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Wheather it happens or not I have no idea and this isn't an argument abouth that. I am just here to inform my fellow Americans that if and when the time comes there are several time tested ways to dodge the draft. Hell look at our public leaders (minus John Kerry, Mcain, and a few others) they are testement to how easy dodging the draft can be.

1) Connections: If you have political connections then you are probably set and don't need to waste your time reading the rest of this thread. Wealth is also a major asset here; you don't see many son's of millionares in the Military now do you?

2) If you don't have connections then don't fear there is still hope for you yet. There are several medical conditions that can easily get you out of the draft. Flatfeet, bad knees, chronic back problems, and certain types of surgeries just to name a few. Even some weird things such as poor hearing or superficial abnormalities may be enough. Having bad vision, asthma, and other respatory problems is a sure fire way to stay out.

3) Moral conviction: Certain groups are exempt based on their beleif system.

4) Just fake any of the above: If you don't have any of these you can fake them, get a doctor note, or another excues.

5) Just don't show up, this would be the classic dodge or burning of the draft card

6) Make it appear as though you are gay, inept, or disabled. It is well known that the military doesn't want gays...so...get 'aroused' when you are being examined or observed. I know of a guy from school who applied for the military but got 'aroused' when the enlisties were being examined and were in a line in their boxers. Also by appearing inept at simple tasks or unable to perform a requested operation you may very well be let go.

I'm sure there are many more I just figured I would give everyone a friendly heads up.

I know I am probably going to piss a lot of people off with this but tough. A draft (other than to protect American Soil when our regular military isn't enough) is a violation of someones most basic rights and should never be implemented. Heck the National Gaurd should never be fighting on foreign soil either but look at what Bush has gone out of his wa to do.

dude! that was awesome. It may come in handy soon. :) (Phone rings int the background. What? They drafted me?!?!? Ahh! :eek: someone running, then baam he hits a wall :headbang: )

When I was a child, a young impressionable teenager, my friend’s father told me the story of how he got out of the draft.

He took a shower, scrubbed himself clean, cleaned himself again, then scrubbed once more.

Then he spread peanut butter in between his ass cheeks.

He went to the draft board, and when the doctor told him to bend over and spread his cheeks he heard, "What the hell is that?!?"

My friend’s father then ran his finger up his but, liked his finger, and smiled at the doctor.

"Sir, I think it's shit"

They threw him out of the office.

Everyone quickly! write an angry letter to your senator or house rep to vote against draft! Democrat, Republican or Nader-ite, Do it! Trust me, if you think people hate bush now, if he starts a draft i wouldnt be suprised if Anti gov american terrorist orginizations will spring up. Even though i don't like Bush that is the last i think we need. Also i dont want to die in a war i dont think is right, or even if you think its right leave it to the professional soldiers to win it............Professional soilders thats bring up an interesting idea; Coperate Mercenary soilders :eek:

When I was a child, a young impressionable teenager, my friend’s father told me the story of how he got out of the draft.

He took a shower, scrubbed himself clean, cleaned himself again, then scrubbed once more.

Then he spread peanut butter in between his ass cheeks.

He went to the draft board, and when the doctor told him to bend over and spread his cheeks he heard, "What the hell is that?!?"

My friend’s father then ran his finger up his but, liked his finger, and smiled at the doctor.

"Sir, I think it's shit"

They threw him out of the office.

that is stupid

Firstly, the President doesn't start a draft. Congress does. Secondly, there will be NO draft. Quit worrying about it.

There Won't Be A Draft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coperate Mercenary soilders :eek:

I am a Solder....

:confused:

Roll up a towl and wedge it between the base of the door and the floor.
Wearing slippers and a robe over your clothes helps too.

I am a Solder....

:confused:
I ama soldering Iron.

C'mere.

There was a bill introduced in January of 2003 to reinstate the draft. Said bill ruled out college and Canada as an option (we signed some border agreement with them). I don't know if it's still on the floor but (I wrote my congressman about this) no action had been taken since February that same year.

Roll up a towl and wedge it between the base of the door and the floor.
Wearing slippers and a robe over your clothes helps too.
what are you talking about?

There was a bill introduced in January of 2003 to reinstate the draft. Said bill ruled out college and Canada as an option (we signed some border agreement with them). I don't know if it's still on the floor but (I wrote my congressman about this) no action had been taken since February that same year.

Voted down 400+ voting against the Draft while 2 voted for it

The Bill's sponser even voted against his own bill

Roll up a towl and wedge it between the base of the door and the floor.
Wearing slippers and a robe over your clothes helps too.

Hahahah. That took me a minute. But that was good. Lol.

Privatly owned Military Organizations.... i can see it now. Fighting for the highest bidder; who better than the US to hire them. Also, the actions of mercenary soldiers could not be directly blamed on the government. I bet there rae plenty of Cowboy Billionaires eager for some "glory" too. If the gov can get past the heat from highering them.

Voted down 400+ voting against the Draft while 2 voted for it

The Bill's sponser even voted against his own bill
That was Rangle looking for a hit job during the campaign.

Interestingly, that bill was proposed by a Democrat...

That was Rangle looking for a hit job during the campaign.

So true and it got smack down very very very hard!!!!

What about an allergy to penecilin/amoxicilin/any -cilin? will that get me out?

WHAT DRAFT?

Interestingly, that bill was proposed by a Democrat...

