kerry; but only because I'm in a battleground state (PA). If I had lived in a pretty much decided state I would have most definately voted third party this year.

However I'm glad, as well, that Bush had a clear victory this year. I simply did not support him in the position he held for the past four years, and now I feel that personally I can begin to see some honour come back to the Presidential title. It's good to know that we again have a President the people actually elected.



(Please forgive any incoherencies in this post--I'm rather sleep-deprived.)

*smiles*
I think you'll get about 10 posts. 8 will be from people writing stuff like

OMGHOWCOULDYOUSUPPORTBUSHOMG! HESATHREATTOTHEWORLDASWEKNOWITOURLIVESAREATANEND!

I, for one, would have voted for Kerry (underage), but can live with Bush. And at least his election was more or less above doubt this time.

lol. today i was told by my friend that shiela jackson lee would make a good president. god, she can't even say terrorism right. TERRORISN! TERRORISN!

Who? Me? Now I CAN "let it go," since Kerry is no longer a viable political figure.yea, my post was vague, i changed it. i meant in this election

I'm a little confused... kerry *was* a vietnam veteran, the only thing i heard about his talk concerning veterans was his asking the committee "how can you ask a man to be the last to die for a mistake" or something like that.... which seems more to be concerning the mistake that was vietnam, not saying that the soldiers involved weren't good people. The only vietnam vet that i know agrees that vietnam was a bad idea.

Total. Republican. Domination.

That's what happened. We dethroned Daschle, picked up Senate and House seats, and got Bush in again.

i notice all the other country critisize the U.S. but they never really look for the problems within their own countries. we should all follow bismarck's real politik, every country mind their own damn buisness!!!!

Yay! A place for us to hang out!

Of course, "Bushies" are the minority on these forums, so we'd better keep low. If a flaming Liberal comes, run away!

The Empire of Presidency prefers the term shrub supporter.

Dang, I didn't think there *were* any other Bush supporters on these boards. I've been looking at these boards for weeks now searching... searching... what a breath of fresh air! I, for one, was greatly relieved to find that the US people came out in record numbers and showed their true selves - not some liberal-media-slanted poll. Yes!!

I don't understand why being a "liberal" and speaking out against Vietnam were the two biggest knocks against Kerry. In Canada, that would automatically make you a favourite to get elected.

Voted for kerry, but I pretty much knew W would win. France is probably deeply saddened that their canidate lost last night. I'm a democrat, not a frenchy..I'm kinda glad kerry didn't win.

According to Drudge, the newspapers out of Europe are just blatantly, absurdly off the edge with anger right now... why is Europe taking this so personally? They still elect their own leaders, don't they? Blair's up next.. I think he'll win, but the British will have their say.. why the anger? It's not like Bush is going to change their election...

Had I been of age I, too, would have voted Kerry; but only because I'm in a battleground state (PA). If I had lived in a pretty much decided state I would have most definately voted third party this year.


Heh, I'm from Ohio and I voted Nader.

I'm not really so much a supporter of Bush as much as I'm an anti-Kerry. I would have liked to see someone else in office so we could get on better standing with the rest of the world, but I was quite sure that Kerry wouldn't help that at all. Thus....Nader's my man.

According to Drudge, the newspapers out of Europe are just blatantly, absurdly off the edge with anger right now... why is Europe taking this so personally? They still elect their own leaders, don't they? Blair's up next.. I think he'll win, but the British will have their say.. why the anger? It's not like Bush is going to change their election...

first australia, then the US, and hopefully britian!! for all the crap we conservatives get, the countries are deciding in our favor.... hmmmm...

Interesting facts about this election:
- Highest voter turnout since 1968
- Bush has the highest number of votes (51 million) ever recorded in an American election
- Bush also is the first president since 1988 to have more than 50% of the popular vote (51 1/4%)


Just some cool facts. Now, as for Daschle, I was shocked. I mean, you never, ever hear of such a powerful incumbent getting ousted like that. It's cool, but still unexpected.

It was a good race, and I liked how Florida was won by about 321,000 votes this time, rather than about 200 like in 2000 (200 votes was what MSNBC, ABC, and Fox all had down as the number of votes Bush took Florida by in 2000). Ohio was close, but still about a 136,000 vote difference, at least before they started counting the provisional votes. All in all, a good race, and Kerry was not nearly as much of a jerk about losing as Gore was. No lawsuits, everything conducted in a very gentlemanly manner. I was happy with it.