'Nuff Said.

should there be a draft and you want to dodge the draft go to hell you whiny little @($*ers. do you have any idea how much the members of the armed services, past and present, have sacrificed to protect this country(millions of gallons of blood perhaps) and you want to just sit back and let the minority or "someone else" protect your country for you because you are a lazy son of a %^&#!

should there be a draft and you want to dodge the draft go to hell you whiny little @($*ers. do you have any idea how much the members of the armed services, past and present, have sacrificed to protect this country(millions of gallons of blood perhaps) and you want to just sit back and let the minority or "someone else" protect your country for you because you are a lazy son of a %^&#!
thats exactly it. sorry, i just dont want to die. if someone else does. great. if they reinstate the draft... ill be going to canada and taking several people with me.

tell them you sleep walk my dad has plaenty of friends who did it but there isn't gonna be a draft so don't worry and nobody wants one so it'll all be ok

should there be a draft and you want to dodge the draft go to hell you whiny little @($*ers. do you have any idea how much the members of the armed services, past and present, have sacrificed to protect this country(millions of gallons of blood perhaps) and you want to just sit back and let the minority or "someone else" protect your country for you because you are a lazy son of a %^&#!
Oh so you protect your country by oppressing others? Hmm I read the US military is Bush's imaginary penis since he's an emotional retard. How does it feel being used for someone's sexual enjoyment? Do you feel like being beheaded, shot, executed in some other form, burned, ripped apart by bombs, etc. yet? Obviously you have no idea how cruel war is and this glorification of a military that nods in agreement while being abused for illegal activity, is disgusting.

Oh so you protect your country by oppressing others? Hmm I read the US military is Bush's imaginary penis since he's an emotional retard. How does it feel being used for someone's sexual enjoyment? Do you feel like being beheaded, shot, executed in some other form, burned, ripped apart by bombs, etc. yet? Obviously you have no idea how cruel war is and this glorification of a military that nods in agreement while being abused for illegal activity, is disgusting.

Listen up dude!

My dad is in the US Military! He has proudly served the US for over THIRTY YEARS!!!!!!! That is under Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush!

I find what you said here very very offensive to those that serve in the US military.

Oh so you protect your country by oppressing others? Hmm I read the US military is Bush's imaginary penis since he's an emotional retard. How does it feel being used for someone's sexual enjoyment? Do you feel like being beheaded, shot, executed in some other form, burned, ripped apart by bombs, etc. yet? Obviously you have no idea how cruel war is and this glorification of a military that nods in agreement while being abused for illegal activity, is disgusting.
Grow up.

awe boo hoo hoo.

If they reinstate a draft (anything can happen - I mean, Bush just got elected), I'm moving to New Zealand. I have family that lives there, and I can just help them run their organic farm.

Just to be on the safe side, though...I'm working on my Conscientious Objector file.

Hell no, we still won't go!

To the mercenary troops idea. We could get a bigger, all volunteer, army even today with people knowing what they would probably end up facing in Iraq or Afghanistan, or wherever else they get sent. One catch. They'd have to be payed more than they are now. Same catch with corprate troops. If bush wanted to cut the combat pay of the troops in Iraq, he's hardly going to shell out extra cash to expand the army.
A draft doesn't just get lots of new warm bodies into the army. It gets them cheap.

There Will Not Be A Draft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh so you protect your country by oppressing others? Hmm I read the US military is Bush's imaginary penis since he's an emotional retard. How does it feel being used for someone's sexual enjoyment? Do you feel like being beheaded, shot, executed in some other form, burned, ripped apart by bombs, etc. yet? Obviously you have no idea how cruel war is and this glorification of a military that nods in agreement while being abused for illegal activity, is disgusting.

i'm not the President nor do i want to be. your sources must be crazy. i know damn well that anything could happen to me but there is nothing worst than being a coward, like you probably. i also am well aware of the tradegies of war. my uncle saw his best friend be torn to pieces by a 50 caliber machine gun in vietnam. Pres. Eisenhower made a lot of statements concerning WWII you should READ some of them they happen to be true. also suggested:movies like Harts War, The Last Castle, and Saving Private Ryan. books like Band of Brothers. think really hard about the sacrifices they made

I'm surprised you didn't mention the one techinigue that has proven effective even in case of national invasion, join the military. Let's face it, in any likely conflict the US navy isn't in much danger and airmen (the dozens of techs needed to keep planes flying) in the Air Force are notorious for having air-conditioning even in field barracks which are safely away from danger. Join now and avoid being drafted.

Of course, there will be a draft. Hell, there already is one. If you don't think the "backdoor" draft counts, ask a few backdoor draftees what they think. The next step appears to be a draft of medical professionals up to age 45. The military doesn't have enough doctors and nurses, so they're going to start taking them. And doing so doesn't require congress to pass a bill. The Health Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS) was signed into law in 1987. I think congress still has pass a resolution though, but that's a simpler quicker procedure than passing a bill into law.

I said before that we would see a draft no matter who was elected this year, and I stand by that.

Wow - someone hears the word "draft" and everyone FREAKS OUT - even after it was posted that the bill was voted down almost unanimously. Everybody stop and take a deep breath! lol

By no means do I support it, but I do realize that the bill proposed didn't mean you were being drafted specifically to go to war (like in the past)... It was proposing mandatory military service, even during peacetime, for everyone eligible. There are many, many things our military does besides fight wars with guns. But I realize that is the worst-case-scenario, so that is what people focus on the most...

Oh, and about going to Canada? Good luck - they have that worked out with them already. This is a long quote (sorry) from a friend-of-a-friend who just went through the process of becoming a Canadian citizen (not during a draft situation): "But believe me, there is no "just moving to Canada" if you don't have strong ties there. No, really. Canadian immigration is a slow, difficult, expensive process. Think you're going to work here? You need at least 4 full years of work experience in a specific field, a degree, language skills, and oh yeah, twelve thousand dollars or so. ($2000 in fees, $10,000 is what you need to immigrate). And prepare to wait at least a year, and probably longer. Marrying a Canadian for convenience? Nope, Immigration Canada sees right through that. You have to provide tons of evidence proving the validity of your relationship beyond the shadow of a doubt, and being caught in a lie is serious. Even if your marriage is real and valid, expect a long wait and big expense. You try to sneak in illegally, you will be caught and arrested. And don't forget, if you have a criminal record or a chronic illness, it's very unlikely that you'll ever be able to immigrate. Pardon my grumpiness, but I just spent the last year of my life preparing and waiting for my permanent residency papers to come in so I could be with my Canadian husband."