But wow, Jim Demint and Inez Tenenbaum. That was the most vicious election squabble in the country, IMHO. I'm glad DeMint won, but then in his victory speech he just had to take a parting shot at Tenenbaum. And of course, he said "strategery". Him and that terrible foot-in-mouth disease...





Go Bush!

Vietnam veterans, of whom I am one.

Fruitcake!

We all know that you try to sell yourself as a Viet vet on NS and we all know that you aren't one. If not you would have respect for people that wone a purple hart. (are you so jalouse that a coward like you did not have one like the real Vets?).

Jezus, your life must so empty to try to get yourself passed as a real Vietnam Vet.

No problem with real republicans but problems are liars like you that never served in Nam.

*smiles*
I think you'll get about 10 posts. 8 will be from people writing stuff like

OMGHOWCOULDYOUSUPPORTBUSHOMG! HESATHREATTOTHEWORLDASWEKNOWITOURLIVESAREATANEND!

I, for one, would have voted for Kerry (underage), but can live with Bush. And at least his election was more or less above doubt this time.

Thank god your life is at an end and you won't waste anymore resources like Alex Baldwin does.

Hoorah! Bush is in again. We our a minority on this forum... or are we? We shall see, now that the election is over, some people could just be going with the wind... kind of like Kerry's opinion (madblast.com) (political rahapsody) very funny. Either way, as the minority we must fight with bravery! Like our American forefathers fighting against innumerable odds (revolutionary war) we shall conquer all flamers! Anyways, all day, to every passerby I said "Rejoice! Bush won the election" (I got very strange looks from some kids...)

Hoorah! Bush is in again. We our a minority on this forum... or are we? We shall see, now that the election is over, some people could just be going with the wind... kind of like Kerry's opinion (madblast.com) (political rahapsody) very funny. Either way, as the minority we must fight with bravery! Like our American forefathers fighting against innumerable odds (revolutionary war) we shall conquer all flamers! Anyways, all day, to every passerby I said "Rejoice! Bush won the election" (I got very strange looks from some kids...)

nice zeal

Fruitcake!

We all know that you try to sell yourself as a Viet vet on NS and we all know that you aren't one. If not you would have respect for people that wone a purple hart. (are you so jalouse that a coward like you did not have one like the real Vets?).

Jezus, your life must so empty to try to get yourself passed as a real Vietnam Vet.

No problem with real republicans but problems are liars like you that never served in Nam.

Mmm... just so you know... Kerry got a purple heart (learn to spell!!!) for A: a papercut B: needed a band-aid C: shot himself with a mortar. Is that someone who deserves respect? Sure, but not when he uses his hearts to get votes... and you have no clue if he is a veteran from Vietnam so... just... still your tounge, before I cut it out filthy peasant!

Yes, I have a habit of calling people peasants if they have no common sense... sorry if it offends anyone.

i notice all the other country critisize the U.S. but they never really look for the problems within their own countries.

either does U.S.

on the contrary U.S. keeps invading other countries while their own people live without proper health care and education (except those who can afford it)

Ox,

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370565

Anyways, all day, to every passerby I said "Rejoice! Bush won the election" (I got very strange looks from some kids...)

Way to go! Nearly everyone in my office was for Bush so we were celebrating all day.

Mmm... complete Kerry supporter... (unconcern)

Yes! Great to see other people celebrating too.

http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/watch-video.asp

I don't know the authenticity of this, but if this is true, it's a really scary thought and you would question Kerry's credibility on supporting our troops.

But people can change as time goes by, granted, but to know someone who would backstab their own troops in Iraq calling them 'Rapist, murderers etc etc.' Thats going too far.

:mad: i am pissed at the country. I am a raging liberal. I am pissed at the republican scare tactics and voter intimidation that cost us this election.
For the record, when i say raging liberal i am not a centrist like kerry, actually he is quite middle of the road. I am an anarcho-socialist. I simply thought this board needed someone to present the opposite point of view, just to keep things sane. I have three reasonable questions i would be interested to have answered. I like to debate using the Socratic method, hence the questions. Please answer the questions before asking me questions, or answer with questions. dont change the topic without first blocking my punches as it were. I dont want a heated argument, as this is a board for bush supporters, i just think a few statements need checking.