Of course, there will be a draft. Hell, there already is one. If you don't think the "backdoor" draft counts, ask a few backdoor draftees what they think. The next step appears to be a draft of medical professionals up to age 45. The military doesn't have enough doctors and nurses, so they're going to start taking them. And doing so doesn't require congress to pass a bill. The Health Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS) was signed into law in 1987. I think congress still has pass a resolution though, but that's a simpler quicker procedure than passing a bill into law.

I said before that we would see a draft no matter who was elected this year, and I stand by that.

What the hell is this backdoor draft crap? There is no Backdoor draft

should there be a draft and you want to dodge the draft go to hell you whiny little @($*ers. do you have any idea how much the members of the armed services, past and present, have sacrificed to protect this country(millions of gallons of blood perhaps) and you want to just sit back and let the minority or "someone else" protect your country for you because you are a lazy son of a %^&#!

Nobody thinks a draft will be necessary to protect the country, only to "win" in Iraq. If you think those two things have anything to do with each other, I suspect you're delusional.

Nobody thinks a draft will be necessary to protect the country, only to "win" in Iraq. If you think those two things have anything to do with each other, I suspect you're delusional.
Come to think of it, when has the US military fought to directly defend American soil? Last I can think of would be Pearl Harbour, before that..... nope.

Nobody thinks a draft will be necessary to protect the country, only to "win" in Iraq. If you think those two things have anything to do with each other, I suspect you're delusional.

never said i did

Come to think of it, when has the US military fought to directly defend American soil? Last I can think of would be Pearl Harbour, before that..... nope.

What's your point?

What the hell is this backdoor draft crap? There is no Backdoor draftI think this is a reference to activation of reserves, particularily the inactive reserves. When one initially enlists in the US military one enlists for an eight year term, but only a portion of that is spent on active duty, and for the remainder, if one doesn't reenlist, one is pretty much not in the military. Apparently military recruiters have become very lax in explaining this to some enlistees although my recruiter explained it clearly to me those many years ago.

What the hell is this backdoor draft crap? There is no Backdoor draft

backdoor draft is a term in reference to retaining Soldiers near or past thier ETS (estemitated termination of service) date.

Ironically enough, people sign the contract to enlist forgetting about the cute little part that says you may be called back up. Oh, and IRR Soldiers? Wahh.
The minimun length of an enlistment is 8 years. I signed up for 4, meaning I do 4 years of active duty and 4 years in the Inactive Ready Reserve. I don't do drills, but I can still be called back to active duty.

For a country based on FREEDOM, too many of my fellow Americans are such cowards that they are afraid to fight for those freedoms. You don't want to fight for your country, you don't have to. But if you actively get out of doing anyting FOR your country, you shouldn't vote or speak up about it either.

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The 1st Amendment: Freedom to publicly state ignorance?

Of course, there will be a draft. Hell, there already is one. If you don't think the "backdoor" draft counts, ask a few backdoor draftees what they think. The next step appears to be a draft of medical professionals up to age 45. The military doesn't have enough doctors and nurses, so they're going to start taking them. And doing so doesn't require congress to pass a bill. The Health Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS) was signed into law in 1987. I think congress still has pass a resolution though, but that's a simpler quicker procedure than passing a bill into law.

I said before that we would see a draft no matter who was elected this year, and I stand by that.
so true.

HAy i know a way to make people join the army! It is called sugar coating by Repub.s and lying by democrats. Dont think the hipocrate bush hasnt used that yet, and no, contarary to Green Day's belief, americans r not that big of idiots and didnt fall for it. Of course he could always pay them more, but hay bush already made a defeict to large to dig out of using sweet talk. And of course there is going to be a draft, at the rate he is sending soliders and with the amount signing up, its gonna have to happen. (Im sorry if any of is military for the following coments) People may have signed up for the military, and have been trained in combat, but they r being sent over to be sitting ducks, weither driving and being shot at or being blown up by a bomb. Now im sure some of you know what that is like but others dont, and let me tell u it sucks and there is no, i repeat IS NO honor dying in this manner(dieing doing civilian jobs they didnt sign up for)

ok now im done

never said i did

Your exact words were:


and you want to just sit back and let the minority or "someone else" protect your country for you because you are a lazy son of a %^&#!

So if this draft we're speculating about is about Iraq, and the Iraq war is not about defending the country, what the hell were you talking about?

backdoor draft is a term in reference to retaining Soldiers near of past thier ETS (estemitated termination of service) date.

Ironically enough, people sign the contract to enlist forgetting about the cute little part that says you may be called back up. Oh, and IRR Soldiers? Wahh.
The minimun length of an enlistment is 8 years. I signed up for 4, meaning I do 4 years of active duty and 4 years in the Inactive Ready Reserve. I don't do drills, but I can still be called back to active duty.

For a country based on FREEDOM, too many of my fellow Americans are such cowards that they are afraid to fight for those freedoms. You don't want to fight for your country, you don't have to. But if you actively get out of doing anyting FOR your country, you shouldn't vote or speak up about it either.

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The 1st Amendment: Freedom to publicly state ignorance?

HAHAHAHA!!! Ok! Here's a tidbit! My mother enlisted in the Air Force and served six years, the minimum required. When the 1st Gulf War broke out, they tried to get her back and she said no and they let it drop! If you serve the required time, you don't have to go back in! I guess you didn't know that either.