A. How can you claim the media is liberal bias when all major media outlets are owned by republican leaning corporations that donated millions to Bush's campaign?
B How can you say kerry is anti vietnam veterans, when he is one, and he is trying to raise veterans benefits? (bush cut them)
C What is your reasoning that kerry would hurt our foreign policy?
D How do you respond to Bush's overflow of negative ads and gigantic war chest - from corporate donations - is this fair? is it just? does it create conflict of interest? there is no doubt that without that war chest he never would have won.
E Further more how can you claim that the polls are liberal slanted when gallup basically auctions poll results, and the poll results have spent equal time favoring both candidates throughout this race?
F What about Diebold voting machines?
G think about all the out of state money the republicans poured into the race against Daschle because they were so scared of him.
(okay more than three sorry)

I realize you are going to flame me, i dont particularly care. at the moment i am most worried about how the world is going to hell in a handbasked at the majority of america seems to not care :( :confused: Again, not trying to create animosity, just trying to give yall something to think about. feel free to do the same to me. Telegram me even if you have something thoughtful and intelligent to say. I always relish open and enlightening conversation.

Have a nice day

PS i am also very tired please excuse any confused sentences in my post. I watched the whole election and havent slept in 38 hours.

Strong Bush supporter here. I'm glad we won again. It looks like a good 4 years ahead

let's not be doin' any flaming in here, keep it civil repubs and demos alike

Strong Bush supporter here. I'm glad we won again. It looks like a good 4 years ahead

Good?
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Well. I suppose if Osama kills some more American's... I might start caring again if it reaches 10,000 for a death toll. Y'know, something around the amount of Iraqi's they've killed.

as for what viking said about the world going to hell in a handbasket... i dunno... i think he might be right, when i think about it, i get a sickening feeling in my stomach. but i think it comes from the almost fanatical hatred some party members have to others. i'm not saying unite and be happy little socialists, i'm saying this is america, were our elections bring a new leader (our keep the current one) without guns, territory and violence.

Good?
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Well. I suppose if Osama kills some more American's... I might start caring again if it reaches 10,000 for a death toll. Y'know, something around the amount of Iraqi's they've killed.
are you saying it'd be GOOD for osama to kill 10 thousand americans? if so, of what nationality are you, please

B How can you say kerry is anti vietnam veterans, when he is one, and he is trying to raise veterans benefits? (bush cut them)
Bush has greatly increased spending for the Department of Veterans affairs.

E Further more how can you claim that the polls are liberal slanted when gallup basically auctions poll results, and the poll results have spent equal time favoring both candidates throughout this race?
Probably the mysterious exit polls that showed Kerry would win almost every swing state and sweep Bush, when in the end the exit polls showed a large bias towards the Democrats.

F What about Diebold voting machines?
What about them?

:mad: i am pissed at the country. I am a raging liberal. I am pissed at the republican scare tactics and voter intimidation that cost us this election.
For the record, when i say raging liberal i am not a centrist like kerry, actually he is quite middle of the road. I am an anarcho-socialist. I simply thought this board needed someone to present the opposite point of view, just to keep things sane. I have three reasonable questions i would be interested to have answered. I like to debate using the Socratic method, hence the questions. Please answer the questions before asking me questions, or answer with questions. dont change the topic without first blocking my punches as it were. I dont want a heated argument, as this is a board for bush supporters, i just think a few statements need checking.

A. How can you claim the media is liberal bias when all major media outlets are owned by republican leaning corporations that donated millions to Bush's campaign?
B How can you say kerry is anti vietnam veterans, when he is one, and he is trying to raise veterans benefits? (bush cut them)
C What is your reasoning that kerry would hurt our foreign policy?
D How do you respond to Bush's overflow of negative ads and gigantic war chest - from corporate donations - is this fair? is it just? does it create conflict of interest? there is no doubt that without that war chest he never would have won.
E Further more how can you claim that the polls are liberal slanted when gallup basically auctions poll results, and the poll results have spent equal time favoring both candidates throughout this race?
F What about Diebold voting machines?
G think about all the out of state money the republicans poured into the race against Daschle because they were so scared of him.
(okay more than three sorry)

I realize you are going to flame me, i dont particularly care. at the moment i am most worried about how the world is going to hell in a handbasked at the majority of america seems to not care :( :confused: Again, not trying to create animosity, just trying to give yall something to think about. feel free to do the same to me. Telegram me even if you have something thoughtful and intelligent to say. I always relish open and enlightening conversation.

Have a nice day

PS i am also very tired please excuse any confused sentences in my post. I watched the whole election and havent slept in 38 hours.


Please sir, have a nice night and get some sleep, fight another day.

thank you kwangistar, i didn't have the energy to answer those questions

:) *cheering for bush* :)

Strong Bush supporter here. I'm glad we won again. It looks like a good 4 years ahead

Again? Bush never won the first "election," the Supreme Court decided.

I'm underage, but I would have voted for Kerry...Bush's Bible-thumping and anti-abortion, gay, and women's rights position scares me too much for me to want him to win. But now that Bush has won, we all need to rally behind him and unite the country.

On CNN during the election, they said something meaningful:

"I will support whoever wins, even if I didn't vote for him. I will question whover wins, even if I did vote for him."

I'll leave you with that. ;)

keep it up repubs, our voice isn't heard enough in these forums.

hay guyz, i heer that that there bush is dum

hur hur

No, seriously, I don't think there would be that much difference between Bush and Kerry. Both are rich white men, and hella nods were made towards the undecided voters on things that are usually key democrat/republican issues.

While I don't support Bush, I do recognize the fact that intelligent people voted for Bush for valid reasons, and that stupid teenagers voted for Kerry because MTV told them too.

And the other way around, of course.

Again? Bush never won the first "election," the Supreme Court decided.

I'm underage, but I would have voted for Kerry...Bush's Bible-thumping and anti-abortion, gay, and women's rights position scares me too much for me to want him to win. But now that Bush has won, we all need to rally behind him and unite the country.

On CNN during the election, they said something meaningful:

"I will support whoever wins, even if I didn't vote for him. I will question whover wins, even if I did vote for him."

I'll leave you with that. ;)

a damn good post ^

a special place for all us bush supporters. please post, and if you're anti bush, please keep it decent.

couldn't help this...I sure wish a lot of you Bush supporters would respect US LIBERALS in OUR threads....that is all I have to say.

(back to lurk mode)

Again? Bush never won the first "election," the Supreme Court decided.


When people did the recount under normal standards, statewide or just the four-county one, Bush consistently won.

I don't understand why being a "liberal" and speaking out against Vietnam were the two biggest knocks against Kerry. In Canada, that would automatically make you a favourite to get elected.

Got any more room up there, eh?

I'll let you guys in on a little secret. I voted for George Bush too. Please don't tell Teresa because she will get mad and well, it could get ugly. Oh and don't tell my master Jacques Chirac. I'm hoping to get a job cleaning his toilets.

keep it decent now, kerry did a patriotic thing, not putting us through another 2000. that's the last thing our country needs

I'd like to congratulate my Ohioan self for helping to re-elect George W. Bush to the presidency of the US, and that my votes to support George Voinovich for the Senate and Ralph Regula for the House.

keep it decent now, kerry did a patriotic thing, not putting us through another 2000. that's the last thing our country needs


He did

I'd like to congratulate my Ohioan self for helping to re-elect George W. Bush to the presidency of the US, and that my votes to support George Voinovich for the Senate and Ralph Regula for the House.

i like how you ohioans gave that british newspaper your finger when they sent you those telegrams. pro monroe doctrine, here

keep it decent now, kerry did a patriotic thing, not putting us through another 2000. that's the last thing our country needs

But I'll bet if KERRY had won, BUSH wouldn't have conceded peacefully....

But I'll bet if KERRY had won, BUSH wouldn't have conceded peacefully....

and what would be your proof?

The funny thing about Ohio is that Bush won by a larger margin than Kerry did in Pennsylvania, yet PA was called sometime before 11 while Ohio was something two networks called very late at night and the rest didn't until Kerry conceded.

But I'll bet if KERRY had won, BUSH wouldn't have conceded peacefully....

Keeping it decent remember? I am sorry some conservatives flame your forums, but that doesn't mean it was any of us .