Now if you don't serve the minimum time and you are called up then you have no choice but to go because you didn't serve your full time!

Now let us look at ETS! It is perfectly legal for this to occur. They did it during Nam, they did it during the First Gulf War and even for Bosnia! All of it is perfectly legal under the law.

Don't get me started on this because I can get direct information on this from my parents and other family members that have served in the US Military.

What's your point?
Naval Snipers was talking about millions of gallons of blood spilt by US troops to protect their country over the years. Was wondering when exactly that was, recently or over half a century ago?

6) Make it appear as though you are gay, inept, or disabled. It is well known that the military doesn't want gays...so...get 'aroused' when you are being examined or observed. I know of a guy from school who applied for the military but got 'aroused' when the enlisties were being examined and were in a line in their boxers. Also by appearing inept at simple tasks or unable to perform a requested operation you may very well be let go.

That used to work. Not anymore though. At least not in Australia (since they allow gays :mad: ). The whole gay thing won't get you out of the draft necessarily. Even in America. You might have to proove it.

Still, being rich helps. Times have sure changed though because Vietnam and various operations during the Cold War saw many wealthy and even famous people serve.

But a draft is highly unlikely today. This is because western armies need skilled and intelligent people serving in the front lines. The last thing we need are for uneducated conscripts getting shot by the thousands (as they did in Vietnam).

so true.

HAy i know a way to make people join the army! It is called sugar coating by Repub.s and lying by democrats. Dont think the hipocrate bush hasnt used that yet, and no, contarary to Green Day's belief, americans r not that big of idiots and didnt fall for it. Of course he could always pay them more, but hay bush already made a defeict to large to dig out of using sweet talk. And of course there is going to be a draft, at the rate he is sending soliders and with the amount signing up, its gonna have to happen. (Im sorry if any of is military for the following coments) People may have signed up for the military, and have been trained in combat, but they r being sent over to be sitting ducks, weither driving and being shot at or being blown up by a bomb. Now im sure some of you know what that is like but others dont, and let me tell u it sucks and there is no, i repeat IS NO honor dying in this manner(dieing doing civilian jobs they didnt sign up for)

ok now im done

Ironically, that is not true. Yes we are short on personnel, but thanks to technological and training advantages, we do need need a large force. The days of mass en mass combat died with World War II. We are a squad based military now. Besides, would you rather die fighting for a country (even if it is a different one than your own) or getting shot in your hometown. Ill take the honorable death (yes, dying in Iraq is just that; at least we know why we are there (guess what, its NOT for President Bush! :eek: ) )

I personally don't think there will be a draft I was just posting this as a guideline for anyone who would be affected by one. If there is a draft I think (hope) there would be a huge uprising of the young populace to stop it.

And as far as being a coward, draft dogers arn't cowards, take Veitnam for instance, they wern't defending their country they were massequering Vietnamese for the 'national interest' of a few. The draft then was blatently illegal as was the 'war' and the same here. I don't see why people who don't support the war should be killed off in it via a draft, I might even call that a method of political clensing.

And you people talk as if serving on the front lines is the only bad thing about the military, I respect the people that serve, but there are elements in the military that are very shadowy (not entirely because of this administration but certainly aided by it) and draftees in the past have been shipped right into them.

HAHAHAHA!!! Ok! Here's a tidbit! My mother enlisted in the Air Force and served six years, the minimum required. When the 1st Gulf War broke out, they tried to get her back and she said no and they let it drop! If you serve the required time, you don't have to go back in! I guess you didn't know that either.

Now if you don't serve the minimum time and you are called up then you have no choice but to go because you didn't serve your full time!

Now let us look at ETS! It is perfectly legal for this to occur. They did it during Nam, they did it during the First Gulf War and even for Bosnia! All of it is perfectly legal under the law.

Don't get me started on this because I can get direct information on this from my parents and other family members that have served in the US Military.

I am in the military right now. Look at the fine print, and the USC. Though it is not pushed, if declared a state of national emergency, you CAN be pulled in after your ETS. Our (the Army) Cheif of Staff was pulled back after RETIREMENT. Additionaly, as of right now, the mimimum enlistment is 8 years. Again, reread the regulations and policies directly, don't go through people who have been told 100 different things.

Ironically, that is not true. Yes we are short on personnel, but thanks to technological and training advantages, we do need need a large force. The days of mass en mass combat died with World War II. We are a squad based military now. Besides, would you rather die fighting for a country (even if it is a different one than your own) or getting shot in your hometown. Ill take the honorable death (yes, dying in Iraq is just that; at least we know why we are there (guess what, its NOT for President Bush! :eek: ) )
o jeez that hurt so much. (sarcasm) yes but u cant have no one there and jus machines, it jus doesnt work that way. Honnorable doesnt have anything to do with what u think it does inn first place to start making that judgement call. I believe the thing for that is called a supreme being not a mortal military idiot.

I am in the military right now. Look at the fine point, and the USC. Though it is not pushed, if declared a state of national emergency, you CAN be pulled in after your ETS. Our (the Army) Cheif of Staff was pulled back after RETIREMENT.

Damaica, I'm not arguing with you because I do know this! Also known as a Stop Loss Measure meaning no one gets out till the deployment is over.

My Dad is still in the military and knows this very well

Damaica, I'm not arguing with you because I do know this! Also known as a Stop Loss Measure meaning no one gets out till the deployment is over.

My Dad is still in the military and knows this very well

term = Stop Loss Movement. I got hit with said Stop Loss. I know what I am talking about.

I am not trying to argue with anyone here, I am just trying to clarify since it IS my job in the Army to know these things....

If I were drafted, I would go simply because I really couldn't live with myself knowing that the kid that went in my place could have died. I couldn't wussy out on such a massive level.

So if this draft we're speculating about is about Iraq, and the Iraq war is not about defending the country, what the hell were you talking about?


terrorism

Promotion of illegal activities in the forums? :mp5:

You're saying invading Iraq protects the US from global terrorism? Are there still people who believe that? :headbang:

Promotion of illegal activities in the forums? :mp5:
ic someone here is a pain in the ass

Promotion of illegal activities in the forums? :mp5:

Your a new member (I know my account says I am too, but I let the last one lapse and had to create a new one), so I'll give you some advice: As long as it's anti-American, it's OK in these forums.

I think now that Bush has won (in spite of me voting against the Shurb), I will leave the country. I don't want to be drafted. I suppose I could fake a mental illness or use my flat feet as a reason not to be drafted...but that may not work.

I think now that Bush has won (in spite of me voting against the Shurb), I will leave the country. I don't want to be drafted. I suppose I could fake a mental illness or use my flat feet as a reason not to be drafted...but that may not work.

Good riddance.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

You're saying invading Iraq protects the US from global terrorism? Are there still people who believe that? :headbang:
probably not

You're saying invading Iraq protects the US from global terrorism? Are there still people who believe that? :headbang:

I hope not. We're not safer at all with Sadaam out. But the Kurds are. I mean, he did gass 1.5M of them while the UN watched with binoculars. o.O

You're saying invading Iraq protects the US from global terrorism? Are there still people who believe that? :headbang:

again please stop adding your own thoughts into what im trying to say unless you are in the media. i didnt want to go to war with iraq, iraq was no threat to us. terrorism ELSEWHERE is.

If you try to dodge the draft your not even worth living. How can you be a partiot if you wont fight for freedoms. You dont deserve to live here in America.

backdoor draft is a term in reference to retaining Soldiers near or past thier ETS (estemitated termination of service) date.

Ironically enough, people sign the contract to enlist forgetting about the cute little part that says you may be called back up. Oh, and IRR Soldiers? Wahh.
The minimun length of an enlistment is 8 years. I signed up for 4, meaning I do 4 years of active duty and 4 years in the Inactive Ready Reserve. I don't do drills, but I can still be called back to active duty.

The backdoor draft or stop-loss is not limited those with time left on their 8 year enlistement. My wife was held in IRR for an extra 1.5 years. When she wasn't released at the 8 year point, she called to ask what was going on. That's when they told her she was being retained indefinately. She said she was pregnant and that I was also IRR, they basically said, "tough shit". Then, at the 9.5 year mark she got orders releasing her. My 8 years ended in September, I haven't gotten release orders yet, but that's probably because the Army doesn't know where I live. I strongly recomend to everyone against joining the military. The 8-year minimum commitment is reason enough.


For a country based on FREEDOM, too many of my fellow Americans are such cowards that they are afraid to fight for those freedoms. You don't want to fight for your country, you don't have to. But if you actively get out of doing anyting FOR your country, you shouldn't vote or speak up about it either.


You speak about freedom like you know what it is. The freedom of speech is a right. It is not a priviliage bestowed upon those who serve the state. It's a right that belongs to even the most detestable human beings. And before you go off to enthusiastically "fight for freedom", maybe you should look into who the real enemies of freedom are.


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The 1st Amendment: Freedom to publicly state ignorance?
In case you haven't noticed, I was served in the US Army for 4 years. I don't see things quite the same way today as I did while I was in. When I read stuff like this, it's like you're trying to say I've become more ignorant over time, not less. Certainly there's a lot of ignorance in the world, but you should think a little before you automatically accuse those who disagree with you of having it.

Fuck all of you stupid hippies who dodged the draft! Seriousley if you dodge the draft your a fucking pussy. I don't care where you are going and what you are doing if your country needs you for the draft, YOU GO! You should leave when your old enough to leave if you don't plan to go to the draft if needed so.

Good riddance.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
ic someone obivisouly wants everyone to be drafted

Good riddance.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.


How about good riddance to Bush? You know he's going to destory America don't you? I can't believe people actually voted for that idiot. I'm proud that I voted against him.

But a draft is highly unlikely today. This is because western armies need skilled and intelligent people serving in the front lines. The last thing we need are for uneducated conscripts getting shot by the thousands (as they did in Vietnam).

It doesn't matter what the military "needs", what matters is what's available. Sure, the authorites prefer volunteers, but beggars can't be choosers. And, don't speak too poorly of the unwilling soldiers who died serving the US. They were not all worthless.

The backdoor draft or stop-loss is not limited those with time left on their 8 year enlistement. My wife was held in IRR for an extra 1.5 years. When she wasn't released at the 8 year point, she called to ask what was going on. That's when they told her she was being retained indefinately. She said she was pregnant and that I was also IRR, they basically said, "tough shit". Then, at the 9.5 year mark she got orders releasing her. My 8 years ended in September, I haven't gotten release orders yet, but that's probably because the Army doesn't know where I live. I strongly recomend to everyone against joining the military. The 8-year minimum commitment is reason enough.



You speak about freedom like you know what it is. The freedom of speech is a right. It is not a priviliage bestowed upon those who serve the state. It's a right that belongs to even the most detestable human beings. And before you go off to enthusiastically "fight for freedom", maybe you should look into who the real enemies of freedom are.


In case you haven't noticed, I was served in the US Army for 4 years. I don't see things quite the same way today as I did while I was in. When I read stuff like this, it's like you're trying to say I've become more ignorant over time, not less. Certainly there's a lot of ignorance in the world, but you should think a little before you automatically accuse those who disagree with you of having it.