Keeping it decent remember? I am sorry some conservatives flame your forums, but that doesn't mean it was any of us .

i dunno... i don't think that was flaming, but wouldn't it be cool if humans had wings we oculd fly on?

Not exactly flaming, at least in the only forms that get reprimanded fairly. Still, all caps usually mean anger... and it is disrespecting Bush... without reason I can see... flaming is basically disrespecting...

Not exactly flaming, at least in the only forms that get reprimanded fairly. Still, all caps usually mean anger... and it is disrespecting Bush... without reason I can see... flaming is basically disrespecting...
i see your point, but it brings up tought. republicans, for the most part, have been civil these last 4 years while democrats, for the most part, have been throwing intense bombs of hate and contagion. i was wondering if we lost, would repubs act the same? and i wasn't old enough to be interested in politics during clinton's years, so i have no frame of reference. after all i'm only 16

:mad: i am pissed at the country. I am a raging liberal. I am pissed at the republican scare tactics and voter intimidation that cost us this election.
For the record, when i say raging liberal i am not a centrist like kerry, actually he is quite middle of the road. I am an anarcho-socialist. I simply thought this board needed someone to present the opposite point of view, just to keep things sane. I have three reasonable questions i would be interested to have answered. I like to debate using the Socratic method, hence the questions. Please answer the questions before asking me questions, or answer with questions. dont change the topic without first blocking my punches as it were. I dont want a heated argument, as this is a board for bush supporters, i just think a few statements need checking.

A. How can you claim the media is liberal bias when all major media outlets are owned by republican leaning corporations that donated millions to Bush's campaign?
B How can you say kerry is anti vietnam veterans, when he is one, and he is trying to raise veterans benefits? (bush cut them)
C What is your reasoning that kerry would hurt our foreign policy?
D How do you respond to Bush's overflow of negative ads and gigantic war chest - from corporate donations - is this fair? is it just? does it create conflict of interest? there is no doubt that without that war chest he never would have won.
E Further more how can you claim that the polls are liberal slanted when gallup basically auctions poll results, and the poll results have spent equal time favoring both candidates throughout this race?
F What about Diebold voting machines?
G think about all the out of state money the republicans poured into the race against Daschle because they were so scared of him.
(okay more than three sorry)

I realize you are going to flame me, i dont particularly care. at the moment i am most worried about how the world is going to hell in a handbasked at the majority of america seems to not care :( :confused: Again, not trying to create animosity, just trying to give yall something to think about. feel free to do the same to me. Telegram me even if you have something thoughtful and intelligent to say. I always relish open and enlightening conversation.

Have a nice day

PS i am also very tired please excuse any confused sentences in my post. I watched the whole election and havent slept in 38 hours.

I don't understand how you can be pissed at a country that has come out in record numbers in this election. I am quite proud of this country for caring - there has been too much apathy in elections prior. As for your claims of republican scare tactics and intimidation - ludicrous. The republicans won the presidential election (and other elections) because the majority of voters wanted them in those positions. I will answer the questions as I can - but I am just a citizen - not an expert. Any help from those with more information would be greatly appreciated!

Liberal media question - I hate to give a website, but dang, I can't explain it the way these other people do. Don't want to go to just this one I found? Just do a search for it - you'll see examples of it all over the place. www.gargaro.com/bias.html
Vietnam question - I think this is because he protested and accused vietnam vets of "atrocities" back in 1971
Foreign policy - I think Bush is doing a very competent job, I don't know what Kerry would have done
War chest & ads - that must have been in another part of the country. I never once saw an ad paid for by Bush For President (though I did watch the debates!)
Liberal polls - I never heard (except on FoxNews) a favorable poll for Bush. Even if Bush were in the lead on a poll, the other networks would exclaim over how Kerry was gaining momentum, etc.
Don't know about Diebold voting machines - we drew on paper
And I'm clueless about the "conspiracy" to oust Daschle.

Now, what exactly is an anarcho-socialist? (or whatever you called yourself) What do you actually stand for/believe in? I am conservative because that reflects my values - I feel that the "insanity" isn't with the conservatives, but with the "raging liberals" who want to go to extremes. I'm obviously not flaming you, but I also have no idea how the issues that are the foundation for extreme liberals can be promoted. Ok, enough from me.