I don't deny it. I do have some ignorant personal beliefs that I don't allow others to change. In defense of my quote though, that's just for kicks. Though I do state my opinions, I try to base my comments on the logic leading people to their own, rather than attack the person FOR their opinions. Sorry to hear about your wife. I was supposed to go to Iraq, but Korea had a Stop Loss of its own so I'm waiting over here before I go there. 2yrs without leave in Korea just to go to Iraq!
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I love the F***ing Army, and the army loves F***ing me!

If you try to dodge the draft your not even worth living. How can you be a partiot if you wont fight for freedoms. You dont deserve to live here in America.


The war that Bushie Baby would be drafting American's for wouldn't be to protect OUR freedoms it would be for his own selfish purposes. I'd fight for my freedoms but I will not fight for some power-hungry politican.

Good riddance.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

I would leave if I had the means but I think I will stay to be a pain in the ass for all you thick headed Conservatives.

I don't deny it. I do have some ignorant personal beliefs that I don't allow others to change. In defense of my quote though, that's just for kicks. Though I do state my opinions, I try to base my comments on the logic leading people to their own, rather than attack the person FOR their opinions. Sorry to hear about your wife. I was supposed to go to Iraq, but Korea had a Stop Loss of its own so I'm waiting over here before I go there. 2yrs without leave in Korea just to go to Iraq!
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I love the F***ing Army, and the army loves F***ing me!

Should've joined the Air Force! They take better care of their people :D

again please stop adding your own thoughts into what im trying to say unless you are in the media. i didnt want to go to war with iraq, iraq was no threat to us. terrorism ELSEWHERE is.
My mistake, I may have mis-interpretted your views. So you're saying that you think the US military should be there to protect civilians from terrorist threats, is that right? If it is, do you believe that US actions in Iraq have helped towards that aim, detracted from it, or had no effect?

How about good riddance to Bush? You know he's going to destory America don't you? I can't believe people actually voted for that idiot. I'm proud that I voted against him.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought. All you doomsaying pussies keep "threatening" to leave the country, but you never make good on your "threat." You aren't going anywhere, and you know it.

If you say you're going to leave, then LEAVE. Otherwise, STFU.

Fuck all of you stupid hippies who dodged the draft! Seriousley if you dodge the draft your a fucking pussy. I don't care where you are going and what you are doing if your country needs you for the draft, YOU GO! You should leave when your old enough to leave if you don't plan to go to the draft if needed so.
i would laugh if bush blew up the world before the draft occurs and any of u right wing neo goyem have a chance to serve or keep ur word

I would leave if I had the means but I think I will stay to be a pain in the ass for all you thick headed Conservatives.

Lousy excuse, dude. You know perfectly well that you never intended to leave, because you have it better here than you would anywhere else. It's just an empty "threat." Put your money where your mouth is.

Lousy excuse, dude. You know perfectly well that you never intended to leave, because you have it better here than you would anywhere else. It's just an empty "threat." Put your money where your mouth is.
i will israel is us as good, along with australia

Lousy excuse, dude. You know perfectly well that you never intended to leave, because you have it better here than you would anywhere else. It's just an empty "threat." Put your money where your mouth is.

He can't. None of the other countries are letting him in.

The war that Bushie Baby would be drafting American's for wouldn't be to protect OUR freedoms it would be for his own selfish purposes. I'd fight for my freedoms but I will not fight for some power-hungry politican.

That pretty much sums up my sentement.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought. All you doomsaying pussies keep "threatening" to leave the country, but you never make good on your "threat." You aren't going anywhere, and you know it.

If you say you're going to leave, then LEAVE. Otherwise, STFU.

I will not STFU. I do full well intend to leave the country that's why I am getting my passport and visa ready. I'll be leaving in Jan. So it's you that ought to STFU because you don't know me and you only assume (and incorrectly) that I am bluffing.

That pretty much sums up my sentement.

I agree too. Fight for freedoms, not for greed. Other than a warm and fuzzy feeling for liberating Iraq, am I supposed to get anything else?

I will not STFU. I do full well intend to leave the country that's why I am getting my passport and visa ready. I'll be leaving in Jan. So it's you that ought to STFU because you don't know me and you only assume (and incorrectly) that I am bluffing.

Come to Korea! Here you need the Government's permission to protest!

I will not STFU. I do full well intend to leave the country that's why I am getting my passport and visa ready. I'll be leaving in Jan. So it's you that ought to STFU because you don't know me and you only assume (and incorrectly) that I am bluffing.
im already in israel, actually have been on deployment. And u know what i think u made an awesome point.

Lousy excuse, dude. You know perfectly well that you never intended to leave, because you have it better here than you would anywhere else. It's just an empty "threat." Put your money where your mouth is.


No actually Europe is very promising in phyiscs and other sciences. Especially Switzerland, which would be a first choice. And I can't leave even if I wanted because I'm only 17. And now I know you will say something to the effect that I am only in High School and can't be sure I'll be any good at what I do or I'm not good enough for Physics but guess what I know I am and will applying to top notch schools that I will probably be accepted to the only problem in money so I'm saving up for grad shcool.

No actually Europe is very promising in phyiscs and other sciences. Especially Switzerland, which would be a first choice. And I can't leave even if I wanted because I'm only 17. And now I know you will say something to the effect that I am only in High School and can't be sure I'll be any good at what I do or I'm not good enough for Physics but guess what I know I am and will applying to top notch schools that I will probably be accepted to the only problem in money so I'm saving up for grad shcool.

Congrats.

Number of people I hear actually state they are getting education: 1.

Come to Korea! Here you need the Government's permission to protest!


Nah, I was thinking of another country. :)

I don't deny it. I do have some ignorant personal beliefs that I don't allow others to change. In defense of my quote though, that's just for kicks. Though I do state my opinions, I try to base my comments on the logic leading people to their own, rather than attack the person FOR their opinions. Sorry to hear about your wife. I was supposed to go to Iraq, but Korea had a Stop Loss of its own so I'm waiting over here before I go there. 2yrs without leave in Korea just to go to Iraq!


Well, being extended in IRR doesn't really matter when you never get deployed, so it worked out fine. Sorry to hear about Korea, and hope you get to spend some time at home before you go to Iraq. I was sent to Korea for 16 days for UFL '99. It was neat, but I was glad not be stationed there. Why are they stop-lossing you? I thought we were reducing our presence over there. Anyway, make sure you bring home some soju.


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I love the F***ing Army, and the army loves F***ing me!

I love that one. I also like the stretches: First, you show how much you love the Army - stretch your arms out wide and back. Then, you show how the Army loves you - touch your toes. If you want to know what's going on in a soldier's career, just ask what they're using on him, whether there's any lube, and if he's getting a reach-around. :D

im already in israel, actually have been on deployment. And u know what i think u made an awesome point.

Thank you.

Nah, I was thinking of another country. :)ik korea is a little out there

Thank you.
u r very welcome. :)

Well, being extended in IRR doesn't really matter when you never get deployed, so it worked out fine. Sorry to hear about Korea, and hope you get to spend some time at home before you go to Iraq. I was sent to Korea for 16 days for UFL '99. It was neat, but I was glad not be stationed there. Why are they stop-lossing you? I thought we were reducing our presence over there. Anyway, make sure you bring home some soju.

I'm not with 2ID (Second Infantry Division for you non-Army folk). 2ID is leaving for Washinton State.
UFL is ok, and Korea really isn't that bad. I got Stop Lossed because of my MOS numbers dropped to critical (which always happens here.)
And I do want to go to Iraq, so it is just a pain in the ass for them to just DEROS me (that means send me back to a Continental United States assignment, again, for non-Army). Soju is awesome. *remembers a not-so-fun monday morning. Memories... bitter-sweet... memories! ^^


I love that one. I also like the stretches: First, you show how much you love the Army - stretch your arms out wide and back. Then, you show how the Army loves you - touch your toes. If you want to know what's going on in a soldier's career, just ask what they're using on him, whether there's any lube, and if he's getting a reach-around. :D

Yeah, I love those sayings. I got mad when that Solder told NBC (the TV channel) that he felt like the Army's NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) safety program was lame. He said that NBC stood for No Body Cares....
*shrug* Some people don't like the job, I guess.

I will not STFU. I do full well intend to leave the country that's why I am getting my passport and visa ready. I'll be leaving in Jan. So it's you that ought to STFU because you don't know me and you only assume (and incorrectly) that I am bluffing.

Yeah, that's what Alec Baldwin said four years ago. And he's still here too.

No actually Europe is very promising in phyiscs and other sciences. Especially Switzerland, which would be a first choice. And I can't leave even if I wanted because I'm only 17. And now I know you will say something to the effect that I am only in High School and can't be sure I'll be any good at what I do or I'm not good enough for Physics but guess what I know I am and will applying to top notch schools that I will probably be accepted to the only problem in money so I'm saving up for grad shcool.

I would never tell somebody that they might not be good at something. I would give them kudos for trying, and acclaim for succeeding.

BTW, do you know how many Americans have won Nobel Prizes in physics? And how many weren't born here but now live and work here? It's odd, because everyone here keeps telling me how stupid Americans are.
http://www.almaz.com/nobel/
Click on the physics icon.

Hell no, I'm not going.

First of all, bin Laden could have been killed in Afghanistan, but Bush messed that one up.

Also, Iraq was no real threat; the 9/11 investigation already told us that...so Why are we over there, trying to force people to adhere to a certain form of government?

Yes, I agree that it's nice that Saddam is gone, but I totally disagree with the methods, especially how the US is doing all the real work, and taking all the heavy casualties...why would I want to go over there, just to die in some hole in the sand, fighting to give people "freedom" that they don't even want or appreciate...the near east has been dominated by dictators for all its history for a reason....

Why should I have to put my life and plans into jeapordy over this? this is what we have world allies for, whether bush knows it or not.

I would have no problem fighting to protect this country....but invading Iraq for the "war on terror" (which in unwinnable when you're enemy is not even a soverign state) is a load of crap...where's it gonna stop? Iran? North Korea? The Phillipines?

No thanks, I perfer to not throw my life away, thank you very much.

Wow.. Ignorant people abound...

I am a coward and proud! I refuse to serve a country of hypocricy in a christian crusade. I will proudly respond to any attempt to draft me with a resounding no. Call me a coward as much as you like, I am proud of my cowardice. If someone goes and dies in my place, so-be-it clearly they cared more about their country then I do. I'd rather have someone else die then me. Deal.

Luckily for me I dont HAVE to worry about a draft. I DO have really bad eyesight, an allergy to sulfa medication, and I have flat feet.

Yeah, that's what Alec Baldwin said four years ago. And he's still here too.
No he didn't. Oh wait, he was takien out of context. Um, well he didn't really mean it.


One of the worst spin jobs I've ever seen, should have gone patriotic, "my love for my country forces me to stay and try to undo the damage despite the disgust I feel". This is a **hint**clue** for anyone who has backed themself into the "I'm leaving" trap.

When I was a child, a young impressionable teenager, my friend’s father told me the story of how he got out of the draft.

He took a shower, scrubbed himself clean, cleaned himself again, then scrubbed once more.

Then he spread peanut butter in between his ass cheeks.

He went to the draft board, and when the doctor told him to bend over and spread his cheeks he heard, "What the hell is that?!?"

My friend’s father then ran his finger up his but, liked his finger, and smiled at the doctor.

"Sir, I think it's shit"

They threw him out of the office.


I just want to know if it was chunky peanut butter.

"Sir, I think it's shit."
"Mmmmm... peanuts."

Wow.. Ignorant people abound...