A. How can you claim the media is liberal bias when all major media outlets are owned by republican leaning corporations that donated millions to Bush's campaign?
Viacom (CBS, MTV, Etc.) donated a lot of money to Kerry, supported him, and actively biased their coverage for Kerry (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200409%5CNAT20040924a.html)
D How do you respond to Bush's overflow of negative ads and gigantic war chest - from corporate donations - is this fair? is it just? does it create conflict of interest? there is no doubt that without that war chest he never would have won.
...and Kerry receives nothing from the big bad corporations right?... But then again AOL Time Warner, Goldman Sachs, Microsoft Corp, Citigroup Inc, UBS Americas, JP Morgan Chase & Co, Morgan Stanley, IBM Corp, Viacom Inc, Piper Rudnick LLP, Bank of America, etc. (http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00000245&cycle=2004) Are not corporations right?

*I voted for Kerry because I didn't want to see the Neo-cons still in the White House continuing their reckless ideological driven adventurist policies. Hopefully this will encourage Bush to be more responsible with funds and policy (and hopefully get rid on the Neo-con advisors). I am still pissed at the Anti-Voinovich attacks (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/video/strong-allies-script.php).

Story behind it:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/24/politics/main550913.shtml

well i'm out guys, off to bed. but please do like i have done, make a conservative thread!! we gotta keep these liberals and foreigners in line ;) .
:gundge: is this guy ejaculating or something?

I don't understand how you can be pissed at a country that has come out in record numbers in this election. I am quite proud of this country for caring - there has been too much apathy in elections prior. As for your claims of republican scare tactics and intimidation - ludicrous. The republicans won the presidential election (and other elections) because the majority of voters wanted them in those positions. I will answer the questions as I can - but I am just a citizen - not an expert. Any help from those with more information would be greatly appreciated!

Liberal media question - I hate to give a website, but dang, I can't explain it the way these other people do. Don't want to go to just this one I found? Just do a search for it - you'll see examples of it all over the place. www.gargaro.com/bias.html
Vietnam question - I think this is because he protested and accused vietnam vets of "atrocities" back in 1971
Foreign policy - I think Bush is doing a very competent job, I don't know what Kerry would have done
War chest & ads - that must have been in another part of the country. I never once saw an ad paid for by Bush For President (though I did watch the debates!)
Liberal polls - I never heard (except on FoxNews) a favorable poll for Bush. Even if Bush were in the lead on a poll, the other networks would exclaim over how Kerry was gaining momentum, etc.
Don't know about Diebold voting machines - we drew on paper
And I'm clueless about the "conspiracy" to oust Daschle.

Now, what exactly is an anarcho-socialist? (or whatever you called yourself) What do you actually stand for/believe in? I am conservative because that reflects my values - I feel that the "insanity" isn't with the conservatives, but with the "raging liberals" who want to go to extremes. I'm obviously not flaming you, but I also have no idea how the issues that are the foundation for extreme liberals can be promoted. Ok, enough from me.


Another issue you can add: Hunting/firearms

The Democrats learned the hard way that gun control issues hurt at the polls. Kerry tried to make himself out to be a hunter and pro-2nd amendment. His voting record and "hunting trips" made him out to be a fool on that issue.

Another issue you can add: Hunting/firearms

The Democrats learned the hard way that gun control issues hurt at the polls. Kerry tried to make himself out to be a hunter and pro-2nd amendment. His voting record and "hunting trips" made him out to be a fool on that issue.
And believe me, I am thrilled that the winning party consists greatly of average American men like me who actually know how to kill, clean, and cook their own food, rather than having to buy it from Mickey D's. Thank God for that...


By the way, Ducks Unlimited meetings are the biggest parties you will ever attend.

Fruitcake!

We all know that you try to sell yourself as a Viet vet on NS and we all know that you aren't one. If not you would have respect for people that wone a purple hart. (are you so jalouse that a coward like you did not have one like the real Vets?).

Jezus, your life must so empty to try to get yourself passed as a real Vietnam Vet.

No problem with real republicans but problems are liars like you that never served in Nam.

Well actually, it turns out that YOU are the liar.

I had two years in Vietnam, from SEP67 to SEP69, which you would know as fact had you bothered to ever check out the URL I have repeatedly posted.