I am a coward and proud! I refuse to serve a country of hypocricy in a christian crusade. I will proudly respond to any attempt to draft me with a resounding no. Call me a coward as much as you like, I am proud of my cowardice. If someone goes and dies in my place, so-be-it clearly they cared more about their country then I do. I'd rather have someone else die then me. Deal.

Luckily for me I dont HAVE to worry about a draft. I DO have really bad eyesight, an allergy to sulfa medication, and I have flat feet.

If you think America is so terrible, then why are you still here?

Yeah, that's what Alec Baldwin said four years ago. And he's still here too.


Yeah but unlike Alec Baldwin I have nothing to loose by leaving. I am not a movie star, I don't have contracts to fullfill. I have nothing to tie me down here. And I don't plan on being gone forever.

No he didn't. Oh wait, he was takien out of context. Um, well he didn't really mean it.


One of the worst spin jobs I've ever seen, should have gone patriotic, "my love for my country forces me to stay and try to undo the damage despite the disgust I feel". This is a **hint**clue** for anyone who has backed themself into the "I'm leaving" trap.

<applause>

Someone finally sees what I'm saying.

If you think America is so terrible, then why are you still here?

I hope to improove it into a state where I COULD be proud of serving.

Yeah but unlike Alec Baldwin I have nothing to loose by leaving. I am not a movie star, I don't have contracts to fullfill. I have nothing to tie me down here. And I don't plan on being gone forever.

Fine, then leave. No one is stopping you. But don't expect us to cry and fret over your departure, and don't think we'll be any worse off because of your absence. In other words, your "threat" is empty; the words of a petulant child.

I would never tell somebody that they might not be good at something. I would give them kudos for trying, and acclaim for succeeding.

BTW, do you know how many Americans have won Nobel Prizes in physics? And how many weren't born here but now live and work here? It's odd, because everyone here keeps telling me how stupid Americans are.
http://www.almaz.com/nobel/
Click on the physics icon.

I thank you.

Unfortuantly Europe, as in many other things, is beginning to outstrip American in the sciences, mostly because of lack of funding here in the states. Take particle accelorators for instance. A massive particle accelorator project was scrapped a few years back, while Europe build the biggest one in the world in Switzerland (at CERN, on of the major forefronts of physics research).

If you think America is so terrible, then why are you still here?


I don't think America is terrible. I still the America is the best country in the world. However I do not like the current leadership at all and I will not go off on some foolish war that Bush starts in the Middle East. And if needs be to avoid getting killed for Bush's selfish reasons I will stay over seas until the threat of him drafting us is over.

I don't think America is terrible. I still the America is the best country in the world. However I do not like the current leadership at all and I will not go off on some foolish war that Bush starts in the Middle East. And if needs be to avoid getting killed for Bush's selfish reasons I will stay over seas until the threat of him drafting us is over.

Fair enough. Just remember you have that right because of those who weren't afraid to serve.

Oh so you protect your country by oppressing others? Hmm I read the US military is Bush's imaginary penis since he's an emotional retard. How does it feel being used for someone's sexual enjoyment? Do you feel like being beheaded, shot, executed in some other form, burned, ripped apart by bombs, etc. yet? Obviously you have no idea how cruel war is and this glorification of a military that nods in agreement while being abused for illegal activity, is disgusting.

My grandparents both served in the military. I'm serving in the milirtary now. You know why i serve because i don't want the people who would do that to me to do it to the people i love. I would much rather have that happen to me then my family and friends. At least my life means something. Tell me what does yours mean?

Fine, then leave. No one is stopping you. But don't expect us to cry and fret over your departure, and don't think we'll be any worse off because of your absence. In other words, your "threat" is empty; the words of a petulant child.


Did I say anyone was stopping me? No, I did not. Did I say that you all should cry and fret over me leaving the USA? No, I did not. You're the one that's acting like a petulant child here. All I am saying is that I will not be drafted into Bush's stupid war because it is not protecting America's freedoms, it's for his own selfish reasons. In fact Bush's Homeland Security has taken away a lot of our rights.

Everyone needs to calm down. This won't come tomorrow. You will know about it. The news media wants mass chaos, so they will hype it. Enough of us will revolt.

Secondly, the draft needs to be redrafted first. Many in the military highups have said this, and there is no military draft policy right now that is ready for today's people and military.

Thirdly, don't they give you basic training before you go to war? It takes time to go through that. The war could end before ya get there.

Fourth, I have heard that most military never see actual combat. Chances are if there is by some reason a draft, that it will not be used in Iraq, but probably Syria, Iran, or North Korea. Iran and North Korea have a lot of area. Most there will probably be playing cards waiting for something to do.

I will also remind you that it's like a 1 in 50 chance you would die. Not too bad of odds for living if ya ask me, plus, you get to say you've been to another country!

I do not support the draft, I fear it, but those things weigh out, eh?

thats exactly it. sorry, i just dont want to die. if someone else does. great. if they reinstate the draft... ill be going to canada and taking several people with me.
Thank God that Canada is finally making you folks wait around a year to get past immigration. ;)

Did I say anyone was stopping me? No, I did not. Did I say that you all should cry and fret over me leaving the USA? No, I did not. You're the one that's acting like a petulant child here. All I am saying is that I will not be drafted into Bush's stupid war because it is not protecting America's freedoms, it's for his own selfish reasons. In fact Bush's Homeland Security has taken away a lot of our rights.

Buh-bye. Have a nice trip. :rolleyes: (If it ever happens.)

Bush's Homeland Security has taken away a lot of our rights.

I hear this nonsense on here all the damned time! WHAT rights do you now NOT have as a result of either Homeland Security or the Patriot Act? Put up or shut up!

Wow. This thing died. Read my reply above if you are afraid of a draft.