Whether you choose to believe that or not is totally irrelevant. I have respect for people who EARNED a Purple Heart, not for those who either faked being wounded or deliberately faked a wound as Kerry most probably did. If you had even a second-hand knowledge about the requirements for being awarded the Purple Heart, you would know that is the only award a service member receives who loses an arm or a leg. To fake a wound or to deliberately self-inflict one is a Court Martial offense.

I feel sorry for you that you can't discern the difference.

I'm so incredibly tired of asking people to play nicely. What is it about intelligent people who get behind a monitor and think they own the world?

Everyone - just cut it out.

Fruitcake!

We all know that you try to sell yourself as a Viet vet on NS and we all know that you aren't one. If not you would have respect for people that wone a purple hart. (are you so jalouse that a coward like you did not have one like the real Vets?).

Jezus, your life must so empty to try to get yourself passed as a real Vietnam Vet.

No problem with real republicans but problems are liars like you that never served in Nam.More flaming, any more like this and you'll be facing a forumban.

Unfree People
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I'm so incredibly tired of asking people to play nicely. What is it about intelligent people who get behind a monitor and think they own the world?

Everyone - just cut it out.

More flaming, any more like this and you'll be facing a forumban.

Unfree People
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I consider this an insufficient response. This individual has impuned my honesty and my honor. Please tell me what the next step should be and to whom I should address my complaint.

Bump

I'm a Bush Supporter. And any liberals that think us republican's use bad tactics, don't be so innocent. Both parties can and are very nasty in these modern times. Just the way politics works in America I guess.

Voted for Bush. Thank God Almighty he won. He actually got the Jewish and Latino vote. Times a'changing. :)

The funny thing about Ohio is that Bush won by a larger margin than Kerry did in Pennsylvania, yet PA was called sometime before 11 while Ohio was something two networks called very late at night and the rest didn't until Kerry conceded.

That's because a large amount of the votes hadn't been counted until the morning... That's what I remember anyway.

i notice all the other country critisize the U.S. but they never really look for the problems within their own countries. we should all follow bismarck's real politik, every country mind their own damn buisness!!!!
I know this is kinda far back to be quoting, but I have to ditto that. In France people of all religions have lost their freedom to express their beliefs publicly, and in Sweden a minister is on trial for publishing his thoughts on homosexuality, yet Europe looks at us and says we have problems. We've showed that we, the people, have the power and not Hollywood and the media and activist judges. And we decide what happens in our country! Fix the problems in your own country and then come back to us.

and am very proud of it.

I am Santa- Nita, Havaii
and Heck Hell the same.

I know this is kinda far back to be quoting, but I have to ditto that. In France people of all religions have lost their freedom to express their beliefs publicly, and in Sweden a minister is on trial for publishing his thoughts on homosexuality, yet Europe looks at us and says we have problems. We've showed that we, the people, have the power and not Hollywood and the media and activist judges. And we decide what happens in our country! Fix the problems in your own country and then come back to us.

yes indeed, it's amazing that a country stemming from angry farmers would grow to be more powerful than just about any other combination of european nations. god help us if the welsh farmers revolt, there'd be no stopping them, the civilized world would be doomed

yes, i am attempting to bring this thread back to life, maybe it will work

i see your point, but it brings up tought. republicans, for the most part, have been civil these last 4 years while democrats, for the most part, have been throwing intense bombs of hate and contagion. i was wondering if we lost, would repubs act the same? and i wasn't old enough to be interested in politics during clinton's years, so i have no frame of reference. after all i'm only 16

Oh, believe me, the bombs of hate were coming in hard and heavy from you guys from 1992-2000...you guys dogged Clinton for his entire Presidency, went on a fishing expedition, and in the end could only come up with a tawdry affair by which y'all sought to impeach him...and even after his Presidency ended y'all STILL couldn't just leave him alone.

Look, if y'all Republicans were not so hostile to everyone who isn't white, Christian, male, upper class...maybe I would feel differently. But I feel the right wing is completely diametrically opposed to my interests and concerns, they have all but openly declared WAR on me, and people like me (average working-class folks) and I am sorry, but I bitterly hate Republicans for all they stand for.

what I fail to understand is why so many people willingly vote for economic serfdom, all over a bunch of issues that REALLY DON'T MATTER in the greater scheme of things, in particular, abortion and gays. Well, how does it negatively impact you if John is allowed to visit his life partner, Steve, with whom he has been manogamous for 30 plus years...whom he deeply loves (whether or not you approve of that relationship is immaterial) How does it hurt you if Steve is allowed, when he dies, to pass on his worldly goods to his life partner, John...free of taxes, just as any other man would be able to pass on his goods, tax-free to his wife...even if they'd only been married for two friggin' days??
I mean COME ON!!! Why do you guys so concern yourselves with the actions and life choices of other people...and vote to your own (and our) economic detriment, just so that a bunch of people who think "daddy knows best" will stop those horrible gays from enjoying the same rights and privileges that you take for granted??

I'm sorry, but I just do not understand this.

Maybe one of you would be kind enough to explain it to me.

On a closing note...
I used to live in Pennsylvania, and TWICE voted for Republican Senator Arlen Spector...because HE is a Republican I can respect. Not a neo-con that wants to control every aspect of my life, who wants to invade my bedroom...and take away my overtime pay!!
This man, Senator Spector, is one of few Republicans I deem worthy of respect. I have nothing but comtempt for the neo-cons...who seem to be the entire Republican Party anymore!

Oh, believe me, the bombs of hate were coming in hard and heavy from you guys from 1992-2000...you guys dogged Clinton for his entire Presidency, went on a fishing expedition, and in the end could only come up with a tawdry affair by which y'all sought to impeach him...and even after his Presidency ended y'all STILL couldn't just leave him alone.

Look, if y'all Republicans were not so hostile to everyone who isn't white, Christian, male, upper class...maybe I would feel differently. But I feel the right wing is completely diametrically opposed to my interests and concerns, they have all but openly declared WAR on me, and people like me (average working-class folks) and I am sorry, but I bitterly hate Republicans for all they stand for.

what I fail to understand is why so many people willingly vote for economic serfdom, all over a bunch of issues that REALLY DON'T MATTER in the greater scheme of things, in particular, abortion and gays. Well, how does it negatively impact you if John is allowed to visit his life partner, Steve, with whom he has been manogamous for 30 plus years...whom he deeply loves (whether or not you approve of that relationship is immaterial) How does it hurt you if Steve is allowed, when he dies, to pass on his worldly goods to his life partner, John...free of taxes, just as any other man would be able to pass on his goods, tax-free to his wife...even if they'd only been married for two friggin' days??
I mean COME ON!!! Why do you guys so concern yourselves with the actions and life choices of other people...and vote to your own (and our) economic detriment, just so that a bunch of people who think "daddy knows best" will stop those horrible gays from enjoying the same rights and privileges that you take for granted??

I'm sorry, but I just do not understand this.

Maybe one of you would be kind enough to explain it to me.

On a closing note...
I used to live in Pennsylvania, and TWICE voted for Republican Senator Arlen Spector...because HE is a Republican I can respect. Not a neo-con that wants to control every aspect of my life, who wants to invade my bedroom...and take away my overtime pay!!
This man, Senator Spector, is one of few Republicans I deem worthy of respect. I have nothing but comtempt for the neo-cons...who seem to be the entire Republican Party anymore!

The problem is nationalism. Nationalists are those who blindly follow whoever is in power, whether it's good or not, Patriots are the ones who will seek the best course for the country, even if the majority doesn't think so.
It was Nationalists who wanted to stay under British rule before and during the American Revolutionary War, George Washington was (and still is) considered one of the Nation's greatest Patriots and probably one of Britain's greatest rebels.

I also seem to remember a speech in which Vice President Dick Cheney said something along the lines of 'If you elect John Kerry, you face the danger that we will get hit again', and completely using the war in Iraq (would someone please give me three reasons for it that apply specifically to Iraq?) to "prove" to the people that he's fighting terrorism (no conclusive link shown yet, and if you want to say that terrorists lived there, they obviously lived here too).

I would also like to know where the watchdogs are for this administration. (Maybe they were declared terrorists under the unconstitutional Patriot Act)

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041108&s=facts

I would ask you all to read this through, it's 100 things the current administration has done, completely supported. Of course I almost fully expect a couple of people to dismiss it immediately as propaganda, despite the supporting evidence.